GDT: Devils - Rangers 1/22

:devils @ :rangers

(25-18-5) (27-14-7)

Madison Square Garden

7PM

NHL.com game preview (http://www.nhl.com/scores/previews/713_2_preview.html)

This game is HUGE.

yup, a regulation win would bring us within 4 points of the Rags and 4th place. Unbelievable considering where we were in 2005.

yup, a regulation win would bring us within 4 points of the Rags and 4th place. Unbelievable considering where we were in 2005.
By 2005, you mean 3 weeks ago. :)

The following is from Rich Chere's 1/22 article (http://www.nj.com/devils/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1137912435241330.xml&coll=1) in The Star-Ledger, Goalie Martin Brodeur was asked whether he would take a rest tonight since the Devils just came off a road trip and will be playing back-to-back games. He simply glared at the questioner and responded: "We're playing the Rangers."

The following is from Rich Chere's 1/22 article (http://www.nj.com/devils/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1137912435241330.xml&coll=1) in The Star-Ledger,

road trip? We were playing in Long Island :help:

road trip? We were playing in Long Island :help:
actually we were home at the CAA last night

actually we were home at the CAA last night

lol :biglaugh:

That's what I get for not being able to see the games :cry:

They played last night too. We've got a few hours rest/rust on them.
Hope we get good refs tonight.

can't lose this game. 10 - 0 and top it off with a win over the rangers would be great moral for fans and the team.

LETS GO DEVILS :clap:

I'm fired up for this game. You all know what I want. That's right, a BEATDOWN. I want Brodeur to channel Chuck Norris channeling Martin Brodeur to shutout the Rangers. I want the EGG line messing up the front doors that are the Rangers like on Mischeif Night. I want hat tricks and/or 5 point games from Devils. I WANT A BEATDOWN.

Needless to say, I'm pulling for win #10.

I normally don't go for fisticuffs, but I would like to see Cam Jansen pound on some Ranger like Hollweg.

Jason (I think) Ward stickhandles Hale. That's a penalty.

Devils get the first PP of the game. GO DEVILS~!

INTERESTING STAT: If I heard Doc right, the Devils are 50% on the PP in their last 9 games. FIFTY PERCENT!!!! That's amazing.

Brylin got wrecked by Kasparitis; and Kasparitis follows that by elbowing Marshall in the head. Marshall's hurt. I hope Grant Marshall is OK, those are dangerous.

Kasparitis is hit with a major penalty and a game misconduct for causing an injury.

Marshall is being helped back to the locker room. I really hope it's not a major concussion (or any concussion).

we better score with a 5 min PP

wow i hate kasperminus...dirty play.


i hope marshall is ok

can you say suspension.

Have to tip your cap to him, Kasper is the very epitome of a dirty punk. :shakehead

I hate not being able to see the game.

Hopefully Marshall will be okay.

damn...

The Devils got some good shots on Lundqvist; but the Devils not converting on this major puts the fans back into the game and gives the Rangers momentum. Not the end of the world, but it would have been great for NJ to have gotten one on Lundqvist.

PENALTY UPDATE: Martin is called for a hook preventing a Ranger from playing the puck. That's a 2 minute penalty. Rangers' first PP of the night. GO DEVILS PK~!

Damn it! Why can't we score on our PP?!?

Petr Prucha just fires a LASER hitting two posts and goes in.

1-0 NYR on the PP.

New Jersey needs to respond now. Plenty of time left for a BEATDOWN™. I'm keeping up hope.

ASIDE: No respect to Gary Glitter, can NJ get a nice "goal song" like the Rangers do?

where did the rangers's goal celebration singing originate from? It started a few years ago since I don't remember it 10 years ago when I went to Rangers game.

Hale gets called for another hook on Holleweg. Another PP for the Rangers. "Wonderful," I say sarcastically.

Go Devils PK~!

I hate not being able to see the game.
I hear ya. What school do you go to?

I hear ya. What school do you go to?
College of William & Mary. We get Capitals games down here :cry: At least I get to watch Ovechkin.

College of William & Mary. We get Capitals games down here :cry: At least I get to watch Ovechkin.
Ugh, you *******. I'd watch every Caps game just for Ovechkin.

Devils do kill that penalty and continue holding the Rangers back to end the first period. Prucha took a wonderful shot and scored, taking advantage of an opportunity. The Devils did have opportunities on offense (the first PP, the 5 minute PP afterwards), but did not convert. That made the difference. NJ didn't play really poorly; but it isn't good that they are down 1-0 after 1. There's still two periods and plenty of time to change things; NJ needs to play with discipline (both calls on NJ were for little hooks), dictate the pace of the game, and get some shots on Lundqvist. They do that, I think they will come out well in this game.

Ugh, you *******. I'd watch every Caps game just for Ovechkin.
Ovechkin is sick, but it gets tiresome watching all those losses. Are you in college as well?

Yeah. I'm a junior at the Universtiy at Buffalo.

Yeah. I'm a junior at the Universtiy at Buffalo.
So do you get Sabres games up there? They've been surprisingly good this year.

Devils need to get going in the second period. We need some more shots on goal. Not scoring on that 5 min PP really hurt.

7:00 PP
4:00 PK
4 SOG
:shakehead

edit: 8 SOG, slow CBS Gamecenter.

They have been successful this season but it's nothing like watching the Devils play. There are only a few teams I would look forward to watch. The Thrashers (Kovalchuk's line), the Caps, and the Sens. What's nice here in Buffalo we get Canada's CBC channel so I can watch Hockey Night in Canada every Saturday. This weekend I saw the Leafs-Sens game. They freakin' parked Chara right in front of Belfour (did they do that we played them?)! The city of Buffalo is also dedicated to hockey so it's not like back in NYC where I feel like a total loser.

The Kasper hit was clean. Terrible reputation call. It's called a bicep...

The Kasper hit was clean. Terrible reputation call. It's called a bicep...

His elbow clearly hit Marshall in the head. Marshall head was rocked back by it and he needed to be helped back to the locker room. It was no bicep, the elbow was up and it hit Marshall.

Don't even start.

His elbow clearly hit Marshall in the head. Marshall head was rocked back by it and he needed to be helped back to the locker room. It was no bicep, the elbow was up and it hit Marshall.

Don't even start.
Even if thats true, all of this suspension talk is redic. And I love how the ref at center ice can call a misconduct over the ref 5 feet away. misconduct was a result of reputation

David Puddy gets his wish! Cam Janssen fights Ryan Holleweg, and I'd say Cam wins. A little blood on Ryan's nose, and Cam just pounds on Ryan.

What's nice here in Buffalo we get Canada's CBC channel so I can watch Hockey Night in Canada every Saturday.
That is awesome.

Go Janssen! Sounds like Hollweg had no chance. Hopefully that will fire up the Devils.

Cam kicked the crap outta him!

Let's see if that will fire up the Devils a bit. Madden's line was knocking on the door.

Ugh. Prucha gets hooked when he caught a breakaway while NJ was changing lines. Kozlov was the culprit. Another PP for the Rangers.

What did I say about discipline, Devils?

What did I say about discipline, Devils?
I don't think they heard you :shakehead

Well, we killed it...now can we please score?

Even if thats true, all of this suspension talk is redic. And I love how the ref at center ice can call a misconduct over the ref 5 feet away. misconduct was a result of reputationThe game miscounduct was a result of the severity. It was an elbow, and Marshall had to helped off the ice. He has whiplash, and he is being checked for a concusion.

I don't think they heard you :shakehead

Well, we killed it...now can we please score?

Ruccin trips Elias. That's a penalty. Devils get a PP and I feel they need to convert on this PP. This is HUGE.

You know it's big if KOZLOV is showing some emotion. Don't know if NJ will score on the PP, but they're getting some shots on net. Nothing is over, but a PP goal would have been wonderful.

Damn it all!

ASTERIKS!!! Rangers catch Devils on a line change (2nd time this game!!) which gives Nylander a breakaway and Nylander beats Brodeur.

2-0 NYR. Ugh.

Elias looks tired as hell. Time for a rest methinks.

We NEED to score on this PP.

Ortmeyer gets called for tripping Rafalski.

This is a 1:32 5-on-3 PP.

THIS IS THE TIME FOR A GOAL!

Go Devils!

UPDATE: Lundqvist robs Elias at the end of the 2nd.

Devils still have about 24 seconds of a man advantage to start the third. But NJ needs to get serious on offense and start working on the comeback.

Sweet, a 5-on-3. If we can't score on this...

What is with our inability to score with a 2 man advantage? I can't remember the last time we scored a 5-on-3 goal :shakehead

I'm hearing Fischler saying something about a 2 goal lead.

C'mon guys, Time to solve Lundqvist.

I'm hearing Fischler saying something about a 2 goal lead.

C'mon guys, Time to solve Lundqvist.


I don't think it is lundqvist......the devils just plain look tired and have no go in their legs.. I would let rasmussen and janssen get some pt in third period, they are fresh and kozlov.

CRACK THE EGGS BOYS!!!

Devils changed to the EGG line, Elias to Gomez, who just RIPS one up high on Lundqvist!

2-1 NYR! We got a game again!

Sweeeet! Go Devs, now that we've broken through on Lundqvist, let's keep it up!

What is with our inability to score with a 2 man advantage? I can't remember the last time we scored a 5-on-3 goal :shakehead

I've noticed this too. I've seen some lengthy 5-3s where we didn't even get any real good chances. Unbelievable.

A little more than 90 seconds left for an equalizer. Come on NJ! Don't let it die in NY!

Dom Moore puts it into the empty net after some scrambling attempts for an equalizer.

Rangers win 3-1, Devils have their 9 game winning streak (2nd longest in team history) broken. I knew the end of the streak was inevitable, I just wish it wasn't against the Rangers. Can't say too much bad about the Rangers; they took advantage of opportunities when they presented themselves and the Devils had trouble in the first two periods generating offense and on the PP in general.

Terrible game by NJ. Nice effort by the rangers to keep the devils pathetic offense in check with 5 defenceman.

watch the "Here comes New Jersey" thread get ***** now

I can't believe our streak was ended by the Rangers. Well, we'll just have to start a new one on Tuesday versus the Isles.

Terrible game by NJ. Nice effort by the rangers to keep the devils pathetic offense in check with 5 defenceman.


They just looked tired.....with this crazy olympic schedule I am sure some teams are going to have off nights.. time to start over on another streak.

Hopefully marshall is ok...but at least now suglobov may get in some games. I hope lou doesnt; go 7 dmen because they need to start rolling 4 lines.

With Marshall getting hurt, maybe we will FINALLY get to see Suglobov get into another game....

I can't believe our streak was ended by the Rangers. Well, we'll just have to start a new one on Tuesday versus the Isles.


no doubt i can't stand losing to philly and nyr

With Marshall getting hurt, maybe we will FINALLY get to see Suglobov get into another game....
I was thinking about that too and I was wondering what a Kozlov - Brylin - Suglobov line could do.

It could get Kozlov going again and that would be a huge plus.

I was thinking about that too and I was wondering what a Kozlov - Brylin - Suglobov line could do.

It could get Kozlov going again and that would be a huge plus.
That line sounds good, but then where does Parise play? He's been looking good lately, I don't want to see him demoted to the 4th line. What about Kozlov - Parise - Suglobov?

They just looked tired.....with this crazy olympic schedule I am sure some teams are going to have off nights.. time to start over on another streak.

Hopefully marshall is ok...but at least now suglobov may get in some games. I hope lou doesnt; go 7 dmen because they need to start rolling 4 lines.

Totally agree. Didn't think they played too poorly. Played a pretty good third. They definately looked tired, Patty has missed a couple shifts late in these games. Still can't believe he's played as well as he has!!! Can't wait to see him full strength!

I think Suglobov could help the second PP unit generate some more chances. It's a big step down when Gomer's line isn't on the ice.

no doubt i can't stand losing to philly and nyr
amen brother! Darn I hate losing the streak to them. Oh well, no time to mope, tough week ahead all on the road.

That line sounds good, but then where does Parise play? He's been looking good lately, I don't want to see him demoted to the 4th line. What about Kozlov - Parise - Suglobov?
Damn, that is better, I complety forgot that Parise and Suglobov were linemates at Albany.

But I think I can do you one better, Brylin - Parise - Suglobov.

I would rather have Brylin's character and work ethic working with the kids, I really don't want them anywhere near Kozlov.

Damn, that is better, I complety forgot that Parise and Suglobov were linemates at Albany.

But I think I can do you one better, Brylin - Parise - Suglobov.

I would rather have Brylin's character and work ethic working with the kids, I really don't want them anywhere near Kozlov.
Good call. It would be great to see that line on Tuesday.

Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to the other team. Rangers played a good game. Now, comes a very important game on Tuesday on the Island, against another team that has given us trouble this year. We don't want to start a losing streak now.

And as much as I don't dislike the Islanders, I would like to see them out of the playoff race by the trade deadline just so we have a shot at Parrish. He would be a perfect fit. Maybe a second round gets it done and maybe we move Kozlov for a third. Now that the streak is over, will see how good this team really is. It was a nice run boys! :clap:

I've noticed this too. I've seen some lengthy 5-3s where we didn't even get any real good chances. Unbelievable.
Well, after looking through past box scores, I've learned that we scored 5-3 goals in back to back games late in December (7-2 win over Caps and 6-2 loss to Pittsburgh), but the last game before then when we scored a 5-3 goal was our 5-1 defeat of Florida in November :shakehead

Y is Ramussen on this team? Koslov once again did his Houdini routine.

Damn, that is better, I complety forgot that Parise and Suglobov were linemates at Albany.

But I think I can do you one better, Brylin - Parise - Suglobov.

I would rather have Brylin's character and work ethic working with the kids, I really don't want them anywhere near Kozlov.

I really hope Suglobov is given a shot, and not just a quick look. Lou should give him an extended look and see if he can contribute on a regular basis. A Brylin-Parise-Suglobov line would be a good place to start for him.....

Kasparitus levels Marshall stevens style and gets a game? Interesting...

Amazingly the ref 5 feet away from the play doesn't even think about lifting his arm but yet the one 100 feet away decides to call it.

Anyway, it's over with...both teams played well.

Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to the other team. Rangers played a good game. Now, comes a very important game on Tuesday on the Island, against another team that has given us trouble this year. We don't want to start a losing streak now.

And as much as I don't dislike the Islanders, I would like to see them out of the playoff race by the trade deadline just so we have a shot at Parrish. He would be a perfect fit. Maybe a second round gets it done and maybe we move Kozlov for a third. Now that the streak is over, will see how good this team really is. It was a nice run boys! :clap:

How about Satan instead of Parrish? ;)

Kasparitus levels Marshall stevens style and gets a game? Interesting...

Amazingly the ref 5 feet away from the play doesn't even think about lifting his arm but yet the one 100 feet away decides to call it.

Anyway, it's over with...both teams played well.

Are you serious???? I am assuming you were at the game and not privy to any replays?? Stevens style? That would be hitting with the shoulder(4 career elbowing penalties)... not the point of the elbow pad! If you've played hockey you should know that being hit with an elbow pad is like being smashed in the face with a rock. I will be suprised if Darius doesn't receive a suspension.

woooo

Are you serious???? I am assuming you were at the game and not privy to any replays?? Stevens style? That would be hitting with the shoulder(4 career elbowing penalties)... not the point of the elbow pad! If you've played hockey you should know that being hit with an elbow pad is like being smashed in the face with a rock. I will be suprised if Darius doesn't receive a suspension.

NYRangersFan must have been watching the Rangers broadcast and got that idea about the hit being "Stevens style." John Davidson compared the hit by Darius to the way Stevens went at people.

woooo

That was Cam Janssen. He had a bag of ice on his right hand in the penalty box after that fight. Think several of his punches hit Hollweg's helmet. Devils have themselves a terrific enforcer this season with Cam. Hope he plays every game until seasons end.

That was Cam Janssen.

Yeah, he murdered Hollweg in that exchange.

is he a heavyweight though. i ask cause you said enforcer

looks like a more than capable middleweight to me (not degrading him)

Actually I've played hockey my whole life and know exactly what an elbow pad to the face feels like. Too bad it wasn't an elbow, it was the bicep that caught him.

Kasparitus levels Marshall stevens style and gets a game? Interesting...

Amazingly the ref 5 feet away from the play doesn't even think about lifting his arm but yet the one 100 feet away decides to call it.

Anyway, it's over with...both teams played well.

Wasn't Stevens style, but wasn't nearly as bad a hit as some Devils fans are making it out to be.

He didn't hit him with his elbow at ALL. It was closer to the shoulder, but on the arm inbetween the elbow and the shoulder. But much closer to the shoulder than the elbow. The follow through made it LOOK 10x worse.

I will be suprised if he gets suspended for it. Should've been a 2 minute minor at MAX.

is he a heavyweight though. i ask cause you said enforcer

looks like a more than capable middleweight to me (not degrading him)
He's a good fighter, not exactly an enforcer, he can also skate and hit. He's not very big, only 5'11" and about 205. He's had some great fights this season.

I'm fired up for this game. You all know what I want. That's right, a BEATDOWN. I want Brodeur to channel Chuck Norris channeling Martin Brodeur to shutout the Rangers. I want the EGG line messing up the front doors that are the Rangers like on Mischeif Night. I want hat tricks and/or 5 point games from Devils. I WANT A BEATDOWN.

Needless to say, I'm pulling for win #10.


Wow what a team to lose the streak too. BTW instead of the "BEATDOWN" the Eggs got cracked.

Yeah, he murdered Hollweg in that exchange.

Yeah, and in typical MSG television production fashion, they didn't show Hollweg while he was in the box because Janssen beat him bad. When he broke from the scrum he was bleeding bad and almost on the verge of crying. Reminds me of a game a couple of seasons back at MSG between the Isles and Rangers when Barnaby got pummeled and was crying in the box afterwards. Barnaby eventually put a towel on the camera's lens. It was quite sad.

Yeah, and in typical MSG television production fashion, they didn't show Hollweg while he was in the box because Janssen beat him bad. When he broke from the scrum he was bleeding bad and almost on the verge of crying. Reminds me of a game a couple of seasons back at MSG between the Isles and Rangers when Barnaby got pummeled and was crying in the box afterwards. Barnaby eventually put a towel on the camera's lens. It was quite sad.

It was also quite sad how your team failed to score on a 5 on 3 and on a five minute major...

It was also quite sad how your team failed to score on a 5 on 3 and on a five minute major...

First of all, I'm an Islander fan, not a Devil fan. Second of all, the Devils had scored 11 goals on their previous 22 chances on the PP. No one can keep that pace up forever.

No loss to the Rangers should ever sit well (I'm sure they don't on the other side of the Hudson either), but they played a good game and simply didn't have an answer to Lundqvist tonight. Now that they are solidly back in the playoff picture, they can focus on trying to move up the table.. including getting back at the Rangers the next time.

First of all, I'm an Islander fan, not a Devil fan.

Wow. It just got even sadder.

How about Satan instead of Parrish? ;)

I rather have Parrish. He has more heart, plus his contract expires at the end of the year. We have no cap space for Satan and I don't care for him.

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Asked if he thought it was dirty hit," Marshall replied, "I don't know. I think most of the way Kasparaitis plays is dirty to begin with, but I'm not even going to get into that."

Classic

No loss to the Rangers should ever sit well (I'm sure they don't on the other side of the Hudson either), but they played a good game and simply didn't have an answer to Lundqvist tonight. Now that they are solidly back in the playoff picture, they can focus on trying to move up the table.. including getting back at the Rangers the next time.

I don't think they played particularly well until the third. They played solid, but they played flat.

What a cruddy way to end a great run. Still, they look so much better than earlier this year, when this prob. would have been a 5-1 result.

I don't think they played particularly well until the third. They played solid, but they played flat.

What a cruddy way to end a great run. Still, they look so much better than earlier this year, when this prob. would have been a 5-1 result.
Agreed. I can handle a loss (even to the Rangers) if the team is playing well. I'm just excited that the Devils are playing sound defense again. The streak had to end sometime. Bummer that it had to end against the Blue Shirts, but se la vi. We need a friggin rest. Too bad we're doing the three-road-games-in-four-days routine starting tomorrow night. Gotta win 2 out of the next 3 for sure.

It was a vintage Brodeurian performance though, he gave the team a chance to win. Kozlov is disappointing me, I wish he'd do more.

The Devils must learn to be the Czech Rangers when they are playing the trap. Gomez break out give and go is more of what they need to beat teams that play the trap. Good defense by the Rangers who have been playing it all year.


BTW

Darius is a punk, Cheap shot artist that should be suspended. That garbage doesn't need to be in the league. Other than that, it was a good game, looking forward to the next matchup.

It was a vintage Brodeurian performance though, he gave the team a chance to win. Kozlov is disappointing me, I wish he'd do more.
Ya think? The guy has been averaging around 10 minutes of ice time until last night. Lou tried to make the guy elite. He failed. Time to move on. Kozlov is rather useless unless he has a great player on his wing. Brylin and Parise are playing high-energy hockey, so why break that up? I just wish Kozlov would do something so teams would be willing to give anything for his non-working, lazy ***. There are only two types of players that do well on this team: high-energy little guys and high-energy big guys. Kozlov is neither.

It was a vintage Brodeurian performance though, he gave the team a chance to win. Kozlov is disappointing me, I wish he'd do more.

That's Kozlov's MO.
There ain't no changing that. Every couple of months, he can look brilliant for a game. And then it goes away.
It's tough to look at him when you see Brylin on the same line just shucking and jiving and going wide around the net looking for someone open.

Marshall gets leveled with a "clean" hit and he has to cry about Kasparitus being a dirty player. Maybe earlier in his career I would agree with that statement...

Marshall gets leveled with a "clean" hit and he has to cry about Kasparitus being a dirty player. Maybe earlier in his career I would agree with that statement...

Guys get kicked out of games generally haven't made clean hits.

And guys get reputations for a reason.

Marshall gets leveled with a "clean" hit and he has to cry about Kasparitus being a dirty player. Maybe earlier in his career I would agree with that statement...
Thank you for upholding my faith that there are still some idiot Ranger fans out there. Here is a link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2302423) to an obviously biased article in your eyes. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe you were just being sarcastic. Nobody in the world could be that stupid, could they?

Please explain to me why the ref 5-10 feet away from the play thought it didn't warrant a penalty? Maybe because it wasn't an elbow but it was a bicep. The follow through made it look worse than it was. Also, Marshall shouldn't be skating with his head down like that. Clean hit IMO.

Please explain to me why the ref 5-10 feet away from the play thought it didn't warrant a penalty? Maybe because it wasn't an elbow but it was a forearm. The follow through made it look worse than it was. Also, Marshall shouldn't be skating with his head down like down. Clean hit IMO.

Well probably because he didn't see it.

Can you explain to me why another ref kicked him out of the game?

Now I understand how you can live with that guy.

Please explain to me why the ref 5-10 feet away from the play thought it didn't warrant a penalty? Maybe because it wasn't an elbow but it was a bicep. The follow through made it look worse than it was. Also, Marshall shouldn't be skating with his head down like that. Clean hit IMO.
OMG! You WERE serious. Well, I guess that hit on Beukeboom wasn't dirty either. I guess I can see your point.

Buekeboom's hit was dirty just like Nichols shooting the puck at a player. It's amazing how Stevens head shots always gets over looked. :biglaugh:

Well probably because he didn't see it.

Can you explain to me why another ref kicked him out of the game?

Now I understand how you can live with that guy.

That's funny because he was looking right at the play. I'm very against dirty plays but IMO that wasn't dirty. The follow through made it look worse than it really was. It wasn't any different than Stevens coming across the blueline and driving his shoulder into a guys head.

stevens arm was always tucked into his body. never have i seen stevens bend his elbow into anyone

No suspension for Kasparaitis.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=152019&hubname=

After reviewing tape of the incident, the league decided Kasparaitis's hit was more shoulder than elbow.

So was Kasparitus', like I said the follow through made it look worse than it was.

Buekeboom's hit was dirty just like Nichols shooting the puck at a player. It's amazing how Stevens head shots always gets over looked. :biglaugh:
You're right about Stevens' "head shots." I mean, it isn't like he did it on a grand scale like the playoffs or took anybody out that was an impact player . . . except Lindros in the ECF . . . or Kozlov in the SCF . . . or Francis in the 1st Round of the Playoffs . . . etc. And he received how many penalty minutes for those hits? The same amount as game misconducts. The same amount as dollars fined by the league AFTER THEY COULD LOOK AT THE HITS FROM ALL ANGLES. You're points about Stevens' hits are noted, but they have no bearing on any conversation regarding illegal head shots. Stevens had like 3 elbowing penalties IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER.

That's funny because he was looking right at the play. I'm very against dirty plays but IMO that wasn't dirty. The follow through made it look worse than it really was. It wasn't any different than Stevens coming across the blueline and driving his shoulder into a guys head.
First off, Stevens hits were led with his shoulder - something Darius didn't do - and second the players he hit were playing the puck - something that Marshall wasn't doing.

The hit was dirty, plain and simple.

No suspension for Kasparaitis.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=152019&hubname=

After reviewing tape of the incident, the league decided Kasparaitis's hit was more shoulder than elbow.

Thank you!

First off, Stevens hits were led with his shoulder - something Darius didn't do - and second the players he hit were playing the puck - something that Marshall wasn't doing.

The hit was dirty, plain and simple.

Apparently the league sees it differently. I'll take their word for it...

I'm done here.

No suspension for Kasparaitis.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=152019&hubname=

After reviewing tape of the incident, the league decided Kasparaitis's hit was more shoulder than elbow.
To me it doesn't even matter what part of the body he led with more than was Marshall was playing the puck or not, which it was clear he wasn't.

I mean can you go around laying shoulders into people not playing the puck just because your not using your elbow?

This is the second time that they league has shortchanged the Devils when it comes to their players being at the wrong end of foul play with the Tucker incident being first.

Amazing.

Apparently the league sees it differently. I'll take their word for it...

I'm done here.
The league also screwed up the Tucker fight when he hit Janssen over the head with his helmet without an suspension, but I guess your also take their word on that too.

Please explain to me why the ref 5-10 feet away from the play thought it didn't warrant a penalty? Maybe because it wasn't an elbow but it was a bicep. The follow through made it look worse than it was. Also, Marshall shouldn't be skating with his head down like that. Clean hit IMO.


I haven't seen the hit, so I can't comment on it. However, when did we start using the term "Bicep"? I guess what your saying is that Marshall got it in the head with a forearm and if you have played hockey you would know that most forearm pads are made out of hard plastic. Are forearm hits legal in hockey? I think not.

Oh darn, you're going.

Not requiring supplemental action is a bit different than seeing it differently.

It's a subtle variation, but I understand if you don't get it and just see blue and white.

To me it doesn't even matter what part of the body he led with more than was Marshall was playing the puck or not, which it was clear he wasn't.

I mean can you go around laying shoulders into people not playing the puck just because your not using your elbow?

This is the second time that they league has shortchanged the Devils when it comes to their players being at the wrong end of foul play with the Tucker incident being first.

Amazing.

I didn't post to talk smack. Just to add to the topic with some news.

To the point that Marshall may or may not have been playing the puck, that is the first that I've heard of that argument. The Rangers announcement didn't mention it. Marshall did not claim that he wasn't playing the puck. So I think it's safe to say that he was.

Petr Prucha just fires a LASER hitting two posts and goes in.

1-0 NYR on the PP.

New Jersey needs to respond now. Plenty of time left for a BEATDOWN™. I'm keeping up hope.

ASIDE: No respect to Gary Glitter, can NJ get a nice "goal song" like the Rangers do?

We have macho man savage giving an "OHHHHH YEHHHHH" after every goal. As opposed to some jerk-off going "OHHHHHHHHH OHHHHHHHH OHHHHHHH" Like the the femine Rags have.

I didn't post to talk smack. Just to add to the topic with some news.

Never thought for one second you did, I was just engaging in conversation. No idea where you are getting that idea from.

To the point that Marshall may or may not have been playing the puck, that is the first that I've heard of that argument. The Rangers announcement didn't mention it. Marshall did not claim that he wasn't playing the puck. So I think it's safe to say that he was.
I watched it again and Marshall just gave the puck to Parise so it might not be clear cut as I thought it was, but in watching the replay again FSNY had an angle that I missed last night that clearly shows that Darius didn't nail with his shoulder, not sure if it was the elbow or arm but it wasn't a shoulder. I'd be interested in the leagues take on what constitutes an shoulder hit and what constitutes an elbow hit.

Never thought for one second you did, I was just engaging in conversation. No idea where you are getting that idea from.

I watched it again and Marshall just gave the puck to Parise so it might not be clear cut as I thought it was, but in watching the replay again FSNY had an angle that I missed last night that clearly shows that Darius didn't nail with his shoulder, not sure if it was the elbow or arm but it wasn't a shoulder. I'd be interested in the leagues take on what constitutes an shoulder hit and what constitutes an elbow hit.

It's getting a little testy in this thread. Just wanted to clarify that I'm not here to talk trash.


I haven't heard anyone say it was a shoulder hit. But it wasn't an elbow either. It was a bicep hit. Even the league didn't definitively say what kind of hit it was, all they said was it was more shoulder than elbow. Basically, I see it as Marshall was hit with the "6" on Kaspar's jersey.

I haven't seen the hit, so I can't comment on it. However, when did we start using the term "Bicep"? I guess what your saying is that Marshall got it in the head with a forearm and if you have played hockey you would know that most forearm pads are made out of hard plastic. Are forearm hits legal in hockey? I think not.

Bicep is the part between the shoulder and elbow. Here's a diagram just incase you are unaware.. http://www.tqnyc.org/NYC051468/armpage.htm

As for the elbow pad, I've played hockey almost my entire life and have yet to see an elbow pad that would run up the entire bicep.

If it was a dirty hit I would admit to it but IMO it was a clean hit. Marshall had his head down looking at the puck and he got his clocked cleaned...just the way the NHL saw it.

If it was a dirty hit I would admit to it but IMO it was a clean hit. Marshall had his head down looking at the puck and he got his clocked cleaned...just the way the NHL saw it.

Again, the NHL thought no further punishment was warranted.
They didn't say that no game penalty was warranted.
See the distinction?

If it was such a dirty hit, they would've suspended him.

I haven't heard anyone say it was a shoulder hit. But it wasn't an elbow either. It was a bicep hit. Even the league didn't definitively say what kind of hit it was, all they said was it was more shoulder than elbow. Basically, I see it as Marshall was hit with the "6" on Kaspar's jersey.

The only problem I have with them is that to hit with a shoulder you don't need to lead with your arm like Darius did, like I said if you look at the replay as he skates by Marshall he does lift his arm in the air towards his head. But I do agree that if the league will only call it an elbow hit if they have conclusive evidence of it which they don't, like you said, it looks like a bicep but even them I'm curious is that even legal, that's what I mean. Perhaps it is.

But I really think any kind of hits to the head the league should look into outlawing, with the waves of concussions going around, you'd think the NHL would want to protect their commodities better.

If it was a dirty hit I would admit to it but IMO it was a clean hit. Marshall had his head down looking at the puck and he got his clocked cleaned...just the way the NHL saw it.


It was a dirty hit, regardless of the League and it motives. Your argument is lame, Marshall didn't have the puck and he was elbowed to the face. Darius is Lucky that he's a Ranger and he did it to Marshall and the Devils. Its a joke, Darius hit Marshall dirty and he doesn't get suspended. You wouldn't be singing that tune if it happened to Jagr/Prucha.

If it was such a dirty hit, they would've suspended him.
Explain then how Darcy Tucker never got suspended? No idea why you have so much faith in the NHL of all people.

But I really think any kind of hits to the head the league should look into outlawing, with the waves of concussions going around, you'd think the NHL would want to protect their commodities better.

Well said...

Jagr and Prucha know better than to have their heads down.

As for the Tucker hit, I didn't see it so I can't comment on it.

Well said...
Thanks. :)

Thanks. :)

Seriously I'm not here to start trouble. I'm just saying in my eyes it wasn't a dirty hit. I will stick to say that the follow through made it look worse than it really was. Injuries are no joke and I wish Marshall a speedy recovery.

As for the Tucker hit, I didn't see it so I can't comment on it.

Actually it wasn't a hit, what happened was Tucker got into a fight with Janssen's and tore off Janssen's helmet and proceed to bonk him over the head with it. The league said no suspension was warranted, if you saw the video you would have been shaking your head as well. After that I stopped having faith in the NHL in handing down harsh penalties.

Seriously I'm not here to start trouble. I'm just saying in my eyes it wasn't a dirty hit. I will stick to say that the follow through made it look worse than it really was. Injuries are no joke and I wish Marshall a speedy recovery.

If he hit him with his shoulder and followed through with his arm I'd agree but he reaced out with his arm to hit him, so I don't think it was a follow through.
And while I agree we should start considering making hits to the head suspendable, it wouldn't be fair to start mid-season without a saying you were doing so and make an example out of Kasperitis for it.
Besides, I want him in there for the next Devil - Ranger game, let Marshall handle it himself-like the old days. I'm sure Kasper will turtle but I'd rather the players settle it themselves.

Bicep is the part between the shoulder and elbow. Here's a diagram just incase you are unaware.. http://www.tqnyc.org/NYC051468/armpage.htm

As for the elbow pad, I've played hockey almost my entire life and have yet to see an elbow pad that would run up the entire bicep.

If it was a dirty hit I would admit to it but IMO it was a clean hit. Marshall had his head down looking at the puck and he got his clocked cleaned...just the way the NHL saw it.

My bad and apologies. Was thinking of tricep.

Seriously I'm not here to start trouble. I'm just saying in my eyes it wasn't a dirty hit. I will stick to say that the follow through made it look worse than it really was. Injuries are no joke and I wish Marshall a speedy recovery.

It was under his chin, causing his neck and head to snap back and that can do a mess of damage.

I particularly freak when it's him, since he had his neck broken as a kid, but I understand it's the risk that they run out there.

can anyone tell me when was the last time rangers made the playoffs

96-97 when the Rangers made a run to the ECF.

First off, Stevens hits were led with his shoulder - something Darius didn't do - and second the players he hit were playing the puck - something that Marshall wasn't doing.

The hit was dirty, plain and simple.

C'mon Lou. Take off your red glasses for a bit and realize that the Kaspar hit was NOT dirty. It was the follow through that was. Marshall was STUPID enough to have his head down at his feet looking at the puck and took a mid-arm/shoulder hit to the face. Not Kaspar's fault that Marshall, a veteren and hard nosed player to begin with, was stupid enough to play like that.

It was a GREAT hit by Kaspar and I'm glad that the league feels that way also. The ref who called it was extremely far away from the play while the other ref, who was looking right AT the play mind you, didn't call anything at all on the play.

Clean hit with an elbow comming up wayyy after the collision took place. That's the only reason someone would think it would be dirty.

If he hit him with his shoulder and followed through with his arm I'd agree but he reaced out with his arm to hit him, so I don't think it was a follow through.
And while I agree we should start considering making hits to the head suspendable, it wouldn't be fair to start mid-season without a saying you were doing so and make an example out of Kasperitis for it.
Besides, I want him in there for the next Devil - Ranger game, let Marshall handle it himself-like the old days. I'm sure Kasper will turtle but I'd rather the players settle it themselves.

In the first 5 minutes Kaspar destroyed a few Devils with clean hits. Marshall included. I doubt Kaspar would turtle in a Devils VS Rangers game. Marshall just needs to keep his head up like a smart hockey player would do next time and not do something so stupid as what Lindros did when he got his clock cleaned. Only reason a penalty was called was through the non-contact follow through and for stupid old Marshall's injury.

can anyone tell me when was the last time rangers made the playoffs

Weak defense...

If it was such a dirty hit, they would've suspended him.



and if stevens' hits were dirty, he wouldve been suspended as well.

Exactly, that's why I said it's no different from the hits Stevens' use to lay people out with.

In the first 5 minutes Kaspar destroyed a few Devils with clean hits. Marshall included. I doubt Kaspar would turtle in a Devils VS Rangers game. Marshall just needs to keep his head up like a smart hockey player would do next time and not do something so stupid as what Lindros did when he got his clock cleaned. Only reason a penalty was called was through the non-contact follow through and for stupid old Marshall's injury.

Jon I think you need to change the prescription on your glasses...it was not follow through. He did not hit him with the shoulder and the side of his body - if he didn't, "follow through", as you claim - he would not have made contact - that's why its not a follow through. The action of pushing out his arm is what made the contact...watch it again. His hit on Brylin was absolutely clean right before that but this one wasn't. I don't disagree with Marshall having his head down being his fault but my point being it was not a follow through...he would not have made contact if he didn't stick the arm out to begin with.

And Kasper would turtle or hide behind the linesmen...he does not back up his actions with his fists...never has...never will.

I don't know where this whole "follow through" argument came from. Comparing that hit to one of Stevens's is a joke. Watch the replay, Darius was going to miss Marshall on his check because Marshall slowed down. Instead of just missing him and running into the boards he stuck his elbow out and caught him in the jaw. I don't care if you think it was a bicep or whatever you want to sugar coat it with, the intent was there.

Its very similar to when a player tries to throw an open ice check and the guy with the puck steps out of the way. Some guys, instead of letting him go, are inclined to stick a knee out. This is the same type of situation.

As for no suspension, I think being suspended for most of last night's game was enough, no need to turn this into something huge. Also, the league isn't to inclined to hand out suspensions this year, I wouldn't put too much stock into that.

I don't know where this whole "follow through" argument came from. Comparing that hit to one of Stevens's is a joke. Watch the replay, Darius was going to miss Marshall on his check because Marshall slowed down. Instead of just missing him and running into the boards he stuck his elbow out and caught him in the jaw. I don't care if you think it was a bicep or whatever you want to sugar coat it with, the intent was there.

Its very similar to when a player tries to throw an open ice check and the guy with the puck steps out of the way. Some guys, instead of letting him go, are inclined to stick a knee out. This is the same type of situation.

As for no suspension, I think being suspended for most of last night's game was enough, no need to turn this into something huge. Also, the league isn't to inclined to hand out suspensions this year, I wouldn't put too much stock into that.

The follow through BS came from Davidson on the Rangers broadcast. That was his excuse for trying to defend this hit and tried to compare it to a Stevens follow through - the Rags fans on this board just regurgitate what he said as they don't know any better.

And I said before - I don't want him suspended and I don't think it would be fair to suddenly make him an example by suspending him for blows to the head without previously stating those kind of hits would be punished.

PS - Did anyone else feel like we had lost the game right after the end of the 5 minute power play? Soon as they didn't score on those 7 minutes of PP time in the beginning I just knew in my gut we were going to lose...

PS - Did anyone else feel like we had lost the game right after the end of the 5 minute power play? Soon as they didn't score on those 7 minutes of PP time in the beginning I just knew in my gut we were going to lose...

It's easy to think that, but it goes away if they score. It was after that when maybe five or six chances didn't result in anything I started to worry.

I don't worry about this team and their confidence like I did only a month ago. They were still trying to do it all right. They were a little flat, but they were still playing together and trying to get it done.

If you heard Rafalski's interview, it was almost mechanical, how the Marshall injury and the five-minute nothing had been put behind.

They know they had their chances. And they won't give up now like they did earlier this season. That's at least heartening. Oh yeah, the beatdown of Hollweg was heartening too.

Bicep is the part between the shoulder and elbow. Here's a diagram just incase you are unaware.. http://www.tqnyc.org/NYC051468/armpage.htm

As for the elbow pad, I've played hockey almost my entire life and have yet to see an elbow pad that would run up the entire bicep.

If it was a dirty hit I would admit to it but IMO it was a clean hit. Marshall had his head down looking at the puck and he got his clocked cleaned...just the way the NHL saw it.


not a clean hit.......may not have been intended, but not a clean hit. I am not even sure it warrants a suspension b ut if you think that is a clean hit you are nuts, I played too at a high level and it was dirty. he may have been a reaction hit or something but they made the right call by ejecting him, because the game would have gotten out of control if he stayed in

I know the Kasparitus hit portion of this thread is getting a little old, but I couldn't help adding a small afternote to this incident.

I find it very funny that so many fans will defend the actions of any player who puts on their favorite teams jersey. I think if Darius was wearing a Penguins jersey and he knocked out Dominic Moore, we'd find that the same fans that feel the Marshall hit was with "the bicept", would be saying, "He clearly led with the elbow!" ;)

By the way I'm not calling out Ranger fans... I think this is an epidemic amongst fans of all sports teams.

C'mon Lou. Take off your red glasses for a bit and realize that the Kaspar hit was NOT dirty. It was the follow through that was. Marshall was STUPID enough to have his head down at his feet looking at the puck and took a mid-arm/shoulder hit to the face. Not Kaspar's fault that Marshall, a veteren and hard nosed player to begin with, was stupid enough to play like that.

It was a GREAT hit by Kaspar and I'm glad that the league feels that way also. The ref who called it was extremely far away from the play while the other ref, who was looking right AT the play mind you, didn't call anything at all on the play.

Clean hit with an elbow comming up wayyy after the collision took place. That's the only reason someone would think it would be dirty.
Listen to yourself Jon, your lecturing me about taking off my red glasses but you can't admit that it was a dirty hit, I mean com'on, check the replay. As Kaspar skates by Marshall his arm is raised for the sole purpose to hit him with his elbow/arm, no way in hell was his shoulder any part of that hit as you try to suggest, none.

Great hit my ***, try dirty man.

Oh yeah, the beatdown of Hollweg was heartening too.

Funny how some of the Devil fans are worried about Marshall's previous neck injury and how the hit from last night might have effected him.

Yet, I guess devsjunkie is happy that Hollweg, who missed almost an entire year to a concussion, was "beatdown".

Real classy!

I'm not here to debate the hit, just a fan's callous attitude to another team's player.

BTW, I posted my comments about the Kaspar hit, but finished it by saying I hope Marshall was OK. I guess some people just don't get it.

Funny how some of the Devil fans are worried about Marshall's previous neck injury and how the hit from last night might have effected him.

Yet, I guess devsjunkie is happy that Hollweg, who missed almost an entire year to a concussion, was "beatdown".

Real classy!

I'm not here to debate the hit, just a fan's callous attitude to another team's player.

BTW, I posted my comments about the Kaspar hit, but finished it by saying I hope Marshall was OK. I guess some people just don't get it.

As a Devil fan and I think I speak for most when I say it just left an awful taste in your mouth. And on top of that have JD justify it all game (to even compare that hit and say that was what all Stevens' hits looked like, im gonna start comparing him to Chico for being ignorant). Yes it was prob an accident no real intent to injure but look at the replay it was hard to watch, def not clean.

The Hollweg beatdown was total different issue all together. Let us all not forget his cheapshot antics on Martin earlier this season, and yes his "beatdown" was way overdue. The fight was a mutual thing they squared off and Hollweg got it handed to him. Unlike Marshall, Hollweg 1. had a chance to defend himself
2. knew what he was getting into

Weak defense...

I was just asking this was no defense

PS - Did anyone else feel like we had lost the game right after the end of the 5 minute power play? Soon as they didn't score on those 7 minutes of PP time in the beginning I just knew in my gut we were going to lose... yeah thats what I felt

The fight was a mutual thing they squared off and Hollweg got it handed to him. Unlike Marshall, Hollweg 1. had a chance to defend himself
2. knew what he was getting into

Valid points. Hollweg stepped up to take his own medicine and did take a huge beating.

Just thought you guys should know his career was very close to being finished a few years ago as a result of a concussion and whenever he fights, he takes a risk. I give the guy credit for not backing down to a very good fighter in Janssen.

Funny how some of the Devil fans are worried about Marshall's previous neck injury and how the hit from last night might have effected him.

Yet, I guess devsjunkie is happy that Hollweg, who missed almost an entire year to a concussion, was "beatdown".

Real classy!

I'm not here to debate the hit, just a fan's callous attitude to another team's player.

BTW, I posted my comments about the Kaspar hit, but finished it by saying I hope Marshall was OK. I guess some people just don't get it.

Hollweg hits people from behind along the boards constantly and injured Martin earlier this season with a boarding. If he can't backup his cheap tactics with his fists or is in danger of getting another concussion, he shouldn't play that way. The beat down was deserved and if he gets another concussion maybe he'll have more respect for a player with his back to him along the boards. I have no sympathy for him.

Hollweg hits people from behind along the boards constantly and injured Martin earlier this season with a boarding. If he can't backup his cheap tactics with his fists or is in danger of getting another concussion, he shouldn't play that way. The beat down was deserved and if he gets another concussion maybe he'll have more respect for a player with his back to him along the boards. I have no sympathy for him.

Not sure exactly which game you're talking about, but I hope its not this game (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=189209). Martin clearly refuses the fight.

As for Hollweg "constantly hitting people from behind", I realize it's a figure of speech, and I can assure you its not constant. Please feel free to point out Hollweg's boarding calls and elbowing calls that hes had this season.

As for Hollweg the "fighter", he isnt. But hes not afraid of anyone. Once that fight started I was saying "what the heck is Holweg thinking?". But he fought knowing full well he would get the same treatment Janssen gave him in the pre-season.

I direct your attention to last Thursday's Devil game, when Janssen avoided a real fighter in Darcy Hordichuk. Only 3 shifts after a 1st period 'discussion'. Sure he has no control over his minutes. You'd think that Janssen, who lacks any other skill except fighting, would try and prove himself against a real fighter.

Not sure exactly which game you're talking about, but I hope its not this game (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=189209). Martin clearly refuses the fight.

As for Hollweg "constantly hitting people from behind", I realize it's a figure of speech, and I can assure you its not constant. Please feel free to point out Hollweg's boarding calls and elbowing calls that hes had this season.

As for Hollweg the "fighter", he isnt. But hes not afraid of anyone. Once that fight started I was saying "what the heck is Holweg thinking?". But he fought knowing full well he would get the same treatment Janssen gave him in the pre-season.

I direct your attention to last Thursday's Devil game, when Janssen avoided a real fighter in Darcy Hordichuk. Only 3 shifts after a 1st period 'discussion'. Sure he has no control over his minutes. You'd think that Janssen, who lacks any other skill except fighting, would try and prove himself against a real fighter.

I agree, Hollweg isn't a dirty player vand anybody who wants to point out how many boarding calls he's had be my guest.

As ABEV said, Hollweg is no fighter but he is a tough SOB that simply hits anything that moves.

Janssen was pretty impressive last game in that fight but if you want to match up guys who are strictly fighters we could dress Colton Orr next game and see how that works out for Janssen... :p:

Funny how some of the Devil fans are worried about Marshall's previous neck injury and how the hit from last night might have effected him.

Yet, I guess devsjunkie is happy that Hollweg, who missed almost an entire year to a concussion, was "beatdown".

Real classy!

I'm not here to debate the hit, just a fan's callous attitude to another team's player.

BTW, I posted my comments about the Kaspar hit, but finished it by saying I hope Marshall was OK. I guess some people just don't get it.

Well there is a difference, I don't wish permanent injury to anyone, so don't put those words in my mouth.

I don't know Hollweg's history. But he left the ice under his own steam, not with two people assisting. He continued to play. So please, don't try and make it the same thing as concern over a player whose health status we still don't really know.

Not sure exactly which game you're talking about, but I hope its not this game (http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=189209). Martin clearly refuses the fight.

As for Hollweg "constantly hitting people from behind", I realize it's a figure of speech, and I can assure you its not constant. Please feel free to point out Hollweg's boarding calls and elbowing calls that hes had this season.

As for Hollweg the "fighter", he isnt. But hes not afraid of anyone. Once that fight started I was saying "what the heck is Holweg thinking?". But he fought knowing full well he would get the same treatment Janssen gave him in the pre-season.

I direct your attention to last Thursday's Devil game, when Janssen avoided a real fighter in Darcy Hordichuk. Only 3 shifts after a 1st period 'discussion'. Sure he has no control over his minutes. You'd think that Janssen, who lacks any other skill except fighting, would try and prove himself against a real fighter.

Wow...you really have no idea do you? First here is the boxscore from the first Devils Rangers game were hollweg got a boarding penalty for hitting Martin from behind in the third period and it injured Martin.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/scores/boxscore/?id=5649
I don't have the time to find any others but my point being Hollweg plays on the edge and does it well but has to pay the price when opponents want to challenge him back...don't whine and defend him, he plays that way he has to face the music.

And Janssen hits and runs around just like Hollweg does he has just as much as skill as he does and while he may avoid a fight once in awhile, fights plenty. He has had fights against Montador of FLA, Murray of MON, Jackman of St Louis and Tucker of Toronto to name a few, no slouches in that category at all.

I don't have the time to find any others but my point being Hollweg plays on the edge and does it well but has to pay the price when opponents want to challenge him back...don't whine and defend him, he plays that way he has to face the music.

Not trying to defend him. You'd think that White would have wanted to get back at Hollweg? Hollweg faced the music. He fought.

And Janssen hits and runs around just like Hollweg does he has just as much as skill as he does and while he may avoid a fight once in awhile, fights plenty. He has had fights against Montador of FLA, Murray of MON, Jackman of St Louis and Tucker of Toronto to name a few, no slouches in that category at all.

Honestly, Janssen's hockey skills are laughable. Neither will be much of an offensive force in the NHL, but feel free to post another link that compares Hollweg's minor league offensive history to Janssen's.

The only thing that Janssen brings to the table is fighting. And no doubt hes one of the better fighters. But not fighting one of the better fighter's in the West makes you scratch your head.

Janssen was pretty impressive last game in that fight but if you want to match up guys who are strictly fighters we could dress Colton Orr next game and see how that works out for Janssen...

THAT would be something worth watching. :handclap:

I agree, Hollweg isn't a dirty player vand anybody who wants to point out how many boarding calls he's had be my guest.

As ABEV said, Hollweg is no fighter but he is a tough SOB that simply hits anything that moves.

Janssen was pretty impressive last game in that fight but if you want to match up guys who are strictly fighters we could dress Colton Orr next game and see how that works out for Janssen... :p:
It's not like Janssen would back down. He fought Wade Belak against Toronto despite the fact that he was giving up a full 6 inches to him. And he held his own.

And to the other poster who won't shut up about Janssen not fighting Hordichuk, I don't recall the actual occurrence, but I can tell you that if he didn't fight him, there were other things going on. Janssen is a player who doesn't back down from anyone, whether or not he will win the fight.

Besides fighting, I'm impressed by Janssen's hitting. Nice timing.

In both, he's far more skilled than our old fisticuffs man, Jim McKenzie.

Not trying to defend him. You'd think that White would have wanted to get back at Hollweg? Hollweg faced the music. He fought.
Not anymore. When the Devils had penalty killing defensemen like Stevens, Niedermayer and Daneyko, he was more willing to fight. Now, he is one of our best penalty killers and garners 2nd pairing ice time. He won't fight unless it is absolutley neccessary. The other night it wasn't since Janssen was there.