IIHF News: Foppa will play tomorrow

Febraury 17 -- TURIN, Italy

Peter Forsberg practised today with Team Sweden and the star showed no ill effects from his nagging groin injury that forced him to miss the team's first two games of these 2006 Olympics. As a result, he will be in the lineup tomorrow at 5.00pm when Tre Kronor plays Latvia at Palasport.

http://www.iihf.com/news/iihfpr1306.htm

Yeeeeeees! Thank you lord! I'm not religious, but thank you lord!

Worst friggin news I've heard all day....

I have mixed emotions about this.

Confirmed now by Swedish Radio.

Calls for

:handclap: :handclap: :handclap:

Great! I hope he will do himself justice! :highclap:

Excellent! I would have used a banana here, but I am too lazy to switch from "Quick reply" to "Go Advanced" :)

Good luck, Peter.

WOOOOO HOOOOOO!!!!!!!

:handclap:

This is a good thing as long as he is in fact healthy. If he skates and leaves half way through there are going to be a lot of pissed off Flyers fans.

This is a good thing as long as he is in fact healthy. If he skates and leaves half way through there are going to be a lot of pissed off Flyers fans.

:D

So what's the over/under on how long he lasts in this tournament. ;)

3 shifts

Screw Ed Snider and Bob Clarke :yo: Go Foppa (but not against the Finns of course ;) )

:D

So what's the over/under on how long he lasts in this tournament. ;)

I called it a week ago that he would play and get injured halfway through the first game.

How many periods will Foppas groin last?

Place your bets, gentlemen.

How many periods will Foppas groin last?

Place your bets, gentlemen.

I'll give him 4 periods. He'll make it through the first game but injure himself sometime between the start and the end of the second period in his second game back.

Screw Ed Snider and Bob Clarke Go Foppa

Dont get too happy. If the worst case scenario happens, Forsberg further injures himself and misses the playoffs, the NHL will have significant ammunition to argue against Olympic participation in the next CBA.

How many periods will Foppas groin last?

Place your bets, gentlemen.


The minute i heard he was going to Turin i knew he was going to play. He wont give up the fight, this is the last olympics with the rest of the crew.
He will play as long as the swedish team will in Turin.

"I feel fine, I skated very well," Forsberg told the Philadelphia Inquirer. "I wouldn't be doing this if I thought there was any chance I could get hurt."

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=155260&hubname=nhl

IF he hurts himself, hopefully he will be blacklisted in the NHL. Philly shouldn't have to put up with this stupidity.

Well Sweden needs to figure out someway to get solid play from their bottom pairing defenseman because if they keep playing the way they did against Russia, this will be a short tournament for the Swedes even if Peter is at his best.

At any rate, good luck to you Peter, hope you have a healthy and successful tournament...JUST DON'T GET HURT.

Anybody doubted this?

COME ON.

This was a show for the Flyers and part of a compromise when Peter agreed to reduce his olympic schedule and pass the first two games.

Do you seriously think the swedes would have reserved a roster spot for him if it were not certain he'd participate? Come on a country who has the luxury of putting guys like nylander on reserves has no need for that.

It's not like Forsberg is the only guy on team sweden who has any business playing at that level.

If germany had reserved 2 slots for hecht and sturm just in case they would be fit to participate in the QF, that would have made at least some sense. But sweden? give me a break.

IF he hurts himself, hopefully he will be blacklisted in the NHL. Philly shouldn't have to put up with this stupidity.

It's not like he would stay in the nhl much longer anyway.

IF he hurts himself, hopefully he will be blacklisted in the NHL. Philly shouldn't have to put up with this stupidity.

Out of curiosity, if Pronger further injures his foot, should he be blacklisted as well?

Out of curiosity, if Pronger further injures his foot, should he be blacklisted as well?
Has Pronger missed 15 games this season? Was he out the 8 games prior to the Olympic break? Has he had foot trouble his entire career?

IF he hurts himself, hopefully he will be blacklisted in the NHL. Philly shouldn't have to put up with this stupidity.


blacklisted like no one should sign him or play him?

I don't like to use smilies, but...

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

Has Pronger missed 15 games this season? Was he out the 8 games prior to the Olympic break? Has he had foot trouble his entire career?

Pronger is a hero!!!:) If he was a european player, then he would be blacklisted:)

Has Pronger missed 15 games this season? Was he out the 8 games prior to the Olympic break? Has he had foot trouble his entire career?

Are you sure he would have played those eight games if there wasn't the olympics? If not, it's really irrelevant. Maybe he could have played one or two of those if he really had to, I don't know, but you are making a far bigger deal of this than it deservs.

Anybody doubted this?

COME ON.

This was a show for the Flyers and part of a compromise when Peter agreed to reduce his olympic schedule and pass the first two games.

Do you seriously think the swedes would have reserved a roster spot for him if it were not certain he'd participate? Come on a country who has the luxury of putting guys like nylander on reserves has no need for that.

It's not like Forsberg is the only guy on team sweden who has any business playing at that level.

If germany had reserved 2 slots for hecht and sturm just in case they would be fit to participate in the QF, that would have made at least some sense. But sweden? give me a break.

do i think a country would go to great, and potentially risky lengths, to get the 4th best passer in the history of the NHL playing in these olympics? yes...

however, i also argued that as soon as Forsberg was over there it was a done deal and he was going to play (even if he's not 100%... which i don't think he is...).

Out of curiosity, if Pronger further injures his foot, should he be blacklisted as well?

Their injuries and injury history are drastically different. This type of situation should be looked at by case-to-case basis. And no I'm not implying Forsberg should be blacklisted...that's just stupid.

Anybody doubted this?

... It's not like Forsberg is the only guy on team sweden who has any business playing at that level.

If germany had reserved 2 slots for hecht and sturm just in case they would be fit to participate in the QF, that would have made at least some sense. But sweden? give me a break.
We're not talking about Stürm, we're talking about the arguably best playmaker in the world, perhaps the best hockeyplayer in the world. Nylander is a great substitute, it's the coaches idiocy not to call him in "just in case", but Forsberg is Forsberg.

I just saw an interview with Forsberg right after his practice. He looked really relieved and sincerely happy. He smiled alot. I don't know why you are implying why he would cover up a no-healed injury. He is not STUPID (he is a very smart player). He knows if he is not 100%, he won't be able to play no matter how much he wants it.

He said he went 100% on practice a couple of times and felt nothing. Where are all Philly fans whining when he says he is 100% and plays the next Philly game, the other time he had a groin injury this season.

Who is selfish, Forsberg or the fans who demand that he must rest, even if he wants to represent his country for perhaps the last time in his career?

Out of curiosity, if Pronger further injures his foot, should he be blacklisted as well?

for the record... there is a HUGE difference in the risk associated with a "cracked bone" and a groin tear in terms of potential for aggravation... if he was playing on something like that i wouldn't have nearly the paranoia i have concerning Forsberg ripping that groin apart by trying to play before it is ready to go.

I cannot believe that Snider and Clarke couldn't see this coming. In fact, I'm sure they knew it, but figured they might shame Forsberg into not playing for his country. I mean come on, the guy gets injured every 3rd game, he has a history of injuries, and he plays for his country every chance he gets. So the Flyers go out and sign him to win the Cup for them during an Olympic year? :biglaugh: Smart guys.

Ooh Curling! Btw, thank you Peter, we need you!

Has Pronger missed 15 games this season? Was he out the 8 games prior to the Olympic break? Has he had foot trouble his entire career?

Maybe not, but is Pronger injured at the present time? Was he injured before he left for Turino? Could he further injure himself in Olympic competition? Is Pronger vital to Edmonton's Stanley Cup aspirations?

Pete's a grown man who can make decisions for himself. He knows his body better than anyone. I've already stated this in another thread so please accept my apologies for repeating myself. I've been following Forsberg since 1992. He's the reason I started watching NHL hockey in the first place. And throughout all those years, I have never known of him to make a decision that would jeopordize his team, whether it be Modo, the Avs, or the Swedish National Team. Pete takes his job seriously. And he is one of the most passionate players out on the ice today. He's a player who I've never even once had to question where his loyalties lie or what his priorities are. I can understand why Philly fans may be frustrated and upset with Pete's decision. But can't you just trust Pete's judgement? I sincerely don't believe he is the type of player that would do anything to hurt his team (i.e. Philly).

I cannot believe that Snider and Clarke couldn't see this coming. In fact, I'm sure they knew it, but figured they might shame Forsberg into not playing for his country. I mean come on, the guy gets injured every 3rd game, he has a history of injuries, and he plays for his country every chance he gets. So the Flyers go out and sign him to win the Cup for them during an Olympic year? :biglaugh: Smart guys.

smart post... :rolleyes:

if we win the cup... what then?

Great news - it will make a great tournment even better! :D

Maybe not, but is Pronger injured at the present time? Was he injured before he left for Turino? Could he further injure himself in Olympic competition? Is Pronger vital to Edmonton's Stanley Cup aspirations?

Pete's a grown man who can make decisions for himself. He knows his body better than anyone. I've already stated this in another thread so please accept my apologies for repeating myself. I've been following Forsberg since 1992. He's the reason I started watching NHL hockey in the first place. And throughout all those years, I have never known of him to make a decision that would jeopordize his team, whether it be Modo, the Avs, or the Swedish National Team. Pete takes his job seriously. And he is one of the most passionate players out on the ice today. He's a player who I've never even once had to question where his loyalties lie or what his priorities are. I can understand why Philly fans may be frustrated and upset with Pete's decision. But can't you just trust Pete's judgement? I sincerely don't believe he is the type of player that would do anything to hurt his team (i.e. Philly).

are you serious with that question...? you can NEVER trust an athlete's judgment when it comes to playing or not playing. EVER.

Great news - it will make a great tournment even better! :D

if nothing else it sets up for a bloodbath on our board if he goes out in the first period tomorrow.

smart post... :rolleyes:

if we win the cup... what then?

Then Congratulations, smart guy.

I cannot believe that Snider and Clarke couldn't see this coming. In fact, I'm sure they knew it, but figured they might shame Forsberg into not playing for his country. I mean come on, the guy gets injured every 3rd game, he has a history of injuries, and he plays for his country every chance he gets. So the Flyers go out and sign him to win the Cup for them during an Olympic year? :biglaugh: Smart guys.Bill Daly, on whether NHL owners have the right to tell players they can't go to the Olympics: "Right now, our agreement is no, the clubs don't have the right to bar a player from deciding to participate in the Olympics. We've agreed with the IIHF and the Players Association, each individual player has the right to participate if he wants to."

This is something I have been arguing for the past few weeks here (that it was wrong for NHL GMs (ahem, Bob Clarke) to put any pressure on players to not go), and now I feel vindicated!

This is something I have been arguing for the past few weeks here (that it was wrong for NHL GMs (ahem, Bob Clarke) to put any pressure on players to not go), and now I feel vindicated!

your boss never put pressure on you about something you don't want to do? it's called life... they're not allowed to bar... they are allowed to express their feelings.

This is something I have been arguing for the past few weeks here (that it was wrong for NHL GMs (ahem, Bob Clarke) to put any pressure on players to not go), and now I feel vindicated!

Exactly. Both sides signed the CBA and they knew what they were getting into. Now the NHL teams that have players going to the Olympics have to deal with the consequences, be it fatigue, injuries, etc.

are you serious with that question...? you can NEVER trust an athlete's judgment when it comes to playing or not playing. EVER.


Ummmm, yes, I was being serious. I'm sorry, but I try not to lump every athlete into one category. Like I have stated, I've been following Peter for quite sometime, and I have learned, over the years, to trust in his judgement.
I have found that his decisions have always been quite sound and logical throughout the years. Now, on the other hand, if the the little bugger has had a history of making bad decisions, then I probably would be telling all you Philly fans to get on your knees and start praying to the Hockey Gods.

;)

smart post... :rolleyes:

if we win the cup... what then?


If my aunt had a "package" she would be my uncle! :)

Ummmm, yes, I was being serious. I'm sorry, but I try not to lump every athlete into one category. Like I have stated, I've been following Peter for quite sometime, and I have learned, over the years, to trust in his judgement.
I have found that his decisions have always been quite sound and logical throughout the years. Now, on the other hand, if the the little bugger has had a history of making bad decisions, then I probably would be telling all you Philly fans to get on your knees and start praying to the Hockey Gods.

;)

okay... here's a stab at lumping professional athletes into one category. they are VERY competitive people who've reached the levels they've reached due to a combination of natural skill paired with that competitive streak and love for the game. they are the type of people that would rather play whenever possible than sit on the bench. therefore, when injured, when trying to take a pitcher out of a game, etc. players are not to be trusted to come to sound judgment regarding their physical condition...

not a negative judgment of athletes or forsberg... just the nature of the beast.

oh... we're already praying, with good reason:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/fantasy?playerId=284

his groin problems AREN'T new, and they don't go away easily... the rest would have been the best possible thing for him.

Apparently they will play him on the 4th line tomorrow, with P-J Axelsson and Påhlsson. Presumably they are easing him into the tournament, as he is unlikely to stay on the 4th line.

Apparently they will play him on the 4th line tomorrow, with P-J Axelsson and Påhlsson. Presumably they are easing him into the tournament, as he is unlikely to stay on the 4th line.

I would imagine he'd get his share on a PP.

your boss never put pressure on you about something you don't want to do? it's called life... they're not allowed to bar... they are allowed to express their feelings.My mistake for not clarifiying - but Clarke came out and said that he 'should' be able to forbid Forsberg from going... :shakehead

My mistake for not clarifiying - but Clarke came out and said that he 'should' be able to forbid Forsberg from going... :shakehead

What's wrong with that?

My mistake for not clarifiying - but Clarke came out and said that he 'should' be able to forbid Forsberg from going... :shakehead

So if you were in Clarke's position, what would you do? Clarke had no say when these rules were made. The NHL is obviously not a democracy.

are you serious with that question...? you can NEVER trust an athlete's judgment when it comes to playing or not playing. EVER.

:biglaugh:

Let me guess: You are no physician.

If Forsberg re-injures his groin playing in the Olympics,the Flyers should garnish his salary.It's ridiculous :shakehead

If Forsberg re-injures his groin playing in the Olympics,the Flyers should garnish his salary.It's ridiculous :shakehead

They have insurance don't they?

Erm Sturm is way more important to Germany than Forsberg is to Sweden thats my Point.

If Forsberg's injury was really giving him only a like 50% chance to play then the swedish coaches would haven been orifessinal enough to suck it up and called nylander. Nylander is not exactly a basd player himself;

btw i wish germany had nominated Sturm and Hecht for the Taxi Squad and flown them in for the QF if they made it; If Germany makes a medal and sturm and hecht don't get one that would be so damn sad; those two are the german ambassadors of the sport and its just sad for them they cant join the team :cry:

:biglaugh:

Let me guess: You are no physician.

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

no... but i've watched sports and watched athletes make poor decisions -- with regularity -- regarding the advisability of them continuing to play, or suiting up in the first place. how many athletes -- ESPECIALLY HOCKEY PLAYERS -- have played on bumb knees, broken bones, etc. when it was advisable that they shouldn't? LOTS. because they're extremely competitive and many of them have a pain threshold that far surpasses a normal person.

i realize baseball isn't all that popular over there... but pitchers are easily the BEST example of the lack of good judgment players tend to have regarding their ability to play.

however, assuming you ever played sports and may have been hurt, i know from first-hand experience that you get back up and try to go even when you shouldn't. if you're a competitive person THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT IS. so... refute the accuracy of my statement regarding the desire of athletes to participate (even when the shouldn't) with something that is cogent... or save the laughs.

if Forsberg's groin is ok... i'm going to have to argue that Eric Lindros' head is OK.

My mistake for not clarifiying - but Clarke came out and said that he 'should' be able to forbid Forsberg from going... :shakehead

ah... if i was the General Manager of a team and my entire job was putting that team together under a salary cap system that makes my job very complicated, i'd want that ability to. seriously... what's the big deal?

Clarke also publicly stated his support for going to Torino...

If Forsberg re-injures his groin playing in the Olympics,the Flyers should garnish his salary.It's ridiculous :shakehead

What about Elias, Hasek or any of the other players that probably will get injured during this tourney?

What about Elias, Hasek or any of the other players that probably will get injured during this tourney?

neither were existing problems... BIG difference.

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

no...

I thought so.

Physicians would be almost helpless if they were not, as you suggest, allowed to trust first person reports from patients.

I thought so.

Physicians would be almost helpless if they were not, as you suggest, allowed to trust first person reports from patients.

you're RIGHT!

that's why they ordered MRI's...

players lie to trainers/physicians all the time to try and get out on the field... are you serious?

you're RIGHT!

that's why they ordered MRI's...

players lie to trainers/physicians all the time to try and get out on the field... are you serious?

Well, Forsbergs MRI they never indicated a damage, so...

give it up jester. You already lost. Forsberg will play :handclap:

Well, Forsbergs MRI they never indicated a damage, so...

actually they all indicated damage... the one last week showed that it hadn't healed nearly as much as they had hoped... and the one the Swedish doctors did led the guy to say it was only 50/50 he was going to be able to play....

yeah, those sound like clean MRI's.

if you think you can trust a player talking to a doctor that wants to be playing rather than in the training room, you're kidding yourself.

give it up jester. You alreayd lost. Forsberg will play

lost? i said from the start that as soon as he got on that plane to torino he was going to play... this is the least shocking thing in the world. however, i think people are delusional if they think he's actually 100%.

actually they all indicated damage... the one last week showed that it hadn't healed nearly as much as they had hoped... and the one the Swedish doctors did led the guy to say it was only 50/50 he was going to be able to play....


Got a link that corroborates that?

The Swedish doctors never performed a MRI.

You already lost. Forsberg will play :handclap:

We all lose if he reinjures himself. I don't know how good he's going to be to Sweden playing hurt anyway. It's a lose-lose situation. I don't think anyone can doubt that he's not 100%. Groin injuries dont' just go away like that. I just really hope he knows what he's doing.

neither were existing problems... BIG difference.

He's been resting for 3+ weeks, and his groin is now ok, whatis the problem?
Or do you honestly think he's lying to us all?

Got a link that corroborates that?

The Swedish doctors never performed a MRI.

picked that up in a thread here somewhere... guess it was just the one in philly (which showed that it wasn't healed).

He's been resting for 3+ weeks, and his groin is now ok, whatis the problem?
Or do you honestly think he's lying to us all?

define lying?

i think he feels "good enough to go"... i don't think "good enough to go" equates to 100%, no.

picked that up in a thread here somewhere... guess it was just the one in philly (which showed that it wasn't healed).

:biglaugh:

Yeah, right...

I think u Philly fans should be happy about him resting the first 2 and showing both the Flyers and Swedish fans respect.

Anyway, this will be great for us.

Go Peter! :handclap:

:biglaugh:

Yeah, right...


you got me... my mission in life is to lie about MRI's that have been done.

Anybody from Philadelphia that realizes what kind of Forsberg you get back when sweden wins gold?

Anybody from Philadelphia that realizes what kind of Forsberg you get back when sweden wins gold?

he's already won a gold.... probably the same one that was a force of nature before.

you got me... my mission in life is to lie about MRI's that have been done.

I don't think you necessarily lied. But you revealed how credible you are.

define lying?

i think he feels "good enough to go"... i don't think "good enough to go" equates to 100%, no.

Some quotes from the swedish doctors:

Tre Kronor-ledningen hoppades att sex dagars full vila skulle ha läkt den lilla bristningen som fortfarande syntes på röntgenplåtarna i söndags.
De fick rätt.
Tre Kronors läkare Lennart Hovelius bedömer att Forsberg inte tar några risker genom att spela.
– Inte om vi matchar honom försiktigt. Vi bedömer att ljumsken är läkt, det ska inte vara några problem, säger han till TT.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,780431,00.html

Translation:

The managment of "Tre Kronor" was hoping that six days of complete rest would heal up the small tear that was still visible on x-rays last sunday.
They were right.
Tre Kronor doctor Lennart Hovelius says that Forsberg is not taking any chances by playing.
- Not if we start easy (Forsberg is set on the 4th line tommorow against Latvia). Our judgement is that the groin is healed, there shouldnt be any problems, he says to TT (a news agency).

I don't think you necessarily lied. But you revealed how credible you are.

by admitting i was wrong? you're right... people lack credibility when they fess up to errors.

by admitting i was wrong? you're right... people lack credibility when they fess up to errors.

I'm sorry, but I never saw such an admission.

Some quotes from the swedish doctors:



Translation:

The managment of "Tre Kronor" was hoping that six days of complete rest would heal up the small tear that was still visible on x-rays last sunday.
They were right.
Tre Kronor doctor Lennart Hovelius says that Forsberg is not taking any chances by playing.
- Not if we start easy (Forsberg is set on the 4th line tommorow against Latvia). Our judgement is that the groin is healed, there shouldnt be any problems, he says to TT (a news agency).

great... i hope they're right.

i find it difficult to believe that a guy goes from 50/50 to no risk in 24 hrs.

for fun... lets start bringing up all the examples of hockey players that were medically cleared to play on groins that promptly screwed the thing up again... it's not a short list.

I'm sorry, but I never saw such an admission.

picked that up in a thread here somewhere... guess it was just the one in philly (which showed that it wasn't healed).

Sweden has had many kings, but only one Czar:

Peter the Great :teach:

Jester - ok. I thought you were using that as a source. Obviously not a very good one.

great... i hope they're right.

i find it difficult to believe that a guy goes from 50/50 to no risk in 24 hrs.

for fun... lets start bringing up all the examples of hockey players that were medically cleared to play on groins that promptly screwed the thing up again... it's not a short list.
You are bending the words. Hovelius said 50/50 from his expertise on sunday/monday. That's at least 96 hours. He said that based on the test on friday.

oh... we're already praying, with good reason:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/players/fantasy?playerId=284

his groin problems AREN'T new, and they don't go away easily... the rest would have been the best possible thing for him.

I know they aren't new, in fact, in another thread (probably the 33rd thread out of about 99 devoted to Peter and his groin. :innocent: ) I posted a list of his groin/stomach muscle injury marathon the Avs experienced during the 2003-2004 season. (I believe someone had the nerve to ask me if I had a life.... ;) ). Listen, I have to fess up to something, now normally I pride myself on not being some Rose-Coloured Glasses wearing fan (concerning my favourite team that is) but when it comes to Peter, I sometimes have a tendency to put them on. So I'll admit that I may, just may have them on right now. Would rest be the best thing for Peter? Sure, no arguments from me. Time off from the game would probably benefit a majority of the already injured players that are in Turino. But they are competitors with a lot of national pride who feel that they owe it to the country (and the people) who got them where they are today. So yes, they are going to go out there (even if they are not 100%) and play their little butts off. And there will be some who will come back to their respective NHL teams just fine, some that come back worse off then when they left, and some that come back with brand-spankin' new injuries. And that's just the way it is. The only way to prevent this from happening is if the NHL pulls their heads out of their butts during the next round of CBA talks and says flat out, unequivocally that they will not allow NHL players to participate in the Olympics. But until they do this, every NHL player that is asked to represent his country in the Olympics has a right to say, "Why yes, I would love too." And there isn't one thing that the GM, the coach, the owner, or the fans can do about it. It is up to the player and no one else. He must decide for himself. He shouldn't have to make a choice between his national team and his NHL team. At least not while the NHL powers-that-be agreed to shut down the season in order to allow the players to play. I just don't believe that is fair to the athlete.

Let me guess: You are no physician.
No, but I bet he stayed at a Marriott Express last night. ;) Just kidding! I couldn't resist. But I guess I probably should have...huh?

great... i hope they're right.

i find it difficult to believe that a guy goes from 50/50 to no risk in 24 hrs.

for fun... lets start bringing up all the examples of hockey players that were promptly screwed the thing up again... it's not a short list.

For fun... lets start bringing up all the examples of hockey players that were medically cleared to play that went on to play hockey without getting injured right away.

Yeeeeeees! Thank you lord!

I just said the same thing lol. I just hope he doesn't get hurt, really would be a shame.

Great news for us, maybe now Alfredsson wont keep on screwing up in powerplay since Forsberg will have the puck most of the times. I and pray to god that the injury doesn't get bad again, that would really suck.

I have full respect for the decision that Forsberg did since it's probably his last Olypmics and he missed the old one because of some stupid foot injury. The guy has been having a rough career, give him a break. You can't change his decision so just live with it and enjoy watching him play since he wont be playing the game of hockey many more years...

Well I am appalled that Forsberg is playing as a Flyer Fan but I am happy for Sweden as this certainly should help make them a contender providing Peter stays
healthy.....he just better not get hurt........

Not at all a big Forsberg fan but this just stems back to what I have come to expect from Forsberg. If he could show the devotion for his NHL team that he does for his National team, like other players, he truly would be one of the best players of all time.

Why? Its just club hockey. World Championships, World Cups and Olympics are simply special. You can't feel special every day.

Try convincing a transatlantic NHL fan about that. :sarcasm:

These tournaments are probably quite equal to the Stanley Cup Playoffs...so don't compare a regular season game with an olympic game when it comes to giving your best. If Forsberg didn't have heart for his NHL club he would never have made a couple of too early comebacks.

Not at all a big Forsberg fan but this just stems back to what I have come to expect from Forsberg. If he could show the devotion for his NHL team that he does for his National team, like other players, he truly would be one of the best players of all time.


Forsberg´s got more heart than any other hockeyplayer alive, your smacktalk about "lack of devotion" cleary shows that you know nothing about Peter the Great.

According to Swedish media, Forsberg tested his groin in silence already on thursday morning, 08.00, when everybody else were asleep.

-Yes, I practiced already eight in the morning, when all the photographers were asleep. It felt in he groin then as well.
-The groin was probably healed entirely already a couple of days ago. But I really wanted these extra days to be absolutely sure that everything was really 100%.

The Swedish team and Forsberg knew the groin felt ok, but they kept silent.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,780607,00.html

There's also a bigger picture here. Clarke and Snider were easily the most vocal owner and GM trying to pressure their players to skip the olympics. It worked on every Euro Flyer selected (Jonsson, Pitkänen, Kapanen, Handzus) except for Forsberg. The only reason they probably didn't try to get Simon Gagne to skip the games is the fear of backlash from the Canadian media. That's another reason i'm really glad Foppa did what he had to do..

There's also a bigger picture here. Clarke and Snider were easily the most vocal owner and GM trying to pressure their players to skip the olympics. It worked on every Euro Flyer selected (Jonsson, Pitkänen, Kapanen, Handzus) except for Forsberg. The only reason they probably didn't try to get Simon Gagne to skip the games is the fear of backlash from the Canadian media. That's another reason i'm really glad Foppa did what he had to do..

exactly.

That's Forsberg. When he has decided something, it doesn't matter what anybody else says or who it is saying it. It's his decision and he knows it perfectly well.

Like when he took his hockey break. He said perfectly clear that it's his decision and that he doesn't care for one second what other people say or think about it.

Forsberg´s got more heart than any other hockeyplayer alive, your smacktalk about "lack of devotion" cleary shows that you know nothing about Peter the Great.

I think you missed the point. His first two seasons, Forsberg was dominant, since then he just hasn't shown that same form from the start to the end of a season. I think he was spoiled by getting a cup and big paycheck way too early in his career. My point wasn't that he had no heart period, it was that he had no heart for the NHL. He's played one full season and never seems to play through the injuries or if he does it is a very lackluster performance. Why do you think he talks about quitting and going back to Europe all the time? Forsberg has more heart than any other hockey player alive, tell that to Messier, Bourque, Howe, Yzerman, T. Fleury, Orr, Gretzky, Sakic (oh by the way Forsberg was just a supporting cast member, no Sakic = no cups) I could also name many more. Hell even Lemieux when he admitted that he just wasn't in the game early on had more heart than Foppa.

IMO I think Forsberg's hockey career has been a disappointment. I honestly thought Forsberg after 95-96 would be the most dominant player in the NHL but he never lived up to those lofty expectations.

Someone needs a hug. :shakehead

Forsberg doesn't need Sakic.

"Forsberg will never lead a team to a cup." Never said he needed Sakic I said if it wasn't for Sakic Forsberg would not have his name on Lord Stanley. Colorado could have won it without Forsberg but without Sakic there was no way.