Stevens deserves better than Messier??

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=58937


I agree with this article ten fold..

Whatever. I don't really care anymore. The fact is both players have their jerseys retired. That's it. Kara's a dumb ***** anyways.

Not trying to take anything from Scott Stevens' accomplishments, but "tenfold"? Doesn't seem other readers of that article agree. :dunno:

3 cups to 1???

hmmmmmmm.......

sorry..


tenfold..

Stevens should never be compared to Messier.

I like how not a single person at the end of the article agrees either :biglaugh:

3 cups to 1???

hmmmmmmm.......

sorry..


tenfold..

Messier’s Edmonton cups have nothing to do with his time as a Ranger. Having your Jersey put into the rafters really isn’t about career accomplishments as much as it is how much you meant to your particular team.

That being said, Messier clearly meant a whole lot to the Rangers. Its really pointless to argue who meant more at this stage the game. They are both being honored and that is all that matters.

3 cups to 1???

hmmmmmmm.......

sorry..


tenfold..

More like SIX Cups to 3 because while the Messier night at MSG was celebrating his NYR career it was also a celebration of his career and if you want to argue that Stevens had a better career then Messier did good luck to you.

Kara is the absolute most clueless hockey "writer" that there is out there.

Both Stevens and Mess had HOF, unbelievable careers, both are legends and they both have their place amoung the greats.

Congrats to Stevens on his fatastic career and I hope he enjoys his night.

BTW---notice how nobody from the arae teams are popping off shots at Stevens on his retirement night the way Marty had to at Messier on his retirement night? :dunno:

Did anyone else have a sickening feeling watching Stevens' "top 5 hits" on Hockey Night in NY? :dunno:

I have to say I agree with much of what this article is trying to say. Although I think she went astray when she said Stevens was more important than Messier was to Edmonton or the NHL, while those are highly debatable topics they should have been removed because they overshadow the rest of the argument.

The reason for including Messier at all is because that ceremony was SO over the top, the Devils' one is just going to look sad by comparison (which was a main point in the article).

Somewhat off topic, but included in the article, is that Stevens was more important to the Devils than Messier was to the Rangers. Anybody who thinks otherwise has been in a coma for the last decade and forgets how bad Messier looked in his final years and his jump to the Canucks. While Messier was important to the Rangers, that importance was highly magnified by the New York media which has never given the Devils a second glance. Had the franchises been reversed, I have no doubt that New York would have forgotten about Messier's guarantee awfully quick.

More like SIX Cups to 3 because while the Messier night at MSG was celebrating his NYR career it was also a celebration of his career and if you want to argue that Stevens had a better career then Messier did good luck to you.

Kara is the absolute most clueless hockey "writer" that there is out there.

Both Stevens and Mess had HOF, unbelievable careers, both are legends and they both have their place amoung the greats.

Congrats to Stevens on his fatastic career and I hope he enjoys his night.

BTW---notice how nobody from the arae teams are popping off shots at Stevens on his retirement night the way Marty had to at Messier on his retirement night? :dunno:
They wouldn't dare, just like when he played he might send them to the trainer's room :p:
If Scottie played 10 miles east they would erecting monunemts to him outside the garden! I'm not concearned with Messier. All I'm concearned with is being there tonight and giving the Captain his due by yelling my lungs out.

More like SIX Cups to 3 because while the Messier night at MSG was celebrating his NYR career it was also a celebration of his career and if you want to argue that Stevens had a better career then Messier did good luck to you.

Kara is the absolute most clueless hockey "writer" that there is out there.
Both Stevens and Mess had HOF, unbelievable careers, both are legends and they both have their place amoung the greats.

Congrats to Stevens on his fatastic career and I hope he enjoys his night.

BTW---notice how nobody from the arae teams are popping off shots at Stevens on his retirement night the way Marty had to at Messier on his retirement night? :dunno:

Absolutely.

But Messier's guarantee was, in fact, delivered. .... "...what if...."?

More like SIX Cups to 3 because while the Messier night at MSG was celebrating his NYR career it was also a celebration of his career and if you want to argue that Stevens had a better career then Messier did good luck to you.

Kara is the absolute most clueless hockey "writer" that there is out there.

Both Stevens and Mess had HOF, unbelievable careers, both are legends and they both have their place amoung the greats.

Congrats to Stevens on his fatastic career and I hope he enjoys his night.

BTW---notice how nobody from the arae teams are popping off shots at Stevens on his retirement night the way Marty had to at Messier on his retirement night? :dunno:

90% of Messier night was about the organization and fans clinging on to 1994 once again. Both players meant a lot to their teams, but the argument can be made that Stevens meant more since he helped turn the organization into a borderline dynasty, while Messier and the Rangers were little more than a one year wonder. Don't get me wrong, the '94 team was great and deserved to win, but where has the franchise gone since then?

BTW - I love Brodeur's comments from today's paper:

"It's definitely a great day for Devils' fans and the organization and Scotty being the first and building some history with the organization," Devils goaltender Martin Brodeur said. "It's well deserved. Seeing what the Rangers are doing all the time, when you look at what our captain did, it's a little more impressive as far as numbers with winning three Stanley Cups and getting to the Finals four times."

More like SIX Cups to 3 because while the Messier night at MSG was celebrating his NYR career it was also a celebration of his career and if you want to argue that Stevens had a better career then Messier did good luck to you.

Kara is the absolute most clueless hockey "writer" that there is out there.

Both Stevens and Mess had HOF, unbelievable careers, both are legends and they both have their place amoung the greats.

Congrats to Stevens on his fatastic career and I hope he enjoys his night.

BTW---notice how nobody from the arae teams are popping off shots at Stevens on his retirement night the way Marty had to at Messier on his retirement night? :dunno:


While Messier might of won 5 cups with the Edmonton Oilers and One with NY, they did play two different positions so you can't compare apples to oranges. Stevens was one of the most Dominant "stay at home" Defenseman ever. His impact is beyond the pale. He lifted the whole Devils organization and epitomized Devils hockey.

So don't try to sit and say that Messier had a more storied career, his stats were padded when he was in Edmonton and a few years in New York. While you want to include Messier Oilers, because his New York years were on the tailend of his career, he overstayed 5/6 years. So Messier put up more points and nobody is going to take away from that.

90% of Messier night was about the organization and fans clinging on to 1994 once again. Both players meant a lot to their teams, but the argument can be made that Stevens meant more since he helped turn the organization into a borderline dynasty, while Messier and the Rangers were little more than a one year wonder. Don't get me wrong, the '94 team was great and deserved to win, but where has the franchise gone since then?

BTW - I love Brodeur's comments from today's paper:

"It's definitely a great day for Devils' fans and the organization and Scotty being the first and building some history with the organization," Devils goaltender Martin Brodeur said. "It's well deserved. Seeing what the Rangers are doing all the time, when you look at what our captain did, it's a little more impressive as far as numbers with winning three Stanley Cups and getting to the Finals four times."

Once again Marty says it best.

BTW - I love Brodeur's comments from today's paper:

"It's definitely a great day for Devils' fans and the organization and Scotty being the first and building some history with the organization," Devils goaltender Martin Brodeur said. "It's well deserved. Seeing what the Rangers are doing all the time, when you look at what our captain did, it's a little more impressive as far as numbers with winning three Stanley Cups and getting to the Finals four times."

What is Marty's problem with ALWAYS having to include the NYR's with everything?

Obviously it kills him that the NJD's get little attention no matter what they accomplish but Marty simply has no class and is constantly running his mouth.

Once again this is about Stevens great career and nothing else and once again Marty, just like he did when Mess was being honored has to try and take shots always discrediting others. :shakehead

As I said, how would NJD fans as well as players feel about some NYR like Jagr bring up the fact that Stevens had to be dragged to NJ kicking and screaming afetr being awarded from St louis and then negotiated illegally to return to the Blues while still being Devil property?

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What is Marty's problem with ALWAYS having to include the NYR's with everything?

Obviously it kills him that the NJD's get little attention no matter what they accomplish but Marty simply has no class and is constantly running his mouth.

Once again this is about Stevens great career and nothing else and once again Marty, just like he did when Mess was being honored has to try and take shots always discrediting others. :shakehead

As I said, how would NJD fans as well as players feel about some NYR like Jagr bring up the fact that Stevens had to be dragged to NJ kicking and screaming afetr being awarded from St louis and then negotiated illegally to return to the Blues while still being Devil property?

Kicking and screaming so much he's still with organization. You're a tool, you always manage to work that into the conversation. Get over yourself. If he wanted to rip the Rangers, he could something to affect of "The currency situation is so bad for small market Canadian teams that the Rangers have won with a squad loaded with exOilers."

Marty and the Devils are epitome of class in terms of organizations, so much that the Flyers and the Rangers have try to build clone organizations. They all play the trap, but they call it defensive hockey.

Kicking and screaming so much he's still with organization. You're a tool, you always manage to work that into the conversation.

Marty and the Devils are epitome of class in terms of organizations, so much that the Flyers and the Rangers have try to build clone organizations. They all play the trap, but they call it defensive hockey.

Are you saying that what I posted isn't true? :sarcasm:

Please, please ATTEMPT to make that arguement to me.

And even your more level headed Devils admit that Marty has foot in mouth disease and spouts off too much.

Not many would call Marty the epitome of class.

What is Marty's problem with ALWAYS having to include the NYR's with everything?

Obviously it kills him that the NJD's get little attention no matter what they accomplish but Marty simply has no class and is constantly running his mouth.

Once again this is about Stevens great career and nothing else and once again Marty, just like he did when Mess was being honored has to try and take shots always discrediting others. :shakehead

As I said, how would NJD fans as well as players feel about some NYR like Jagr bring up the fact that Stevens had to be dragged to NJ kicking and screaming afetr being awarded from St louis and then negotiated illegally to return to the Blues while still being Devil property?

Ha! I knew you'd love that quote. I ****ing hate Messier and I'm glad Marty does too. The Messier hype is way too overblown by the Rangers and media and Marty is just telling it like it is.

Think about it - If the Devils had scored before Matteau in OT of Game 7, Messier night would have never happened. That's the difference between him being a god-like idol to Ranger fans vs. just a great player who's best years were with another team. One goal. I doubt #11 is hanging from MSG today had the puck taken a different bounce earlier in that game. That's why non-Ranger fans are so sick of the hype. You'd think he lead some great dynasty with all the hype he had, but what else did that team accomplish out of '94? You can't look at Stevens' contribution and point to one moment, that had it turned out differently would have totally redefined his legacy with the team.

I don't think Marty is the epitome of class.

I'm still glad he's my goaltender though.

Are you saying that what I posted isn't true? :sarcasm:

Please, please ATTEMPT to make that arguement to me.

And even your more level headed Devils admit that Marty has foot in mouth disease and spouts off too much.

Not many would call Marty the epitome of class.

Once again, you are one of the absolute LAST HF posters that should be talking about class. I thought that point was already proven in your little *****-fest thread after those original comments Marty made that hurt your feelings. You're coming on to the Devils section of the board to try to rip Brodeur and then talk about how tickets are available...yeah, real classy buddy....

Are you saying that what I posted isn't true? :sarcasm:

Please, please ATTEMPT to make that arguement to me.

And even your more level headed Devils admit that Marty has foot in mouth disease and spouts off too much.

Not many would call Marty the epitome of class.

Read the article in nj.com, it explains the whole case of Stevens to the Devils saga.

He may of wanted to stay in St. Louis, after all, he just left the Caps so why keep moving around? The fact he never left the organization is what's important.

Where did end of finishing his career? He hated it so much he makes NJ his home and works with the Devils. You wished it turned out differently, but it didn't, so :p: . Its eats you up so much.


As for Brodeur,
You mean to tell what Brodeur did by signing long term for less money is not a classy thing?

As for Hockey's player PERSONAL lives, I've heard enough about Messier and other players off ice antics and his orientation, so if we're judging athletes for their personal choices, then we're eliminating alot of candidates for the term class.

Too bad about Messier not coming through on Guarantee 2.

I don't think Marty is the epitome of class.

I'm still glad he's my goaltender though.

I'm strictly talking about his respect to the Devils organization, his personal life aside. Him signing a deal similar to his and wanting to be a Devil for life and beyond.

I'm strictly talking about his respect to the Devils organization, his personal life aside. Him signing a deal similar to his and wanting to be a Devil for life and beyond.

That's why I'm so happy about him being our franchise goalie. :)

Scott Stevens could have left the Devils after the 1994-95 season, but he chose not to. He could have gone to St. Louis or VANCOUVER or where ever, but he took less money to stay in New Jersey. Why did he do this? Because he knew, unlike players like say Bruce Driver or Bobby Holik, just to choose two random Devils, his best chance to win more Championships was to stay in East Rutherford.

But to stay on topic, Stevens was clearly more important to the Devils than Messier was to the New York Oilers. The Devils probably don't win their three Cups without Scott Stevens, while the Rangers don't win their one Cup over the last 65 years without Brian Leetch and all the other ex-Oilers.

Read the article in nj.com, it explains the whole case of Stevens to the Devils saga.

He may of wanted to stay in St. Louis, after all, he just left the Caps so why keep moving around? The fact he never left the organization is what's important.

Where did end of finishing his career? He hated it so much he makes NJ his home and works with the Devils. You wished it turned out differently, but it didn't, so :p: . Its eats you up so much.


As for Brodeur,
You mean to tell what Brodeur did by signing long term for less money is not a classy thing?

As for Hockey's player PERSONAL lives, I've heard enough about Messier and other players off ice antics and his orientation, so if we're judging athletes for their personal choices, then we're eliminating alot of candidates for the term class.

Too bad about Messier not coming through on Guarantee 2.

Did he or did he not negoitiate w/St Louis while STILL being Devil property thus looking to bolt BEFORE he was even able to legally do so?

It got uncovered and tampering charges were filed as a result.

As for Marty, I'm glad you think because he reupped longterm that that makes him a classy guy.

Of course him taking shots at Mess on his retirement night is the epitome of class and him having to drag the NYR's into the equation today as he always does is also an example of his class.

I wonder if you think it would be classy of Mess if he were to say to a reporter that tonight is a joke compared to his because you can still get tickets from ticketmaster 2 hours before gametime thus showing the NJD fans lack of respect for their beloved Captain who has meant so much?

That would be a classless move and I'd quickly say as much but you on the other hand applaud Marty for doing likewise to Mess on his night.

The St. Louis offer-sheet was matched by Lou Lamoriello. Stevens could have left after that season, but he instead signed a long-term deal for less money than he was worth to remain in New Jersey.

Messier on the other hand, he bolted for Vancouver and more money after he had a history with the Rangers. That shows me what kind of guy he is.

The St. Louis offer-sheet was matched by Lou Lamoriello. Stevens could have left after that season, but he instead signed a long-term deal for less money than he was worth to remain in New Jersey.

Messier on the other hand, he bolted for Vancouver and more money after he had a history with the Rangers. That shows me what kind of guy he is.

Yeah because it the NYR-Mess parting was all about money...you sure know what you're talking about.

Money wasn't the problem, Checketts and Smith wanted to go in another direction and wouldn't offer Mess any more than a 1 yr deal, thus saying hit the road Mark.

Do you honestly think for one second that Mess wanted to leave NYC?

Stevens on the other hand had to be dragged to NJ and then negotiated illegally while still Devil property and wnet ahead and signed with another team to bolt NJ before he was even allowed to do so!

If that doesn't scream commitment I don't know what does!

Yeah because it the NYR-Mess parting was all about money...you sure know what you're talking about.

Money wasn't the problem, Checketts and Smith wanted to go in another direction and wouldn't offer Mess any more than a 1 yr deal, thus saying hit the road Mark.

Do you honestly think for one second that Mess wanted to leave NYC?
You know there's a 73 page thread from a few weeks ago that you can talk in.
I don't think there's anymore that can be said here that wasn't said there.
Seriously, stop trolling and get the eff out.

You know there's a 73 page thread from a few weeks ago that you can talk in.
I don't think there's anymore that can be said here that wasn't said there.
Seriously, stop trolling and get the eff out.

maybe you should realize that this once again is a thread started by Devil fans about dragging Mess and the NYR's into the equation so if you don't like it don't read it.

I don't see why you have to downplay another future HOF:er when celebrating Stevens. What Brodeur said on the Messier night was unnecessary. Stop comparing these players and just enjoy the show tonight.

I agree whole hardly with the article. Stevens was a better captain for the Devils and accomplished more then Mess did with the Rangers. That's a fact no one can deny!

why were the fans booing Lou

why were the fans booing Lou

Please tell me you are being sarcastic!?!?!

Are you saying that what I posted isn't true? :sarcasm:

Please, please ATTEMPT to make that arguement to me.

And even your more level headed Devils admit that Marty has foot in mouth disease and spouts off too much.

Not many would call Marty the epitome of class.
Messier will be remembered as an Oiler, not a Ranger. Stevens will be remembered as Devil, not a Capital..

Period.

[QUOTE=devils1983]Please tell me you are being sarcastic!?!?![/QUOTE

Im not

Messier will be remembered as an Oiler, not a Ranger. Stevens will be remembered as Devil, not a Capital..

Period.

The "Moose's" jersey will be retired next year here in Edmonton.

[QUOTE=devils1983]Please tell me you are being sarcastic!?!?![/QUOTE

Im not

You must be a new fan to the Devils then.

[QUOTE=devil122]

You must be a new fan to the Devils then.

just tell me and Im a fan since 1999

[QUOTE=devils1983]

just tell me and Im a fan since 1999

You asked "why were the fans booing Lou?"...let me ask you this question:

"What would rhymes with "Boo"?

[QUOTE=devil122]

You asked "why were the fans booing Lou?"...let me ask you this question:

"What would rhymes with "Boo"?
so they were calling "Lou"

But Messier's guarantee was, in fact, delivered. .... "...what if...."?
Messier himself said the media made more of that quote than it was. He even went on to say every hockey player would say the same thing in that situation, following a Game 5 playoff loss. Maybe they should have retired the journalist press badge # and pinned it to Messier's banner. Oh wait now you're gonna ask what about Mess's hat trick in Game 6?

Answer:

3 is still > 1

[QUOTE=devils1983]
so they were calling "Lou"


Yep

Messier himself said the media made more of that quote than it was. He even went on to say every hockey player would say the same thing in that situation, following a Game 5 playoff loss. Maybe they should have retired the journalist press badge # and pinned it to Messier's banner. Oh wait now you're gonna ask what about Mess's hat trick in Game 6?

Answer:

3 is still > 1


and 6>3, whats your point?

Thank You Scottie, :clap: , :clap: , :clap: Thank you Scottie, :clap: , :clap: , :clap: ...

Would have been nice if Elias got the C tonight.

Ah I click the link and see the article is from non other then "Clueless Kara". Only she would spend time making an article like that. Both were great players with great careers and both had a great ceremonies but she just had to try to stir something up. Is the sporting news really getting desperate for hockey writers these days?

and 6>3, whats your point?
Messier brought 6 Cups to to New York?
Messier Captained 6 Stanley Cup Championship winning teams?

I want what you are smoking.

It was Stevens' agent who acted illegally; Stevens had no idea what was going on. He did not actually sign the offer sheet with St. Louis until he was able to.

Before Stevens the Devils played 9 seasons, made the playoffs and finished above .500 twice. Since Stevens arrived they have missed the playoffs once and never finished below .500. You can trace the rise of the Devils franchise directly to the arrival of Stevens. He transformed the Devils from a laughingstock to an elite team. As much as Rangers love it, 1994 was just one year. It is no contest comparing what they meant and did for the two New York area teams.

Ah I click the link and see the article is from non other then "Clueless Kara". Only she would spend time making an article like that. Both were great players with great careers and both had a great ceremonies but she just had to try to stir something up. Is the sporting news really getting desperate for hockey writers these days? Hockey has been the forgotten sport with The Sporting News this season. Most weeks there isn't a single article or mention of the NHL in their weekly publication. The NHL is still locked out from their point of view.