Oh please...

Let me first say that I do think it is very unfortunate that the Russia goal was not counted last night. I don't think you will find any Canada fans that like to see a game tainted by that kind of event. We want to win, yes, but we want it to be done fairly. However, reading Malkin's comments after the game, he is either just a kid letting off steam after an emotional loss, or he is a complete idiot:

"We were ready that the referee might not be on our side," said Malkin".

(from http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/news_story/?ID=149593&hubname=world_jrs)

At this level, and in this day and age, refs are never on anybody's side. Ever. They are professionals. Anybody who thinks that a referee makes a conscious decision to be biased against a particular team is either stupid or paranoid. Like everybody else in the world, referees try to be the best they can be at their jobs, and that means to call it as they see it. It is not in the best interest of a referee's career to be biased at any time!! That is not to say that they are always correct, because we know that's not true. But anybody who thinks that refs are "out to get" you, or are "against" you, is just looking for excuses.

Wow, if anyone ever wondered why Russia lost, this is why. They were probably too busy crying about the goal that they forgot to play the game.

At the end of the game I had tears in my eyes," said defenceman Andrei Zubarev.

Just a day earlier Zubarev had said that historically the Russians were more skilled than Canada. Khudobin had even boasted Russia would "dominate" Canada.
:biglaugh:

Goaltender Anton Khudobin was so distraught he tossed his glove, stick and mask at the Russian bench. Several team officials had to console him.
:biglaugh:

Coach Sergey Mikhalev argued that a disallowed goal could have swung the game in Russia's favour.

"This goal would have had an outcome on the game," said Mikhalev. "Team Canada would have had to play differently."
You still had half a game, coach.

"We were ready that the referee might not be on our side," said Malkin. "Of course it didn't help our motivation. Nonetheless, we fought back and tried our best."
Umm, captain, isn't it your job to talk to the ref?

Did you know it was in, Malkin? If you didn't, how would the ref know?

Defenceman Alexei Emelin said the loud, soldout crowd of 18,630 intimidated the Russians in what was a physical, high-energy game. The Candians hit everything in red, disrupting the flow of the Russian attack like boulders in a river.
... and you didn't figure that out when you lost 8-1?

You know, I blame this on the coach. He should have had the players fired up and ready to overcome some adversity after that goal was disallowed. . . not ready to use it as an excuse if they lost. I'm a Canada fan and I honestly didn't see the Russians being truly dangerous after that point.

I honestly didn't see the Russians being truly dangerous after that point.

Which is the argument that that goal killed them

Which is the argument that that goal killed them

Yes, but that is their own fault! You don't just pack up and go home after a bit of adversity with half the game to go! Do you honestly believe that Brent Sutter's squad would have self-destructed so thoroughly if faced with a similar situation? No way.

It is a mental killer though, you have to admit. They came out strong in the 1st and somehow ended up down 2 goals. They came out strong in the second and score, only for it to not be counted. Then right after they take a stupid penalty, and get scored on again.

It's enough to make anyone depressed.

unfortunately this kind of response is entirely too human. Instead of taking a lesson from your "failure", one looks for things to be rigged against one's efforts. It breeds a culture of defeat, and feeds unhealthy emotions like anger and hatered.

If one accepts that, well, perhaps I could have worked a little harder, or perhaps taken a different approach then things would be different... and next time I'll have to be ready to broaden my approach and simply keep trying, then how can one really feel like a failure?

If it's something beyond your control, or as suggested, in the hands of another all powerful manipulator... well then, how can you not but feel foolish and weak? One is admitting you can never win in such a senario.

I watched the whole game, and it was certainly clear to me that the Russian squad was a far more talented group of players. Overall they were faster, stronger and had more skills. They weren't afraid of physical play, yet when they ran into some good goaltending and had a couple of break downs in their own end, you could see them begin to doubt themselves.

It's unfortunate for them that they let that happen, because they were easily the domant team in the first period. The Canadian squad only held there own by playing exceptional positional, physical hockey.

How many times in the first did I watch the Russian forcheck force turnovers? They were passing extremely well and skating like fiends.

Not to diminish what Canada did at all, because they played one of the best team games I've ever watched. They simply did not stop skating both ends of the ice as well as playing the body. One certainly got the sense that this team would play at this tempo almost the whole game.

I really knew the Russian guys were done when they had three men skating hard into the Canadian end, only to take a slap shot just inside the blue line... against a hot goalie...

One surmises that the Russians were simply not "prepared" to give the necessary effort, and by this I mean by the coach.

Talent will only take you so far, and when you are competing at anything at this level, without the necessary effort, you simply won't win.

Think about how much the Russian kids could take from this game if their coach and they, honestly assessed the game. Well, it seems that they're not going to learn anything from losing this game, and that is an even bigger loss in my eyes.

It is a mental killer though, you have to admit. They came out strong in the 1st and somehow ended up down 2 goals. They came out strong in the second and score, only for it to not be counted. Then right after they take a stupid penalty, and get scored on again.

It's enough to make anyone depressed.

Somehow? You mean like the goal fairy delivered them to the wrong team?

Man, that Russian squad had enough top level talent to win this game. So what they got down a couple of goals... the dissalowed one should have (and did), light a fire under their *****. The game isn't just about goal scoring... it's not just a shoot out. It's preventing them as a team.

The only way the Russians didn't stack up was on defence, or rather, their defensive game. Losing 8 - 1 gave their coach and most of their players an obvious example of what they needed to fix. If those guys spent a little time practicing which man to take in a variety of situations, they wouldn't have had the first two goals go in. ie They simply didn't play smart enough to win.

Any goal scored against your team is going to be deflating if you allow it to be. Why give up? It's not like guys like Malkin can't score a hat-trick in a period and a half.

It's doing a huge disservice to your team and the players to dismiss a loss as beyond their control. It's a losing attitude.

No doubt it can be deflating to have that happen to you. And the game would obviously have been different had the goal counted. My beef, however, is with the assertion that the referees can be "against" you in this tournament. It is not in the best interest of ANY referee's career to be seen as biased in any fashion. Perceived impartiality is of paramount importance to a referee's success. No referee cares about the outcome of a WJHC game more than they do about the welfare of their career (and thus their income and, in turn, their families!). Anybody who thinks otherwise is a complete and total idiot, and likely a budding conspiracy theorist.

(yes, I know this post is similar to one I made in another thread, but that post is buried on page 3465354 or whatever, so I wanted to make it again :p. So sue me :) ).

The reason that Canadians changed the referee already means that they wanted his benevolence. So basically the first one who questioned referee was Canadian side and probably Sutter himself. IMHO the referee didn't made a good job. And I am not talking about missed goal. I didn't like what kind of job he done especially in the 1st period. His bias or unprofessionalism stood out to me (few missed calls and few "fantom" calls).

About the missed goal. Referee knew there was a goal since he contacted with someone on the phone but he ignored everything. It all ruined the game, mental killer as it was already mentioned here. Canada very well deserved this victory but the referee left bad sediment from his job.

No doubt it can be deflating to have that happen to you. And the game would obviously have been different had the goal counted. My beef, however, is with the assertion that the referees can be "against" you in this tournament. It is not in the best interest of ANY referee's career to be seen as biased in any fashion. Perceived impartiality is of paramount importance to a referee's success. No referee cares about the outcome of a WJHC game more than they do about the welfare of their career (and thus their income and, in turn, their families!). Anybody who thinks otherwise is a complete and total idiot, and likely a budding conspiracy theorist.

(yes, I know this post is similar to one I made in another thread, but that post is buried on page 3465354 or whatever, so I wanted to make it again :p. So sue me :) ).

I agree, I don't think any referee is going to be outright 'biased'.

But, to be fair, Team Canada didn't lobby to change the scheduled game referee for no reason. They're proposed American ref would have been more used to Canada's style of play, and probably more leanient on calls than the Swedish ref. If all the refs are the same, why did Canada lobby for this change?

Either way, Canada deserved the gold last night. But it goes to show that, even if not overt, refs can have an important say in the outcome of a game -- particularly in international events when teams play such different 'styles' of hockey.

It was a stupid comment after an emotional game. I am not sure if there is much more to the story. But it was a very stupid comment.

The reason that Canadians changed the referee already means that they wanted his benevolence.

No! Absolutely not correct. Canada wanted a referee that would permit a physical style of hockey, and not one that would call every incidence of contact as in some earlier games in the tournament. That is very, very different from bias or "benevolence".

The referee was American. Did you not see the outrage on these boards after the treatment of Team USA by the fans in Vancouver?! Do you really think an American would want to make these same fans happy by skewing his officiating, and furthermore going against his training and sense of fair play instilled in all professional referees?! No way. Absolutely not.

You're trying to justify yourself by saying that the system was against you but that is simply not true.

If all the refs are the same, why did Canada lobby for this change?

Please note, at no point did I ever imply that all referees are the same. Only that at this level they do not have a bias against any particular team.

Anton Khudobin looks like a winner , Patrick Roy jr . Id take him on my team any day!

I regret that I stayed up until 5am to watch this game. It was the weakest I've seen in the tournament. 90% of Canadas hits were illegal (hands/elbows to the head, feet off the ice and few of them could've easily been boarding calls), 3 or 4 of their 5 their goals were crappy (when Finland scores goals like that they are called "trash goals" by everyone) and Russia and their Malkins were even more disappointing.

And now I understand why Jack Johnson elbowed Downie and believe him when he said Downie embellished it. Downie was on his knees or face 70% of the time and 25% of the time he was yapping his mouth. Annoying guy.

But this call, a clear goal being disallowed just because the referee can't admit he made a mistake earlier, really made me regret my decision to watch this game...

No! Absolutely not correct. Canada wanted a referee that would permit a physical style of hockey, and not one that would call every incidence of contact as in some earlier games in the tournament. That is very, very different from bias or "benevolence".

That's actually just pretty sad. Why can't every team choose a ref that suits their style of play?

But this call, a clear goal being disallowed just because the referee can't admit he made a mistake earlier, really made me regret my decision to watch this game...

I'm pretty sure the referee couldn't do anything about it. Play continued for 2 more whistles, which was the fault of both the Russian players/coaches and the referee. Once the play is restarted after a whistle I don't think the rules allow you to go back and take time off the clock.

Bottom line, you lose 5-0, look at yourself in the mirror, because that is all you have to blame. YOU LOSE RUSSIA. Sorry, to see Malkin never get his WJC gold, and it's back to square one again for team Russia. Expect Canada to take it again next year.

Lets talk about a game that has video judges. Why do they exist ? Lets just put one ref in the game, as the rest are paid no to watch the game. It takes someone 2 mins to see if its a goal or not ?

What measures will IIHF take against the refs ? Nothing. On iihf.com they dont even say a word about the russian goal.

Personally i vote for no more video judge or goal judge.

STOP THE PRESSES!!!!


Teenagers saying stupid stuff? Wow, I'm speechless.

But I do wonder about one thing: what's the excuse for the rest of us who are over 20-years old?

No! Absolutely not correct. Canada wanted a referee that would permit a physical style of hockey, and not one that would call every incidence of contact as in some earlier games in the tournament. That is very, very different from bias or "benevolence".


While it could be the first and the main reason but in the end it appeared to me that there was some bias or unprofessionalism. He missed few moments and reacted on some questionable moments. Now he is picky, then next moment he is not so picky. Hitting was fine to me by the way.

He is a clip with few moments from the 1st period. He missed highsticking but reacted on basically diving or simple falling, plus there were some clutch and grab moments that were ignored. h ttp://rapidshare.de/files/10507842/wjc2006.wmv.html

I regret that I stayed up until 5am to watch this game. It was the weakest I've seen in the tournament. 90% of Canadas hits were illegal (hands/elbows to the head, feet off the ice and few of them could've easily been boarding calls), 3 or 4 of their 5 their goals were crappy (when Finland scores goals like that they are called "trash goals" by everyone) and Russia and their Malkins were even more disappointing.

:dunno:

There's a simple solution to that you know. As soon as you figured out it was a boring game you could... and brace yourselves, I know this is thinking outside of the box here... TURN OFF THE TV!

:eek:

No one is holding a gun to your head here. Don't like it. Don't watch it.

A goal is a goal. And so called "trash goals" result from hard work. Finland always works their arses off and deserves any good things that come from that. Same with Canada.

I love, by the way, how you point out questionable Canadian calls but fail to mention the amount of non-calls in Russia's favour, ie. Blunden getting absolutely mauled in front of the net... not once, not twice but AT LEAST 3 times, including Khubodin chopping at his back and another Russian player having him in a headlock.

Your post seems like a pathetic attempt to take away from Canada's win.

:teach:

Play continued for 2 more whistles, which was the fault of both the Russian players/coaches and the referee. Once the play is restarted after a whistle I don't think the rules allow you to go back and take time off the clock.

I believe it was just 1 whistle. Game started as nothing happened because noone noticed the goal but on the very next pause in the game the referee talked to someone on the phone and then talked with the Russian team and then continued the game as nothing happened.

STOP THE PRESSES!!!!


Teenagers saying stupid stuff? Wow, I'm speechless.

But I do wonder about one thing: what's the excuse for the rest of us who are over 20-years old?
I blame Gee Wally.

It is a mental killer though, you have to admit. They came out strong in the 1st and somehow ended up down 2 goals. They came out strong in the second and score, only for it to not be counted. Then right after they take a stupid penalty, and get scored on again.

It's enough to make anyone depressed.

Cry me a river. This isn't the first goal to ever be missed or disallowed, particularly in international hockey. Back in the 70's and 80's, the officiating was worse, particularly the diving that was accepted back then. Canada has had it's fair share of non or bad calls. Show some character and come back even harder. They didn't. Despite being outshot, I don't think the game was so one sided as you suggest at the time of the missed goal.

90% of Canadas hits were illegal (hands/elbows to the head, feet off the ice and few of them could've easily been boarding calls)...
:cry: HOCKEY IS A CONTACT SPORT!

3 or 4 of their 5 their goals were crappy (when Finland scores goals like that they are called "trash goals" by everyone) and Russia and their Malkins were even more disappointing. ...
:biglaugh: they're called trash goals in Canada too, and yet they still count

the truth of the matter is that if the Russians had stayed with playing their game, and not run for cover everytime a Canadian was going to check them, they would have had a better chance at winning.

I regret that I stayed up until 5am to watch this game. It was the weakest I've seen in the tournament. 90% of Canadas hits were illegal (hands/elbows to the head, feet off the ice and few of them could've easily been boarding calls), 3 or 4 of their 5 their goals were crappy (when Finland scores goals like that they are called "trash goals" by everyone) and Russia and their Malkins were even more disappointing.

And now I understand why Jack Johnson elbowed Downie and believe him when he said Downie embellished it. Downie was on his knees or face 70% of the time and 25% of the time he was yapping his mouth. Annoying guy.

But this call, a clear goal being disallowed just because the referee can't admit he made a mistake earlier, really made me regret my decision to watch this game...

If the goal counted, would the score have been 5-1? Just because one goal was missed, doesn't mean they would have come back. It happened early in the 2nd period. If the Russians gave up just because of it, then they didn't deserve to win. They had plenty of time to come back. Perhaps what they didn't have plenty of, was character.

If the goal counted, would the score have been 5-1? Just because one goal was missed, doesn't mean they would have come back. It happened early in the 2nd period. If the Russians gave up just because of it, then they didn't deserve to win. They had plenty of time to come back. Perhaps what they didn't have plenty of, was character.

If you have played any organized sports on a decent level you should be able to realize that sports isn`t math. Had the Russian goal counted they would be down 2-1 with more than half the game to play and carrying the momentum. Instead you get a slap in the face when you`re goal isn`t allowed and when Canada score 3-0 right afterwards you face a tough uphill battle. Russia probably didn`t deserve to win anyway, but there is no question in my mind that we could`ve seen a much different game had the Russian goal been allowed.

I don't think the ref, goal judge, russian players or canadian players had a sniff that that russian goal went in. Thats what no one said anything.

And for the record, the ref didn't go "upstairs", "upstairs" called him a whistle later.
If there was any doubt, the russian bench should of asked the ref to go upstairs.

It was just bad luck that the nets padding was shaped the way it was.

Its unfortunate but these things do happen in hockey.

This is very typical of Russian Hockey. If they dont win, they whine. They find an excuse. The blame anyone but themselves.

Russia played extremely well the first half of the game. They had more and better chances in the first, and they dominated the first half of the second. However, after the 30 minute mark, down 2-0, they quit.

The Russians need to take a look at themselves. They expected a coronation last night, because their team was so much more talented than the Canadians. I don't know how many times we have to teach them that talent is not nearly as important as drive, desire and effort before they learn, but evidently this year was not that year.

Canada had superior coaching, superior goaltending, a superior defense and a superior attitude. That is why Russia lost.

This is very typical of Russian Hockey. If they dont win, they whine. They find an excuse. The blame anyone but themselves.

Russia played extremely well the first half of the game. They had more and better chances in the first, and they dominated the first half of the second. However, after the 30 minute mark, down 2-0, they quit.

The Russians need to take a look at themselves. They expected a coronation last night, because their team was so much more talented than the Canadians. I don't know how many times we have to teach them that talent is not nearly as important as drive, desire and effort before they learn, but evidently this year was not that year.

Canada had superior coaching, superior goaltending, a superior defense and a superior attitude. That is why Russia lost.


my grade 11 gym class had a motto..."it all starts with attitude" you are right, Attitude, not quitting and never giving up is why the canadians won last night.

If you have played any organized sports on a decent level you should be able to realize that sports isn`t math. Had the Russian goal counted they would be down 2-1 with more than half the game to play and carrying the momentum. Instead you get a slap in the face when you`re goal isn`t allowed and when Canada score 3-0 right afterwards you face a tough uphill battle. Russia probably didn`t deserve to win anyway, but there is no question in my mind that we could`ve seen a much different game had the Russian goal been allowed.

There's no question in your mind??? I think there is a question of whether the game would have changed or not. Just because it would have been 2-1, does that automatically mean Russia would have scored again? No! Would Canada have become even more determined had they allowed the goal? Very likely? After all, Canada displayed more character than the Russians throughout the game. If you've played enough sports, you'd know adversity separtates the winners from the quitters.

The reason that Canadians changed the referee already means that they wanted his benevolence. So basically the first one who questioned referee was Canadian side and probably Sutter himself. IMHO the referee didn't made a good job. And I am not talking about missed goal. I didn't like what kind of job he done especially in the 1st period. His bias or unprofessionalism stood out to me (few missed calls and few "fantom" calls).

About the missed goal. Referee knew there was a goal since he contacted with someone on the phone but he ignored everything. It all ruined the game, mental killer as it was already mentioned here. Canada very well deserved this victory but the referee left bad sediment from his job.
Classic Russian response to defeat. "It's not our fault, it was the refs!" :cry:

Canada won 2 games by a combined score of 13-1. With or without that single goal there is NO QUESTION who the better team was.

Wow, if anyone ever wondered why Russia lost, this is why. They were probably too busy crying about the goal that they forgot to play the game.


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:biglaugh:


You still had half a game, coach.


Umm, captain, isn't it your job to talk to the ref?

Did you know it was in, Malkin? If you didn't, how would the ref know?


... and you didn't figure that out when you lost 8-1?

some of the things you say are true but somewhat scewed - what kinda of tournament is this though - how could they blow that call? - total bush league

the russians were robbed - as for the canadian fans booing the american team - proud moments for sure

I wonder if the goal judge had access to the net cam? The usual goal judge camera (above the net, pointing down) didn't show anything, if the netcam isn't there, no one in the world would have known it was in.

I'm guessing someone called the Russian bench and told them it was a goal, and thats when they asked the ref to go upstairs.

If you have played any organized sports on a decent level you should be able to realize that sports isn`t math. Had the Russian goal counted they would be down 2-1 with more than half the game to play and carrying the momentum. Instead you get a slap in the face when you`re goal isn`t allowed and when Canada score 3-0 right afterwards you face a tough uphill battle. Russia probably didn`t deserve to win anyway, but there is no question in my mind that we could`ve seen a much different game had the Russian goal been allowed.

It's entirely possible that the game would have had a different outcome had the goal been noticed in time, but if you're just gonna quit after having a missed call go against you, you don't deserve to win.

Thing with the goal, no one really was to blame for it not being reviewed in time. No one reacted, Russian, Canadian, referee. If someone had reacted that it was a goal, it probably would have been reviewed and counted. It was an unfortunate thing. But Russia didn't show up to play.

The officiating was even both ways, there were some questionable hits on Canada's side but there was countless interference and holding calls let go on Russia's side. Ask Blunden how he likes wrestling in front of the net.

Malkin's searching for excuses. His team fired 15 shots at Pogge in the first 15 minutes. They got no goals. That's why they lost. They actually had several quality chances to score in the minutes after the missed goal, but couldn't beat Pogge. They did not get the job done. Just like Canada did not get the job done in 2002.

Was it unfortunate? Yes. Did it cost the Russians the game? No. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

Maybe Malkin should stop looking for excuses, and start thinking of ways he can overcome strong physical play by opposing defencemen and forwards, because come Olympic time, he'll be facing players bigger, stronger, faster and better at shutting down the opponent than Staal and Parent.

About the missed goal. Referee knew there was a goal since he contacted with someone on the phone but he ignored everything.

I don't know how you would know this. I think it's far more likely he was waved over during the first stoppage in play because the video guys in the booth called down to tell him about goal.

The Russian response to the outcome of this game is clearly frustration. Eventually they will realize that they got beat by a better TEAM, and that hockey is a TEAM game. No doubt they had easily the most talented player in the tournament, but talent alone won't win it for you. Paying the price and playing as a team, and with composure is what wins it for you.

I don't know how you would know this. I think it's far more likely he was waved over during the first stoppage in play because the video guys in the booth called down to tell him about goal.

This is what happened. The overhead horn went to call the ref to the box. Then he got on the blower to upstairs and they told him the news.

The officiating was atrocious. Like I said before - these are the examples:

First period - 13 minutes into the game Russia is on PP, Zubov is tripped by Goaltender right in front of the referee, 6 feet away. Easy call for 5 on 3 PP, no-call.

Again first period - Russia on PP, 3 seconds left in the period when Boyd just wrestles down Emelin, EASY CALL! Should have been 5 on 3 for 1 min 40 seconds, almost a guaranteed goal - no call. These are just two examples.

But how about the second period when Canada had only ONE!!! penalty when the ref closed his eyes on at least three more!

These days, at this level a referee can definitely decide the outcome of the game.

That's actually just pretty sad. Why can't every team choose a ref that suits their style of play?
Seemed to suit Russia's style just fine. They showed up when it came to the physical play. They just forgot to score 5 goals.

At this level, and in this day and age, refs are never on anybody's side. Ever. They are professionals. Anybody who thinks that a referee makes a conscious decision to be biased against a particular team is either stupid or paranoid. Like everybody else in the world, referees try to be the best they can be at their jobs, and that means to call it as they see it. It is not in the best interest of a referee's career to be biased at any time!! That is not to say that they are always correct, because we know that's not true. But anybody who thinks that refs are "out to get" you, or are "against" you, is just looking for excuses.

Ever see the women's final of the 2002 Olympics?

Classic Russian response to defeat. "It's not our fault, it was the refs!" :cry:


I thought I pointed out that Canada well deserved this victory, also I pointed out on referee's serious mistake and overall not great job which is always should be recognized and not hushed up. And now please point me out where I have said that Russia deserved the victory in this game.

Is there ever some sore losers here...The game wasnt over at 2-0 despite the goal that should have counted. If the Russians want to blame the loss on that mistake well ill be the first to say that they are a bunch of losers. A real team forgets about it and works harder to win. Not everything is fair BTW, i remember couple years ago in czech republic during the finals, during the last minute of the game Russian goalie deliberatly moves the nets off when Canada is buzzing in Russia's zone, should hve been a penalty shot, the referee doesnt see it, Canada loses. Tough break. However it wasnt why Canada lost and they didnt talk about missed call after the game, rather the fact that they had a 2-0 lead and lost.

This season, Bryan Smolinski of the Sens scored on the Leafs but it wasn't counted because no one had noticed that it had gone in.

Replays showed that it had, but no one on the ice made a fuss and play continued.

Murray was pretty peeved by the first intermission that it hadn't counted, once word had gotten to him, but, and here's the important part, they still won the game despite missing a goal.

It IS possible folks.

The officiating was atrocious. Like I said before - these are the examples:

First period - 13 minutes into the game Russia is on PP, Zubov is tripped by Goaltender right in front of the referee, 6 feet away. Easy call for 5 on 3 PP, no-call.

Again first period - Russia on PP, 3 seconds left in the period when Boyd just wrestles down Emelin, EASY CALL! Should have been 5 on 3 for 1 min 40 seconds, almost a guaranteed goal - no call. These are just two examples.

But how about the second period when Canada had only ONE!!! penalty when the ref closed his eyes on at least three more!

These days, at this level a referee can definitely decide the outcome of the game.

Need we outline the Russian penalties that weren't called? Or the Russian dives that weren't called? It goes on.... There were non-calls both ways. Fact is Russia got outplayed.

Canada won because it's a team game, and a team effort. Individual skill is only good if you have the depth to compliment it.

Need we outline the Russian penalties that weren't called? Or the Russian dives that weren't called? It goes on.... There were non-calls both ways. Fact is Russia got outplayed.

Yes, please do, specify the type of the call and the exact time, I have a DVD and I will take a look! Perhaps I really missed them, but I don't think so because the refereeing was blatantly one-sided.

I thought I pointed out that Canada well deserved this victory, also I pointed out on referee's serious mistake and overall not great job which is always should be recognized and not hushed up. And now please point me out where I have said that Russia deserved the victory in this game.
Sorry man, my response wasn't directed squarely at you. More directed at the Russian contigent on these boards. Guys like Siberian, Metallion, Peter25. Guys that still whine, cry and ***** about being beaten by a tough physical game. It is posters like these that perpetuate the "pansy Euro" stereotype on these boards and give other Russian posters like yourself a really, really bad name, undeservedly so. Again, sorry, not trying to single you out.

This kinda of stuff is all part of the game. You have a goal like that not count, then you have to battle through that type of stuff, not fold and say, see yas all next year. The Russian player never celebrated, not even a little, so he didn't even know it went in. If he had of, then the officials would have went upstairs right away and looked at it.

It's an unfortunate thing, but its part of the game.

Need we outline the Russian penalties that weren't called? Or the Russian dives that weren't called? It goes on.... There were non-calls both ways. Fact is Russia got outplayed.

If the Russian bench and players failed to recongnize at the time of the goal it was in and request, and demand a review it is as much their fault as anybody. Once play is resumed the chance to review is gone, that's just the way it is not a bias.

If the Russian bench and players failed to recongnize at the time of the goal it was in and request, and demand a review it is as much their fault as anybody. Once play is resumed the chance to review is gone, that's just the way it is not a bias.

Of course, that is what Goal Judge must have been hoping for that Russian bench will fail to notice from 100 feet that the goal actually crossed the line. Naive Russians really relied on this guy.

Yes, please do, specify the type of the call and the exact time, I have a DVD and I will take a look! Perhaps I really missed them, but I don't think so because the refereeing was blatantly one-sided.
Everytime Blunden stood in front of the net. At one point the defenseman had him in a head lock. The goalie was slashing him in the back. None of that was called. There is no way you can say the reffing was one-sided. Calls were missed both ways, it will always be the case.

Of course, that is what Goal Judge must have been hoping for that Russian bench will fail to notice from 100 feet that the goal actually crossed the line. Naive Russians really relied on this guy.
And you are really sounding like the stereo-typical whiney Russian this morning. Go get a tissue, you may want to get the ones that have lotion in them, they are softer on the nose. :whine: :nopity:

On a side note, what were the power plays last night?

Just let it go people. This conversation has gone on long enough.