The official Germany-Thread!!

Here is the pre-roster of Germany:

Tor: Müller (Krefeld), Greiss (Köln), Kotschnew (Iserlohn)

Verteidigung: S. Goc (Hannover), Leask (Berlin), Bazany, Sulzer (beide Düsseldorf), Schauer (Nürnberg), Renz, Kopitz (beide Köln)

Sturm: Benda (Litvinov/CZ), Ustorf, Felski, Busch (alle Berlin), Boos, Furchner, Lewandowski (alle Köln), Kathan, Kreutzer (beide Düsseldorf), A. Barta (Hamburg), Martinec, Fical (beide Nürnberg), Hackert (Frankfurt)

Dazu stoßen später T Kölzig (Washington), V Ehrhoff (San Jose), Schubert (Ottawa), D. Seidenberg (Philadelphia), S Hecht (Buffalo), Sturm (Boston), M. Goc (San Jose)

http://www.hockeyweb.de/index.php?action=ART&aNr=18683

What are your expectations for this tournament??

Greetings from Berlin

I'm intersted in this Michael Hackert that left Detroit earlier this season. Has anyone seen him play?

Hechtor!

Seidenberg plays for Phoenix, not Philadelphia.

I'm intersted in this Michael Hackert that left Detroit earlier this season. Has anyone seen him play?
A few times with the Griffins when they came to Cleveland and once in Frankfurt against Cologne. Seems to be rounding into good shape after barely playing in Grand Rapids. Currently has influenza and might not play in the game against Krefeld tomorrow

Here is the pre-roster of Germany:

Tor: Müller (Krefeld), Greiss (Köln), Kotschnew (Iserlohn)

Verteidigung: S. Goc (Hannover), Leask (Berlin), Bazany, Sulzer (beide Düsseldorf), Schauer (Nürnberg), Renz, Kopitz (beide Köln)

Sturm: Benda (Litvinov/CZ), Ustorf, Felski, Busch (alle Berlin), Boos, Furchner, Lewandowski (alle Köln), Kathan, Kreutzer (beide Düsseldorf), A. Barta (Hamburg), Martinec, Fical (beide Nürnberg), Hackert (Frankfurt)

Dazu stoßen später T Kölzig (Washington), V Ehrhoff (San Jose), Schubert (Ottawa), D. Seidenberg (Philadelphia), S Hecht (Buffalo), Sturm (Boston), M. Goc (San Jose)

http://www.hockeyweb.de/index.php?action=ART&aNr=18683

What are your expectations for this tournament??

Greetings from Berlin
I'm actually pretty excited. I think they will surprise some people. Things are continuing to move in the right direction for the German program. Can't wait for the tourney

Did Luedemann retire from the national side? Otherwise I see no reason to leave him out.

Would have preffered to see Hoerdler instead of Leask in defense. And am not that sure about some of the forwards either. Well lets see how they they do.

No players from Mannheim. Well even having the best youth team will not help unless you give the players a chance in the DEL.

Schubert was just 19 in the '02 Olympics and he was great, hopefully he can do that again.

I'll be interested to see how many German guys are wearing T-blades.

The performances of our NHLers will make or break this team, as always. The DEL players on their own would get trounced by the top 7 and will have to battle hard against the smaller nations. Lüdemann retired from the national team in 2004 to concentrate on his club career with Cologne and probably also because Hans Zach was canned as national coach.

After the debacle that was Greg Poss (relegation to Div I after last year's WCs) it'll be interesting to see how new head coach Uwe Krupp will do. "Huey" has had the best NHL career of any German so far in history and should thus have everyone's respect, but he has no head coaching experience on the senior level.

Krupp's lack of experience could be an absolute killer for the German's. I am wishing them well but coaching is tough enough without jumping head first into the Olympics where some really accomplished coaches and programs are waiting. Say what you will about Zach but he had a system and stuck to it. I was not a fan of it but he had most players playing it and they were reasonably successful.

I'll be interested to see how many German guys are wearing T-blades.
worst thing ever. The concept isnt technically sound. How can steel good enough to hold an edge for 2-4 times longer than regular steel only cost $15? Seriously, it doesnt work. Half the time the t-blades arent even level. Crap, crap, crap. :shakehead

Krupp was interviewed yesterday on Home Ice station on XM radio. Feels this is the best team Germany has had and believes they will play well in Turin. Anyone else hear that yesterday? Obviously nothing earth shattering,but nice that they got Krupp on about Team Germany!

Does anybody know if the German-games will be on free TV in Germany? ANd what about other games? Would love to watch Nabby and Russia or Thornton and Canada...

I too feel this is one of the best teams Germany has iced in a long time. Certainly on paper they are stronger than the 2002 SLC team that acquitted itself very well. The only disappointing area I can find is that some of the younger players were left off the pre-Olympic roster in favor of guys like Leask and Bazany. While they are probably very helpful in the development of some of the younger players, they are also keeping them from receiving extremely valuable exposure to international competition.

Also, I think the 2010 German may be the strongest ever. Gawlik, Gogulla, the current NHL’ers, Greiss….

worst thing ever. The concept isnt technically sound. How can steel good enough to hold an edge for 2-4 times longer than regular steel only cost $15? Seriously, it doesnt work. Half the time the t-blades arent even level. Crap, crap, crap. :shakehead

I would tend to disagree, I love T-blades, not only do they last longer, but they also get hotter which cuts the ice better.

I expect another great rival game between the Switzerland and good ol' Germany. But you guys have no chance, like everytime... :yo:

Hope Krupp doesn't mess it up like your old coach, he was horrible!!!

Anyway, good luck to our big canton Germany... ;)

Krupp was interviewed yesterday on Home Ice station on XM radio. Feels this is the best team Germany has had and believes they will play well in Turin. Anyone else hear that yesterday? Obviously nothing earth shattering,but nice that they got Krupp on about Team Germany!

Did he mention if Greiss was gonna see any action? I'd imagine Muller (sorry don't know how to work accents) would be the back up with his experience. Team Germany will definitely be the team I'm rooting for in any case. Time for Ehrhoff to take it up a notch...show the peoples in San Jose what they got ahead of em.

Did he mention if Greiss was gonna see any action? I'd imagine Muller (sorry don't know how to work accents) would be the back up with his experience. Team Germany will definitely be the team I'm rooting for in any case. Time for Ehrhoff to take it up a notch...show the peoples in San Jose what they got ahead of em.I didn't hear him mention anything. I may have missed some of it. I think I heard a condensed version of yesterday's interview. He only mentioned Kolzig and how important he would be in their possible sucess. The only players Krupp talked about were NHLers. He didn't mention any of the guys from the DEL.

I didn't hear him mention anything. I may have missed some of it. I think I heard a condensed version of yesterday's interview. He only mentioned Kolzig and how important he would be in their possible sucess. The only players Krupp talked about were NHLers. He didn't mention any of the guys from the DEL.

What did he have to say about Goc or Ehrhoff, if at all?

Question: Does anyone know if Sturm will be wearing #16 on the team now that he wears that for Boston? Or will he stick with #19 from his time with the Sharks & previous national teams?


Also, any word on who's wearing the C and the A's yet? Or the taxi squad?

Thanks.

Oh, and I think this German team wil surprise a lot of people. I don't expect a ton of upsets, but I've seen people rank them behind the Swiss and the Latvians, and I think that's a big mistake.

What did he have to say about Goc or Ehrhoff, if at all?
He mentioned them both as the next generation of German stars. Said they have only begun to show what they will be able to do. Give them a few years and you will see how good they are. In Ehrhoffs case some ice time would help!!! :rant:

Does anybody know if the German-games will be on free TV in Germany? ANd what about other games? Would love to watch Nabby and Russia or Thornton and Canada...

In 2002 ARD and ZDF carried many games (if not all of them?) and I hope that they will do it again this time around.

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/7/0,1872,3723015,00.html

Lot's of info is missing, but I'm sure they will update it soon.

I also would take Frank Hördler(born 1985), who is one of the best defenders at the "Eisbären Berlin". I think he has the second best +/- statistics!! And Gogulla or Gawlik should be taken over Martinec!!!

For the next worldcup there are really good possibilities...Michael Wolf(Iserlohn), Boris Blank(Krefeld), Thomas Dolak(Hannover), Robert Hock(Hannover), Anton Bader and Michael Waginger(Duisburg), P.Reimer and Thomas Jörg(Düsseldorf), Andre Rankel(Eisbären Berlin), Erich Goldmann etc..

Could someone say something about Lukas Slavetinsky(Hamburg Freezers - coming from the third league), who seems to impress...has someone seen him play??

Greetings from Berlin

Does anybody know if the German-games will be on free TV in Germany? ANd what about other games? Would love to watch Nabby and Russia or Thornton and Canada...

Let's hope everyone has DVB, EinsFestival will have lots of hockey. 24 live games according to this:

http://forum.digitalfernsehen.de/forum/showpost.php?p=1155257&postcount=47

If the above is right only two games won't be shown (USA-KAZ and LAT-KAZ), everything else at least partially.

In Ehrhoffs case some ice time would help!!! :rant:

That's what I've been screaming.

Kölzig is a joke, im sorry.
I mean that, no trolling or anything. If he had not been pulled for Jonas by Berlin in the semi's last year, Ingolstadt would have easily taken the series.

To have Kölzig on the olympic team may be wise, because he is a verry ecperienced player who can be tossed into any situation, so he is a perfect backup and an inspiration. But as starter? Müller has showcased his skills on international level a lot of times already, and he is simply a notch better than Kölzig. That, plus him beeing young, "real" German makes him the best choice. Jonas has not had his best season so far, so even though i like the guy, Greiss is such a talent he simply has to be pushed by taking him along.

Greiss is easily the best Goalie germany can field, but he is also young, and inexperienced, so there are risks. Let the guy loose a big game and you may destroy his career that way, he's only 18 isn't he?

From a pure sports perspective, what Greiss can do is 2 levels above Kölzig and Co, as shocking as that is. He's a "once every one hundret years talent".

I'm sorry but by no means is Robert Müller a better goalie than Olaf Kölzig. I'm no Kölzig fan but come on, Olie is an NHL veteran. Müller is not and never will be. It's as simple as that and a single DEL playoff round won't change that. Kölzig will be our #1 goalie, Müller will be his backup and probably gets some starts in the early games before the NHLers arrive. I'm fine with that. Goal scoring will be the bigger challenge anyway.

And Greiss is a huge talent but he'll be turning only 20 tomorrow. The Olympics will be a great experience for him and Kotschnew but I don't expect them to get any ice time unless there's an emergency. These two as well as Pätzold and Ehelechner are all in their early twenties, will be interesting to see them fighting for national team spots in the future. But as of right now, Olie is the man.

To have Kölzig on the olympic team may be wise, because he is a verry ecperienced player who can be tossed into any situation, so he is a perfect backup and an inspiration. But as starter? Müller has showcased his skills on international level a lot of times already, and he is simply a notch better than Kölzig.




I think that' quite ridiculous, we're talking about a top-10 NHL goalie in the past 10 years and a Vezina winner in 2000.

Anyway, I'll be cheering Germany on, being from Croatia and a Sabre fan... So, here's to the Hechtor (fo#9's name earlier in the thread :D).... My sedonf team behind the Czechs. :jump:

Kölzig is a joke, im sorry.
I mean that, no trolling or anything. If he had not been pulled for Jonas by Berlin in the semi's last year, Ingolstadt would have easily taken the series.

To have Kölzig on the olympic team may be wise, because he is a verry ecperienced player who can be tossed into any situation, so he is a perfect backup and an inspiration. But as starter? Müller has showcased his skills on international level a lot of times already, and he is simply a notch better than Kölzig. That, plus him beeing young, "real" German makes him the best choice. Jonas has not had his best season so far, so even though i like the guy, Greiss is such a talent he simply has to be pushed by taking him along.

Greiss is easily the best Goalie germany can field, but he is also young, and inexperienced, so there are risks. Let the guy loose a big game and you may destroy his career that way, he's only 18 isn't he?

From a pure sports perspective, what Greiss can do is 2 levels above Kölzig and Co, as shocking as that is. He's a "once every one hundret years talent".


Kölzig wasn't pulled, he was injured. That's the reason he didn't play in the World Championships afterwards. If we had him instead of Müller and Jonas, we wouldn't have been relegated.
Müller, when on top of his game, which hasn't happened in quite a while, can be an exceptional goalie, but his average play isn't even close to Kölzig's average play, nor is he even close to Közig, when Kölzig is on top of his game.

And what's the bs talk about being a "real" German again?
Kölzig is a real German, he is of German origin, his parents are German, he always had a German ID and he spent most of the summers during his youth in Germany. Being born or growing up away from your country doesn't really mean anything, or are Dany Heatley and Bruce Willis Germans?

And what's the bs talk about being a "real" German again?
Kölzig is a real German, he is of German origin, his parents are German, he always had a German ID and he spent most of the summers during his youth in Germany. Being born or growing up away from your country doesn't really mean anything, or are Dany Heatley and Bruce Willis Germans?"Origin" shouldn't matter, but if you want to use the parents' nationality as criteria, then yes Heatley is just as German as he's Canadian. He grew up in Canada, though (like Kölzig), and that's what makes him Canadian.

From a pure sports perspective, what Greiss can do is 2 levels above Kölzig and Co, as shocking as that is. He's a "once every one hundret years talent".

Holy schnikeys, I jock Greiss about as hard as anyone on there but this is taking it up to notches not even on the dials. He ain't Wayne Gretzky or Bobby Orr here. Maybe for the German hockey program, that statement is true :sarcasm: but best case scenario is that this kid will be the starter for his team, maybe some hardware, and put on some great numbers to make people's top 10 list but he won't be re-writing the record books anytime soon.

To even suggest he is (or Muller which is more disgusting) already more of a player than Kolzig is near pathetic.

Kölzig USED to be good; Now he's just old, injury prone, and most of all he has never been a real member of the german national squad. He turned the team down most of the time, and was included on the roster a couple of time in prestigeous tourneys even though he wasn't fit.

Müller, Greiss, and Jonas are significantly better than him. However you can of course still give a lot of credit to his name, so it is quite possible that an Jaromir Jagr plays "more complicated" against him than against some German Nobody, who he doesn't even consider to be an obstacle between him and the net.

And my comment towards real german: kölzig isn't. Any canadien who played here in the DEL for 10+ years is more than him. To me its not about origin, but about the center of your life.

Anyway Goalkeeping is the least of our problems, we always were the best defensive team on the planet. Problem is we can't score and you can't defend Teams like Sweden or Chech republic for 60 minutes, so we loose. We loose with tight and honerable results but we never had a real chance of actually winning...

So thats my wish for the Olympic Touney: i'd like them to give one of the big 7 a real run for their money by netting some shots of our own!

Kölzig is a joke, im sorry.
I mean that, no trolling or anything. If he had not been pulled for Jonas by Berlin in the semi's last year, Ingolstadt would have easily taken the series.

To have Kölzig on the olympic team may be wise, because he is a verry ecperienced player who can be tossed into any situation, so he is a perfect backup and an inspiration. But as starter? Müller has showcased his skills on international level a lot of times already, and he is simply a notch better than Kölzig. That, plus him beeing young, "real" German makes him the best choice. Jonas has not had his best season so far, so even though i like the guy, Greiss is such a talent he simply has to be pushed by taking him along.

Greiss is easily the best Goalie germany can field, but he is also young, and inexperienced, so there are risks. Let the guy loose a big game and you may destroy his career that way, he's only 18 isn't he?

From a pure sports perspective, what Greiss can do is 2 levels above Kölzig and Co, as shocking as that is. He's a "once every one hundret years talent".

Real German? You mean with blonde hair and blue eyes? :shakehead

To me it seems that you are just pissed that Berlin managed to beat your favorite team. You seriously downgrade one of the better goalies in the NHL. He's facing the best players in the world on a nightly basis.

Kölzig and Ovechkin are the two towers in the battle for the Caps and Olaf has managed to steal a couple of games for his team. Teams that are in need of a goaltender will outbid themself for Kölzig at the trading deadline, if he's willing to leave the Caps.

Kölzig USED to be good

Ask the Caps fans who gives them a shot to win a game?

we always were the best defensive team on the planet.

To quote Iron Maiden: "Run to the hills!"

"Origin" shouldn't matter, but if you want to use the parents' nationality as criteria, then yes Heatley is just as German as he's Canadian. He grew up in Canada, though (like Kölzig), and that's what makes him Canadian.

Totally forgot that his mother is German :innocent:

Origin should matter. If your family lived in another country for a few generations, then you don't have much to do with your country of origin, but for a guy like Kölzig that isn't the case. If his parents would have spend their whole lives in Canada, because their parents already lived there, you could think about Kölzig not being a German, but Kölzig's parents don't have anything to do with any country not named Germany.

Real German in sports means someone who has enough link to the country he plays for.
I realize you may have more trouble understanding this perspective since your league (the NHL i guess) does not have an "Foreign Players Problem". Here we have.
Youn and talented german players do not get ice time in their own league because it is way easier to buy some 40 year old nhl veteran who wants to make some pocket money, or any second level kinda AHL player than to build up young german players.

Prblem is the fans don't identify with teams full of legionairs. It is safe to say that the vast majority of Fans in the Stands don't want to see Kölzig - at all. His Berlin Adventure (Where he stole Jona's job, played like pure ****, and then was sent home after Jonas announced he'd leave the Club for Colone because he was so pissed) did not add many people to his fan's list.

He may be a big number in North America, which is why Krupp (who is NA basically) favours him, but "at home" nobody want's him. And again, it doesn't make a diffrence who minds the net if the game is 2 or 3 to nothing. What we need is some more coolness in front of the net on international level from Guys like Kreutzer, who could easily skate with the very best NHL'ers btw, don't be so narrow minded.

Yes, we Germans sure don't know anything about other Germans... :rolleyes:
You are talking to other Germans here, we know the DEL and I haven't seen many German hockey fans, who would prefer Müller or Jonas over Kölzig. Everyone knows that we don't have a chance without Kölzig in goal.


As for Müller, Jonas or Greiss being better than Kölzig, they are not even close to him right now. Greiss is a great talent and he is playing a fantastic season, but he hasn't proven anything past that. Lets see him make an NHL-roster, before declaring him better than an elite starting goalie with many years of experience and a Vezina Trophy...

Müller and Jonas get shelled quite often in the DEL, I don't want to know how they would fare in the NHL.


Apart from that, you don't seem to read what was written by others. Kölzig was NOT sent home, he was injured. That's why he didn't play in the World Championships, which lead to Müller and Jonas playing, quite badly actually, and us getting relegated.
He didn't steal anybody's job either. He actually spend most of the lockout as goalie coach for his former junior team, He only came over because he wanted to play in the World Championships and the only chance to do so, was to get playing time before that. If Berlin wouldn't have signed him, someone else would have, and Berlin would have thought about getting another goalie as well...

Krupp isn't the reason why Kölzig is the no.1, every German coach had Kölzig as the clear cut starter and I would say they know a bit more about their goaltenders then you do.
Krupp isn't favouring NA players, he is actually the reason why Greiss will go to the Olympics, instead of guys like Jonas.


Kreutzer could play in the NHL, I agree, but he isn't even close to "the very best" players of the NHL. Just look at Hackert, who is a great player in the DEL, but couldn't even make it in the AHL.
It doesn't have anything to do with being narrow-minded, it's about looking at things how they are...

Real German? You mean with blonde hair and blue eyes? :shakehead


Please no political things here...

Greetings from Berlin

Here is an interesting article about Christian Ehrhoff(San José) and German hockey:

Only 23, Ehroff an
international veteran

http://www.nhl.com/olympics/2006/ehrhoff012706.html

Please no political things here...

Greetings from Berlin

Why do you quote me? I didn't started it.

What do you think, what posters from other countries think, when they read a post about "real" Germans?

I consider this issue as solved, because Force has explained his point.

Didn't Germany find its way into B group at the Worlds? Playing guys like Erhoff and Kölzig...?

Real German in sports means someone who has enough link to the country he plays for.

So, I guess entire Germany must hate seeing Dirk Nowitzki, Patrick Femmerling, Roller... And a bunch of naturlized Germans grabbing medals in basketball, huh? :sarcasm:

Prblem is the fans don't identify with teams full of legionairs. It is safe to say that the vast majority of Fans in the Stands don't want to see Kölzig - at all.

It's 2006. Fans identify with their national teams. In a world or equality and democracy, players are going to change national teams for one reason or another on occasion.




:shakehead

BTW, is Dirk Nowitzki a "real" German then? Of Polish origin and living in the USA. :dunno:

Didn't Germany find its way into B group at the Worlds? Playing guys like Erhoff and Kölzig...?
Kolzig did not play. The team played incredibly poor hockey but will play much better in the Olympics.

Kolzig did not play. The team played incredibly poor hockey but will play much better in the Olympics.

My bad, meant to say Erhoff and Hecht.

BTW, is Dirk Nowitzki a "real" German then? Of Polish origin and living in the USA.

Erm we have some Problems here.
First of all, you don't know jack...

Dirk Nowitzki was born in Würzburg, Patrick Femerling was born in Düsseldorf, and Pascal Roller in Frankfurt.

http://www.basketball-bund.de/basketball-bund/de/teams/a_nationalmannschaft_herren/portraets/1399.html
http://www.basketball-bund.de/basketball-bund/de/teams/a_nationalmannschaft_herren/portraets/1392.html
http://www.basketball-bund.de/basketball-bund/de/teams/a_nationalmannschaft_herren/portraets/1385.html

Secondly, you mess up two topics. Which is actually my bad because i started to confuse them...

One thing is "Foreigners" taking the "Jobs" of german athletes; Which is a problem because when your favorite team fields 20 Canadiens and 2 Germans because the rules force the management to, then you don't see the point any longer why this is supposed to be the german league; (but in all fairness the DEL is aware of the problem and continues to adress it).

The other thing is search the passports of all NBA/NHL players to see if any of them has some german grand-grand-mom or something. Kölzig has tried to win the Fans in the most recent Tournaments he joined Team GER, you got to give him credit for that. But his career is coming to an end, and i'd rather see players who have their Careers in front of them get to play in an event as outstanding as the olypmics.

For the Record, a guy like Rob Leask who made Germany the center of his life, raises his kids here, played for 10 years or so, actually wanted the Nationality for more than just market-value reasons has every right to be considered "real". Home is where your heart is, thats my point.

Erm we have some Problems here.
First of all, you don't know jack...

Dirk Nowitzki was born in Würzburg, Patrick Femerling was born in Düsseldorf, and Pascal Roller in Frankfurt.

http://www.basketball-bund.de/basketball-bund/de/teams/a_nationalmannschaft_herren/portraets/1399.html
http://www.basketball-bund.de/basketball-bund/de/teams/a_nationalmannschaft_herren/portraets/1392.html
http://www.basketball-bund.de/basketball-bund/de/teams/a_nationalmannschaft_herren/portraets/1385.html

Secondly, you mess up two topics. Which is actually my bad because i started to confuse them...

One thing is "Foreigners" taking the "Jobs" of german athletes; Which is a problem because when your favorite team fields 20 Canadiens and 2 Germans because the rules force the management to, then you don't see the point any longer why this is supposed to be the german league; (but in all fairness the DEL is aware of the problem and continues to adress it).

The other thing is search the passports of all NBA/NHL players to see if any of them has some german grand-grand-mom or something. Kölzig has tried to win the Fans in the most recent Tournaments he joined Team GER, you got to give him credit for that. But his career is coming to an end, and i'd rather see players who have their Careers in front of them get to play in an event as outstanding as the olypmics.

For the Record, a guy like Rob Leask who made Germany the center of his life, raises his kids here, played for 10 years or so, actually wanted the Nationality for more than just market-value reasons has every right to be considered "real". Home is where your heart is, thats my point.
I like your argument. I still think Kolzig is the best option in net though and that is more important. I know if Oliver Kahn had a newfie mother I would not care if he was using her to play for Canada's national team.The team would have a higher profile but more importantly a better chance with him in it. I doubt Kolzig will play every game so we'll see what Muller or Greiss do with their chance when they get in.

On Kolzig, both of his parents are German, they resided in East Berlin, escaped to the west, and his father was in the hotel business. Hence why he was born in Johannesburg. From there they moved to Canada where he spent most of his life. He is definately of German origin. In fact he used to go over there every summer for a few weeks to visit his family (he and his parents are the only ones from his family who live outside of Germany. Actually, IIRC, his grand father was a physicist and risked a lot by escaping to the west. He speaks German, and has always been there for the National team (when not injured). I, as much as anybody, would love to see the younger German trained talent take over the roster (which I think will happen by the next Olympic games). However, at the present time, Kolzig is still an exceptional talent and the team needs him to stay competitive (although I think Muller and Greiss could do a fine job as well).

Good article on Ehrhoff, especially surprising since nhl.com seems to forget there are 5 other teams outside of the "Big-7". I really hope he, Schubert and Seidenberg can step up their games, like Luedemann did in the big tournaments.

Another question, why do they continue to play guys like Martinec and Fical when there are probably more 'deserving' players who could fill the roster? Is it the role that they play (defensive forward, playmaker)?

If his parents would have spend their whole lives in Canada, because their parents already lived there, you could think about Kölzig not being a German, but Kölzig's parents don't have anything to do with any country not named Germany.What about Benda, Martinec, Fical, Lewandowski, then, with that logic ? :dunno: I mean their parents don't have more to do with Germany than Kölzig's with Canada. Not that I have anything against Kölzig playing for Germany, but it seems origin doesn't matter all that much.

Actually they do, all of these players come from areas which were populated by Germans or even belonged to Germany.
As far as I know, Canada was never property of Germany, so that doesn't allow this comparison...

Actually they do, all of these players come from areas which were populated by Germans or even belonged to Germany.They're not of German origin themselves, though, that was the point.

As far as I know, Canada was never property of Germany, so that doesn't allow this comparison...Living in Canada for 20 years gives you strong ties to that country. I'd say merely being from a city where a handful of Germans used to live some 70 years ago doesn't give you the same kind of ties.

As someone from Hamburg yourself, do you feel strong ties with France ? :sarcasm:

Germany's new Nike Swift jersey is for sale now. I have to say that I'm disappointed. After unveiling that absolutely awesome design for the World Championships last year, they went and changed everything and made the new design absolutely horrible looking. And it's not even just because it's one of those slim-fitting Swift designs. I didn't like the Canada Swifts, but after seeing them in person, they weren't so bad. But the new Germany one looks awful.

http://www.rivercitysports.com/cda/final-04.cfm?league=INTERNATIONAL&team=GERMANY&category=JERSEYS&subcategory=REPLICA&colors=Black&proddesc=Nike%20Swift%20Replica%20Jerseys

Thank god Icejerseys is still selling the last year model.

Real German? You mean with blonde hair and blue eyes? :shakehead

I don't agree with everything force wrote mainly because he was contradicting himself like jekoh pointed out but he was clearly not going in that direction so I think that comment is a bit uncalled for.

Almost every Olympic hockey game is shown by ARD/ZDF. Here's the complete schedule:

15.02.
1130 KAZ-SWE zeitweise im ZDF
1300 ITA-CAN live EinsFestival, zeitweise im ZDF
1530 SUI-FIN zeitweise im ZDF
1700 GER-TCH live EinsFestival und ZDF, ab 1830 auch Eurosport
2000 RUS-SVK live EinsFestival, ab 2145 auch Eurosport
2100 LAT-USA vermutlich nach 2000-Spiel live EinsFestival, ab 2200 auch ZDF, ab 2215 auch Eurosport

16.02.
1200 FIN-ITA live EinsFestival
1300 TCH-SUI live EinsFestival, wohl nach 1200-Spiel
1600 SWE-RUS live EinsFestival, zeitweise auch ARD
1700 SVK-LAT live EinsFestival, wohl nach 1600-Spiel
2000 CAN-GER live EinsFestival und ARD
2100 USA-KAZ nicht geplant

18.02.
1130 KAZ-RUS zeitweise im ZDF
1300 ITA-GER live EinsFestival und ZDF
1530 CAN-SUI live EinsFestival, zeitweise auch ZDF
1700 SWE-LAT live EinsFestival, zeitweise auch ZDF
2000 SVK-USA live EinsFestival, zeitweise auch ZDF
2100 TCH-FIN ab 2200 live Eurosport

19.02.
1200 GER-SUI live EinsFestival und ZDF, ab 1330 auch Eurosport
1300 RUS-LAT live EinsFestival nach 1200-Spiel, zeitweise ZDF, ab 1415 auch Eurosport
1600 SVK-KAZ zeitweise im ZDF
1700 USA-SWE live EinsFestival, zeitweise im ZDF
2000 TCH-ITA live EinsFestivl, zeitweise im ZDF
2100 FIN-CAN zeitweise im ZDF, ab 2230 live Eurosport

21.02.
1130 LAT-KAZ nicht geplant
1230 SUI-ITA live EinsFestival
1530 FIN-GER live ARD
1630 CAN-TCH live EinsFestival
2000 SWE-SVK zeitweise ARD
2030 USA-RUS live EinsFestival, zeitweise ARD

22.02. Viertelfinale
1630 live EinsFestival, zeitweise im ZDF
1730 live EinsFestival
2030 live EinsFestival, zeitweise im ZDF, ab 2115 auch Eurosport
2130 live Eurosport (wohl erst nach 2030-Spiel), zeitweise im ZDF

24.02.Halbfinale
1630 live EinsFestival und Eurosport, zeitweise im ZDF
2100 live EinsFestival, ab 2130 auch Eurosport

EinsFestival - the Olympic hockey channel :handclap:

If you have digital free-tv that is ;)

Is that EinsFestival thing receiveable (damn what a word...) with the Premiere-Decoder. If it does... :handclap: :yo: :jump: :clap:

Is that EinsFestival thing receiveable (damn what a word...) with the Premiere-Decoder. If it does... :handclap: :yo: :jump: :clap:

Yes it is! :)

1630 CAN-TCH live EinsFestival

What? :eek:

I can't believe that they won't cover this one.

What? :eek:

I can't believe that they won't cover this one.
I guess, they don't wanna show the final twice ;-).

I guess, they don't wanna show the final twice ;-).

Haha. :)

Immer noch wach? Ach...die Pens spielen. ;)

Haha. :)

Immer noch wach? Ach...die Pens spielen. ;)
Und sie verlieren wieder :-/ ... zum 314. Mal diese Saison ...

To the person who says Switzerland will beat Germany, Germany destroys Switzerland in every category on paper (except maybe goaltending). Switzerland beating Germany would be a HUGE upset. That German team is looking pretty good, never knew there were so many prominent German players in the NHL. I think it's pretty clear that Germany will be the best of the lower tier teams, which include (in my mind) Italy, Switzerland, Kazakhstan (how do they keep making the olympics?!?! have they ever had an NHL player?), Latvia, and Germany. In a few more years Germany will probably be competing with the big time at the rate they're going.

To the person who says Switzerland will beat Germany, Germany destroys Switzerland in every category on paper (except maybe goaltending). Switzerland beating Germany would be a HUGE upset. That German team is looking pretty good, never knew there were so many prominent German players in the NHL. I think it's pretty clear that Germany will be the best of the lower tier teams, which include (in my mind) Italy, Switzerland, Kazakhstan (how do they keep making the olympics?!?! have they ever had an NHL player?), Latvia, and Germany. In a few more years Germany will probably be competing with the big time at the rate they're going.
The main thing with Germany will be if they can reach their potential. If they play the way they look on paper, they will beat the Swiss.
But who would've thought (prior to the WC 05) that the Germans would lose to Denmark ??

To the person who says Switzerland will beat Germany, Germany destroys Switzerland in every category on paper (except maybe goaltending). Switzerland beating Germany would be a HUGE upset. That German team is looking pretty good, never knew there were so many prominent German players in the NHL. I think it's pretty clear that Germany will be the best of the lower tier teams, which include (in my mind) Italy, Switzerland, Kazakhstan (how do they keep making the olympics?!?! have they ever had an NHL player?), Latvia, and Germany. In a few more years Germany will probably be competing with the big time at the rate they're going.
The one thing the Swiss have going for them is their continuity.Same coach for a long time and a core group of players that are all used to each other. The Germans are coming off relegation to Div 1 and have a very new and very green coach in Krupp. I like Germany's talent and spunk but it is not out of the realm of possibility that Switzerland could get by them. Games are not played on paper.

hey everyone from Germany, i am of german origin, and always cheer for germany after Canada, they usually arent a powerhouse team like Canada, Russia and the Czech's, but they do pretty well and work hard, like all german do.....I actually went to Germany this summer with my soccer team, i didnt get to see any hockey, with it being during the summer and my coaches strict on being there for soccer, lol, but i did get to see a German Bundesliga game (FC Koln against FSV Mainz, in Koln) and i loved the atmosphere, i have been to a couple NHL games, and the atmosphere is not even close to the atmosphere there, i hope its the same in the rinks in Germany...I have always been a fan of Marco Sturm, him being a shark for so long, and was sad to see him leave San Jose, but then again its Joe Thornton, i hope you guys can agree with me on that, lol. He is a speedy forward with a great finish, and looking at the roster, he should captain this team as well. Alright well good luck to you guys, and GO GERMANY!

May be old news, but the DEB website says that Germany's taxi squad will be Frank Hoerdler, Felix Petermann, and Yanic Seidenberg. At least I think that's what it's saying.



BTW, I hate to be a pest, but is there any word about Captains and alternates yet? Or jersey #s? My Germany jersey should be arriving on Tuesday, and I'd like to have it customized with Sturm's appropriate # and possible "C" in time for the start of the hockey.

All the indications on the DEB site are that Sturm is keeping #19, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him switch to #16 given the success he's had in Boston so far.

AFAIR Sturm was captain at the World Cup 2004. So I guess he will wear the C again, but maybe Hecht will do it like he did at the WC 05 (Sturm didn't participate).

May be old news, but the DEB website says that Germany's taxi squad will be Frank Hoerdler, Felix Petermann, and Yanic Seidenberg. At least I think that's what it's saying.



BTW, I hate to be a pest, but is there any word about Captains and alternates yet? Or jersey #s? My Germany jersey should be arriving on Tuesday, and I'd like to have it customized with Sturm's appropriate # and possible "C" in time for the start of the hockey.

All the indications on the DEB site are that Sturm is keeping #19, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him switch to #16 given the success he's had in Boston so far.

If you want to be seriously Cool, then you don't pick an NHL'ers Jersey #.
Pick Kreutzer or Benda or Kathan... or Ustdorf;

Der Kader für die Spiele in Salzburg und Köln:

Tor: Müller (Krefeld), Greiss (Köln), Kotschnew (Iserlohn)

Verteidigung: S. Goc (Hannover), Leask (Berlin), Bazany, Sulzer (beide Düsseldorf), Schauer (Nürnberg), Renz, Kopitz (beide Köln)

Sturm: Benda (Litvinov/CZ), Ustorf, Felski, Busch (alle Berlin), Boos, Furchner, Lewandowski (alle Köln), Kathan, Kreutzer (beide Düsseldorf), A. Barta (Hamburg), Martinec, Fical (beide Nürnberg), Hackert (Frankfurt)

Dazu stoßen später T Kölzig (Washington), V Ehrhoff (San Jose), Schubert (Ottawa), D. Seidenberg (Philadelphia), S Hecht (Buffalo), Sturm (Boston), M. Goc (San Jose)

Although I'm definetely not an Eisbären-Berlin-fan, Christoph Gawlik seems to play better and better and he scored another goal against Frankfurt and has now 20 points(10 goals, 10 assists) for someone who is born 1987!!!!!He or Gogulla should be on the roster.....

By the way, Hördler also made an assists and has now 17 points for a defender and he has also the best +/- of the whole Team(+14)!!!Also another good possibility for the near future!!!

Greetings from Berlin!!

Crap, Michael Hackert broke his jaw yesterday and will be out for 2 months. He will miss the Olympics.

Crap. :/

I have to agree with SwisshockeyAcademy. I can see Switzerland beating GErmany, I hope it won't happen but it's possible.

It's all about the team not who has the most NHL players. Also they do have have two awesome goalies who could steal a game.

:cry: Crap, Michael Hackert broke his jaw yesterday and will be out for 2 months. He will miss the Olympics. :cry: I can't believe this. The Lions will need to start signing you and me to play the rest of this season :shakehead

Sabres fan here.

Just a note, Jochen Hecht has been playing his best hockey during the last six weeks or so and has really elevated his game since the injury to Connolly. He has switched from the wong to centre and is playing unbelievable.

Glad to hear Hecht is playing well this season, he was a monster with Mannheim last year in the playoffs.

Hopefully Krupp will put Goc and Sturm along with Hecht again.

Schubert was hit into the boards from behind in last night's game and was motionless for a few minutes. Scary stuff. Fortunately, he got up was helped off the ice. He did look woozy and it seemed like it might be a concussion, but the paper this morning said it was a sore back. Hopefully, he doesn't miss any time.

Yes it is! :)
And can I get that with a satellite dish as well?

If you want to be seriously Cool, then you don't pick an NHL'ers Jersey #.
Pick Kreutzer or Benda or Kathan... or Ustdorf;

Der Kader für die Spiele in Salzburg und Köln:

Tor: Müller (Krefeld), Greiss (Köln), Kotschnew (Iserlohn)

Verteidigung: S. Goc (Hannover), Leask (Berlin), Bazany, Sulzer (beide Düsseldorf), Schauer (Nürnberg), Renz, Kopitz (beide Köln)

Sturm: Benda (Litvinov/CZ), Ustorf, Felski, Busch (alle Berlin), Boos, Furchner, Lewandowski (alle Köln), Kathan, Kreutzer (beide Düsseldorf), A. Barta (Hamburg), Martinec, Fical (beide Nürnberg), Hackert (Frankfurt)

Dazu stoßen später T Kölzig (Washington), V Ehrhoff (San Jose), Schubert (Ottawa), D. Seidenberg (Philadelphia), S Hecht (Buffalo), Sturm (Boston), M. Goc (San Jose)

I'm picking Sturm because he's my favorite NHLer. Although I like having seemingly odd players on my jerseys (I have a Canada one with Scott Hannan of the Sharks on it), I'm trying to stay within the NHL.

BTW, you might want to fix your list, because Dennis Siedenberg was traded to Phoenix recently.

Although I'm definetely not an Eisbären-Berlin-fan, Christoph Gawlik seems to play better and better and he scored another goal against Frankfurt and has now 20 points(10 goals, 10 assists) for someone who is born 1987!!!!!He or Gogulla should be on the roster.....

By the way, Hördler also made an assists and has now 17 points for a defender and he has also the best +/- of the whole Team(+14)!!!Also another good possibility for the near future!!!

Greetings from Berlin!!

It's all about experience with Krupp. He prefers to play vets, some youngsters too, but most vets. Pretty anti- HF style, eh.

Two week ago I saw a Polar Bears match and I wasn't overly impressed with the performance of the guy like Rob Leask for example, but still Krupp wants experience instead of youth.

Experience with the national team that is...
There are plenty of young guys on the team, it's not surprising that he didn't choose anybody who hasn't played for the team yet. It rarely happened that a player went to a big tournament without playing in one of the smaller tournaments or simple friendlies before that.

Experience with the national team that is...
There are plenty of young guys on the team, it's not surprising that he didn't choose anybody who hasn't played for the team yet. It rarely happened that a player went to a big tournament without playing in one of the smaller tournaments or simple friendlies before that.

Experience with the NT and also league games (regular season, playoffs.) It makes sense that a vet is more experienced, because they have played a ton of games during their carrer (doh!*g*)

When Krupps talks about experience I don't understand him, because some of these youngster played in junior hockey tournaments. I mean a guy
like Gawlik has played for the German U-x+1 teams before.

Canada also choose to go with experience over youth and talent. Guys like Spezza, Staal or Phaneuf were not chosen in the first place. It must have something to do with the coach. Quinn (coach Team Canada) in Toronto has been known to trade away youth for vets.

BTW Who's on the taxi squad?

Uxx isn't the men's team, it isn't experience against pro-players. You don't need to have a good junior-career to end up playing for the men's team.
You should have at least some experience with the big boys, before you play in the most important tournament there is.

It's also a great honour to play at the Olympics against the world's greatest players so Krupp probably also thinks that a veteran who's battled through many WC and qualifications and stuff has earned a roster spot more than a 20 year old who has only player U20 and U18. Let them gain experience at the WC then in 2010 bring em 'up.

Canada also choose to go with experience over youth and talent. Guys like Spezza, Staal or Phaneuf were not chosen in the first place. It must have something to do with the coach. Quinn (coach Team Canada) in Toronto has been known to trade away youth for vets.
Yeah, we saw how well that worked out for the Leafs. When did they make the finals the last times ??

Any word on who is going to replace Hackert in the lineup?

Possible options:

- Robert Hock
- Michael Wolf
- Thomas Dolak

:dunno:

Noboday knows if Hecht, Sturm and Goc will play center or wing in Torino, maybe there will be enough players with Alex Barta and Florian Busch that can play in the middle.

Robert Hock won´t play, he was told by Krupp that he won´t be considered some weeks ago, i´m not sure about Dolak but Wolf is definately a winger.

Please tell me Sturm is not seriously injured. Does anyone know more about it?

Please tell me Sturm is not seriously injured. Does anyone know more about it?
He'll probably miss 1 or 2 games, but should be ready for the Olympics ...

www.sport1.de does an article about Krupp and his sqaud. They mention that some of the players will be sent home and it is not clear how the squad will look in the end. I thought, the final rosters had to be set at Dec 23rd ...

They also say, Schubert suffered an injury in yesterday's game against Pittsburgh and left the ice in the beginning of the 3rd period. But according to nhl.com's stats he played until the very last second of the game.

Please tell me Sturm is not seriously injured. Does anyone know more about it?

I hope not. Maybe Fler can fill in for him in the meantime.

Marco Sturm will play for Germany at the Olympics but it looks like Schubert won't be able to play as he received a shoulder injury against the pens. :(

Marco Sturm will play for Germany at the Olympics but it looks like Schubert won't be able to play as he received a shoulder injury against the pens. :(
When exactly ? And why does nobody at the Sens board know anything about it ?

He took a bad hit against Pittsburgh and had to be helped off the ice, but that was last week. Ottawa played Pittsburgh again on Monday and Schubert had a pretty good game, scoring a goal and being named 3rd star (if I remember correctly).

I watched some of that Pens Sens game and don't remember seeing him get hurt. Any updates? :dunno:

Schubert will play, he said so himself. Sturm should play as well, at least that's what Reindl said.

Schubert will play, he said so himself. Sturm should play as well, at least that's what Reindl said.
That's good news :handclap:

Jochen Hecht is out for the Olympics as his knee was hurt in todays game against Montreal.

Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacke...

Sigh, one injury after another.
Hopefully Goc, Ehrhoff, Seidenberg and Kölzig stay completely healthy, will be hard though, Seidernberg has one game left, the others two ;)

The only guys we really can't afford to lose get injured...

i hope for Germany Seidenberg doesn't play like his two games against Dallas at the Olympics :rant:

I haven't heard about the quality of his play, maybe a Coyote fan could say how he looked in the last few games. He was a -2 in the last game, but that stat doesn't say anything about your play.

Schubert is fine, he just got a scare last week.

Seidenberg's 1st Dallas game, yes total disaster. But he hadn't been with the club long (2nd game as a yote I think) and was getting way more ice time than he was used to in Philly. Dallas game last night, he was fine, even had a helper on the lone Coyote goal. I think he has been playing very well over the last few games.

Hi, I'm a Sabres fan and I was just wondering, how big you guys think Hecht's injury is to team Germany?

Eduard Lewandowski is an amazing player in EA sports NHL 2006. haha

For fun, I checked his stats on hockeydb.com and they are very good and hes not that old! Any chance he may try the north american game someday?

Hi, I'm a Sabres fan and I was just wondering, how big you guys think Hecht's injury is to team Germany?

I think Hecht is together with Sturm the most important player for the German side and is unreplaceble. they are expected to carry our attack. Now one of them is out the other injured as well what a start. :shakehead
After those 2 I would assume Koelzig is next most important player.

Eduard Lewandowski is an amazing player in EA sports NHL 2006. haha

For fun, I checked his stats on hockeydb.com and they are very good and hes not that old! Any chance he may try the north american game someday?

As far as I know, he is drafted by the Phoenix Coyotes and has been to their camp a couple of times. So, yes, there is a chance he'll come over to the States some time. His potential is something like a good 3rd line player.

Who on Earth is going to score for this team now. Hopefully Sturm will be in good shape when the games start but losing Hecht is horrible. The team seems to usually play 3 defensive lines with that Hecht, Sturm and Goc/others in the past, as the only offensive line.

Good luck Deutschland

Well, Lewandowski is of russian origian, and that's nearly all said about him ... he definitely has more phyisical abilities than Sturm or Hecht - it's all about his attitude. Gretzky and the Coyotes franchise is obviously behind him, so ... he just has to play his game, what he usually plays in Germany for Cologne ... just for the Coyotes and - he will be able to play in every position in the lines 2 to 4, absolutely ... !!

Really sucks with Hecht going down. Felt good about this team going in. :shakehead

Well, Lewandowski is of russian origian, and that's nearly all said about him ... he definitely has more phyisical abilities than Sturm or Hecht - it's all about his attitude. Gretzky and the Coyotes franchise is obviously behind him, so ... he just has to play his game, what he usually plays in Germany for Cologne ... just for the Coyotes and - he will be able to play in every position in the lines 2 to 4, absolutely ... !!

If he plays the same hockey at PHO that he plays most of the time here in Cologne he will be sent to the minors and rot there. His attitude is so awful, he COULD be one hell of a player over here but most of the time he just seems lethargic. It's really sad and totally annoys me :rant:

Hecht is a huge loss, I consider him more important than Sturm. He can elevate the play of the national team by his skills more than Marco. But the team will have to deal with it.

We played a very good test game against Russia today, but we're missing too many chances and so lost 1:3. I really hope that Krupp cuts Leask, I can't stand to see him play. At the 2-on-1 that led to the 2-1 lead he didn't even know that there was a second russian player in his back :shakehead

Sturm is out, too. Dammit.

Sturm is out, too. Dammit.

Yes, I read that too...**** **** ****
The Bruins wants that he rest in america during the olmypics. That sucks. I think Kölzig, Seidenberg, Schubert, Ehrhoff can stay at home too.

thats it germany is gonna go down ..... i actually wanted to watch the germans play but without hecht and sturm i could also watch curling

The offense was medicore before, but now it's pretty much a joke. Who is going to score for the Black, Red and Gold?

Maybe if we put Schubert up front he could score some goals ;)

The team needs to go back to what made them successful in 2001 and 2002. They didn't really have problems to score back then, no matter who was on the ice.

thats it germany is gonna go down ..... i actually wanted to watch the germans play but without hecht and sturm i could also watch curling

I don't know if I'll be watching now. I was so looking forward to this with Hecht and Sturm having good years and now I'm just disappointed.

I guess we should be happy happy now to get a point against Switzerland and not get blown out against the other teams, yeah! :yo:

Its time for guys like Kreutzer, Kathan, Ustorf and Lewandowski to step up and provide some offense. They certainly have the ability, even against NHL'ers, its just a matter of execution. Schubie is playing well as a forward with Ottawa, and considering the depth of the German defense, perhaps he may be moved up.

I agree, with the injuries suffered, this team needs to go back to the Hans Zach-style if they want to stay competitive.

What a joke the 2 most important players missing.
Well guess we have to rely on our defense, which is possibly the strongest we ever had.
Up front it is time for Kathan Kreutzer Lewandowski Ustdorf Goc and Benda to step it up.

Unreal and all in a matter of a week Sturm..Hecht..Hackert. :cry:

Wow... there goes our medal chance. :sarcasm:

Sturm and Hecht have both been injured by the Montreal Canadiens this week. :madfire:

Sturm and Hecht have both been injured by the Montreal Canadiens this week. :madfire:


JADIJADIJADIJADIJOOOOOO

MONREAL

HUREN***** !!!!!!!!!!!!!

:handclap:

Kopitz and Benda have been cut :confused: in addition to Bazany.

Well guess we have to deal with Leask. :rant:

I expected Benda to actually lead this team as captain, he always has been a stellar preformer for our national team.

Would have preffered Leask to get cut instead of Kopitz. Hope Leask will remain the our spare defender and be cut as soon as the NHL players arrive.

My ideal German defense, considering the cuts:

Schubert --- Ehrhoff
Sulzer --- Seidenberg
Goc ---- Schauer
Extra: Renz

So there is still space to cut Leask. :yo:

JADIJADIJADIJADIJOOOOOO

MONREAL

HUREN***** !!!!!!!!!!!!!

:handclap:

We are not here in a football stadium ;)

These are the players who are left. It's quite interesting actually, there are lots "pairs", who play on the same team.

Lewandowski-Boos-Furchner
Kathan-Goc-Kreutzer
Fical-Ustorf-Martinec
Felski-Barta-Busch

Ehrhoff-Schubert
Seidenberg-Sulzer
Schauer-Goc
Leask-Renz

Kölzig
Müller
Greiss

Well, with Benda being off, we may actually have a chance again. :)

Didn't expect Benda to be cut.

Didn't expect Benda to be cut.
I really thought with both Sturm and Hecht out they would be looking up to Benda for a majority of the leadership. :amazed:

i'm so pissed off, i had a bad mood für the last couple of days. with sturm and hecht out for us, it's the biggest cheapshot for olympic team. even if naslund, sundin and forsberg would miss the swedish team, they still have alfredsson, the sedins, modin, phalsson, axelsson.....it's so f***ed up, i can spend the time watching curling

Kopitz and Benda have been cut :confused: in addition to Bazany.

Well guess we have to deal with Leask. :rant:

I expected Benda to actually lead this team as captain, he always has been a stellar preformer for our national team.

Would have preffered Leask to get cut instead of Kopitz. Hope Leask will remain the our spare defender and be cut as soon as the NHL players arrive.


:eek:

Leask >>> Renz + Kopitz

i'd rather have Renz beeing cut instead of Kopitz. But i'd definitely rate Leask over both of them. I think with Seidenberg, Schubert, Ehrhoff, Goc, Sulzer and Schauer there's no need for Kopitz, but even Peter Worrell is 2x faster than Renz :rant:

I really thought with both Sturm and Hecht out they would be looking up to Benda for a majority of the leadership. :amazed:

Stefan Ustdorf is the Leader of Team GER for quite some time.
I can see Benda beein vulnerable to be cut since he has been totally sucky at the World Championship. With Hecht and Sturm out, maybe this is the time to push the young guys and you know, assign some experience points to them.

Stefan Ustdorf is the Leader of Team GER for quite some time.
I can see Benda beein vulnerable to be cut since he has been totally sucky at the World Championship.

Like the rest of the team... but you're right Benda shouldn't be there for leadership.
But he's a big boy with good vision and a good shot (well, for our players ;) ), he played C, wing or defence and was a big part of our teams before the last world championships.

Now we have only 12 forwards but 8 defenders (well, Schubert played forward the last games), so I personally would replace Leask or Renz with Benda. Or will Krupp play 3 offensive lines like Zach did (haven't seen a game with Krupp as our headcoach)?

I know you are talking about the mens team here, but did any of you see the ridiculous conduct of that Swiss woman in the last seconds of the game today?
Almost a Bertuzzi moment. I just happened to catch it because I was trying to give womens hockey a chance.

I know you are talking about the mens team here, but did any of you see the ridiculous conduct of that Swiss woman in the last seconds of the game today?
Almost a Bertuzzi moment. I just happened to catch it because I was trying to give womens hockey a chance.
Yeah, I saw it in the highlight section...grrr.

But I would be happy, if the result was the same in the men's game.

I saw for a few minutes ago the recap of the german quarterfinal-loss 92 against Canada in shootout in TV.
Man, that is still the most bitter defeat I can remember in a hockey game. :cry:
So unbelievable.

Another question: Where is the gdt from Germany vs. Czech Republic???

:p: Another question: Where is the gdt from Germany vs. Czech Republic???
I don't think there is one