Kim Johnson says no to Olympics

Just confirmed today that Kim Johnson will stay with his family because his wife is expecting a child during the Olympics

Today Niklas Hävelid was named as his replacement



horrible news for the Swedish PP, i was expecting Lidström and Johnson..

dammit!


Johnsson hasn't been *so* great with the PP this season. This year, I'd say the Swedish PP is better off with Lidstrom and Ohlund.



His wife better have the kid or else I'm pulling it out myself!

Not a big deal IMO.

Not a big deal IMO.

Exactly, Kim Johnsson is replaceable. Sweden is loaded without him.

Johnsson has been pretty bad this season. Not a big deal.

Maybe it's not a big deal but he's still better than Hävelid.

Johnsson has been pretty bad this season.

That's not the truth. He struggled a bit early as he was battling through a groin issue, but the last 6 weeks he's looked like the Kim Johnsson of old.

how come we're the only country that is replacing players for injuries or no thanks? We're cursed.

Maybe it's not a big deal but he's still better than Hävelid.

well yeah he is, on the other hand Hävelid plays 25 min a game so the coach must like him.

I think Sweden will regret suspending Tallinder and Lilja. What if Kronwall cannot play either?
I understand all the charges against them have been dropped, and they have been cleared to play for Sweden again after the 2006-2007 season. Why are they still banned from Turin??

how come we're the only country that is replacing players for injuries or no thanks? We're cursed.

What do you mean? Finland has already replaced T.Ruutu and Kipper with J.Jokinen and Nitty. And it is possible that Sami Kapanen or/and Pitkänen are going to miss the Olympics, too.

I think Sweden will regret suspending Tallinder and Lilja. What if Kronwall cannot play either?
I understand all the charges against them have been dropped, and they have been cleared to play for Sweden again after the 2006-2007 season. Why are they still banned from Turin??

Tallinder could have been useful, but not Lilja.


The real shame is that Doug Murray isnt even on the list, so he cant be selected.

What do you mean? Finland has already replaced T.Ruutu and Kipper with J.Jokinen and Nitty. And it is possible that Sami Kapanen or/and Pitkänen are going to miss the Olympics, too.

I forgot abour finland. Sorry :P

Pitkänen will play tuesday again. No worries for him I think.

I think Sweden will regret suspending Tallinder and Lilja. What if Kronwall cannot play either?
I understand all the charges against them have been dropped, and they have been cleared to play for Sweden again after the 2006-2007 season. Why are they still banned from Turin??

everybody in sweden want to see tallinder play except for our dumb management.

everybody in sweden want to see tallinder play except for our dumb management.

Speak for yourself, Tallinder is way down on the depth chart.

everybody in sweden want to see tallinder play except for our dumb management.

I don't want to see him play. I don't consider him good enough. And I think he is a disgrace that shouldn't be allowed near the national team. But that, alas, is a different discussion.

Speak for yourself, Tallinder is way down on the depth chart.

I don't want to see him play. I don't consider him good enough. And I think he is a disgrace that shouldn't be allowed near the national team. But that, alas, is a different discussion.

but seriously. It looks like Kronwall can't play and then we have to choose magnus johansson or rhodin from SEL. Don't you want to see tallinder then? Where is our depth chart now? That's what I meant.

These are the ones we can select from:

On the team right now:
Lidström Nicklas
Norström Mattias
Öhlund Mattias
Hävelid Niclas
Bäckman Christian
Jönsson Kenny
Kronwall Niklas

The players who i think are closest to the team: (it's among these that Tallinder fit in)
Tärnström Dick
Tjärnqvist Daniel
Boumedienne Josef
Johansson Magnus
Rhodin Thomas
Sundin Ronnie

Fat chance in hell:
Wallin Niclas
Timander Mattias
Lindström Sanny
Oduya Johnny
Frögren Jonas
Hedin Pierre
Hållberg Per

Declined:
Johnsson Kim
Ragnarsson Marcus

These are the ones we can select from:


The players who i think are closest to the team: (it's among these that Tallinder fit in)
Tärnström Dick
Tjärnqvist Daniel
Boumedienne Josef
Johansson Magnus
Rhodin Thomas
Sundin Ronnie
[b]



yes and Tallinder has been the best of that crop.

There are a load of good d-men in the SEL, losing a NHLer isn't the end of the world...

but seriously. It looks like Kronwall can't play and then we have to choose magnus johansson or rhodin from SEL. Don't you want to see tallinder then? Where is our depth chart now? That's what I meant.

No, I don't. Going purely on merit, I'd rather see Hävelid and Tjärnqvist. And I just might prefer Doug Murray over Tallinder - I like what I'm hearing about him - though I can't say for sure, since I haven't seen him play.

But even if Tallinder was the best player available, I wouldn't want to see him on the team. There are more important things in life than putting out the best available hockey team. Such as representing your country with dignity and being a role-model for children.

Such as representing your country with dignity and being a role-model for children.

I agree with your point, but that never wins you anything in this world. (cue bertuzzi on canada)

The players who i think are closest to the team: [/b](it's among these that Tallinder fit in)
Tärnström Dick
Tjärnqvist Daniel
Boumedienne Josef
Johansson Magnus
Rhodin Thomas
Sundin RonnieAnd this explains why Tallinder would have been really useful..

There are more important things in life than putting out the best available hockey team. Such as representing your country with dignity and being a role-model for children.Mmmh..am i missing something?
Has Tallinder been PROVED guilty of anything?

Mmmh..am i missing something?
Has Tallinder been PROVED guilty of anything?

no he hasn't. I don't agree with my countrymen here. If kronwall can't play tallinder would have been useful.

Johnsson has been finding his stride of late, especially on the PP where Sweden would have paired him with Lidstrom. I think Ohlund would be their number two minutes guy, anyway, but this is not a small loss. Good for me, I dont need any more Flyers going over there and getting injured. I am already worried Foppa comes back with an injury, let alone all these other guys we are sending (Knuble, Nitty, etc).

Mmmh..am i missing something?
Has Tallinder been PROVED guilty of anything?

No he wasn't but him and Lilja Huselius were out drinking the night before a tournament game, picked up a girl and gangbanged until 4 am.

Mmmh..am i missing something?
Has Tallinder been PROVED guilty of anything?

No. But his behaviour was nonetheless disgraceful. It is possible to behave immoral and disgraceful even though you don't break any laws.

There are a load of good d-men in the SEL, losing a NHLer isn't the end of the world...


Where??? :dunno:

No he wasn't but him and Lilja Huselius were out drinking the night before a tournament game, picked up a girl and gangbanged until 4 am.

I think athletes do this kind of thing all the time. Don't you think a one year suspension is a little harsh?

No, I don't. Going purely on merit, I'd rather see Hävelid and Tjärnqvist. And I just might prefer Doug Murray over Tallinder - I like what I'm hearing about him - though I can't say for sure, since I haven't seen him play.

But even if Tallinder was the best player available, I wouldn't want to see him on the team. There are more important things in life than putting out the best available hockey team. Such as representing your country with dignity and being a role-model for children.
You have got to be kidding me. Do you think that was the only case of group sex any Swedes have been involved in? Who knows what is going on behind closed doors. Better yet who cares? tallinder/Lilja and Huselius were not charged and should be good to go in Turin.

I think athletes do this kind of thing all the time. Don't you think a one year suspension is a little harsh?
They don't do it when they're on duty with their national team...

You have got to be kidding me. Do you think that was the only case of group sex any Swedes have been involved in? Who knows what is going on behind closed doors. Better yet who cares? tallinder/Lilja and Huselius were not charged and should be good to go in Turin.

I may be naive, but I don't think gang-bangs with a half-conscious girl are that common among players representing their country. It is possible that it has happened before, but that is irrelevant here. Even if it were common, it wouldn't make the action any less morally reprehensible.

Fortunately, not even the morons running the swedish hockey federation, are as immoral as considering it ok. If you disagree, that is your problem.

I may be naive, but I don't think gang-bangs with a half-conscious girl are that common among players representing their country. It is possible that it has happened before, but that is irrelevant here. Even if it were common, it wouldn't make the action any less morally reprehensible.

Fortunately, not even the morons running the swedish hockey federation, are as immoral as considering it ok. If you disagree, that is your problem.
I have not been in a gang bang and never will be. I do not think much of the behavior but who am I to judge? Who are you to judge? I can think of many more morally reprehensible behaviors than sex. A hell of a lot more.

I have not been in a gang bang and never will be. I do not think much of the behavior but who am I to judge? Who are you to judge? I can think of many more morally reprehensible behaviors than sex. A hell of a lot more.

The big problem is not what they did it's that they did it while representing their country although i find it reprehensible that three guys weighing in at 600+ pounds "have sex" with a drunk girl (consensual my ***).

Since they are representing my country i have every right to judge them.

Where??? :dunno:

Fredrik Olausson(HV71), Jan Huokko(Södertälje), Ronnie Sundin(Frölunda), Per Gustafsson(HV71), Lars Jonsson(HV71) and then there is the 2nd tier...

You have got to be kidding me. Do you think that was the only case of group sex any Swedes have been involved in? Who knows what is going on behind closed doors. Better yet who cares? tallinder/Lilja and Huselius were not charged and should be good to go in Turin.

Could have used Huselius and Tallinder. Our team is weakended.

Fredrik Olausson(HV71), Jan Huokko(Södertälje), Ronnie Sundin(Frölunda), Per Gustafsson(HV71), Lars Jonsson(HV71) and then there is the 2nd tier...

You gotta be kidding me?!

You gotta be kidding me?!

Why would I... You think NHLers are that much better...? :biglaugh:

Why would I... You think NHLers are that much better...? :biglaugh:


um yeah no *****. there is a reason they play in NHL and the others in SEL.

I have not been in a gang bang and never will be. I do not think much of the behavior but who am I to judge? Who are you to judge? I can think of many more morally reprehensible behaviors than sex. A hell of a lot more.

There are two separate issues here: Morally evaluating the behaviour and evaluating a suitable punishment.

Judging the behaviour to be morally reprehensible is somehting I do in virtue of having a moral reason. Morally evaluating behaviour is something that we do almost all the time. From what you stated, I think it is fair to say that you have found the behaviour morally reprehensible too, albeit perhaps not to the same degree.

Demanding punishment is something I do primarily in virtue of the fact that it was my country they represented. (Which is, I take it, roughly what the Lion stated too)

By the way, it is nice to see that Matti and the Lion seem to have the same opinion. I thought I was the only hardliner in this case over at the Swedish board.

By the way, it is nice to see that Matti and the Lion seem to have the same opinion. I thought I was the only hardliner in this case over at the Swedish board.

I think they got a lot of punishment by the media who hang them out and dry even though it never went to court. It's also soon 1.5 years ago. They all want to play in olympics. Would I want to see huselius and Tallinder on the team if our chances of winning increased? Hell yes.

um yeah no *****. there is a reason they play in NHL and the others in SEL.

Yeah it's called money... :sarcasm:

Sorry but you guys make it sound as the SEL only has crap players... :D

No. But his behaviour was nonetheless disgraceful. It is possible to behave immoral and disgraceful even though you don't break any laws.

Suspending players from the team for "immorality" is the disgraceful thing. Whose job is it to determine that? Would you support them suspending a player from the national team because he is gay?

Suspending players from the team for "immorality" is the disgraceful thing. Whose job is it to determine that? Would you support them suspending a player from the national team because he is gay?

Oh yeah? And I guess it is your job to determine that it is disgraceful to suspend players.

Noone has a "job" of determining which behaviour is disgraceful, but the people in charge of the federation has a responsibility for punishing players that cross the line and do behave disgracefully. I would however venture to say that most people do think this behaviour is disgraceful, and they do it because it as a matter of fact is disgraceful behaviour.

If you, on the contrary, think their behaviour is ok and / or comparable to being homosexual, that's your very big problem.

Oh yeah? And I guess it is your job to determine that it is disgraceful to suspend players.

Noone has a "job" of determining which behaviour is disgraceful, but the people in charge of the federation has a responsibility for punishing players that cross the line and do behave disgracefully. I would however venture to say that most people do think this behaviour is disgraceful, and they do it because it as a matter of fact is disgraceful behaviour.

It's only disgraceful if you have a totally uptight attitude towards things like alcohol and sex.

If you, on the contrary, think their behaviour is ok and / or comparable to being homosexual, that's your very big problem.

Absolutely not. But there are people who think being gay is "immoral" and a gay athlete being on a national team is "disgraceful". Should those people have their biases placated?

Firstly, I don't think none of these suspended players are good enough to ever play in the olympics unless we're really thin on the depthside. Secondly, although they didn't break any laws their behaviour was disgraceful and they destroyed a lot for "Tre kronor". You don't go out to drink the night before a game, there should be no alcohol during a stay that "Tre kronor" is paying for. You shouldn't bring home any girls to the hotel when you are playing. This girl was totally wasted and maybe she did want to have sex with them, who knows but 3 guys on a half conscious girl is not natural sex from my point of view. Thirdly, one or two of them also has wives and kids. They should at least stay away from this behaviour for their familys sake. Maybe media was a bit harsh on them but come on, you have to take responsibility for your actions. If these players think it's more important to drink and have sex than play for "Tre kronor" they can stay out for good. I don't want these kind of players on my national team...

Absolutely not. But there are people who think being gay is "immoral" and a gay athlete being on a national team is "disgraceful". Should those people have their biases placated?

Well, people that think that having a gay on a national team is "disgraceful" is wrong. That's the difference. :)

Look, I am not saying that what they did was wrong because most people agree that it was disgraceful. It was wrong for other reasons, but I don't have the time or the energy to argue for that position. I do however think that it is relatively uncontroversial, even here, that it was deeply immoral, whether we describe it as "disgraceful" or not, and whether or nor we think they should be punished. Based on that assumption, I argue that they should be punished.

Hence, I don't think the "gay-example" is a good comparison.

Firstly, I don't think none of these suspended players are good enough to ever play in the olympics unless we're really thin on the depthside. Secondly, although they didn't break any laws their behaviour was disgraceful and they destroyed a lot for "Tre kronor". You don't go out to drink the night before a game, there should be no alcohol during a stay that "Tre kronor" is paying for. You shouldn't bring home any girls to the hotel when you are playing. This girl was totally wasted and maybe she did want to have sex with them, who knows but 3 guys on a half conscious girl is not natural sex from my point of view. Thirdly, one or two of them also has wives and kids. They should at least stay away from this behaviour for their familys sake. Maybe media was a bit harsh on them but come on, you have to take responsibility for your actions. If these players think it's more important to drink and have sex than play for "Tre kronor" they can stay out for good. I don't want these kind of players on my national team...

Well said. :)

Firstly, I don't think none of these suspended players are good enough to ever play in the olympics unless we're really thin on the depthside. Secondly, although they didn't break any laws their behaviour was disgraceful and they destroyed a lot for "Tre kronor". You don't go out to drink the night before a game, there should be no alcohol during a stay that "Tre kronor" is paying for. You shouldn't bring home any girls to the hotel when you are playing. This girl was totally wasted and maybe she did want to have sex with them, who knows but 3 guys on a half conscious girl is not natural sex from my point of view. Thirdly, one or two of them also has wives and kids. They should at least stay away from this behaviour for their familys sake. Maybe media was a bit harsh on them but come on, you have to take responsibility for your actions. If these players think it's more important to drink and have sex than play for "Tre kronor" they can stay out for good. I don't want these kind of players on my national team...
I ask you as I have before. If Markus Naslund was involved instead of Huselius would the cry be as loud?

I ask you as I have before. If Markus Naslund was involved instead of Huselius would the cry be as loud?

You are confusing two things.

Would it have been the same outrage? Probably worse since Näslund is more famous. It is possible that the punishment would have been worse due to a bigger outrage, but it could have been less due to the fact that losing Näslund would hurt more. We will never know.

Should Näslund have faced the same punhishment? Yes. And that is what matters.

You are confusing two things.

Would it have been the same outrage? Probably worse since Näslund is more famous. It is possible that the punishment would have been worse due to a bigger outrage, but it could have been less due to the fact that losing Näslund would hurt more. We will never know.

Should Näslund have faced the same punhishment? Yes. And that is what matters.

not even the media agrees with the "punishment"

I am more interested of putting the best team sweden on ice than some sex morale story really. There are much worse things going on in the world for me to care about this.

I ask you as I have before. If Markus Naslund was involved instead of Huselius would the cry be as loud?

You are using the wrong guy to make a statement with also, Naslund hasnt done alot of good in the nationalteam, if it was Forsberg or Alfie... well, I think alot of people would question it more but I also think that alot of people wouldn't want them back to the team, it is worse when it is a player that alot of people look up to and they behave like this while they are representing their country, it is disrespectful.

Let's put it this way. If it had been Peter Forsberg, Mats Sundin and Henrik Lundqvist in the gang bang would the media have been as harsh?. Yes, even worse since these players are much more famous. Would the punishment been as long? Probably not because these players are too important for the national team, that's always the problem when dealing out punishments, it never turns out totally fair.

You are using the wrong guy to make a statement with also, Naslund hasnt done alot of good in the nationalteam, if it was Forsberg or Alfie... well, I think alot of people would question it more but I also think that alot of people wouldn't want them back to the team, it is worse when it is a player that alot of people look up to and they behave like this while they are representing their country, it is disrespectful.

bertuzzi's crime is a lot worse than Huselius and the gang, and still Gretzky didn't hesitated to have him on Team Canada. Well what's your thought about that then? Canada wants to win. The nice guys never wins.

It would be wise for some of you to get this back on topic...very quickly.

You can't judge a person guilty when they have not done anything illegal! I don't support it but it was not illegal what they did. There are rules though that the players need to follow when they are out with the national team, that is what you can blame them for breaking. But this suspension is way too long.

Anyway, Kim Jonsson isn't the worst loss. We won't miss him in powerplay since Alfredsson and Sundin will play on point, probably with Lidström. Hävelid is as good as Jonsson in the defence so no bigger worries.

I agree with your point, but that never wins you anything in this world. (cue bertuzzi on canada)

why mention Bertuzzi and not Heatley?

why mention Bertuzzi and not Heatley?

heatly's case was an accident.

Anyway, Kim Jonsson isn't the worst loss. We won't miss him in powerplay since Alfredsson and Sundin will play on point, probably with Lidström. Hävelid is as good as Jonsson in the defence so no bigger worries.

Kim would have played on the second PP-unit. No we need a replacement for him there. If Kronwall can go, I wouldn't be too worried - I'd rather have a fully fit Kronwall than Johnsson. But I would rather have Kim than Bäckman, his likely replacement on the second PP-unit.

Kim would have played on the second PP-unit. No we need a replacement for him there. If Kronwall can go, I wouldn't be too worried - I'd rather have a fully fit Kronwall than Johnsson. But I would rather have Kim than Bäckman, his likely replacement on the second PP-unit.
Naaah, Lidström can play double shifts in worst case, that is no problem. Öhlund can play powerplay aswell but of course, if Kronwall is there it's absolutely no problem at all.

bertuzzi's crime is a lot worse than Huselius and the gang, and still Gretzky didn't hesitated to have him on Team Canada. Well what's your thought about that then? Canada wants to win. The nice guys never wins.

Maybe, though I don't know if he wants to hurt the guy or just start a fight, I don't think it went the way he wanted. While Huselius and the others probably knew what they did, even if they had a few drinks maybe, and they were on national assignments, I think you should feel honored to play with the national team and not treat it like a holiday.
I am not sure if I am saying that they shouldn't play for the team but I know I could never feel any respect for them, I rather have a team of "good" guys and win if possible, but if it came down to a player that would make a huge difference then I would probably want them to play.

Naaah, Lidström can play double shifts in worst case, that is no problem. Öhlund can play powerplay as well but of course, if Kronwall is there it's absolutely no problem at all.
Agreed, and if Kronwall doesn't play, Sweden can also add Tarnstrom as a bottom pairing guy/PP specialist. Just about anyone Sweden puts on the bottom pairing is unlikely to play much even strength, so they might as well have specialists there. If QBing the PP is a concern with Johnsson and Kronwall out, Tarnstrom would make sense.

Fredrik Olausson(HV71), Jan Huokko(Södertälje), Ronnie Sundin(Frölunda), Per Gustafsson(HV71), Lars Jonsson(HV71) and then there is the 2nd tier...

These guys would make Sweden really weak on defense, I can't see any of them on national team right now actually. The only guys in Europe I would consider for a roster spot among defensemen is Jönsson, Ragnarsson, Boumedienne, Hasse Jonsson and perhaps Rhodin.

I'd take Tallinder any day, he was on my orginally selection and would have been a great compliment to Niklas Kronwall on my third pairing. His smartness, passning game and pysichal attributes would be a nice addition to the team IMO.

Hävelid is as good as Jonsson in the defence so no bigger worries.
That's absolute nonsense.

I really think we need Doug Murray on our team. Unfourtunately BÅG probably never heard of the guy..

Both Öhlund and Bäckman can play PP (Tärnström too if he for some reason was selected). But I think we should play Alfredsson and Sundin on the point, Lidas could play on both PP-lines.

That's absolute nonsense.

nice turnover by johnsson when philly lost to colorado. He is sometimes a liability in his own end.

Let's put it this way. If it had been Peter Forsberg, Mats Sundin and Henrik Lundqvist in the gang bang would the media have been as harsh?. Yes, even worse since these players are much more famous. Would the punishment been as long? Probably not because these players are too important for the national team, that's always the problem when dealing out punishments, it never turns out totally fair.

True in pretty much every country IMO.

Who is going to replace Johnsson since he was actually ON the team?

Who is going to replace Johnsson since he was actually ON the team?

Niklas Hävelid

heatly's case was an accident.

Yeah, it was an complete accident was driving 70 mph in a 30 mph zone. I think in any Scandinavian country Heatly would have found himself in jail.