Prince George Cougars 2003-04 chat thread. [Archive]

andora

08-09-2003, 12:12 PM

to address upchuck.. no i do not, honestly never heard of it... :blush:..

to address bleedblue, ford should have the number one job this year, easily imo as a 19 year old. i didn't like the trade that brought him here as we already had two good goalies in thompson and wall. now, after giving up redenbach for ford, if ford isn't the number one that trade becomes even more so of a flop..

imo, the reason ford was so shaky last year here with the cougars was because nobhead dempsey wouldn't just pick one goalie and go, he kept flip flopping them, and goalies, both capable of being number ones cannot work properly like that. this year, thompson's gone, and ford has the job to lose, and with appearing consistently now, i expect todd ford to elevate his play to the level that got him drafted..

now, about the defence.. meh.. it ain't good, that is the main problem this team needs to address via trade, is to bring in another defenceman, preferable a mobile one with size that can help out down low...moulton can't do it all by himself, he tired himself out last year down the stretch, he was awesome, but just couldn't handle the grind that noone else was picking up..

if that russian we picked works out, i fully expect a talented young forward to be moved for a dman, and honestly the only untouchables i'd list uner 18 are hunter and zimmer*future captain*..

it should be interesting, right now the cougars are not strong defensively in front of ford, and if we go with the current group, it'll be tough for ford to keep up imo..

Avery4Byng

08-09-2003, 03:04 PM

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08-09-2003, 03:26 PM

On a non-hockey note. this seems to be the best place to contact you PG people (lounge moves too fast sometimes lol)... I am going to be in PG from Thurs-Tues... What6 is there to do up there in town? Like Casinos, good pubs etc. ALso is there any hockey, like when do the Spruce Kings strat. thanks guys.

The Spruce Kings training camp starts on the 22nd or 23rd with their first exhibition game on the 26th.

We have Casino Hollywood at the Ramada downtown....I'll let you know a bit more about the bar/club scene in the next few days....I'm going out all night tonight, so you'll get a recent outlook on it.

And no, I don't post on that other Cougars board.

Canadian Chris

08-09-2003, 10:36 PM

I have posted at that site...but it was better when it first opened...now it's gone to ****....

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As for stuff to do in PG Tray....well....if you want strippers....Joe's Place on 2nd....or the Munk....the Munk has a cover charge to get in...but is only like $3....personally, I'm more a fan of Joe's place

As far as Bars go....The Generator(3rd Ave) is probably the best bar in town this time of the year. The Munk is crap right now, other than the strippers. The Ironhorse is ok, it's on 1st....nothing special, pretty small though. If you're into country music and...uhh....cougars....the Caddilac is THE place to go...I enjoy it there too...it's on 2nd.

Generally, I'd suggest the Generator and Caddilac as the best bars in town

As far as pubs go....SGT's is good...it's downstairs at the Coast Hotel. College Heights Pub(CHP) is arguably the BEST pub in town...great calamarri too...not sure what else there is really....

Not sure where you're staying, but just ask around...they'll point you in direction of good times.

CROCK

08-09-2003, 10:48 PM

Can't believe u guys haven't heard of it, but the WHL forum is a awesome place to chat WHL hockey.

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/40684

andora

08-10-2003, 01:23 AM

thanks crock :)

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08-10-2003, 03:07 AM

As far as Bars go....The Generator(3rd Ave) is probably the best bar in town this time of the year.

And I think the Generator sucked....tells you a lot about this town. :rolleyes:

Canadian Chris

08-10-2003, 10:31 AM

Can't believe u guys haven't heard of it, but the WHL forum is a awesome place to chat WHL hockey.

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/40684
I used to go to that site all the time....but then the pop ups really started to annoy....so I just moved on...I glance back every now and then, but blah....it's nothing so special anymore....

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I find Saturday nights are just horrid for the Bar scene in this town anyways....mid week, the Horse is the place to be...Friday night, the Genny is usually REALLY good....and it is the summer, so for the most part everyone is at the lake or at the river drinkin and partyin....the bar scene isn't so hot during the summer here thats for sure.

Avery4Byng

08-10-2003, 12:09 PM

Hmm.. thanks for the info guys... My brothers and some buddies were up there last summer and I remember them saying how they went to this place called the Generator and it was suposed to be the best place ever. Anyways they said that they were there for like 2 or so hours and there must have been like 30 people in the place on a saturday night... pretty brutal. Owell one buddy got hooked up with a big very unatractive native.... ended up back at the hotel and he stills hears about that allll the time. :joker:

Anyways thanks guys hopefully should be a good time up there.

andora

08-12-2003, 11:57 PM

:lol:..

send my condolences .. :lol:

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08-28-2003, 08:40 PM

Training camp started today. I took the time to go up to the plex and watch one of the games.

I saw blue and black play each other. I gotta start off with the massive monster on the blue line we call Bubba. :D

Dustin Byfuglien apparently weighed in last night at 272 lbs. Now before you go assuming that Bubba has been eating cake and pie for his main dinner course all summer...Bubba has put on a lot of muscle, does not look any chubbier than he did when he left at the end of last season...and was pretty damned impressive today. I saw his team's 2nd game today, and way up there at 272 lbs, Bubba registered 3 goals and at least a couple assists as well in the hour scrimmage, and he did it as a defenceman. There were even times where he was skating faster than teammate Jonathan Filewich, who looked mighty impressive himself. As for Bubba's weight, he will drop some of it. I think the limit for his body composition will be around 245-250. The best guy I can think of for comparison, is Georges Laraque, who is listed at 6'3" and a whopping 240 (but has been said to be 260).

Next on my good list, is goaltender Justin Pogge. The 17 year-old played Jr.B in Summerland of the KIJHL and got in a couple playoff games with Quesnel of the BCHL last season. This kid was said to be one of the best goaltenders in camp last season (even outplaying Wall, Thompson and Stanton), and he is quickly earning that bill again on the first day of camp. Pogge is 6'3", 185 lbs, and being only 17, has some room to grow yet. He uses his size to his advantage and covers most of the net. In the 20 minutes he got in the game this afternoon, he was only beat once. A lot of people at the rink today, scouts included, think that he will be backing up Todd Ford this season. That of course brings the question of what will happen to Mike Wall....most are saying that a trade is bound to happen if Wall decides not to return to Jr.A.

Lets move onto two players who dominated play while working spectacularly together. Stanislav Bolshakov and walk-on 17 year-old Joel Mateika. I can tell already that Cougar fans reading this are thinking, "Who the hell is Joel Mateika?" I was asking myself that when I saw the list of teams, but he showed everybody watching today who he is as he and Russian import Bolshakov displayed some amazing teamwork. Mateika is from a small Manitoba town which I cannot remember the name of already, which is most likely the reason he was never drafted or placed on a protected list. Bolshakov can skate a million times better than last year's import Stefan Sarka could have ever dreamed of. He does cut through the middle a lot, so it will take a bit of time for him to adjust to the North American style of hockey. That being said, when he did walk into a potentially deadly hit, he absorbed it well and stayed on his feet almost every time.

As for the other import, New York Islanders draft pick, Slovakian Denis Rehak also impressed. He uses his size well, can shoot the puck, and skates both fast and smoothly. And unlike the Slovakian defenceman the Cougars cut last year, Lukas Cvejn, Rehak actually lives up to his listing of 6'1", 192 lbs. Although he did not stand out in this afternoon's game, he did not make any big mistakes. Look for him to be #3-4 on the Cougars blue line depth chart.

Next players to discuss both share the same last name. Jonathan and David Filewich. David, 17, played well on a line with his older NHL-drafted brother and Eric Hunter. I won't go and say that David Filewich will make the team yet...but it is very possible. He should at least stick around for the first exhibition trip next weekend.

17 year-old Luke Boyer was another one who impressed this afternoon. He didn't dominate a-la Bubba...but he did everything right. Boyer played a few games last season but couldn't quite cut it full time. Look for Boyer to be on the 3rd-4th line this season.

The one player who really disappointed me today, believe it or not, was Chris Falloon. As a 20 year-old, he should have been dominating the game for his team, and he didn't even stick out, other than the one breakaway that he fired into the goaltender's chest. Falloon just seemed uninspired for some reason today. A lot of people around the building today were saying how they wouldn't be sad to see Falloon put on the trade block in order to get another defenceman....mainly so Bubba can be moved up front.

I won't make my own depth chart today, and I only saw 2 of the 4 main camp teams in action. I will see the other 2 tomorrow, along with the 15 year-olds tearing each other apart. I want to see Swystun in action...apparently he played just superb this morning.

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08-31-2003, 04:39 PM

Just got back from the intrasquad game. Here are the results:

Black 9
White 4 ...Final

Rosters:
**Number. Name (birth year)

BLACK
2. Devin Featherstone (85)
3. Mike Fogolin (87)
4. Dustin Byfuglien (85)
6. Dan Ehrman (84)
7. Casey Shaw (87)
8. Brett Kamalski (88)
9. Chris Falloon (83)
10. Nick Drazenovic (87)
11. Joshua Aspenlind (86)
12. Jonathan Li (86)
14. Kurtis Bosecke (88)
16. Dylan Yeo (86)
17. David Filewich (87)
23. Myles Zimmer (85)
25. Colin Patterson (85)
28. Brett Parker (85)

Black Goal
1. Justin Pogge (86)
35. Mike Wall (85)

WHITE
2. Denis Rehak (85)
3. Curtis Cooper (86)
4. Ryan de Vries (87)
6. Ty Wishart (88)
7. Luke Boyer (86)
9. Greg Gardner (87)
10. Stanislav Bolshakov (86)
11. Joel Mateika (86)
12. Tyler Swystun (88)
14. Evan Fuller (88)
17. Jonathan Filewich (84)
19. Dan Baum (83)
20. Eric Hunter (86)
26. Jason Goulet (83)
27. Tyrell Moulton (84)

White Goal
1. Tomas Billick (86)
30. Todd Ford (84)

I didn't record assists, but here are the goals from the game:

BLACK
1. Falloon
2. Byfuglien
3. Parker
4. Yeo
5. Bosecke
6. Bosecke
7. Patterson
8. Zimmer
9. Zimmer

WHITE
1. Bolshakov
2. Bolshakov
3. Gardner
4. Baum

andora

09-01-2003, 10:41 AM

EHRMAN !!! :rant:

carsonbuddy

09-02-2003, 05:13 AM

What is the opionion of the cougars fans on their new '88 prospects? There were at least 4 that impressed me. Sywstun, Bosecke, Kamalski, Currah

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09-02-2003, 01:33 PM

What is the opionion of the cougars fans on their new '88 prospects? There were at least 4 that impressed me. Sywstun, Bosecke, Kamalski, Currah

The only ones who impressed me were Swystun (who was better than a lot of 18 year-olds at camp), Fuller and Bosecke.

Kamalski was terrible in the intrasquad game. He couldn't skate and his puck skills were average at best.

I wonder if Swystun will dog it in the playoffs with his minor hockey team later this season so he can play the last few weeks with the Cougars...kinda like how Drazenovic did last year. :p

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09-02-2003, 02:38 PM

Cuts were made yesterday. All the 15 year-olds were obviously sent home.

Here is who is left:

GOAL
Todd Ford
Mike Wall
*Justin Pogge

DEFENCE
*Denis Rehak
Curtis Cooper
*Ryan de Vries
Jason Goulet
Tyrell Moulton
Devin Featherstone
*Mike Fogolin
Dustin Byfuglien
Dan Ehrman
*Dylan Yeo

FORWARDS
*Luke Boyer
*Greg Gardner
*Stanislav Bolshakov
Jonathan Filewich
Dan Baum
Eric Hunter
Chris Falloon
*Nick Drazenovic
*Joshua Aspenlind
Myles Zimmer
Colin Patterson
Brett Parker
Matt Girling
Adam Flick

* = Rookie

NOTE: David Filewich was sent home to Sherwood Park, but will be picked up by the team on the way to Saskatoon for an exhibition tournament.

CalgaryThrasher

09-03-2003, 10:08 AM

Hey. what's up with Blake Robson?? Is he still with the team? I'm curious as I went to Elementary and Jr High with him.

Avery4Byng

09-03-2003, 11:09 AM

I heard there was a aug yJon Li i think that was like 5'8 220 lbs. this true? is he fat or just really well built? what kind of player, where did he go etc. thanks guys.

andora

09-03-2003, 11:53 AM

Hey. what's up with Blake Robson?? Is he still with the team? I'm curious as I went to Elementary and Jr High with him.

nah, he was 20 last season, and is probably on his way to an echl team.. he's a UFA in terms of nhl rights i believe, as atlanta did draft him but never gave him a contract..

this guy stinks IMHO.. and i don't see him ever cracking the ahl consistently..

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09-03-2003, 01:21 PM

I heard there was a aug yJon Li i think that was like 5'8 220 lbs. this true? is he fat or just really well built? what kind of player, where did he go etc. thanks guys.

Li is 5'7", 210lbs...and built like a bloody brick. His face looks fat, but his body is very well built. He would have made the team last year, but he chose to leave for St.Albert (AJHL).

As for Robson...he was the laziest player I have ever seen here. Worst choice for captain last season.

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09-03-2003, 02:02 PM

The following Cougar players are leaving for NHL training camps today:

Dan Baum (Edmonton)
Jonathan Filewich (Pittsburgh)
Tyrell Moulton (Dallas)
Denis Rehak (NY Islanders)
Dan Ehrman (Vancouver) *waits for andora's rant*

Todd Ford (Toronto) does not leave until Sept. 13.

Dustin Byfuglien will not attend Chicago's training camp as the Blackhawks only invited two of their junior prospects to camp. The only WHL player attending Chicago's camp is Duncan Keith (KEL).

carsonbuddy

09-03-2003, 02:33 PM

The NHL camps do not start until Sept 12. Why are the players leaving so early.

Are there any 15 year olds joining the team in SK.

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09-03-2003, 02:54 PM

The NHL camps do not start until Sept 12. Why are the players leaving so early.

Are there any 15 year olds joining the team in SK.

Question 1: Rookie Sessions, and getting accustomed to NHL lifestyle. I don't believe Chicago holds such sessions, hence Bubba staying here.

Question 2: Not to my knowledge. Any 15 year-olds good enough will get their 5 games on road trips during the season. Bosecke and Swystun should get theirs.

andora

09-03-2003, 06:05 PM

Dan Ehrman (Vancouver) *waits for andora's rant*

WTF ???????? :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

Avery4Byng

09-03-2003, 06:20 PM

:joker: Now i cant wait to see for myself just how brutal this guy really is!

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09-03-2003, 06:39 PM

WTF ???????? :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

Apparently Ehrman's agent is on the inside with some of Vancouver's staff. They should see after his first shift in scrimmage #1 when he all but shoots the puck into his own net, that Ehrman is a 4th defenceman for a Jr.A team at best.

Canadian Chris

09-03-2003, 07:12 PM

just as a side note....I saw that Robson has a tryout in Tampa....so who knows....he could play in the AHL next year...not likely though.

I was also flabbergasted that Ehrman is getting a tryout....:angryfire: and my dad is beside himself that Byfuglien is drafted and such....but thats a different story for a different day

joeswede

09-03-2003, 09:18 PM

How has Joshua Aspenlind been playing in camp?

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09-03-2003, 09:31 PM

How has Joshua Aspenlind been playing in camp?

He made the exhibition roster as a walk-on. Basically that means he has been playing very well. Good skating stride, good puck skills and very strong on his feet.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him take a spot on the 3rd-4th line this season.

andora

09-03-2003, 10:32 PM

Apparently Ehrman's agent is on the inside with some of Vancouver's staff. They should see after his first shift in scrimmage #1 when he all but shoots the puck into his own net, that Ehrman is a 4th defenceman for a Jr.A team at best.

yeah, and that tip toe **** he pulls as he skates around looking pretty between whistles...

rot ehrman, rot.. i bet he gives the puck up because of his weakass shot.. he'll fan on it or something, that and he has to do a slapshot to get a pass cross ice

membleypeg

09-10-2003, 12:37 PM

goteam

09-10-2003, 03:44 PM

andora

09-10-2003, 05:30 PM

As a displaced Cougar fan, many thanks to you guys for posting news of training camp. Am I being overly optimistic, or do the Cougars have an extremely talented young core (the best that PG has seen).

Some questions for any of you who have watched training camp.

1) Which rookies do you think will crack the lineup (knowing that Dempsey hates to play rookies)?
2) Is it possible that PG might keep Wall and Pogge, thus exposing Ford as trade bait?
3) Any thoughts toward the overagers (will the Cougs trade for a goal scorer)?
4) Any veterans showing great improvement this year?
5) Do you see the Cougars playing the young guys alot this year, in hopes of aiming for a run next year?
6) How have the imports looked in the pre-season games (do they fit in well with their team mates)?
7) Who will look after the tough stuff on this years team?

Again, thanks for any input that you can provide.

to number 5, i don't think it's realistic to not think about a run next year...

i'd honestly dangle a guy like girling at midpoint for a dman if that proves to be our weakness again and go for it next year and the year after...

to number 7, i can't think of anyone particular as the enforcer (praying to god goulet doesn't make it).. but parker, zimmer, byfuglien, moulton will all drop them to defend guys.. zimmer especially imo, our next captain... i think we have enough character and grit to off set the lack of monsters...

to number 2, i would like to see ford and wall stay, with wall being the starter next year and beyond...

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09-10-2003, 08:26 PM

hey Prince George fans......i noticed a few games from the S'toon tournament on the weekend.

two very good young defensemen------Dylan Yeo and Mike Fogolin-----both excellent skaters----is there an opening on the defense for them to make a big impression in this league.

Also is Fogolin any relation to the old Oiler great?

Regarding 20 year-olds do the Cougars have a shortage or are the ones at NHL camps set to fill the overage spots?

I believe Fogolin is a nephew...but don't quote me on that.

I'm kind of surprised that he played well...he sure didn't impress me much during camp here.

As far as overagers go, we have Chris Falloon, Jason Goulet and Dan Baum. Falloon will be back, Baum will likely play for Toronto (AHL) and I will give Goulet credit for committing himself in the off-season. The Cougars are in the market for at least one, if not two 20 year-olds...but with Everett having 5, the 20 year-old markets isn't a strong one this season.

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09-10-2003, 08:34 PM

As a displaced Cougar fan, many thanks to you guys for posting news of training camp. Am I being overly optimistic, or do the Cougars have an extremely talented young core (the best that PG has seen).

Some questions for any of you who have watched training camp.

1) Which rookies do you think will crack the lineup (knowing that Dempsey hates to play rookies)?
2) Is it possible that PG might keep Wall and Pogge, thus exposing Ford as trade bait?

6) How have the imports looked in the pre-season games (do they fit in well with their team mates)?
7) Who will look after the tough stuff on this years team?

1) I wouldn't be surprised to see the following guys on the team:
Jonathan Li
Joshua Aspenlind (walk-on)
Mike Fogolin
Ryan de Vries (cousin of Dan Hamhuis)
Greg Gardner
Luke Boyer
Joel Mateika (walk-on)

I would say 4-5 of these 7 guys will make the team.

2) If any goaltender is going to get traded, it's Wall. The reason the Cougars like Pogge so much (and I agree on this), is because he is only 17. He has the potential to be a star goaltender in the WHL imo, and the Cougars would be stupid to not keep him.

6) Couldn't tell you. We only get one pre-season home game, and it is this Saturday...and I won't be there either.

7) If Goulet gets let go (as I would assume he will), then Zimmer will be the main guy going out to fight when necessary.

Avery4Byng

09-10-2003, 08:59 PM

Well Ehrman was released by the Canucks today...... back to PG he goes. dont be too hard on him no andora.... ;)

andora

09-10-2003, 09:18 PM

ha ha ehrman.. oh ****.. he's back.. :mad:

carsonbuddy

09-10-2003, 11:48 PM

Mike Fogolin is Lee's son

goteam

09-11-2003, 11:00 AM

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09-11-2003, 03:47 PM

Goulet would be kept around for an overage spot? There has to be some twenty year old (even someone from Junior A) who could fill that spot better IMO. I envision him being sent back to the SJ with Battlefords.

Ultimately, so do I. However I must admit that he has improved his play quite a bit over the summer. He went on the atkins diet and lost the extra weight that he was carrying around, and during training camp, he actually showed some puckhandling skills and decent positional play.

As for overagers coming up from Jr.A...unless there is somebody out there with extensive major junior experience, no overager in Jr.A will ruin his NCAA eligibility by playing his overage season in the WHL. I'm sure the Cougars will pick up another overager sometime before the deadline (I believe that is early October), but that guy is likely replacing Dan Baum....and as mentioned earlier, with Everett having 5 overagers, the market isn't as good as it usually is.

andora

09-14-2003, 10:33 AM

just to give some thoughts on the pre season game..

i was pretty impressed with some of the younger guys

little number 16, dustin yol ? .. is that right, he scored, so i just heard the announcer say his name..
anyway, i was very impressed by this guy. he was very strong on his feet, and was surprisingly composed for a youngster, and showed it. he had very good anticipation defensively, and his recoveries were excellent.. he gave the puck up a couple times outside his blueline and had to fight for position getting back, and he knows how to do that very well. he wasn't afraid to carry the puck out himself, or even hold onto it through traffic, and even though he had the puck on his stick for long stretches, he was very simple with it, a simple but effective stickhandler.. he also held his own physically, and put the body on a couple bigger guys going shoulder to shoulder into the corner with, and he didn't fall or teeter.. just held his ground.. he'd pinch in effectively, roam through the slot, and was generally involved... he was my favorite unknown of the evening by far...

also very impressed with luke boyer, still pretty raw, but good size, uses his size for position, and good presence on the puck, and fighting for the puck. didn't play too physical, but that was more to nerves IMO, i got a sense that this kid when comfortable likes to throw his weight around. he was slower with the foot speed, however his skating was fine, strong on his skates, and could keep up on a regular shift...

other guys that impressed me that i have no idea of their names :p

#19 - right handed shot, forward, longer curly hair..

good work ethic all night, would throw the body and had pretty good puck abilities, again, most of his problems were tenativeness.. good on the forechecking, and was very involved in offensive board work, and could hold his own

#17 - defenceman, lefty

this guy i liked simply because of the package he has, he's incredible raw, showing his youth.. he could carry the puck effectively, worked the PP point, could make passes, work the boards, hold guys off.. skating was a weaker spot, a little slower, but solid on his feet. also has pretty good reach, used his stick well..

# 22 - little guy, defence, lefty

just like yol *#16*, he was very involved, and did lots of things well.. up and down, involved, would throw hits, make passes, hold the puck, make safe plays.. played a good game..

now, for the regular cougars.. we'll start with the bad..

ehrman - my god, this guy really stinks.. lets people blow around him, playshappy wanderer defensively. if you watch him closely, he plays like a five year old.. remember that stuff, where you'd just take swipes at the puck in scrums and whatnot, well that's ehrman.. far far too lax with the puck as well.. can't pass, doesnt get enough on them to make a good pass... UGH.. he just sucked it up

byfuglien - looked damn good, just physically.. he looks a lot slimmer / more built, and he even looks an inch taller out there.. but i don't care what people say, or that loser offthefloor, or whatever his name was.. this kid has an NHL package in him, no doubt about it.. his puck sense and skills are sick for a man that big / young.. he didn't even try last night. he had one run to the net when he *tried*, and went around two guys and popped one into the goalie's shoulder, who was just kneeling, hoping to stop it..

he played with an edge all night too, just having fun, poking at people, tripping them, it was very nice :).. he is awesome at that, behind the ref's back, agitating, a thing of beauty.. got off a couple boomers, both missed/deflected.. threw a couple deadly hits, and in turn took a couple ok ones with the target on his chest.. but in conclusion, watching last night, i get a sense that bubba is our guy this year, our main weapon, and in turn, our main target.. byfuglien is going to add a great dimension to his game this year, and that's fighting/scrumming/rough stuff... he'll have to, and last night showed me he was ready for it..

flick - basically he impressed me the most, he was everywhere, and most importantly, he was throwing hit after hit after hit etc...the little guy just kept going. rushed the puck very well, set up some nice plays, got some good chances, worked his ass off downlow on the boards.. he had an awesome game

parker - another guy that wasn't even really trying, yet still playing above his peers.. great forechecker, pker, defensively, and got some awesome chances off very hard work on the boards. very strong on his feet and positionally when going up against other players, battling for pucks or space, was having a great game before his fight/ejection.. in which he wond handedly as well :D..
**van, question, is it WHL rules for pre season to automatically give a game with fighting ?**

cooper - showed a lot of poise, was working that puck delay thing to perfection a few times. was fired up to start the game, and was edgy all night, he should have a good start, he looks very composed and a little bigger as well, maybe an inch..

guys that were so so were girling/falloon/patterson/featherstone/goulet and the rest.. if i'm forgetting something i'll add it in later...

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09-14-2003, 03:37 PM

**van, question, is it WHL rules for pre season to automatically give a game with fighting ?**

I'm not 100% sure about the WHL, but if they were booting guys for fighting then it is likely the rule. They do it that way in the BCHL, I know that for sure.

I didn't see the game last night, so I can't comment on it.

BTW, it's Dylan Yeo. ;)

andora

09-14-2003, 08:40 PM

BTW, it's Dylan Yeo. ;)

k cool.. i was very impressed with this guy...

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09-17-2003, 12:10 AM

Cougars still in camp

Goal
Ford, T
Pogge, J
Wall, M

Defence
Byfuglien, D
Cooper, C
Featherstone, D
Fogolin, M
Goulet, J
Moulton, T
Rehak, D
Yeo, D

Forwards
Aspenlind, J
Bolshakov, S
Boyer, L
Drazenovic, N
Falloon, C
Filewich, J
Flick, A
Gardner, G
Girling, M
Hunter, E
Parker, B
Patterson, C
Zimmer, M

Note: Byfuglien can and should be playing forward, but is listed on the website as a defenceman.

Photos are up on the website!

Notables that made me chuckle:

Cooper's hair
Ehrman looks like a girl
Bubba looks like I did at the Ironhorse last night
Featherstone....no comment
Flick and facial hair don't mix

The Pucks

09-17-2003, 07:16 AM

Dod Cooper get moved to forward?

Cougars still in camp

Goal
Ford, T
Pogge, J
Wall, M

Defence
Byfuglien, D
Ehrman, D
Featherstone, D
Fogolin, M
Goulet, J
Moulton, T
Rehak, D
Yeo, D

Forwards
Aspenlind, J
Bolshakov, S
Boyer, L
Cooper, C
Drazenovic, N
Falloon, C
Filewich, J
Flick, A
Gardner, G
Girling, M
Hunter, E
Parker, B
Patterson, C
Zimmer, M

Note: Byfuglien can and should be playing forward, but is listed on the website as a defenceman.

Photos are up on the website!

Notables that made me chuckle:

Cooper's hair
Ehrman looks like a girl
Bubba looks like I did at the Ironhorse last night
Featherstone....no comment
Flick and facial hair don't mix

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09-17-2003, 05:53 PM

Whoops....no he did not.

My bad.

*edits post*

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09-18-2003, 06:12 PM

EHRMAN IS GONE !!! :yo:

Shipped his ass to Tri-City!

Canadian Chris

09-18-2003, 06:28 PM

HAHAHAA

SUCKERS!

I'll take a nice little pick for him, rather than nothing.....oh man....THAT'S MONEY!

Apparently TCA wants a high pick? hehe/....

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09-18-2003, 06:33 PM

I don't care how good his agent is...I don't get how the hell did Ehrman get a tryout with the Canucks.

On the other hand, the NHL tryout only makes Ehrman look so much worse by getting sent back to junior and traded for a conditional draft pick. :lol:

From TC's website...

“We are pleased to be able to obtain a player of Ehrman’s caliber and add experience plus size to our blueline,” said general manager Bob Tory.

:lol:

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09-18-2003, 06:46 PM

Other news out of the Cougars locker room today...

-The Cougars' new Captain is Chris Falloon. Myles Zimmer and Jonathan Filewich were given "A"s. (either they didn't name a third A, or I just didn't hear it)

-These new CCM helmets look like ass.

Canadian Chris

09-18-2003, 08:13 PM

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09-18-2003, 08:18 PM

I don't mind the CCM helmets with the HX visor....I think they look quite good....even though I personally still MUCH prefer the Bauer Helmets.

The gloves I don't mind....a little shiney hehe, but not bad....

Nice to hear that Falloon got the 'C' with the 'A's headed to Zimmer and Filewich....

I don't know why, but I have an oddly strange, yet excited feeling heading into this season with the Cougs....

The HX visor looks best with the Bauer/Nike 4000 imo...but I guess you gotta wear your sponsor's stuff.

I would have gone with the following letters:
C - Filewich
A - Falloon
A - Moulton
A - Parker or Zimmer

andora

09-18-2003, 09:12 PM

first, bye bye ehrman.. :bow:.. ass

second, falloon as captain is rubbish.. three assistants should have been had and that's it, falloon/moulton/parker.. we simply don't have a captain...

it was the same when they put the C on cox, and basically put pressure on him / ruined his season b/c of it..

we don't HAVE to have a captain, it's ok ed you dolt

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09-18-2003, 09:55 PM

we don't HAVE to have a captain, it's ok ed you dolt

I'm not 100% up to beat on WHL rules, but I think each team does need a captain. The only times you ever see a team run with 4 A's instead of a C and 3 A's, is when the captain is injured/ill.

Canadian Chris

09-19-2003, 12:40 AM

agreed....but I think Falloon will run with it....I just get that impression from him....sorta like Hamhuis....minus the oozing of skill hehe

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09-19-2003, 11:19 AM

Bolshakov might not be available tonight. His club team in Kazan, Russia is claiming that he signed a contract to play there this season, and have filed an injunction to keep him from playing here. The Cougars are in court in Kamloops as we speak to try to settle the issue.

andora

09-19-2003, 06:40 PM

I'm not 100% up to beat on WHL rules, but I think each team does need a captain. The only times you ever see a team run with 4 A's instead of a C and 3 A's, is when the captain is injured/ill.

if that is the case, awful awful rule

Walsher

09-19-2003, 09:42 PM

Just listening to the Cougs game and wonderin why Gards isn't on the ice. 8 for 8 on the draws and not even a sniff in the second and third. The kid is a total beauty!

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09-20-2003, 12:07 AM

Just listening to the Cougs game and wonderin why Gards isn't on the ice. 8 for 8 on the draws and not even a sniff in the second and third. The kid is a total beauty!

Because he is a 16 year-old rookie playing on the 4th line between walk-on Josh Aspenlind and rookie Luke Boyer. Those guys won't see much more than 4-6 shifts per game, and once Bolshakov gets clearance to play, those three will likely rotate being healthy scratches.

As for the game itself...

4,394...I believe that is the worst home opener attendance in Cougars history.

If tonight is any indication, PG and Kootenay should be one-two in WHL goal scoring this season, and also one-two in WHL goals against. Both teams played atrocious defensively and the goaltending blew on both sides.

The first period lacked any intensity whatsoever, with the exception of a couple fights within 10 seconds of each other. And a memo to Mr. Zimmer... DO NOT FIGHT LEFTIES! Bubba's goal was easily the cleanest goal of the game. This kid is the total package...just wait until he drops 20 pounds.

The second period was much better, and the Cougars played much better than the team who got outshot 20-7 in the first, and the Cougars finally took charge late in the third, with the winning goal scored by Kootenay defenceman Brad Zanon via Cougars forward Eric Hunter.

Josef Vavra is a cheap POS. If I were Eric Hunter, I would have given him a hell of a lot more than a facewash for that ugly hack to the back of his legs.

Just to clear a couple things up on the officiating front.....

Dylan Yeo did not get a Boarding penalty for that open-ice hit despite that being on the scoresheet. There was obviously some mis-communication between Guest and the scorekeeper because I could read on Guest's lips, the word "elbowing" when he was reporting the penalties. It was a borderline call to begin with, but the referees have been told to strictly call anything like that where the player is hit in the head, and to be fair, Yeo did have his hands up when he threw the hit.

With 10 seconds left, Guest gave both PG and Kootenay Too Many Men penalties because with the coincidentals on the board and with the Ice goaltender on the bench, it was supposed to be 5-on-4 for Kootenay, and not 6-on-5. Realistically, that one is on the officials' (all three of them) shoulders for allowing play to start...but here's the catch.... If Guest had blown his whistle right after the puckdrop, he could have let both teams take a man off with no penalties...but if the play continues for any significant amount of time, he must assess penalties no matter what.

I do not like the numbers on the officials' backs. The jerseys look great (except for the CCM logo on the right side of the chest, that is not needed)...the black underarms look good, and the numbers do look sharp, but the numbers piss me off. Before I go on...this is my own personal opinion, and not any opinion shared by any league, association, etc.....I don't believe the numbers are there for the protection of the officials. The people that matter know their names. However, I do believe it is contributing to the "robotization" of the officials. The top leagues want their officials to be one in the same, which as common sense tells us, cannot happen. Referees are individuals, have their own style, standards, etc....by replacing their names with numbers, it contributes to taking away the individuality of an official.

And last but certainly not least...THE NETS SUCK! I swear I will never sit behind them. Thankfully, I had my seat in the 11th row, right on the centre line.

andora

09-20-2003, 12:41 AM

well, van.. that yeo hit was not a penalty, bottom line.. i saw it developing and saw it, his forearms were just above the kootenay crest.. and his shoulder impacted the chin.. it was clean.. very..

yeo had an up and downer, but i love him.. LOTS.. he does everything, and is very calm and does have some poise.. he was pinching, hitting.. very sturdy for a little guy.. i like him a lot

fogolin too, very good with strong on the puck, not strong in a forsberg sense, just strong in a tenacious sense...

rahek *sp?* too on defense, number 8, i liked some of the intensity he showed, impressed

goulet OMFGIH.. what an improvement.. i wouldn't mind at all anymore keeping him as a sixth guy to play limited minutes, he's improved in everything !.. HE CAN MOVE THE PUCK UP THE ICE NOW WITHOUT GETTING CONFUSED.. :handclap: to him...

featherstone frustrates me.. awesome size and low center of gravity, he should be breaking collarbones left and right.. it wasn't until his fight defending yeo in the third that he showed real emotion and played to his frame...

byfuglien.. well.. his goal was an nhl goal, his first one. he put the puck top corner b/c he wanted too, and it was rolling.. once we get about fifteen games in, he'll have better conditioning and become a monster, i like his chippiness too, tripping the goalie and shoving/gloving guys..

hunter, well i commented on him in that prospects board thread.. he HAS TO PLAY CHIPPY.. that's his game, he's just so damn good at it he can't not play like that..

zimmer and parker.. well.. off nights, parker more so, but these guys are the meat and potatoes.. work so hard, grind, set up plays.. just all out lead .. my favs..

patterson.. i sure wish hfboards didn't crash, i'd dig up the post where i went on and on like a schoolgirl about patterson and his puck skills.. but anyhow. this guy has hands and size and grit.. he'll be dynamite...

drazenovic impressed me the most, he was throwing hits, starting scrums, facewashing, setting up great chances, winning faceoffs, breaking up passes, delaying with the puck, working hard along the boards.. and he's what? 16.. (thank you thank you thank you thank you)..

filewich was simply filewich.. impresses the hell out of you for a little bit *in the third* with skating/hits/passing/rushing.. but IMHO was pretty lame the rest of the night... noone can touch his skating though..

falloon was, well, falloon.. moving along

girling frustrates the hell out of me, imo he's the forward i'd trade for a dman (yes we still need one even moulton is yet to play)... yes he's got great moves and yes he *can* play a powerforward game crashing the net BUT.. i don't like the way he'll float and he missed some key pass attempts tonight.. i don't know, but something just bugs me about him.. kinda like wirll.. loads of talent that flashes the crowd into oohs and awws.. but.. that's it.. (:angryfire he does that **** wirll used to do too where he dekes inside his blueline to the center and loses the puck in the middle of the ice in the DEFENSIVE ZONE :rant:)

i love gardner already.. great leadership/character out there vocally i noticed, and good work, faceoffs like the above poster said, good skater.. i liked what i saw..

boyer and the other guy , can't remember his name.. were both ok, just didn't do enough to be called bad nor good... which overall is good for rookies ..

who'd i miss.. cooper.. well, he was ok...

why wasn't flick dressed ? injury? he should have played if healthy imo, he played too well in that last pre season game...

also, our PENALTY KILL !!!.. it took me a period to figure out why it looks so much better.. malgunas is the reason.. we had a great rush the puck holder / pass receiver thing going, where the box would circle, so the player rushing would be covered by the player rotating over.. it was awesome all night IMO, very quick, and just frustrated the ice players..

hm, that's enough, my fingers are tired.. oh yeah wall sucked

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09-20-2003, 12:53 AM

well, van.. that yeo hit was not a penalty, bottom line.. i saw it developing and saw it, his forearms were just above the kootenay crest.. and his shoulder impacted the chin.. it was clean.. very..

why wasn't flick dressed ? injury? he should have played if healthy imo, he played too well in that last pre season game...

Believe it or not, the league want officials to call any hits with any impact to the head/face/chin...even with the shoulder. In fact, Hockey Canada even has a specific rule called Checking To The Head, where 2+10 is the minimum penalty. The WHL does not have that rule, but in their rules of emphasis, are high hits...and the officials are told to call them, even if the impact to the head is with the shoulder.

I don't always agree with the rule/emphasis, but what is a referee to do? If he ignores rules because he doesn't agree with them, he loses his job.

Flick still has a bad shoulder. He probably shouldn't have played the exhibition game.

andora

09-20-2003, 12:56 AM

Believe it or not, the league want officials to call any hits with any impact to the head/face/chin...even with the shoulder. In fact, Hockey Canada even has a specific rule called Checking To The Head, where 2+10 is the minimum penalty. The WHL does not have that rule, but in their rules of emphasis, are high hits...and the officials are told to call them, even if the impact to the head is with the shoulder.
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ruining hockey.. i tell ya.. if a guy gets wonked in the mellon because he broke the cardinal hockey rule.. life goes on..

:rant:

Canadian Chris

09-20-2003, 11:39 AM

ugh....if you guys think the nets are ugly from the stands....get on the ice....SO distracting! It's horrid!

However, both, my dad, neighbor and my uncle said the nets weren't too bad, nor distracting....

I've only seen them from the ice, but thought they were fugly. Hopefully I can see them from the stands next weekend.

Sounded like the game was atleast entertaining....however VERY slow....but good game reviews from the both of ya.

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09-20-2003, 04:17 PM

I don't know about you guys, but I am getting sick of Swanson picking on Bubba's weight in his articles. Since camp started over 3 weeks ago, I don't think he has written one article on the Cougars that hasn't had a little piece slamming Bubba for his 270-pound frame.

In today's article for example, "Byfuglien — imagine what he could accomplish if he started dating Jenny Craig and hanging out with Charles Atlas — was the best player wearing white, despite his lack of conditioning."

He gives by-FOOG-lian (Bubba's mom was giving people crap for calling him buff-a-lin) credit for his play, yet he just has to take that shot at his weight.

For **** sakes Swanson, he knows he is overweight and is training hard to drop the pounds. :rant:

Canadian Chris

09-20-2003, 06:03 PM

goteam

09-20-2003, 10:58 PM

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09-20-2003, 11:04 PM

Honestly, I don't blame Swanson....not much else to write about....

Byfuglian has to lose weight. He was supposed to be training hard over the summer, and I mean, I've heard his excuses, and it's still NOT THAT HARD to maintain a healthy eating habbit, even when you're travelling around.

Honestly, I'm starting to become a little dissapointed with him, although I do agree he's a great player, but SERIOUSLY IMAGINE the player he could be if he was in shape.

I've heard it from about 15 people at the game last night, that he just ran out of steam as the game went on.

I agree with the point being made, but all Swanson is doing every time he writes about it, is beat a dead horse. The whole world knows Dustin could stand to lose 20-30 pounds. Slamming Dustin for it in every article isn't going to accomplish much of anything.

An interesting note regarding the netting behind the nets. Two people at the Blades' game tonight were hit in the head causing extreme bleeding. Where were they sitting?-----Right at the edge of the netting 5 rows apart.

Then that is their own ****** fault for not paying attention. I hate to sound cold, but if you buy tickets for a hockey game, you go to watch hockey. If you are paying attention to the game, the chances of being injured by a puck are slim to nil.

goteam

09-21-2003, 11:50 AM

Then that is their own ****** fault for not paying attention. I hate to sound cold, but if you buy tickets for a hockey game, you go to watch hockey. If you are paying attention to the game, the chances of being injured by a puck are slim to nil.
But I just found it ironic that all the teams strung throughout the WHL had to spend tons of money on installing these nets to protect the fans. Yet these nets are put in and the fans expect to feel secure watching the game and not have to worry about getting hit by a puck in the usual place----behind the net----and still fans were hit by the pucks.

andora

09-21-2003, 12:08 PM

An interesting note regarding the netting behind the nets. Two people at the Blades' game tonight were hit in the head causing extreme bleeding. Where were they sitting?-----Right at the edge of the netting 5 rows apart.

*sighs*... just shows how the nets are just a nuissance IMO...

and swanson is a moron.. simply put, i'd rather read an essay on how tomatoes can be dried then even read a sniff of his garbage that gets printed..

he's a no good loser

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09-22-2003, 06:43 PM

See ya later Wall....have fun in expansion land. :yo:

Canadian Chris

09-23-2003, 11:40 AM

What did he get traded for? a 4th? That's pretty weak if you ask me....would've figured he'd fetch a 2nd....ah well....I liked Pogge better

membleypeg

09-23-2003, 01:28 PM

Why is it that Luby can never get a player returned in his transactions. Ehrman to TC for a pick and now Wall for a pick. Last year similar transactions.

Has this man ever heard of putting a package together and trying to improve the team. I think that these assets will have very little value to the Cougars as they try and improve this year and possibly make a run next year.

Don't the good fans of Prince George ever get fed up with Luby! I see that attendance is down, hasn't Brodsky taken notice. Oh to get a professional management team for this franchise.

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09-23-2003, 06:37 PM

Why is it that Luby can never get a player returned in his transactions. Ehrman to TC for a pick and now Wall for a pick. Last year similar transactions.

Because that is all he could get.

With Ehrman, it did make the defence a little thinner, but Ehrman's value in the WHL is worth about that of a draft pick.

With Wall, the Cougars were not putting themselves in a desperate goaltending situation by letting him go, so any teams talking with the Cougars are obviously going to make low-ball offers, and nothing more.

Has this man ever heard of putting a package together and trying to improve the team. I think that these assets will have very little value to the Cougars as they try and improve this year and possibly make a run next year.

Package offers involving key players are rarely seen in the WHL, with the exception of the trade deadline. In PG's case, Brodsky runs the show. Lubie and even sometimes Dempsey are just figureheads to carry out what Brodsky wants to happen.

The only deal Brodsky (through Lubie) needs to make, is acquire a 20 year-old defenceman. And that will only cost the team a mid-round pick. The Cougars have a deadly core of young players now, who could very well dominate the league next season. This season isn't the breakout year....next year is.

Don't the good fans of Prince George ever get fed up with Luby! I see that attendance is down, hasn't Brodsky taken notice. Oh to get a professional management team for this franchise.

All the Cougars need is new ownership. Brodsky runs the team. Why do you think Polonich and Butler left? They got fed up with Brodsky, a business man, telling them how to do their hockey jobs.

andora

09-23-2003, 06:51 PM

i hope wall all the best, and i hope he simply burns the cougars ***** whenever we play them

Canadian Chris

09-23-2003, 06:51 PM

agreed totally with Van.

Brodsky has WAY too much pull in the day to day dealings with the actual team itself.

I'm sure if he just stayed out, and stayed put, the the fans would begin to come back just because I'm sure Lubie could figure out what to do, and how to do it on his own!

VO #23

09-23-2003, 10:00 PM

PG just acquired overage defenseman Brett Dickie from Brandon for a fourth-round bantam pick in 2004 and PG's first-round import draft selection in 2004.

WHY did McCrimmon trade Brandon's only legit defensive defenseman for picks!? He should've traded Leslie for a bag of pucks and been happy with the return. :rant:

You Cougs fans are going to like Dickie, he's far from flashy (only like 37 points in his four-year career) but he is a rock in his own end. He was also the WHL Scholastic Player of the Year last season and was Brandon's first-round bantam pick in 1998.

Canadian Chris

09-23-2003, 10:29 PM

ya, I was just checking out his stats at hockeydb....

looks like the type of 20yr old every team needs. I'm guessing the guy could be a good leader....and I Bet he's going to be a busy busy man in PG's end....

Actually a nice move on Lubie's part.....I'm guessing they are believing in Rehak and Bolhshkov on staying with the team next season after trading away the first....

good stuff...

andora

09-23-2003, 11:09 PM

YES !

:yo:

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09-24-2003, 11:10 AM

The Cougars also acquired Brandon's 2nd round Import pick for 2004 in the deal.

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09-24-2003, 07:03 PM

Moved this over from the transaction thread.

cool. this means byfuglien will spend more time at forward :yo:

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09-27-2003, 12:42 AM

Why did I have to work tonight? Why? Why? Why?

I missed the funniest ****-up ever according to a friend. I can't wait to see a replay. :lol:

I wish hockey would count own-goals like they do in soccer.

And I know I went off on Swanson last week, but I'll do it again this week....that MF has bashed the officiating in every single article I have read so far this season. Here is what we will see in tomorrow morning's PG Citizen:

"Referee Kyle Rehman is not a fan of free-flow hockey, giving his lungs a workout and putting on a referee micro-management clinic while handing out 114 minutes in penalties. Because of the penalty barrage, Russian import Stanislav Bolshakov played sparingly in his first WHL game, but did impress with his skating."

Bashing Rehman is bad enough, but blaming Bolshakov's lack of ice time on him is just plain ludicrous.

What the **** is Swanson trying to prove? All he is accomplishing, is proving to the rest of us that he is a whiny *****. :rant:

Canadian Chris

09-27-2003, 12:55 AM

First things first....what the hell went wrong tonight? The cougars are not supposed to be able to play with the Rockets...let alone come back from being a goal down :p

haha...

and secondly....

I would've PAID to see Byfuglien score on his own net...DAMN that would've been PRICELESS!

andora

09-27-2003, 12:56 AM

well it was ****** reffing tonight, moreso inconsistencies above all else... also, he called the wrong coincidentals in order to *control* the mood of the game.. it wasn't very smooth...

aside, it was a filthy filthy game.. ugh.. just horrid hockey :rant:...

the bubba goal.. yeah, that was funny.. right past ford's right foot, not a chance, clean in...

if tonight was brent dickie's best, ugh.. disappointing...

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09-27-2003, 01:06 AM

well it was ****** reffing tonight, moreso inconsistencies above all else... also, he called the wrong coincidentals in order to *control* the mood of the game.. it wasn't very smooth...

Whether the officiating is good or bad, Swanson *****es about it. He's beating a dead horse and accomplishing absolutely nothing.

If a league official were to hand Swanson his jersey and whistle, Swanson would be up **** creek without a paddle.

andora

09-27-2003, 01:11 AM

oh for sure.. but don't get angry with him :p.. he's a loser regardless of what he writes... don't let it bother you...

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09-27-2003, 01:13 AM

oh for sure.. but don't get angry with him :p.. he's a loser regardless of what he writes... don't let it bother you...

I can't wait until the day my name is in Rehman's spot. Oh my god Swanson will hear it. :D

Lard_Lad

09-27-2003, 12:09 PM

"Referee Kyle Rehman is not a fan of free-flow hockey, giving his lungs a workout and putting on a referee micro-management clinic while handing out 114 minutes in penalties."

Ah, so apparently to encourage "free-flow hockey", Rehman should stop calling obstruction penalties. Brilliant, Mr. Swanson.

andora

09-27-2003, 12:11 PM

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09-27-2003, 02:06 PM

maybe if he DID call obstruction penalties :)...

however he did manage to make a couple of phantom calls, calling the wrong infraction to what actually happened, plus one time where he called the wrong guy

We saw that last week too. We will always see stuff like this at the start of the season (unfortunately) as the referees try to adapt to the league's new rules of emphasis. Give it a month and it will get better. I hate to say that as an official, but that's just the way it is in junior hockey.

Personally, I think the two referee system would smooth out a lot of these early season problems, and provide better quality officiating as a whole throughout the season.

Even so...it's not worth getting lambasted in the media the day after every game. Swanson needs to know his role...he is a sports writer, not a whiner with a media resource to make his crying available to thousands of locals.

andora

09-27-2003, 06:51 PM

no two referees... noon onononononononno nononooooooooooooooo

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09-27-2003, 10:44 PM

no two referees... noon onononononononno nononooooooooooooooo

After watching tonight's game...this league needs it. One set of eyes is just not enough for anything above Midget AAA...especially if the red line is taken out (which is rumoured at all levels that haven't done it yet). The calls Rehman made tonight were good, but the calls he missed were the type of calls a second referee would have made. There were often times, especially in the third period where Rehman was behind the play, whereas if he only has 2/3 of the ice to cover in a 2 referee system, he isn't as exhausted, and is always in position.

As for the game itself tonight...it was completely lacking of any intensity whatsoever, with the exception of the scraps late in the game.

I hate to be a devil's advocate, but I can honestly see Byfuglien sitting Wednesday's game against the Tigers after his tantrum. First thing, he tried to keep the fight going after it was over (why he didn't get an aggressor penalty is beyond me), he tried to manhandle Hyatt when he was being escorted to the gate, and we all know the league frowns on taunting, and the belt taunt a-la Tie Domi won't impress the WHL brass. Other than that, Bubba was pissed off, and he did something about it. Good for him.

I would like to know what the **** Michal Blanar was thinking when he dropped the mitts with Parker. I doubt this kid has ever been in a Grade 3 schoolyard fight...and he dares a proven tough guy in the WHL to scrap. And what made it even funnier is that Blanar got a Game Misconduct for not having his jersey tied down. Talk about adding insult to injury. :lol:

Myles Zimmer has one hell of a haymaker that just might entice Bodie to start his own "keep Zimmer away" religion.

Sunderman is an idiot. Only a goon with the lack of all brains would have made Moulton's attempt to get him to instigate a fight a successful effort. The actual fight was decent though.

Sunderman vs. Goulet = draw.

There was another scrap or two other than these ones...but you can get the message by my talking about nothing but the fights is because the rest of the game was a snoozer and nothing else is worthy of discussion.

andora

09-27-2003, 10:55 PM

i thought that too about bubba, getting the one gamer.. i seriously wouldn't be surprised...

other then that, bubba, hunter, patterson, girling, filewich all need to collectively remove their heads from their *****.. bunch of losers..

gardner should have been in, no doubt in my mind...

ugly ugly ugly ugly hockey.. that was horrid.. and it's just not flow, or intensity, it's everything.. that was hideous.. it was also painfully clear how outcoached we were tonight.. i love kelowna's system, and they are just so good... but our coach sucks, and it shone right through tonight..

but just putrid hockey.. UCK !

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09-27-2003, 10:59 PM

Can you imagine if Kelowna had Duncan Keith and Cam Paddock tonight? It would have been 12-0.

Oh, and I have a lot of respect for Kelly Guard...he did help get the Rockets to the Memorial Cup last season...but 2nd star tonight??? He faced maybe 5 quality shots.

andora

09-27-2003, 11:10 PM

:lol: 2nd star ? ouch...

i forgot all about keith.. omg.. paddock i hope will be back just so i can watch him play some more.. keith too... wow, they'll still be deadly.. to think that slovak is still eligible too, even though he'll be a bear this year...

Epsilon

09-27-2003, 11:25 PM

Oh man I so want to see the "highlights" of Bubba scoring on his own net. One of my friends was at the game, and said that after he scored his second goal, some guy threw his hat on the ice. :lol: :joker:

Lard_Lad

09-28-2003, 03:40 PM

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09-28-2003, 03:50 PM

How'd Justin Keller look? He's got a bunch of points already, but he didn't impress me in the preseason and going by the radio broadcast last night, it sounded like his linemates were the ones doing the real work. And any impressions of Chris Ray, #9 on Kelowna?

Honestly, nobody impressed me last night...on either team. Ray didn't get much icetime and I hardly knew Keller was there...but you could say that for everybody. The only reason Kelowna scored 6 goals is because the Rockets' team effort was 6 goals better than Prince George's team effort....and the Cougars' team effort was very piss poor.

Avery4Byng

09-28-2003, 05:17 PM

I havent been impressed with Ray yet this year.... Smaller forward seems to get caught up in traffic alot and just blend in.

andora

09-28-2003, 06:54 PM

kellar, you only notice him on the powerplay.. where he can work his skills..

overall 5on5 he was getting beat around, dumped the puck in and stayed on the peremiter....

Tarkus

09-30-2003, 06:27 PM

...A small favor for anyone going to the Tigers / Cougars game tomorrow night: Keep an eye out for Stefan Meyer and let me how he did.

Thanks in advance!

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10-01-2003, 09:59 PM

I almost crapped myself when I read the attendance figure for tonight's game against Medicine Hat...2,326.

That is only 142 more people than the everyday sellout at the old Prince George Coliseum. Hell, the Nanaimo Clippers of the BCHL are averaging 2,388 for a crowd so far this season.

Bad ownership or not....if we want to keep our team, we had better start attending games like we did in the late 90's...myself included. I just wish I could afford to spend $15 for most home games.

EDIT
Now that I see that the morons running the computers upstairs at the Multiplex typed the wrong attendance...it was really 3,236...I gotta take the above comments back...sort of.

I say "sort of" because the day where attendance does get that low is coming sooner than we all think.

andora

10-02-2003, 12:43 AM

couldn't get to the game tonight.. bartending school.. :p..

but i listened to some of it on the way home.. sounded like they were playing in a barrel.. and dull

and oh, our new play by play guys stinks ass.. he should be calling baseball

The Pucks

10-06-2003, 12:07 PM

Ed is gone, the search in on for a new coach. Dallas is interm.

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10-06-2003, 12:07 PM

Mr. Dempsey, will you please step into my office...

*gets Vince McMahon voice*

YOU'RE FIIIIIIIIIIIRED!!!

:yo:

http://www.pgcougars.com/pr/view.php?pr_id=624

Canadian Chris

10-06-2003, 07:22 PM

As much as I like the removal of Dempsey, the team is still not going to do much with Loubie and Brodsky running the show....idiots....but other than that...:yo:

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10-06-2003, 07:49 PM

It's strange....I went out for coffee last night with a friend, and we were discussing how Brodsky was too cheap to buy out Dempsey's contract and release him. This has always been my opinion, but for some reason last night, I thought that after losing to Vancouver yesterday, it might be the last straw for Dempsey...

...Then my friend woke me up at 9:00 this morning to tell me...I didn't start work until 2:00 and I wanted to sleep in dammit. :mad: :p

It'll be interesting to see who replaces Dempsey. There is no way Thompson stays as interim head coach for long.

The first thing I heard through the grapevine today, is that the Cougars would try to lure Ed Johnstone away from the Spruce Kings...but I highly doubt there is any truth to that whatsoever.

And last but not least...I don't think Dempsey was near the biggest of the Cougars problems. That reign belongs to Brodsky. That being said, any off-ice change for the Cougars is a good thing at this point in time...and it will be very interesting to hear the reaction of the players.

andora

10-06-2003, 10:14 PM

i don't care about ownership or whatever right now, the main problem is solved..

this team has all ingredients to challenge heavily next year and the year after... there is no lack of talent/grit/leadership *budding*/character/versatility/depth etc... to not be able to challenge..

these are kids, not 30 yr old professionals that dink around for the hell of it, these kids need a coach.. and hopefully we'll get a good one now, a guy that can take the talent/character etc.. that we have and mold it together...

i was so sick of seeing tyler bouck and justin cox come out and do the coach's main job, that is bringing the team out motivated.. countless times the onus lied on bouck and cox to simply do it themselves.. and that was never fair.. hopefully we get a good one now...

bye bye you stubborn ass

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10-06-2003, 10:21 PM

I'm going to start the unfounded speculation...

Does anybody know where Don Hay is these days? Is he still coaching the Utah Grizzlies?

andora

10-06-2003, 10:26 PM

NOOOOOO.... no hay.. :p

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10-06-2003, 10:28 PM

I got another one....Mike Vandekamp. His team in Vernon isn't off to the best start (5-1-0-4...bad for Vernon standards considering that is basically a 5-5 record)... he was in for the Brandon job until the last second and is dying for a WHL job. Could he possibly resign from the Vipers to take the Cougars job?

If we want somebody with motivational skills...Vandekamp is the man. He took a very mediocre Merritt Centennials to Game 7 of the BCHL Final 2 years ago.

andora

10-06-2003, 10:33 PM

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10-06-2003, 10:38 PM

hmm.. that name i like.. just no farmer hay :p..

vandekamp i do like, and i like the way his team played, merritt, i remember watching some merritt games, and they played tough hockey, emotional and fired up..

I remember the series Merritt had against the Spruce Kings the year he took the Cents to the final....Merritt swept the Kings in that series when PG was supposed to have a relatively easy time winning that series. He made the players believe in his system....a system that went from "drop your gloves and sucker punch your opponent" to "solid defence creates counterattack opportunity" within a week halfway through that season.

andora

10-06-2003, 10:42 PM

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10-06-2003, 10:55 PM

and i saw one of those *punch* games early, the ugly one with the brawls and such.. and then i saw them three other times later in the year.. and it wasn't even close.. simply better coached and systemized yes... quit taking awful penalties so much

After the big brawl, the BCHL basically told Vandekamp to clean up his team or they were going to do everything in the league's power to boot his ass out of the BCHL.

Since then, Vandekamp has been committed to winning for the most part. He tried to do some of his old antics when he first started in Vernon, and the Vipers front office told him that if he ever did that again, they'd fire him on the spot. After that, he went on a streak of something like 10 games where his team had no major penalties..including fight majors.

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10-06-2003, 10:59 PM

Here's another speculation...

Dale Marquette.

His bad reputation is for going too far in trying to motivate his troops (quite the opposite of Dempsey), and is rumoured to be the reason he "resigned" in Quesnel a couple years ago. Marquette was the interim head coach for the Cougars back in 95-96 after Doug Hobson was fired, only to be replaced by Stan Butler in the following off-season.

The only problem if the Cougars have an inkling to offer Marquette a job...is that it would be extremely tough to lure Dale away from his job, which last time I checked, is a sherrif's job.

andora

10-06-2003, 11:21 PM

well that whole vandekamp story really attracts me.. basically because of FIRE !.. now of course i don't condone bloodbaths.. nor would i want that, i'd want passionate hockey.. but he has the right passion for me :)

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10-06-2003, 11:26 PM

I agree. If I had to pick a guy right now for the job, Vandekamp would get it.

I just watched the story on the news, and Thompson isn't very bright....

"It had nothing to do with the attendance, and everything to do with the play on the ice"...followed by...

"The attendance has a lot to do with the fact we haven't been winning."

I cannot believe a front office man in the WHL can't see that he basically said the attendance is dwindling because Dempsey can't make the team win. :lol:

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10-07-2003, 07:19 PM

Here are some early speculation names that were in the Prince George Citizen this morning...These guys apparently have already contacted the Cougars...

Lane Lambert - Assistant Coach with Moose Jaw
Wade Klippenstein - Scout with Moose Jaw
Rick Lanz
Bob Loucks
Chad Mercier - Assistant Coach with Regina
Tim Bothwell

I still think Mike Vandekamp would be the right man for the job. Even if that were to mean waiting until the off-season with Dallas Thompson behind the bench this season, I'm willing to wait.

Avery4Byng

10-07-2003, 09:25 PM

What about Bryan Maxwell??

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10-07-2003, 09:29 PM

What about Bryan Maxwell??

His name hasn't been mentioned anywhere.

And wasn't he fired by Lethbridge? If so, why would anybody want him?

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10-08-2003, 03:05 AM

From Wednesday morning's PG Citizen:

First, don't bet on seeing BCHL veteran Mike Vandekamp, a former Merritt Centennials coach now with the Vernon Vipers, being the head coach of the Cougars, if Thompson is true to his word. Vandekamp, whose name was first put forward through the speculative guesswork of a Kamloops radio station, is considered an old school-type of coach.

BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

This is just wrong. Vandekamp is not old school. You don't win championships in junior anymore (even in Jr.A...especially the BCHL) by coaching old-school. The BCHL is a league where players can walk to another team if they don't like the coaching...and if Dempsey is any indication, young players don't like old-school coaches. The boys in Vernon seem to love his coaching methods....as Vandekamp's methods are winning methods. :rant:

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10-09-2003, 11:55 PM

Just thought I would give props to former Cougars in the NHL tonight...

Dan Hamhuis played 18:00 over 26 shifts in his NHL debut with Nashville tonight.

Chris Mason didn't play, but he was sitting on the Nashville bench cheering on Hamhuis. :p

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Blair Betts played 14:48 over 21 shifts as he was on the 2nd line for the most part with Calgary tonight.

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Sheldon Souray played 23:19 over 28 shifts tonight with Montreal.

Zdeno Chara played 23:59 over 30 shifts in the same game for Ottawa.

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Ronald Petrovicky played 5:31 over 9 shifts for Atlanta in an obviously emotional night at Philips Arena.

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Joel Kwiatkowski played 15:43 over 21 shifts for Washington in their big win tonight.

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Eric Brewer, a 2002 Olympic Gold Medalist, played 20:10 over 32 shifts, scored an assist and added 4 penalty minutes to his game with Edmonton tonight.

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Mike Leclerc did not play in Anaheim's first 2 games due to injury.

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This is my way of saying to the Cougars fans that no matter who is behind the bench at the Multiplex....there is a HUGE reason to show up and watch our team.

Tonight, seven former Prince George Cougars (not including backup goaltender Chris Mason and injured Mike Leclerc) played a total of 121:30 in the NHL.

And to add to that, although he played in Victoria, and not in Prince George...current Cougars Goaltending Coach Grant Fuhr had his #31 retired by the Edmonton Oilers tonight. Who knows if one of the aforementioned or somebody on the current roster will ever have that kind of honour bestowed upon him in the future. Is it not worth the chance to pay for tickets here and now?

To all of the above, Thank You!... :handclap: :bow:

Canadian Chris

10-10-2003, 09:52 AM

Totally agreed Van...and if I could show up at the plex tonight to watch the game I would. However, I have to work....

But it sure was nice to see Hamhuis out there last night. I'm hoping that he forces the Nashville Coaching staff's hand and makes them play him in the show this year.

I haven't read anything on the Nashville board yet regarding how he looked...but I don't think he looked too bad from the highlights I saw.

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10-10-2003, 11:21 AM

Totally agreed Van...and if I could show up at the plex tonight to watch the game I would. However, I have to work....

Yeah, what a hypocrit I am too....telling people to show up at the Multiplex when I have to be crosstown at the Coliseum. :p

andora

10-10-2003, 12:12 PM

HOLY MY GOD WE HAVE PRIESTLAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES YES YES YES YES

i like priestlay :p

Walsher

10-10-2003, 12:14 PM

How do the new additions fit into the lineup for the Cougs? We listen to all the games on the internet but curious to here who will be the odd men out in this situation. Hoping that Gardner won't find himself on the outside looking in due to the acquisition of another centerman. He has had a solid start to the year and had a good training camp. What does everyone think about the new bodies?

andora

10-10-2003, 12:19 PM

well i can guarantee you a couple things here depending on the situation...

if the cougars have another trade lined up which i'm sure/hope they do, it'll be forwards plus a dman for a top dman type guy... so a couple young guys can still stay around.. gardner being one of them, he's been the best 16 yr old by far up front

orrrr

if the cougars don't have a trade lined up or atleast talks already going for a dman, i see aspeland and one of boyer/rehak/gardner going down, maybe two of these three...

personally i think aspeland should be sent down now

about the new guys, i can't really remember lapointe, sorta but not really, so who knows where he'll fit.. as for priestlay, well, he can fit anywhere, hard worker, gritty, feisty, simon fergusonesque... personally i'd like to see him work with zimmer and parker on a line, or even patterson/drazenovic/priestlay... maybe getting those two kids to get their heads out of their ***** and start working

if we have a trade lined up for a dman, i sure hope it's girling going.. lazy ass :p

Canadian Chris

10-10-2003, 12:28 PM

Wait a minute Andora....weren't you preaching last year how you wanted Girling?!?!?! :p and now you want him gone?! lol.....MAKE UP YOUR MIND!

andora

10-10-2003, 12:44 PM

:).. well i never knew he was this lazy.. i knew he had great skill, but he's a lazy one way bum.. dump him

priestlay on the other hand is not lazy, different style of game, different player all together

mind made up.. girling you're outta here :)

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10-10-2003, 04:26 PM

*looks at Jason Goulet*

*sings*

NA NA NA NA..

NA NA NA NA..

HEY HEY HEY...

GOODBYE!!!

andora

10-10-2003, 05:52 PM

is ford 20? is this his overage year? i'm working under the belief it is.. someone set me straight :D

detseretnirevresbo

10-10-2003, 07:40 PM

The only ones who impressed me were Swystun (who was better than a lot of 18 year-olds at camp), Fuller and Bosecke.

Kamalski was terrible in the intrasquad game. He couldn't skate and his puck skills were average at best.

I wonder if Swystun will dog it in the playoffs with his minor hockey team later this season so he can play the last few weeks with the Cougars...kinda like how Drazenovic did last year. :p

I thought the tope 5 draft picks were all very good.

The three forwards were very quick and the two big D were outstanding as well.

The Pucks

10-10-2003, 09:12 PM

is ford 20? is this his overage year? i'm working under the belief it is.. someone set me straight :D

No, Todd is 19 this season.

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10-10-2003, 11:01 PM

The Pucks

10-11-2003, 06:09 AM

3,902 people showed up tonight at the Multiplex.

I thought the Cougars gave the fans what they wanted....a fired Ed Dempsey, and although they didn't get here in time to play tonight, acquired two good WHL veteran players (Priestlay and Lapointe).....and 3,902 people showed up.

I will cut some slack because it is Thanksgiving weekend....but come the next home game, it is put up or shutup time for Cougars fans. The next home game is on the 25th...I will be buying a ticket.

Making Dallas Thompson interm head coach is rubbing salt in the wound for many PG fans. Most wanted Dempsey gone, but most want the Brodsky family act gone. Dallas has a very poor relationship with the fans of PG.

The real test will be who they hire as coach. If it is viewed as a good hockey person who the fans respect, they will come back, but as long as Thompson is behind the bench, expect poor crowds.

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10-11-2003, 11:44 AM

The real test will be who they hire as coach.

My money is on somebody who has some kind of ties with the Saskatoon Blades.

Honestly, Mike Vandekamp is the kind of coach this team needs...they just don't know it and refuse to believe it.

andora

10-11-2003, 02:49 PM

cougars played brutal hockey last night... absolutely dominated, ford was very good in certain situations..

no coaching for the cats was painfully apparent, while lethbridge played like the devils. awesome size, grinding trapping style, good forecheck, good defense involvement.. all around this team is very good and together..

us on the other hand, we were putrid

Canadian Chris

10-12-2003, 02:06 AM

Got to play against Jason Goulet tonight....and I must tell you.....HE SUCKS!

seriously...had nothing....big, but SUCKED!

He was playing Rec B(for a mediocre team) and still wasn't standing out at all....WEAK I tells ya.

dropem

10-12-2003, 07:35 PM

andora

10-12-2003, 07:55 PM

First of all. It's rec hockey, I dont think he was trying too hard, and as far as mediocore I believe you lost 11-5. Have fun with your career in shoe sales when Goulet is off making money PLAYING HOCKEY. Funny you have to come on here to say that he sucks. No balls on the ice I guess.

HAHAHAHAHA.... sorry, this made me laugh out loud.. first, i'm sure chris wouldn't hesitate if need be to drop them with goulet the mad hugger..

second, who are you? are you jason goulet ? :p... if so.. mellow out, and i don't think the echl/uhl pays that much.. if you aren't jason goulet.. bugger off

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10-12-2003, 08:24 PM

Canadian Chris

10-13-2003, 12:03 AM

First of all. It's rec hockey, I dont think he was trying too hard, and as far as mediocore I believe you lost 11-5. Have fun with your career in shoe sales when Goulet is off making money PLAYING HOCKEY. Funny you have to come on here to say that he sucks. No balls on the ice I guess.
woah...simmer down sparky...I'm pretty sure we did lose 11-5....oh well...and ya, it's rec B...and no, I don't play rec B

But he still looked like **** out there.

And by the way, there's time's in life when you have to decide what is going to be better for you. Trying to make a career out of something(like hockey) or getting a degree and having something to fall back on. Sorry if I decided hockey wasn't going to be the way for me to make a living.

andora

10-13-2003, 12:56 AM

chris did you speed up your hippo? it looks faster tonight .. :p...

Canadian Chris

10-13-2003, 10:21 AM

My hippo looks like it's outta control :cry:

I don't think I did anything to it :(

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10-13-2003, 11:42 PM

A couple notes from Cougar camp...

The team released Luke Boyer before leaving for Saskatoon. He will likely land in the AJHL.

Jason Goulet, released by the Cougars last Friday, has accepted a contract with Fresno of the ECHL.

Canadian Chris

10-14-2003, 12:57 AM

Well there ya go....Goulet gets a chance to make some coin playing hockey while I'm stuck playin lowly old rec A in prince george and getting a degree :cry: oh the humanity :rolleyes:

Big_Mac

10-14-2003, 01:52 PM

The Cougars are playing the Wheat Kings Friday here. They got a new team since they came here last.

PensFan68

10-16-2003, 02:01 PM

From a Pens fan, I'd love to know how Filewich is playing. I don't know if you've discussed him or not, to be honest, I'm too lazy to look through all the posts. :o

Canadian Chris

10-16-2003, 03:46 PM

I'm sure you'll be able to get some sort of report from one of the guys in Brandon....and any of us who listen to the game on the radio this weekend.

Other than that, I can't say much of anything as I've been too busy to get to a Cougars game this year. Your best bet would be for Andora or Van to answer that for you.

From what I've heard though, he seems to be himself....hot one game, cold, disinterested the next...

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10-16-2003, 07:08 PM

From what I've heard though, he seems to be himself....hot one game, cold, disinterested the next...

I have seen 2 games so far...

Home opener vs. Kootenay: Filewich was awesome. Scored a few points, throwing hits left, right and centre...basically he made something happen every time he was on the ice.

2 games later vs. Kelowna: Apparently he had about 15:00 of ice time in this game...I sure couldn't tell. The team played horrible, but the game was very physical....a game that Filewich should have had no problem getting involved in.

andora

10-16-2003, 07:55 PM

filewich appears to be one of those players that goes when the team goes, and just sucks when the team sucks.. he needs a real motivator, something we haven't had in 7 yrs behind the bench..

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10-17-2003, 11:18 AM

As an addition onto my "we have a reason to buy tickets" rant...

A bit shout out to Hammy for bagging his first NHL goal last night !!!

:bow: :handclap:

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10-18-2003, 01:25 AM

From Saturday's Prince George Citizen:

The Prince George Cougars have settled on who to hire as their new head coach, The Citizen has learned.

Barring an impasse in contract negotiations, Lane Lambert will take over the position on a full-time basis some time next week.

http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/news/20031018/20031018n2.html
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Dammit all to hell, I f***in knew it. Why doesn't Brodsky just move the ****** team to Saskatoon and give that city 2 teams....at least the Cougars staff would all be living at home. :rant:

Granted, Lambert is currently assistant in Moose Jaw (ironically the Cougars opponent tonight), he played for Saskatoon when Brodsky and Lubie were the main men in Saskatoon.

I just knew this was going to happen instead of going after a good coach who knows what he is doing (Mike Vandekamp) instead of a coach with "family" ties.

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10-18-2003, 01:41 AM

From the Cougars website ( www.pgcougars.com )

Do you think you have what it takes to dress the Prince George Cougars? If so, the Prince Cougars need your help in creating and designing a third jersey for their hockey club. The Cougars are encouraging all interested people to be a part of this contest, by simply submitting their unique, full colour design to the Cougars email address at cougars@mag-net.com ., or by dropping off their artwork to the Cougar office at the Multiplex.

Upon arrival of all submissions, one contestant’s design will be chosen and used as a third jersey for the Prince George Cougars next season. In addition to having the Cougars use your design; the lucky winner will also receive tickets to spend a night in the Cougars suite, and of course, will be presented with a jersey once production has been completed.

Make sure you do not miss out on this amazing opportunity to showcase your creative talents. All eligible entries must be received by November 15, 2003. Good luck and may the best designer win!! “Let’s Get Rowdy”!!
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Well, she may be a Brodsky....but Brandi seems to know what she is doing.

I bet back when Dane (********) McKinnon was business manager, he wouldn't let me pay for half of a Kyle Stanton game worn jersey now and wait for my next payday to pay it off.

andora

10-18-2003, 01:55 AM

yay.. let's see what abortion of a jersey they pick

Canadian Chris

10-18-2003, 02:21 AM

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10-18-2003, 03:02 AM

Hey Van, maybe it is possible that Vanderkamp wanted nothing to do with the Cougars...and more importantly, management and ownership. I mean, Lambert may very well have been the only guy who is willing to put up with the **** he's going to have to put up with.

Of course time will tell as to see how it all unfolds and works out.

Apparently Vandekamp was the first to call Lubienicki about the job.

*starts designing jersey*

Who knows...maybe since I'm buying a game worn jersey from the team this week, they'll favour me. :p

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10-19-2003, 12:49 AM

There is no link yet (reason why I'm posting this here instead of the transaction thread)....

The Cougars traded Adam Flick to Regina for a conditional 6th round pick (if I remember correctly).

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10-20-2003, 02:12 AM

The latest rumour (which will be read in this morning's PG Citizen) is that Lane Lambert could be named head coach as early as today.

My bet is that he resigned his post as Moose Jaw's assistant immediately after Saturday's game and will be on the road to Swift Current this morning to accept his new job.

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10-20-2003, 03:45 PM

Well, it's official. Lambert is the new man behind the Cougars bench.

I'm at work now, but when I get home, I will post pictures of my new Kyle Stanton game worn jersey. :yo:

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10-20-2003, 08:14 PM

http://www.nashvillepredators.com/Gallery/Games/2003_04/20031018/photo2.jpg

Oh the memories. :yo: :bow:

andora

10-20-2003, 10:54 PM

holy ****, is that hammy pulling his trademark in the N-H-L..

yes ! :handclap:

dropem

10-25-2003, 12:50 PM

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10-25-2003, 01:30 PM

Avery4Byng

10-25-2003, 02:09 PM

I actually enjoy popping in here and reading whats goin on in PG and asking the odd questin. these guys know theyre hockey and are always able to answer any questions omeone may ask... grow up.

Canadian Chris

10-25-2003, 08:00 PM

I hope all three of you go to the game tonite so you will have something new to ***** about. Beware, the pop will be cold, the popcorn might be warm and if you cheer loud enough we might even get a win, but I am sure that you will find someone who "sucks", or "doesnt have enough skill", and then race home to your computers to talk about it.
Actually, I've got better things to do tonight than go watch the Cougars....sorry.

Personally, I think they're a good team, with TONS of potential. I really don't complain too much even when I DO go to the games either, which should be noted is usually 25-30 home games a year, and a couple on the road if I'm in said town when they are there as well.

Now tell me, since I'm paying and all, do I not have the right to complain if I feel the product on the ice, and certain players, SUCK!?!?

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10-25-2003, 11:29 PM

I got to tonight's game with about 15:00 left in the 2nd period...combination of a gong show Midget AAA game I lined earlier and a staff meeting at work made me late.

Anyway...the Cougars had the effort tonight. They outshot Moose Jaw 46-22 if my memory serves me right (and that is a generous count...PG had at least 5-7 shots not counted)...if not for Joey Perricone, a 16 year-old from San Juan, California making his WHL debut in the Warriors net in unbelievable fashion, the Cougars would have killed the Warriors.

I was impressed enough that if I had the cash, I would buy a ticket for Tuesday's game...but being 19 and broke has its downfalls.

But I gotta say it....will somebody PLEASE teach Devin Featherstone how to shoot a ****** puck!? He must have shot the puck at the net 7-8 times in the time of the game I saw, and not one shot hit the net.

andora

10-26-2003, 11:43 AM

andora

10-28-2003, 10:42 PM

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10-28-2003, 11:22 PM

boy portland is a bunch of women, grabbing people from behind, can't take hits etc.. etc..

big snake is the most useless player i've ever seen in my life, what a loser

too bad funk got a five and game early, i love watching him play, and he looked decent enough too tonight..

coburn coasted all night, did nothing, he looks bored. you can sure tell he's the biggest bestest talent on the ice..

pogge has a pro like attitude already, i love it :).. after every save he takes the puck to the faceoff dot.. even skates through players to get to it, i like it.. he was very very sharp tonight..

cooper and yeo looked awful, but when you have your game mauled by dempsey and then spit on by thompson, it's only logical for the new coach to need time to get them back on track..

cats looked good tonight, THEY'RE ACTUALLY PLAYING A SYSTEM.. finally it shows that there is a man called coach behind the bench, the game looks structured now on our side, thank the holy lord in heaven...

good looking powerplay, priestlay is god, lapointe i love, filewich is looking feistier and faster and more involved, and bolshakov is playing with more confidence.. i loved it tonight.. good showing...

oh, and dubinsky sucks.. i can't wait until next game and hope moulton or zimmer pounds him into the ice

The first thing I noticed both Saturday and tonight is the effort. It is actually there.

Funk is fun to watch....but it was his own stupidity that got him KO'ed by Myles Zimmer. :yo: Too bad they both got booted on a technicality.

Big Snake disgusted me as well. Sure, he KO'ed Hunter, but when you are down 5-1, you do not do the hand wiping motion and challenge your opponent's bench on your way out.

POGGE! POGGE! POGGE! That is all. :yo:

Cats penalty kill looked spectacular. That early 2-man advantage kill helped set the pace for the Cougars.

All I have to say to Shane Halifax...oh my good god you are so damn lucky that Byfuglien fell down during that fight.

I didn't think Filewich was that good tonight. He still looked like he was expecting everything to come to him instead of having to work for it himself.

The scorekeepers here in PG suck. The game has been over for almost 2 hours now, and the first goal, where Byfuglien was the only Cougar in the offensive zone, is still officially credited to Featherstone. :lol:

andora

10-28-2003, 11:25 PM

i think filewich looked good in the skating department, he skated a lot harder then usual tonight, and he came rushing into the scrum at center in the first period after a portland guy slashed dickie's stick away, he came right in.. he was getting involved around the crease.. it was a much better effort..

i wouldn't say big snake koed him, maybe a tko for the takedown, however hunter did much much better then i thought he would have, he hung in there and kept big snake from punking...err.. punching him..

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11-02-2003, 07:55 PM

Time for Van to stir the pot and start some ruckus in this thread. :yo:

With Justin Pogge getting his third consecutive start tonight in PG's 3-1 win over Tri City... 2 wins, a GAA of 1.00 and a Save % of .961 in those 3 games (2nd star against POR, 1st star tonight)... could Todd Ford be on his way out of Prince George?

I know it is only three games that Pogge has shined in, but Todd Ford is an elite goaltender who is supposed to sign a contract and go to the AHL as a 20 year-old next season. It is only a matter of time before he will start to get unhappy with his playing time if Pogge keeps getting 3 consecutive starts (assuming Ford plays in Cranbrook Tuesday).

This, of course, is nothing against Ford. I just wonder if with the Cougars plan to be the dominant team in BC not this season, but next season...if it would be an option to dangle Ford to contending teams before the deadline while playing out the season with 17 year-old Pogge, who appears to be seriously challenging for Ford's job anyway imo.

Oh, and congrats to Luke Boyer for scoring his first WHL goal tonight. :)

Walsher

11-02-2003, 10:28 PM

Oh, and congrats to Luke Boyer for scoring his first WHL goal tonight.

Sorry Van, but Luke Boyer was cut like 3 weeks ago. Lapointe switched to #22 so you must be screwed up.

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11-02-2003, 11:15 PM

The part where I screwed up was forgetting Boyer got cut....an easy mistake when the WHL website doesn't remove him from the system.

Luke Boyer is still officially credited with a WHL goal tonight, so it would be the geniuses at the Western Hockey League who have it wrong.

http://www.whl.ca/stats/game-report.php?game_id=27060

This would be the first game Lapointe has worn 22 (he wore 24 for the Cougars last game, which I was at), so the only way to know this, would be if I listened to the radio, which I did not due to other commitments.

PS: Click "reply" (the one next to the edit button) when quoting somebody. It just makes it easier on all readers.

andora

11-02-2003, 11:50 PM

i don't think pogge will take the job.. i think ford will get back in there and get in a veteran groove.

i'm loving pogge and his character though

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11-03-2003, 12:55 AM

i'm loving pogge and his character though

No doubt. He is a 17 year-old reminding me of Chris Mason.

If Ford does get into a veteran groove, and the Cougars aren't in position for a good playoff run, I see the contenders making serious pitches for him....same kind of situation as Regina with Josh Harding.

andora

11-03-2003, 01:52 AM

for sure, if we're out of a playoff spot, trade him for as good as package as possible

Walsher

11-03-2003, 12:27 PM

[QUOTE=Van]The part where I screwed up was forgetting Boyer got cut....an easy mistake when the WHL website doesn't remove him from the system.

Luke Boyer is still officially credited with a WHL goal tonight, so it would be the geniuses at the Western Hockey League who have it wrong.

This would be the first game Lapointe has worn 22 (he wore 24 for the Cougars last game, which I was at), so the only way to know this, would be if I listened to the radio, which I did not due to other commitments.[QUOTE]

Van you feel the need to jump all over any other poster that makes a mistake in a sarcastic manner most times for no reason at all. People make comments you try and shoot them down, people misspell players names you shoot them down, people have opinions and you shoot them down. Buddy you're a referee in Tier 2 junior hockey! You probably never even played the game. Could that be the reason that only 3 or 4 people post on this board on a regular basis? I think it is. You have this issue with thinking you are the most hardcore Cougs fan there is yet you didn't even know Luke Boyer got cut when the team was on it's way to Sakatoon like 3 weeks ago. If you did know, why wouldn't you piece together that he didn't score last night? For such an intense fan that seems like a silly mistake. Then again maybe you have no clue what your talking about in the first place - ya that seems like the more likely scenario.

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11-03-2003, 09:43 PM

Van you feel the need to jump all over any other poster that makes a mistake in a sarcastic manner most times for no reason at all. People make comments you try and shoot them down, people misspell players names you shoot them down, people have opinions and you shoot them down. Buddy you're a referee in Tier 2 junior hockey! You probably never even played the game. Could that be the reason that only 3 or 4 people post on this board on a regular basis? I think it is. You have this issue with thinking you are the most hardcore Cougs fan there is yet you didn't even know Luke Boyer got cut when the team was on it's way to Sakatoon like 3 weeks ago. If you did know, why wouldn't you piece together that he didn't score last night? For such an intense fan that seems like a silly mistake. Then again maybe you have no clue what your talking about in the first place - ya that seems like the more likely scenario.

First of all, I do not consider myself a hardcore Cougars fan. I am a fan of the game who pays attention to his local team.

Secondly, it is not "Tier 2", it is "Junior A".

Third, I played the game for 10 years. (Where did you ever get this impression? :lol: )

Last but not least, I admit forgetting about Boyer getting cut...not knowing that Lapointe had changed his number because the last game he played, he wore #24....I admit I did not listen to the radio broadcast of last night's game, meaning I only had the information that the WHL was providing online....I provide a link proving that the WHL has not removed Luke Boyer as #22 for the Prince George Cougars....and you jump down my throat with a load of baseless accusations.

If you cannot contribute positively to this board, please refrain from posting here in the future.

Walsher

11-04-2003, 01:24 PM

One thing Gerald Overton is seeing this off-season is how much the BCHL is known around not only Canada, but the United States as well. "I don't think a lot of people in Quesnel know how good the league is," he said. "On my flight down (to Alabama), everyone knew about the BCHL. It's probably the best Tier 2 Junior League."

- Quesnel Millionaires Website

A big, skilled winger who can both score and set up the play, Bitz is considered to be a very good skater for his size. He was only the 143rd-ranked North American skater by Central Scouting, but the Bruins bucked the trend as they normally do and took the Tier 2 player at the beginning of the fourth round in Nashville.

- hockeyjournal.com

Their accomplishments were substantial. Not only did this team win major international tournament championships, the BC Provincial Championship (undefeated), this team also captured the prestigious Western Canadian Bantam Hockey Championship (the Stanley Cup of Bantam Hockey) the first BC team in 27 years to do so. With an impressive seasonal record of 73 wins, 5 losses and 3 ties, 25 shut-outs, 25 one goal against games for a total of 454 goals for and 83 goals against, the results speak for themselves. As well, they became the first team in B.C. to win the Medicine Hat Alberta International Invitational tournament in the history of the competition. As of the 2001 season, 14 out of 17 players went on to play Junior hockey, 6 at the Western Hockey League Level, 2 at the Junior A Tier 2 level, and 6 at the Junior B level.

- hockeyschoolonline.com

Hughes, also 21, from Toronto, Ontario, will enter his first full pro season. After a stint in the Ontario Junior League, Hughes played the majority of last season at the Tier II level in the Ontario Provincial Junior A League. He scored 35 goals and 42 assists in 45 games with Georgetown, second on the team in overall scoring. He then joined the pro ranks with the Bats during last year's President's Cup Playoffs, appearing in ten games and scoring his first pro goal in a thrilling Game Five of last year's Cup Finals.

- icebats.com

The fact is that Junior A hockey is known as Tier 2 - it is Tier 2. WHL is Tier 1 Major Junior hockey. Junior A is and always will be Tier 2. People in hockey refer to it as Tier 2, the Tier 2 teams themself refer to it as Tier 2, the league's governing bodies refer to it as Tier 2. I don't understand why you insist it isn't this way. This is exactly what I was talking about in my last post. You have this need to correct people about everything even when they are right and you are wrong. When other people correct you, you jump on the defensive and then attack whoever corrects you. You referee Tier 2 Junior hockey - yes it is Junior A but officially known as Tier 2 Junior hockey. To say anything to the contrary of that would be naive. So there you go a positive post that helped the readers understanding of hockey a little better. They and you as well now know, based on cited sources, that it is Tier @ Junior hockey. Perfect glad we all learned or reinforced something new today. I feel much better!!

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11-04-2003, 03:37 PM

Here is what you don't get...

In USA Hockey, it is "Tier I" and "Tier II".

In Hockey Canada, it is "Major Junior" and "Jr.A".

Ask former BCHL boss Ron Boileau what he thinks about calling Jr.A "Tier II".....I guarantee he will give you the nastiest of nasty responses.

Walsher

11-04-2003, 04:12 PM

It doesn't matter what you or your buddy thinks - It is Tier 2 Junior Hockey!! Ask Hockey Canada - I did. The response was not as you say. In fact they agree whole heartedly with me. Look at the sources I provided - they are Canadian teams, Canadian sources, Canadian Tier 2 hockey people. You think because you are a scorekeeper or waterboy for some Tier 2 team that you have the inside scoop or inside knowledge that I wouldn't have. The problem is you don't. I highly doubt that a scorekeeper would even have the opportunity to meet in any depth with the president of the league and if you did I doubt he would display any disgust with people calling his league Tier 2. You figure you are an important part of the league and in order to justify its importance and your connection to it this raging need to make sure everyone calls it Junior A. Don't get me wrong people do call it Junior A, but like I said before it is referred to as Tier 2 Junior Hockey. This is not only the case in the USA and definately not the case in every province except BC. But the bottom line is its not as big a deal as you need to make it. Thats for you to deal with anyway.

Tavares61

11-04-2003, 07:34 PM

Can any of you guys tell me about Jonathan Filewich...

From what I read, they project him to be a 3rd line NHL checker...accurate?

THANKS

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11-04-2003, 07:37 PM

andora

11-04-2003, 07:43 PM

Can any of you guys tell me about Jonathan Filewich...

From what I read, they project him to be a 3rd line NHL checker...accurate?

THANKS

well, to be honest he's got the skillset of a future top liner, skating is beautiful, awesome size, strength and skills that are great.. however he's got the attitude mental consistency of an ahler imo..

cam paddock, another pittsburgh prospect, similar to filewich a little, however i think paddock has less physical capabilities but he makes up for it with insane work ethic and consistent character, something filewich had better work on..

at this rate i see him as an ahler foddler for a few years, however a third line checker somewhere around 24/25 yrs of age sounds pretty reasonable

Tavares61

11-04-2003, 08:23 PM

andora's box ...............THANK YOU MUCHLY :handclap:

andora

11-04-2003, 08:27 PM

however i should add, that filewich must buckle down and improve his work ethic and effort on a nightly basis. i say that third line spot on the pens is reasonable, but he'll have to work his ass off to get it. the talent is easily there, but pittsburgh's farm is deep, lots of forwards of all kinds of talents, and he'll have to increase his ethic to surpass them

andora

11-04-2003, 11:39 PM

just a hunch, i don't know where this is coming from, but i don't think the cougars have made their last trades this year.. with the recent vet acquisitions, the team sits in an interesting spot..

if they can get it together they can afford to add a couple more vets *19yr olds* and go for a run, preferably a solid top three dman.. or, if they continue to hum and haw in the standings they can sell off some guys and replenish a little for next year..

just curious, who would we say is untouchable in either scenario?...

for me, the untouchables across the board are:

cooper
yeo
byfuglien
drazenovic
hunter
moulton
parker
zimmer

anyone else?

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11-04-2003, 11:58 PM

In numerical order, my untouchables are...

1. Pogge
3. Cooper
4. Byfuglien
10. Drazenovic
11. Bolshakov
15. Yeo
16. Priestlay
17. Filewich
20. Hunter
22. Lapointe
23. Zimmer
28. Parker

BCCHL inactive

11-07-2003, 09:44 PM

God our radio guy is an idiot...

I'm listening to the game on the radio on the way home from work..it's the 3rd period....he says how the penalties are 8-2 in favour of PG and how the referee is "only seeing one colour", etc...

I get home, go to the WHL website, and find that when he was complaining about so many more penalties against the Cougars, the penalties were in fact 8-6 in favour of PG....not this 8-2 load of crap.

andora

11-08-2003, 01:30 AM

there was a stretch where pg had three straight penalties against, 2 for sure back to back... may be a discrepancy in the time line that's all..

kelowna = damn good hockey team, cocky as hell, bunch of cocky dicks, but damn they are a good hockey team

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11-08-2003, 02:11 AM

Trust me andora. ;)

He said that after Fogolin's cross checking penalty.......it was 8-5 or 8-6 after that penalty.

andora

11-08-2003, 02:13 AM

oh my was that LAME .. brutal call..

oh yeah, trade filewich and girling.. girling is lazy and filewich is an ass.. i wouldn't even want to look at him in the dressing room as the coach..

TRADE

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11-08-2003, 02:32 AM

So you're saying it is going to be an interesting game tomorrow night?

I will be there wearing my brand new Nashville Predators dark authentic jersey.....boss forgot to send it away for cresting today, so I gotta wait for next Friday. :mad:

andora

11-08-2003, 12:37 PM

it should be an ok game tonight i think, guys were pretty frustrated last night, it could go two ways..

- frustration could develop into aggression and it turns into a pissing match like all the kelowna games have

- lambert uses the frustration as a positive and they come out aggressive on the puck, and play real mean hockey with good forechecking and passing etc... crashing to the net..

we'll see..

shoot filewich

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11-08-2003, 10:44 PM

Yes, shoot Filewich...he may have scored 3 assists, but one watching the game tonight sure couldn't tell. He was not deserving of the 2nd star against the Rebels.

Listening to the postgame show, I don't know where everybody gets the impression that the Cougars got stronger as the game went on. That rang true from the first to second periods, but the third period was ALL Red Deer. I don't think the Cougars played that well tonight other than the second period. They won because their defence played well and the goaltending was very, very solid.

I like Bolshakov and Byfuglien on a line together. They work well and think alike. It's just too bad Byfuglien got hurt in the first period. I don't know what happened, but it looked like he had trouble walking down the tunnel, so I'm thinking he might have re-aggrevated his groin injury from a few weeks ago.

Dion Phaneuf is awesome.

As I mentioned already...the goaltending for the Cougars was great. I'm saying it now....Pogge is the go-to guy in the Cougars net. Nothing against Ford, he is a great goaltender and playing well too, but I think Pogge is slowly taking his job.

Dylan Yeo and Mike Fogolin are this team's future on defence. Plain and simple. They both played their best games of the season tonight (at least among the games I have seen).

Tyrell Moulton will have an NHL career if he gives this kind of effort every night...and I see no indication otherwise.

Overall, the Cougars defensive play deserved the win. I didn't think the forwards played all that well tonight despite burying 4 goals.

andora

11-09-2003, 12:40 AM

i'll be a little more negative here .. :)..

we need another dman, moulton cannot play that many minutes, i guess dickie is that guy and we just have to wait for him to come back, but we need another one. i would like to see another trade for a veteran guy

yeo was so so, horrid at times and ok at other times.. i've seen him much much better..

fogolin is building his confidence back up after losing it under dempsey. the first few games of the season he was playing really well, rushing, hitting, pinching, leading rushes etc... and then he just disappeared into a shell under dempsey, and thompson, who i don't even know if he dressed for.. now he looks like he's got some confidence back and his energy back..

girling who? oh yeah, he was scratched, didn't matter

filewich is a knob.. i will state again, i couldn't even look at him in the dressing room, i'd snap. that type of talent package and he pisses it away with no character, no effort, no intensity.. chalk filewich up to an ahler for life

byfuglien had ramajaki *spelling?* run him open ice and he turned, i think he jammed his elbow as the rebel hit him.. i'd guess elbow or ribs..

bolshakov, keep the elbows down, but i love him. getting more confidence, skating better, still making nice quick plays.. he's impressing me, a guy that doesn't like euros :p

yes, phaneuf is fricken awesome, he's got everything, makes coburn look like featherstone :eek:.. :p..

drazenovic should forget about using the prettiest stick and start working like he did in the first two games, hitting and forechecking..

patterson could use the same kick in the ass as filewich

hunter looks like he's back, hitting and lipping and starting scrums.. that's how he's gotta play, good to see..

zimmer/parker are just zimmer and parker, working hard and not really making mistakes, just not scoring. i think parker should be bumped off that line and maybe put on with hunter or something, zimmer and lapointe i like together, but parker doesn't seem to be clicking.. maybe shift falloon in there.. no idea..

gardner, again, i love.. that's how he's played each game i've seen him, he should be in the lineup of drazenovic for sure.. throwing hits and digging hard, good faceoffs and was skating well.. good looking kid..

i can't think of anything else..

goteam

11-09-2003, 08:40 PM

Dylan Yeo and Mike Fogolin are this team's future on defence. Plain and simple. They both played their best games of the season tonight (at least among the games I have seen).

hey Prince George fans......i noticed a few games from the S'toon tournament on the weekend.

two very good young defensemen------Dylan Yeo and Mike Fogolin-----both excellent skaters.
That is funny! I was thinking the same thing 2 months ago. Being as that they have quite a bit of hockey talent in their blood.

Fogolin - his father
Yeo - his uncle, Dave Manson (or at least I've heard).

Walsher

11-09-2003, 08:43 PM

What is it with you making assumptions when you have absolutely no basis to do so?

You have no right to tell me what knowledge I do and do not have because frankly, you don't know what I do and don't know.

Calling Jr.A hockey in Canada "Tier II" is slang, and many people involved in the CANADIAN JUNIOR A HOCKEY LEAGUE take offence to that slang term...including myself.

But please....if you want to take shots at me personally, get some ammo before you pull the trigger.

Van,

I have been continually trying to learn more about the Tier 1 - Tier 2 issue that has been started on this thread, first with krooky and now with myself. I found the perfect source that helped clarify the whole situation for myself and hopefully for yourself as well. A good friend of mine who played seasons in the Alberta Junior Hockey League, leading that league in scoring one season by a mile, filled me in on the facts of this arguement. This individual now acts as a consultant for the AJHL travelling to the different teams and discussing the hockey options the players have with their guardians and families. He said, with conviction, that Major Junior Hockey is known as Tier1. Junior A hockey is clearly known as Tier 2. Perhaps you misinterpreted what the old president of the BC Junior A league meant by the term slang. In fact, this source said that if you want to get really picky, Junior A is slang for Tier 2 Junior hockey. In reality - Junior A hockey is Major Junior Hockey. If you talk Junior A hockey with people in Eastern Canada, they think you are talking OHL or QMJHL. In essence Junior A as we know it is actually Junior B hockey. He found it very difficult to believe that any person in contact or employed by the Tier 2 hockey would consider that term slang because the fact is it is not. The only slang would be calling it Junior A when in the majority of the country Junior A is Major junior hockey. This is a direct fact from an extremely knowledgeable individual now employed by the AJHL. This should put an end to this issue I know it has for me.

The Pucks

11-09-2003, 09:06 PM

I don't know who your friend is, but frankly, he is wrong. Van is correct in this situation. A few years back Hockey Canada made a name change for all leagues. The WHL, OHL and QMJHL are all know as Major Junior. Here is a quick link which proves that:

http://www.whl.ca/about/?id=111

"The Canadian Hockey League is the governing body that coordinates the efforts of the three Major Junior leagues in Canada - the Western Hockey League, the Ontario Hockey League, and the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League."

If I can find a link about Junior A, then I will pass it along. I don't know about the Alberta league, but the BCHL is know as Junior A.

edit: http://www.hockeycanada.ca/e/tools/links.html
Look in there links under "junior A" it list quite a few teams from the AJHL.

edit: follow this link: http://www.ajhl.ca/
Click on New and Info, then click on League Directory, you will find the heading:
"Chairman of the Board Hockey Alberta Junior A Council Chairman "

Anywhere you look on the official web site, it is refered to as Junior A, nowwhere is the term "teir 1 or Teir 2 nor Junior B" used. You may want to tell your friend to brush up on his stuff.

And just for good measure, how about this link:

http://www.cjahl.com/e/index.html

the "Canadian Junior A Hockey League" with 138 teams in 10 leagues, including the BCHL and AJHL.

Van,

I have been continually trying to learn more about the Tier 1 - Tier 2 issue that has been started on this thread, first with krooky and now with myself. I found the perfect source that helped clarify the whole situation for myself and hopefully for yourself as well. A good friend of mine who played seasons in the Alberta Junior Hockey League, leading that league in scoring one season by a mile, filled me in on the facts of this arguement. This individual now acts as a consultant for the AJHL travelling to the different teams and discussing the hockey options the players have with their guardians and families. He said, with conviction, that Major Junior Hockey is known as Tier1. Junior A hockey is clearly known as Tier 2. Perhaps you misinterpreted what the old president of the BC Junior A league meant by the term slang. In fact, this source said that if you want to get really picky, Junior A is slang for Tier 2 Junior hockey. In reality - Junior A hockey is Major Junior Hockey. If you talk Junior A hockey with people in Eastern Canada, they think you are talking OHL or QMJHL. In essence Junior A as we know it is actually Junior B hockey. He found it very difficult to believe that any person in contact or employed by the Tier 2 hockey would consider that term slang because the fact is it is not. The only slang would be calling it Junior A when in the majority of the country Junior A is Major junior hockey. This is a direct fact from an extremely knowledgeable individual now employed by the AJHL. This should put an end to this issue I know it has for me.

Walsher

11-09-2003, 09:29 PM

The Pucks

11-09-2003, 10:01 PM

You are 100% wrong.

The terms Tier 1 and Tier 2 no longer exist. They are from prior to 1993. I have supplied you with links from the exact organizations you are talking about, how can you argue with that.

The terms Tier 1 is SLANG. It is an old term still used, but out of context and wrong.

Offically Van is 100% correct.

Once again, read the links!!

You don't understand the context of the arguement. Van is adiment that Junior A hockey is not Tier 2. He is wrong. My post is reinforcing the fact that hockey people, from hockey Canada as well as within the different leagues refer to WHL, OHL, QMJHL as Tier 1 Major junior. Junior A leagues as we know them are Tier 2 Junior Hockey. Now, in Ontario and Eastern provinces if you were discussing Junior A hockey you would be refering to OHL QMJHL. The public perception and especially that of Van is misguided and incorrect. Junior A is referred to as Junior A but it's official name is Tier 2 Junior. That is not slang that is fact. This source is more reliable than any of the opinions that people have here on this board. He is employed in an important role by the AJHL TIer 2 hockey league and has played there on a high level. Your arguement reinforces my point. Yes WHL OHL QMJHL is Major Junior - that is not anything new to this equation. The fact is that Major Junior is Tier 1 and Junior A as we know it is Tier 2. I am definately not wrong and neither is my source. Your argument changes nothing as it does not go against anything I have said.

The Pucks

11-09-2003, 10:03 PM

You state he is employed by "AJHL TIer 2 hockey "

That league does not exist! I already supplied you with the home link for the AJHL, and they refer to themselves as Junior A!

You don't understand the context of the arguement. Van is adiment that Junior A hockey is not Tier 2. He is wrong. My post is reinforcing the fact that hockey people, from hockey Canada as well as within the different leagues refer to WHL, OHL, QMJHL as Tier 1 Major junior. Junior A leagues as we know them are Tier 2 Junior Hockey. Now, in Ontario and Eastern provinces if you were discussing Junior A hockey you would be refering to OHL QMJHL. The public perception and especially that of Van is misguided and incorrect. Junior A is referred to as Junior A but it's official name is Tier 2 Junior. That is not slang that is fact. This source is more reliable than any of the opinions that people have here on this board. He is employed in an important role by the AJHL TIer 2 hockey league and has played there on a high level. Your arguement reinforces my point. Yes WHL OHL QMJHL is Major Junior - that is not anything new to this equation. The fact is that Major Junior is Tier 1 and Junior A as we know it is Tier 2. I am definately not wrong and neither is my source. Your argument changes nothing as it does not go against anything I have said.

The Pucks

11-09-2003, 10:07 PM

You have a friend of a friend of a friend who is far more reliable than any rumor? 1st, how about the exact link? 2nd, you have no idea who I am, is there a chance that I may have a connection to Junior A hockey?

How about some facts rather than heresay from your end, please supply me with a link supporting your argument.

You don't understand the context of the arguement. Van is adiment that Junior A hockey is not Tier 2. He is wrong. My post is reinforcing the fact that hockey people, from hockey Canada as well as within the different leagues refer to WHL, OHL, QMJHL as Tier 1 Major junior. Junior A leagues as we know them are Tier 2 Junior Hockey. Now, in Ontario and Eastern provinces if you were discussing Junior A hockey you would be refering to OHL QMJHL. The public perception and especially that of Van is misguided and incorrect. Junior A is referred to as Junior A but it's official name is Tier 2 Junior. That is not slang that is fact. This source is more reliable than any of the opinions that people have here on this board. He is employed in an important role by the AJHL TIer 2 hockey league and has played there on a high level. Your arguement reinforces my point. Yes WHL OHL QMJHL is Major Junior - that is not anything new to this equation. The fact is that Major Junior is Tier 1 and Junior A as we know it is Tier 2. I am definately not wrong and neither is my source. Your argument changes nothing as it does not go against anything I have said.

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11-10-2003, 01:39 AM

I hate to repeat Pucks...but you just don't get it...

OFFICIALLY, there is no such thing as "Tier I" and "Tier II" in Canada. The only terms you will ever find on official websites and documents, are the terms "Major Junior" and "Junior A".

The only link Pucks needed to provide to prove you wrong, is the website of the Canadian Junior A Hockey League....yet he provided many more...and you still try to say that "Tier I" and "Tier II" are official terms of Hockey Canada? :shakehead

goteam

11-10-2003, 08:15 AM

Van,

I have been continually trying to learn more about the Tier 1 - Tier 2 issue that has been started on this thread, first with krooky and now with myself. I found the perfect source that helped clarify the whole situation for myself and hopefully for yourself as well. A good friend of mine who played seasons in the Alberta Junior Hockey League, leading that league in scoring one season by a mile, filled me in on the facts of this arguement. This individual now acts as a consultant for the AJHL travelling to the different teams and discussing the hockey options the players have with their guardians and families. He said, with conviction, that Major Junior Hockey is known as Tier1. Junior A hockey is clearly known as Tier 2. Perhaps you misinterpreted what the old president of the BC Junior A league meant by the term slang. In fact, this source said that if you want to get really picky, Junior A is slang for Tier 2 Junior hockey. In reality - Junior A hockey is Major Junior Hockey. If you talk Junior A hockey with people in Eastern Canada, they think you are talking OHL or QMJHL. In essence Junior A as we know it is actually Junior B hockey. He found it very difficult to believe that any person in contact or employed by the Tier 2 hockey would consider that term slang because the fact is it is not. The only slang would be calling it Junior A when in the majority of the country Junior A is Major junior hockey. This is a direct fact from an extremely knowledgeable individual now employed by the AJHL. This should put an end to this issue I know it has for me.

Well that might be the case in Alberta. But as Van and Pucks have already pointed out - in B.C. it's Junior A. Here in Saskatchewan, it's Junior A. In Manitoba, it's Junior A. You're fighting an uphill battle here.

If you are looking at any league as being "Tier 1", the only existent one to take on that title is the USHL.
As stated on their website - "The United States Hockey League, governed by USA Hockey, is the only Tier I junior league in the country."

However, the USHL is in no way comparable to the WHL, OHL, and QMJHL. These leagues easily have a higher talent base and are structurally better run.

Walsher

11-10-2003, 09:27 AM

goteam

11-10-2003, 10:19 AM

Then why is national league called the Canadian Junior A Hockey League (CJAHL)???? If "everyone in hockey refers to it as Tier 1 and Tier 2"----shouldn't the overhead league be called the Canadian Tier 2 Junior Hockey League (CT2JHL)????

goteam

11-10-2003, 10:21 AM

Press Release straight from Hockey Canada:

http://www.canadianhockey.ca/e/news/2003/nr052.html

Charlottetown, PE – The Humboldt Broncos, who were the West Region Champions for the 2003 Royal Bank Cup, have gone the distance and captured the Royal Bank Cup, <B>Canada’s National Junior A Hockey Championship.</B> The Broncos defeated the Camrose Kodiaks 3-1 on Sunday afternoon, in front of a boisterous crowd of 2,125 at the Charlottetown Civic Centre.

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11-10-2003, 11:11 AM

Guys, talk to anyone associated with hockey to find out the truth. You can try and find links all you want on the internet but the fact is you are wrong. Everyone in hockey refers to it as Tier 1 and Tier 2. I have never disagreed that they are Major Junior and Junior A but the fact is they are Tier 1 and Tier 2. I am not fighting an uphill battle - I am not fighting any battle. People who do not know hockey wouldn't know this and to disagree is foolish. Ontario goes all the way down to Junior G hockey with Junior A being Major Junior. Junior A in ALL other provinces is Tier 2 Junior Hockey. That is from Hockey Canada and their representatives. If you have issue with that then contact them directly, like I said I did. It is not an American term, it is not slang, it is the facts.

Neither Pucks or myself has ever said that people don't refer to these levels as "Tier I" and "Tier II"....what we are saying is that the terms don't OFFICIALLY exist in Canada, and you cannot argue that. You will not find an official document from Hockey Canada, or any of its Junior leagues with these terms.

And you are wrong on the Ontario issue as well...

The Ontario Provincial Junior A Hockey League...

http://www.ohahockey.org/jra/index.htm

andora

11-10-2003, 12:12 PM

Guys, talk to anyone associated with hockey to find out the truth. You can try and find links all you want on the internet but the fact is you are wrong. Everyone in hockey refers to it as Tier 1 and Tier 2. I have never disagreed that they are Major Junior and Junior A but the fact is they are Tier 1 and Tier 2. I am not fighting an uphill battle - I am not fighting any battle. People who do not know hockey wouldn't know this and to disagree is foolish. Ontario goes all the way down to Junior G hockey with Junior A being Major Junior. Junior A in ALL other provinces is Tier 2 Junior Hockey. That is from Hockey Canada and their representatives. If you have issue with that then contact them directly, like I said I did. It is not an American term, it is not slang, it is the facts.

everybody refers to russell crowe as an actor, but officially that doesn't exist

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11-10-2003, 08:12 PM

OK, who picks the WHL Player Of The Week? I seriously want in on whatever he is using, drinking, etc. when he makes the pick.

http://www.whl.ca/headlines/?id=1527

Buannan

11-10-2003, 08:31 PM

OK, who picks the WHL Player Of The Week? I seriously want in on whatever he is using, drinking, etc. when he makes the pick.

http://www.whl.ca/headlines/?id=1527
I was thinking the same thing

andora

11-10-2003, 09:28 PM

i tried to come up with a smart ass comment to reply with, honestly spending about five minutes, however, nothing came but.. a sigh..

*sighs*

krooky

11-12-2003, 03:24 PM

I just got off the phone with Greg Gardner and he has been named to Team Pacific. They called him this afternoon and they are supposed to release the Alberta portion of the roster on friday.

Walsher

11-12-2003, 04:21 PM

I just got off the phone with Greg Gardner and he has been named to Team Pacific. They called him this afternoon and they are supposed to release the Alberta portion of the roster on friday.

Adda boy Beaner you big snoos can!!! Krooky we going to Halifax for the tourny?

shazata69

11-12-2003, 09:34 PM

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11-12-2003, 10:52 PM

My opinion on tonight's game...

The Cougars appeared to start slow, but it wouldn't have looked as bad if Ford had have stopped Schell's slapshot....it was a well placed shot, but it should have been a routine glove save for Ford. The 4th Spokane goal, despite the horrible giveaway to give the Chiefs the shot, should have been stopped as well. Ford looked shaky all night long. I hope this is just "ring rust" because Pogge has been earning so many starts lately. If not, and Ford has some more games like this, Pogge will have his job sooner than we all think.

About the Zimmer Boarding major plus the gate....I was sitting right there, and I didn't think it was as much Boarding as it was a Check From Behind. I don't agree with the Major and a Game Misconduct, but unfortunately Herman was forced into it with the injury to the Spokane player. I talked to a friend who was sitting by the Spokane bench, and he said that when Herman skated over to assess the situation, the injured Spokane player saw him coming and only then did he leave the bench with the trainer saying he was hurt. Personally, I think the rules should be adjusted to give the referee the go-ahead to stay with a minor penalty if he feels he is being bull****ed on the injury....but unfortunately under the current rules, if a trainer says the player is hurt, he's hurt. I'm not saying Herman thinks that Spokane pulled one over on him, because I can't speak for him... but I sure think that is what happened...

...Bottom line, from my view and angle along with my opinion on what the rule should be....I would have given Zimmer a minor for Checking From Behind.

As much as I disgree with that penalty, and despite Spokane getting a quick PP marker, the kill of the last 4 minutes and the goal on that same shift to tie the game gave the Cougars the momentum to take the lead and continue pounding the Chiefs into the ground until the last 10 minutes of the game.

Filewich's goal was a beauty. He was the energy on that line for that shift, and honestly, he did play a decent game tonight. Much better than the last 2 I have seen him play. The only problem left is that he needs to provide the energy he did for his goal each and every shift he is out there. No more of this "taking a shift off"....he doesn't wear the 'C', but he is the team's leader as far as talent goes, and he needs to lead using that example.

Colin Patterson played the best game I have ever seen him play. Both his goals were goal-scorers goals, and he contributed physically and defensively as well. It's too bad he made that horrible giveaway late in the game.

Drazenovic used his load of ice time well and impressed with Byfuglien and Hunter out.

Devin Featherstone needs to find some confidence. Every time he got the puck, he looked scared to make the first outlet pass or take a shot when he had a good view of the goal.

Josh Aspenlind needs power skating classes.

Girling is stupid. That Tripping penalty he took started the Cougars downfall tonight.

Both Europeans looked good tonight (god, how long has it been since anybody could say that about the Prince George Cougars). Bolshakov had the wheels and the positioning tonight, he just had a bit of stone hands (maybe he's been hanging out with Featherstone lately). Rehak was very solid on defence. He made a very nice play to take away an odd-man rush early in the game, and I loved the way he cleared the front of the net.

Listening to the post-game show, I have never heard a coach have such a calm demeanour, yet send such an intimidating message to his players. This guy should write speeches for George Bush.

All in all, the Cougars should have won this game, but a stupid penalty, a couple bad goals, and having everybody stop skating late in the game cost the Cougars a point.

PS: The old goal song actually sounded good with the new goal horn.

andora

11-12-2003, 11:40 PM

agree on all points.. brutal game overall, should have won, pissed the game away to a team they should not lose to. ford was very good, i'd kill to have lynch back (didn't like the move at the time)

i also agree about the zimmer call, first thought that went through my mind was, boarding.. seriously?.. but anyway, i don't think it really mattered THAT much overall...

gardner, i like a lot, he didn't play his best tonight but was still ok, i'd like drazenovic to get hurt so he can have the fourth line center job :p

Walsher

11-13-2003, 01:33 PM

gardner, i like a lot, he didn't play his best tonight but was still ok, i'd like drazenovic to get hurt so he can have the fourth line center job :p

Gardner is probably the nicest kid you would ever meet. He is so responsible defensively that he would be the perfect 4th line center at 16 and he could skate with anyone in that league. PG has a beauty and I'm glad you can see that. Trust me you are only seeing the tip top of the iceberg with this kid - he has so much upside it is crazy. On top of it all he would do anything to help the team. If that meant sitting, he would do it, cleaning the bus, he would do it, it doesn't matter he would do it and would keep his mouth shut. A character guy that will develop into a dominant 2way player.

goteam

11-13-2003, 03:06 PM

Oooooh this is a good one. Prince George acquires Steven Later from the Blades. All you P.G. boys, if you want to see a frustrating player here is one. The talent is certainly there, just not the head some nights. Wow does he make some boneheaded mistakes. You're gonna have fun with this one. Maybe he'll turn his career around with the trade but I doubt it.

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11-13-2003, 03:21 PM

I've never even heard of the guy to be honest. All I will say right now, is that the defence is pretty banged up, so I will take anybody...especially somebody with Later's size (6'4", 200).

Unfortunately, I won't see him play until likely after New Years. I can't attend the PG-Regina game next Tuesday due to an officiating meeting I have that night, and I go for surgery the following Tuesday, which will keep me at home for probably all of December.

I might try to get to the Dec. 29 game against Kootenay, but a more realistic next game attended for me is one (or both) of the games against Seattle on Jan. 2 & 3....and I will for sure attend both Everett games on Jan. 23 & 24.

Canadian Chris

11-13-2003, 11:11 PM

andora

11-13-2003, 11:27 PM

taylor from kootenay ?.. i'd LOVE THAT DEAL..

anyway, don't know this new guy, is he a dman ?

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11-14-2003, 12:02 AM

taylor from kootenay ?.. i'd LOVE THAT DEAL..

anyway, don't know this new guy, is he a dman ?

Yes he is. A big one too.

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11-14-2003, 12:42 AM

Here is what will be in Friday morning's Prince George Citizen:

Challenge issued, challenge accepted.
That's the best way to boil down Eric Hunter's mindset after the 17-year-old forward, last year's rookie-of-the-year, was a healthy scratch for Wednesday's game against Spokane.

Hunter, arguably the most-skilled forward on the team, took the benching in stride. He'll be in the lineup tonight when the Cougars play their first of two games in Kamloops, the first meeting of the year between the rivals.

"I'm fine with it. I think the boys played well (in a 4-4 tie with the Chiefs) and it was maybe a wakeup call for me for how I've been playing," said Hunter, who said it the reasons he was sitting were clearly communicated to him by head coach Lane Lambert.

"I need to step it up a bit. I definitely think it's a challenge, and something that opened my eyes and will make me play a little harder. I don't get to watch a lot of hockey, so to see some of the things we're doing out there might have been good for me.

"We're a hard-working team on and off the ice, and we all have to be committed. That's the message. Lane is blunt about things, and that's good because there's no guesswork."

Rest of article: http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/news/20031114/20031114s1.html

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11-14-2003, 12:43 AM

And in another article also in tomorrow's paper is the following...

Cougars defencemen Brett Dickie (charleyhorse) and Dustin Byfuglien (hip) were joined on the injury list Thursday by 17-year-old rookie Dylan Yeo, who severely sprained his ankle in his high school gym class. Lambert said a final diagnosis hadn't been done yet, but the coach said he'd be surprised if Yeo would be available for a few weeks.

andora

11-14-2003, 07:48 AM

hunter = boner

most skilled guy on the team ? not even close

Walsher

11-14-2003, 05:12 PM

andora

11-14-2003, 06:34 PM

i definitely believe that one.. i was actually sitting in section M for the spokane game as a bunch of us went, and in themiddle of the second period the scratched players wound up in our section a row down

needless to say, hunter just acts like he's king tut.. he better get his head into it.. also, byfuglien acts like a five year old :p

goteam

11-15-2003, 06:10 AM

How about that Rob Woods?----there's a good BC boy. PG fans probably were hoping for him instead of Steven Later. Tonight he goes out and fights Cam Barker and wins the fight. If only he'd fight more often. Definite turning point in the game-----him winning the fight.

Canadian Chris

11-15-2003, 12:57 PM

Ya....I remember reading....not sure whether it was last years trade deadline, or the year before, but there was a rumour that Woods was on his way to PG....I was ecstatic....only cuz me and woodsy, and Taylor all used to play on the same team

Canadian Chris

11-30-2003, 02:07 AM

Well, caught my first Cougars game of the year...Must say, I was impressed. For the most part.

The team came out really well, and popped a couple quick ones. Pogge looked sharp in the first, then came the start of the 2nd....and YOOOUCH! 3 quick goals, the first 2 which really couldn't be blamed on him, the 3rd he was totally out of position, and from where I was sitting, it looked like the Vancouver banked it in.

Loved the fighting in this game. There were some solid tilts!

The Hunter/Pulpan tilt was fairly comical I thought. I mean, Pulpan played a solid game. I like the looks of him, too bad he's a bit on the small side it looks like. Anyways, I felt a little sorry for Pulpan by the end of it as he just dropped and covered! At the time I didn't realize he was one of the imports, but still, like the way he totally stuck up for himself!

Ford looked sharp tonight, looks as though he rebounded from the start of the season...at least from wwhat I've heard.

Byfuglien....horrid! Simply horrible. I saw 1 hit from him tonight. He looks so dis-interested, and complacent out there. It's really too bad because he has GREAT hands, and a CANNON from the point. But he just seems to be so bored, and out of shape. I mean, the potential is there, and I realize he's been injured this year, but I can't help but think that if he was a little smaller around the waste-line that he'd avoid some of the injuries? I dunno :dunno:

Hunter, Parker, Zimmer....what can I say. I thought they all played good hockey. Zimmer was out there taking the body all night, Hunter mixed it up, Zimmer mixed it up, and same with Parker. I thought all 3 played good games....funny enough, all 3 dropped the mitts too!

Then there was Steve Later. Well, the head was in the game tonight. He looked excellent! He had the one roughing penalty but was just an all-round rock out there. I like the looks of him. #1 star tonight

Finally, the main reason I went to the game...Gilbert Brule...Not too sure what I came in expecting, because I didn't see him in Quesnel last year, however, I felt....I dunno, a little dissapointed I guess. I mean, he was all over the ice, scored the GTG(more on this later!!! :madfire: ) and had a couple assists and 3 straight Vancouver penalties in the 3rd.....Not too sure what I was expecting, maybe I had made him up to be too much in my mind....regardless, he played solid, looked to be taken off the game early in the 2nd by a couple penalties.

And about the GTG....Van, you may have to answer this, or atleast clear something up for me. I can't remember who it was, but there was a Cougar player at the Cougar bench getting final instructions. The ref(who I thought called a pretty good game) lowered his arm and pointed to the linesmen. Linesmen blows his whistle, signling the 5seconds(????) prior to dropping the puck. Cougar player begins to hustle over to the play, however, the puck is dropped, won cleanly back to Vancouver's Brule on the point. He takes the shot and beats a screened Ford. Now, my question is, the PG player was still not even CLOSE to being onside prior to the puck drop. Is the play not supposed whistled dead there and Lambert issued a warning?

It just really seems as though that was a blown call, and Lambert went ballistic on the bench...the crowd was pissed, and even the cougar players on the ice were pissed. Just looking for some clarification that's all....

Oh, also Van, can you, if you know tell me how old the 3 on ice officials were for the game?

Zalaski
Carlson
Hyatt

announced attendence was 3910...half decent showing. hopefully it's a sign of things to come!

Edit: Just like to point out that tonights game had the 3rd highest attendence of the year....only Red Deer(by 126) and Kootenay(home opener) had more out to watch.