GDT: Sweden vs. Latvia, Feb 18th, 17:00 CET, 11:00 AM EST

Current Standings Group B:

Team GP W T L GF:GA PTS
SVK 2 2 0 0 11:6. 4
RUS 3 2 0 1 9.:5. 4
USA 2 1 1 0 7.:4. 3
SWE 2 1 0 1 7.:7. 2
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LAT 2 0 1 1 6.:9. 1
KAZ 3 0 0 3 3:12. 0



Probable Goalie Matchup
Henrik Lundqvist (0-0-1, .844SVS%, 5.00GAA)
vs.
Arturs Irbe (0-1-1, .866SVS%, 4.50GAA)



Probable Lines for Sweden

Modin - M.Sundin - Alfredsson
Sedin - Sedin - Samuelsson
Holmström - Zetterberg - J.Jönsson
Axelsson - Påhlsson - Forsberg

Lidström - Öhlund
Tjärnqvist - Hävelid/R.Sundin
Backman - K.Jönsson

Lundqvist
Tellqvist

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Lundqvist has the worst save% in the Olympics.


:amazed:


Foppa is back, and I dont really care if he dominates or not, I just pray to god that he´ll remain healthy.

I don't want Sweden to do their best in this game offensively, I just want them to score 1 goal more than Latvia. I want to see tight defense, give Lundqvist a break already... tell me one goalie who can have a good saving percentage when all you get is odd man rushes?
I want Sweden to play great defense and score 1 goal more, please god. :help:
Lundqvist needs confidence if we're ever gonna get to the final.

Foppa is back, and I dont really care if he dominates or not, I just pray to god that he´ll remain healthy.

We could've had Nylander "staying healthy"...(or even me) ofcourse you want Forsberg to dominate...thats why he is here. And if he IS healthy then he WILL dominate ;)

I hope Forsberg has a great game and helps Sundin lead Sweden to victory. I'd love to see a powerplay line of Sundin - Forsberg - Alfredsson.

Oh and Sweden's uniforms rock!

Put Sundin and Forsberg togehter;

Forsberg - Sundin - Axelsson
Modin - Zetterberg - Alfredsson
Sedin - Sedin - Samuelsson
Jönsson - Påhlsson - Holmström

Great lines Robertsson, I would make some changes though on the rightwings, want to see Holmström with the Sedins, just to try it out:

Forsberg - Sundin - Alfredsson = Superline

Modin - Zetterberg - Samulesson = Zetterberg gets himself a scorer and a player he has played together with in Detroit

Sedin - Sedin - Holmström = I think Holmström would be great together with the Sedins, drawing attention to him, getting in rebounds.

Jönsson - Påhlsson - Axelsson = Great defensiveline.

What I want to see is disciplined play with no sloppy turnovers (TONS of them against the Russians), good passing, good defense and good PP. If we want to get anywhere in this tournament, we need alot of PP goals. Forsberg will start with Axelsson and Påhlsson to get him going, as a warmup. I consider this a good choice.

In PP, I want Forsberg in the right corner, controlling the PP just like in Philadelphia. Lidström should play very PP nonstop on right blueline, with his stick towards the middle for shots. Alfredsson can use his boomstick on the left blueline, where he has had great success in Ottawa. Holmström should check in on his office in front of goal, while Zetterberg or Sundin position on the left side. When Forsberg gets the puck, everybody gets in MOTION to give Forsberg many alternatives. Let his godlike awareness and passing ability set up an opening, shot, shield by Holmström and rebound.

If B-Å still refuses to play PP for real and continues to roll on the lines, I swear by God that I will rant him to death. As a coach with these players, KNOWING how important the PP will be, especially later in the tournament, it's crucial, unforgivable, obvious and unmistakable. I just don't have enough words for it, he MUST set up a proper PP.

In my mind, I still can't figure out the reason for not doing it since the start. Does he know the history Sweden has with bad PP in big tournaments? Does he want to keep it that way as a cultural thing or what?

As for the players, I require alot more by Modin and Zetterberg (not that it's easy to create anything dragging Jörgen Jönsson on his *** in the same line). And the sloppy, slow, bad defensemen of course.

By the way, isn't Hävelid injured for several games? Is it official that he can play tomorrow?

Forsberg and Sundin hate each other.

Furthermore Forsberg has to play center.

Sweden wins 5-2. Forsberg with a couple of assists.

Forsberg and Sundin hate each other.

Furthermore Forsberg has to play center.

Where did you get that idea?

Where did you get that idea?

His head. That's as far as this idea goes. It doesn't reach anything beyond his skull. :sarcasm:

We'll win.

We'll win.

Hey it's OK to be a little optimistic some times but comon... :sarcasm:

PETER THE GREAT IS BACK! :clap:

PETER THE GREAT IS BACK! :clap:

not yet!!

Sundin hates Forsberg?

Sundin hates Forsberg?

No way. I would say the opposite, they love eachother :banana: :banana: :banana:

No way. I would say the opposite, they love eachother :banana: :banana: :banana:


Yeah, there´s definitely some male lovi´n going on between Foppa & Sudden :sarcasm:


This is their last tournament together, I think they should get to play together.

No way. I would say the opposite, they love eachother :banana: :banana: :banana:
When Forsberg has been talking about the Olympics he always say "This is probably the last big tournament with Sundin and those boys". He always mention Sundin first, always and with a big smile. He doesn't hate the guy, no way.

Do you know who was one of the players Forsberg did admire the most in the Swedish Elite Leauge last year? Per Ledin, the guy who was ALWAYS on the back of Forsberg, picking on him, teasing him etc...just like Draper does.

Yeah, Per Ledin is a very skilled agitator, no question about that. Probably the best in Elitserien.

No word who will be in goal? Tellqvist or Lundqvist? I can't find info anywhere.

I'm looking forward to this game a lot, watching Forsberg is always entertaining. Let's hope the women's team inspired the men's team to work hard, because if we lose this one we are in some serious trouble.. :help:

Btw, I was thinking about getting an avatar just like that, LotN! Sweet! :handclap:

My prediction.

We come out gun´s á blazin, lead shots on goal 19-2 after the first period, but Latvia take sthe lead late in the first period on a break-away.

Second period, Sweden gets to play 10 minutes on the PP, but fails to capitalize.

13 shots on goal for Sweden, 3 for Latvia. We´re down 2-0 after 2 periods after a late giveaway by Kenny Jönsson.

Last period starts off with Foppa leaving the rink die to an injury. Latvia adds 2 powerplaygoals to their previous 2 and wins the game 4-0, despite being outshot 49-11.

:teach:

My prediction.

We come out gun´s á blazin, lead shots on goal 19-2 after the first period, but Latvia take sthe lead late in the first period on a break-away.

Second period, Sweden gets to play 10 minutes on the PP, but fails to capitalize.

13 shots on goal for Sweden, 3 for Latvia. We´re down 2-0 after 2 periods after a late giveaway by Kenny Jönsson.

Last period starts off with Foppa leaving the rink die to an injury. Latvia adds 2 powerplaygoals to their previous 2 and wins the game 4-0, despite being outshot 49-11.

:teach:

Ill take this one :propeller

Forsberg has been put on the fourth line.

Henrik Lundqvist.

Nicklas Lidström - Mattias Öhlund
Daniel Alfredsson - Mats Sundin - Fredrik Modin

Kenny Jönsson - Christian Bäckman
Henrik Zetterberg - Jörgen Jönsson - Tomas Holmström

Daniel Tjärnqvist - Ronnie Sundin
Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - Mikael Samuelsson.

Samuel Påhlsson - Peter Forsberg - Per-Johan Axelsson.

Guess they won't play Foppa very much. Save him for a later stage of the tournament.

I'm predicting a pretty tight game, 3-1 Sweden.

foppa action, PP for Sweden

Ouch Z almost had one there!

Edit: still can't belive Z plays on the 3rd line.. heh.. absurd.

Sweden coming out strong. Z should have buried that one!

Bäckman has been brutal the whole Olympics. Poor passing, poor receptions of passes, poor positioning and poor penalties.

Bäckman has been brutal the whole Olympics. Poor passing, poor receptions of passes, poor positioning and poor penalties.

Yep! He's been but a shadow of his former self. I thought he could be our next reliable D-man, but he hasn't shown much lately :(

Sweden are skating soo damn slow.

Yep! He's been but a shadow of his former self. I thought he could be our next reliable D-man, but he hasn't shown much lately :(


Perhaps he will develop into an Aki Berg type of player. ;)

I would actually like to see Z centering the first line, having Sundin playing a power forward role instead. We have a lot of centers, few guys who can crash the net convincingly.

Good start, but Latvia plays very tight.

Good start, but Latvia plays very tight.

I think a lot of the poor teams are improving, so there are no guaranteed points. I think it is a very good development for the sport of hockey too. It would be great if Germany and Switzerland joined the big 7 in the next 5-10 years.

Ah, come on Z... what are you doing?

Ah, come on Z... what are you doing?

He's bitten by the swedish disease... holding on the puck instead of just shooting it. Shoot, shoot, shoot and the latvians will get torn up.

Also, Bäckman coughs up the puck AGAIN!


SCOOOORE

I think a lot of the poor teams are improving, so there are no guaranteed points. I think it is a very good development for the sport of hockey too. It would be great if Germany and Switzerland joined the big 7 in the next 5-10 years.

Yeah you're right, but the sport really is improving, just look at Latvia and the swiss now, but a hockey hype in Germany is really important.

BTW GOAL

Woho, Foppa is back. Good goal by Påhlsson.

Why must Alfredsson make it look flashy when he comes over the blueline? Make it simple and skate!!

Jönsson with another shot straight into the chest of the goalie.

With a REAL player with Zetterberg and Holmström, they would have scored by now.

I'm no fan of these lines at all. We need a better first line and Foppa should be on it together with Alfie.

Zetterberg is overworking a bit when he gets to a scoring chance.

The game isn't on here in the US, how does Forsberg look?

The game isn't on here in the US, how does Forsberg look?

Pretty good actually, he's playing on the wrong line though.

Did he get an assist on the Pahlsson goal?

Yes. He stepped in and shot a puck that was deflected off the goalie from close range. Påhlsson scored on the rebound.

Yup. *** on Forsberg.

:biglaugh: Assist on Forsberg. The short term didn't work out that well.

Foppa has one pretty good hit, an assist, a great set-up pass that Påhlsson missed, a couple of awsome dekes that made the Latvians dizzy..

He´s working pretty hard, has backchecked hard on several occasions :amazed:

But he´s a bit rusty.

The most important thing to me, is that he remains healthy til the later stages.


If we get there.

LidstrÖm!!!

Wham bam thank you mam, thought I heard the back door slam!

2-0 :D

Foppa-line gets a PP for Sweden.

Lidström slams one in, Holmström in front of the goal. The goalie couldn't see anything. Perfect! :handclap:

Alfie redeems himself a little :)

3-0

YES! New PP goal! Alfredsson puts one in on a rebound.

OMG PETER FORSBERG


what a ****ing pass....

:clap:

What a great pass by Forsberg! PJ Axelsson has an open net. 4-0.

:bow: Foooorsbeeeerg!

Foppa is the Stenmark of hockey! Slalom through the defenders, saucer pass, smack boom bang! 4-0

Awesome

Zetterberg! Finally! 5-0!

great work by holma-jorgen-zata!!!

5-0

Finally Zetts gets a goal.


Homer has been our best player in the olympics, along with Påhlsson.

Zäta! :clap:

Homer has been our best player in the olympics, along with Påhlsson.

Agree 100%

Oh damn! A Latvian player looks hurt. I hope he's ok.

DAMN! Forsberg is dah man :amazed: :eek:


Great, nice to see Zäta with a goal, good for him!

GO SWEDEN!!!

Haha...

Wikegård is the funniest ******* commentator ever. :handclap:

OMG! Jörgen Jönsson in the first PP unit! How can B-Å even CONSIDER playing him there? Redicilous! :rant:

Something that makes me happy again: That "Deeeeeeooooo!" followed by that chicken scream that the crowd repeats.. "Wo-oh-oh-oh!"

It cracks me up! Funny as hell! :biglaugh:

OMG! Jörgen Jönsson in the first PP unit! How can B-Å even CONSIDER playing him there? Redicilous! :rant:

Agree, it's effing horrible. Why don't we have a real PP unit? For example:

Lidström-Alfredsson
Forsberg-Sundin-Holmström

Forsberg is looking good, ahh almost scored there.

Cllllllllllooooosseeee...

Damn close, that wraparound by Foppa owned.

This game is now on CNBC

Good play by Forsberg, almost scores the kitchen way.

Zetterberg delivers to Jönsson, Jönsson misses.

Modin continues to be totally invisible and takes a totally unecessary hooking penalty in our attacking zone. Wake up Modin!

Agree, it's effing horrible. Why don't we have a real PP unit? For example:

Lidström-Alfredsson
Forsberg-Sundin-Holmström

Yes please, BÅG is surpassing Hardy as the most hated (national team) coach ever.

(I loved him when he coached DIF) :D

And it's on CNBC here in the States.

I was just going to say that we hadnt had a penalty yet, and then Modin gets one for hooking :shakehead

Lundqivst looks busy.. :yo:

The Swedes look pretty damn good.

Haha what a lame finish by Daniel Sedin! Come on! Don't do this... continue to grind with focus.

so what will our newspapers throw on the team tomorrow? another load of crap?

Forsberg really opens up another dimension in our play. We needed him badly. He has delivered right from the start, being absent for one month.

Forsberg > god.

It's good that we are winning. But the Latvians are clearly saving their best for tomorrow - they don't even play Irbe - so it's pretty useless as an indication of our form.

On a sidenote: BÅG really has to do something about the lines. The first line in general and Modin in particular are ineffective in even play.

Forsberg > god.



I´d even go as far as saying...

Peter Forsberg ---------------> Peter Jöback

:biglaugh:


He hasnt been dominating, but if you look at the fact that hes been inured for a month hes doing okay.

And remember, It´s Latvia.

On a sidenote.

Switerland beat Canada 2-0.

SOG last period, Canada had 24, Switzerland 1 :sarcasm:



On a sidenote: BÅG really has to do something about the lines. The first line in general and Modin in particular are ineffective in even play.


Thats three goalscorers and no playmakers in the same line, poor coaching by BÅG.

But then again, what else is new.

I still want to see Foppa with Sudden.

FINALLY Forsberg in PP. But when he gets the puck, get in motion goddammit! The whole ice just freeze. Both Swedes and Latvians. Latvians in fear, Swedes in awe. :sarcasm:

FINALLY Forsberg in PP. But when he gets the puck, get in motion goddammit! The whole ice just freeze. Both Swedes and Latvians. Latvians in fear, Swedes in awe. :sarcasm:

:thumbu: :clap: :yo:

6-0! Lidström and Sundin cooperates nicely, Sundin on the wraparound, Alfredsson scores in front of the net.

Lids, Mats, Alfie

The kings!

6-0

Alfie from Sundin.

Alfie with his thirs goal in the olympics, but he´s still pretty invisible.

Sundin rocks.


edit.. OMG Foppa.... I´m convinced, hes the best passer in the world. No goal, but that saucerpass on the drop, was friggin amazing.

Forsberg should shoot a little bit more. He doesn't have to make those godlike passes every time. He should use those wrists to score as well. The player with the big question mark right now is Fredrik Modin. He has been frigging invisible for three games.

Samuelsson doesn't work with the Sedins...


How have the Sedins looked so far?

Samuelsson doesn't work with the Sedins...

They did good in last years WC

Samuelsson doesn't work with the Sedins...


How have the Sedins looked so far?
Sedins haven't been bad, but they haven't been good either. A couple of nice moves, but too little determination.

Latvia scores.

Lunkan was cold... I guess...

Lunkan was cold... I guess...

Yeah, a little too easy. Soft goal..

A cheap goal by Latvia. He shot it in virtually no space at all between Henke's pads. Henke had even crouched down. How the hell did that one get in? Henke doesn't look happy at all.

6-1.

Oh how I love Lidström's defensive posture. He receives virtually no penalties at all because he uses his smartness instead of his physics.

Very efficient for his team, no SH.

Oh how I love the workload of Tomas Holmström. No one in the entire team fights and struggles as much as he does. He is a dream player for a coach. He doesn't care that the score is 6-1.

Samuelsson with his second shot in the post of the game! Boy is he unlucky tonight or what?

really guys you will see a complete diffrent team Latvia tomorow agains Russia, mark my words :teach:

really guys you will see a complete diffrent team Latvia tomorow agains Russia, mark my words :teach:

yes. their game plan was decidedly not to win this game. on the other hand we need the goal difference back :P

Lunkan was cold... I guess...

I'm amazed he's still awake. ;)

A cheap goal by Latvia. He shot it in virtually no space at all between Henke's pads. Henke had even crouched down. How the hell did that one get in? Henke doesn't look happy at all.

6-1.


you cant blame him, its not as if he was getting work at all. He hadn't seen a puck in so long, he forgot what to do!

Who has scored for Sweden?

It is quite obvious that Forsberg will probably switch places with Jörgen Jönsson against USA tomorrow.

Zetterberg - Forsberg - Holmström

Påhlsson - Jönsson - Axelsson

Who has scored for Sweden?

Alfie twice, Lidström, Zetterberg aaaaaand?

Who has scored for Sweden?

Pahlsson, Lidstrom, Alfredsson, Axelsson, Zetterberg, Alfredsson (again)

Alfie twice, Lidström, Zetterberg aaaaaand?
Pahlsson.

Who has scored for Sweden?
1-0 Påhlsson (Forsberg)
2-0 Lidström PP (Zetterberg)
3-0 Alfredsson PP (K. Jönsson)
4-0 Axelsson PP (Forsberg)
5-0 Zetterberg (Holmström)
6-0 Alfredsson (Sundin, Lidström)

Nice, thanks.

Modin another penalty, in PP! What the heck does he think he's doing? He doesn't have one right in three games now! Scratch him and let Hannula play. :rant:

He has been invisible and when you have seen him, he is involved in something bad.

Alfie redeemed himself bigtime in this game. :handclap:

It is quite obvious that Forsberg will probably switch places with Jörgen Jönsson against USA tomorrow.

Zetterberg - Forsberg - Holmström

Påhlsson - Jönsson - Axelsson

Why? We lose deepth and why have two player on the same line who like too hold the puck?

Keep the lines as they are.

Thats three goalscorers and no playmakers in the same line, poor coaching by BÅG.

But then again, what else is new.

I still want to see Foppa with Sudden.

Agree. Forsberg should play with Sundin and Modin, and Z. should center Alfie and Holmström.

I'll buy anything as long as we dump Jönsson to the defensive line. But I agree with you, Zetterberg and Forsberg on the same line is trouble.

Agree. Forsberg should play with Sundin and Modin, and Z. should center Alfie and Holmström.

That sir, I like...

And please! Give us a proper PP unit, I do not want to see J.J play PP agian...

I could also see Alfie together with Foppa. Forsberg needs a goalscorer on his line..

Modin - Zetterberg - Samuelsson

Holmström - Sundin - Forsberg

Alfredsson - Sedin - Sedin

Jönsson - Påhlsson - Axelsson

:bow:


Three evenly stacked lines + one checkingline.

Whattcha think?

Modin - Zetterberg - Samuelsson

Holmström - Sundin - Forsberg

Alfredsson - Sedin - Sedin

Jönsson - Påhlsson - Axelsson

:bow:


Three evenly stacked lines + one checkingline.

Whattcha think?


Switch Alfie with Samuelsson and im okay with that. :)

And please! Give us a proper PP unit, I do not want to see J.J play PP agian...

I agree. But BÅG is apparently set on playing our two top lines with our two top d-pairings on the Power Play. Bad idea, but that's the way it is going.

Take Modin off that first line, they really need a fast skater instead, both Sundin and Alfredsson can score goals so the only thing they need is a guy that can do the "hard-work", Påhlsson?

OR

Play the old succesfull Frölunda-line from 2004/05?

And,

Anyone who thinks Alex Steen should have been in this team?

I would like to see Forsberg & Alfie together with Holmstrom.

That line would be sick! :banana: :thumbu:

I would like to see Forsberg & Alfie together with Holmstrom.

That line would be sick! :banana: :thumbu:
Yeah that would be nice. But I really liked what I saw today so I want them to keep Forsberg with PJ and Påhlsson in the next game too. Påhlsson has been our best forward so far together with Sundin. Påhlsson is freaking awesome, damn I love that guy!

Forsberg did look good out there today, really good. I just wish BÅG would have powerplay lineups instead of rolling around on the regular ones. But I guess that will change, hopefully.

That could probably turn out well. Heck, anyone playing with Forsberg will turn out well. ;)

But who will take defensive responsbility?

And I agree. Samuel Påhlsson and Tomas Holmström, I love those two guys. Axelsson has also been great as usual, you know what you get when you play that guy.

Yeah. What I am most amazed of is that I thought Forsberg would get like 12 minutes of playing time in this game. I think he played most minutes of any forward in the game though (maybe beaten by Påhlsson and PJ who worked in boxplay). His line did the longest shifts on the whole team. So this probably showed that his groin is fine...*prays to god*

His line did the longest shifts on the whole team. So this probably showed that his groin is fine...*prays to god*
´

Yep, i hope so. His line was on for 1min+ at most shifts through the game.

the Sedins' didn't show up on the scoresheet, did they play well?

the Sedins' didn't show up on the scoresheet, did they play well?
No, they sucked today. The whole line lacked speed...just a plain bad game by them.

No, they sucked today. The whole line lacked speed...just a plain bad game by them.

Damn you are hard to please :)

Last time it was Alfie that "sucked" iirc.

Damn you are hard to please :)

Last time it was Alfie that "sucked" iirc.


They did suck, as did Alfie even though he had 2 goals.

They did suck, as did Alfie even though he had 2 goals.

Ehh, i think Alfie played alot better today, even though I don't think he "sucked" against Russia like others seem to do. Just because they don't score every game they don't "suck".

Alfie isn't directly famous for peaking his form early in a tournament, he usually needs a few games.

Ehh, i think Alfie played alot better today, even though I don't think he "sucked" against Russia like others seem to do. Just because they don't score every game they don't "suck".

Alfie isn't directly famous for peaking his form early in a tournament, he usually needs a few games.

"suck" is mayb the wrong word. Let's say "arrogant lazy *** floater". That suited him in the Russia game. :D

This time around he was better, but not close to his reputation

Alfie was okay today since he didn't make those blue line misstakes. The Sedins were slow and didn't look good at all out there today but they'll bounce back.

Alfie was okay today since he didn't make those blue line misstakes. The Sedins were slow and didn't look good at all out there today but they'll bounce back.


Put Alfie with the redheads, and something might happen-.

How did the defensive pairing Lidström - Öhlund look today?
They didn't show this game in Canada!

How did the defensive pairing Lidström - Öhlund look today?
They didn't show this game in Canada!

Yes they did...it was on TSN. Unfortuantly, I only caught parts of it(Lousy work!) but Lidstrom looked pretty good...

How did the defensive pairing Lidström - Öhlund look today?
They didn't show this game in Canada!

I think they are freaking great, Öhlund goes hard to the body, covering any mistakes being done, Lidström is playing is usual good positioning game. He is really starting to show is offensive upside, great passing, great goal, classic Detroit-goal, Zetterberg passing up to Lidström, Lidström moves in, fires, Holmström covering the goalie = goal.

Too bad our two best D-men are paired together. Suicidal unless BAG is intending to let them play a lot of minutes. The other d-formations are really fragile as it is. Backman is terrible.

Too bad our two best D-men are paired together. Suicidal unless BAG is intending to let them play a lot of minutes. The other d-formations are really fragile as it is. Backman is terrible.

He has no choice but to play them almost all the time. Remember that Ronnie Sundin is on one of the parirings.

He has no choice but to play them almost all the time. Remember that Ronnie Sundin is on one of the parirings.

Damn right! I dunno if there is any ice time clock for the Olympics, but I want Lidstrom/Ohlund being 20 minutes a game _minimum_. They can handle it. Cycle the other guys according to need. :D

He has no choice but to play them almost all the time. Remember that Ronnie Sundin is on one of the parirings.
That Bengt-Åke Gustafsson choosed Ronnie Sundin as the replacement of Mattias Norström is a huge error. What the hell was he thinking. Sundin isn´t even close of being the best d-man in SEL (!)....

That Bengt-Åke Gustafsson choosed Ronnie Sundin as the replacement of Mattias Norström is a huge error. What the hell was he thinking. Sundin isn´t even close of being the best d-man in SEL (!)....


Hes not even the best defenceman in Frölunda.

I would´ve rather liked to see Oduya :teach:


But seriously, Ragnarsson... :yo:

Ragnarsson said no, didnt he?

What about Olausson? Maybe not the fastest skater anymore, but he's been in big tournaments before and has a good point shot. He'd have the experience and skill... oh well. we have what we have now.