Latendresse benched again

Well for the second time in two games, Guillaume Latendresse was benched by Sutter for his play. Bad giveaways and poor positional play in both cases. Looks to me like Latendresse isn't the complete player that everyone seems to want to make him out to be. Maybe that's why he's back in junior and not in the NHL. Let's hope he wakes up eventually, or else he could find himself watching while the rest of the Team Canada forwards play.

Could Latendresse be the Michael Jordan of hockey?

I think it is entirely possible, some have said that Crosby himself is showing signs of being the next Latendresse.

Pretty clear to me Latendresse doesn't have what it takes to compete amongst people his own age, let alone the best of the best in the NHL.

Yeah I have also noticed that he has been playing kinda badly when he does get his icetime. Hopefully he can step it up because he is a special player and maybe he will wake up and play his heart out tonight.

he just needs to start shooting and gaining his confidence

he just needs to start shooting and gaining his confidence
I think it's more an issue of not caring.

Pretty clear to me Latendresse doesn't have what it takes to compete amongst people his own age, let alone the best of the best in the NHL.

Here we go, aren't you tired of bashing habs prospects?

Wjc's shouldn't determine your success in the NHL.

He was looking like a beast against nhl'ers, in training camps.

Wait till' he gains confidence. When he started playing in the Q, this year he started really slow but he started producing on a regular basis after a little bit of time.

I think it's more an issue of not caring.

I think he may have come down with the Anthony Stewart syndrome.

He probably got benched for showing to much skill. Suter is a dofus!

but wait, i thought he was "King Latendresse"? :sarcasm:

Bust!

Jk :p:

but wait, i thought he was "King Latendresse"? :sarcasm:

The ironic meaning of this "nickname" was quite obvious. You kinda make a fool of yourself.

I thought Latendresse was ready to dominate the NHL?

he's playing good enough to have a chance to play regularly at least

Canada can't even run up the score against a crappy team

Pretty clear to me Latendresse doesn't have what it takes to compete amongst people his own age, let alone the best of the best in the NHL.

Maybe you're right, :p: :cry: :p:

or...

Maybe Latendresse will be in the NHL in 1-2 years, and prove that he is a top 6 forward (power-forward) for the Habs... :) :), and then we'll never hear about you again! (not that I would mind if we did! ;) :jump: ).

or...

maybe it's just too obvious you hate the Habs! :( :dunno: :p: (it's ok!! you have a right to your freedom of speech!! yeehah!! :handclap:).




P.S: I still think that Latendresse can be a #1-#2 line power forward for the Habs one day. :handclap: :) :jump:

It doesn't even look like he cares out there. At least move your legs! Big disappointment for me in this tournament so far.

Are you guys kidding me? He hasn't even seen the ice since the game started and that's not due to him not playing well...it's because of all the penalties and the fact that despite him being on the 1st line, Pouliot replaces him on the PP...

He's not seeing any icetime for anyone to formulate an opinion on his play tonight...

I really don't see what he did to get benched tonight, he's had 4 shifts...

if Latendresse got the hook for wrong positioning on the ice, then Pyatt has to get the hook as well, he's blowing up every play Guillaume is making on the ice.

Latendresse is just being Sutter's scapegoat for the rest of team Canada. A bunch of players are taking stupid hooking penalties and they're not benched or anything. It's just becoming a joke now the Latendresse benching.

if Latendresse got the hook for wrong positioning on the ice, then Pyatt has to get the hook as well, he's blowing up every play Guillaume is making on the ice.

Latendresse is just being Sutter's scapegoat for the rest of team Canada. A bunch of players are taking stupid hooking penalties and they're not benched or anything. It's just becoming a joke now the Latendresse benching.


Agreed, really ok latendresse isnt the type of player who just comes on the ice and explodes.. he is a progressive type of player.. he isnt extremelly fast but he has all he need to succeed. anyway, even if he didnt play well in his 1-2 shifts per period.. when cant blame him for not getting his momentum.. when dont ask players like Andreychuk to blowout all the defense and score, when want him to use his shooting and physical side to get in the slot and shot. Latendresse is like that and a more.. but for god sakes, give him more time, is Sutter trying to prove something? give him a full period of trial and then OK, maybe he can bench him. but damn he had Norway and Swiss to test the players.. when will Latendresse have his chance? (more than 4 shifts per period) maybe the tourney is already over for him?? i dont like the way sutter is doing with him.

and by the way, Latendresse is playing his future. Sutter isn't, Latendresse deserves some ice time and it's not up to Sutter to decide if he's ready or not. If Latendresse takes 5 penalties and turns the puck over 10 times in a row then it's something else. But god damn, he's simply not that bad and needs some ice time. Latendresse will get you the gold not some Pyatt guy who doesn't know what to do on offense.

and by the way, Latendresse is playing his future. Sutter isn't, Latendresse deserves some ice time and it's not up to Sutter to decide if he's ready or not. If Latendresse takes 5 penalties and turns the puck over 10 times in a row then it's something else. But god damn, he's simply not that bad and needs some ice time. Latendresse will get you the gold not some Pyatt guy who doesn't know what to do on offense.

That's not the point, guys like Pyatt are just as important to the teams success as a guy like Latendresse...

My problem is I don't see why he's being benched in this game...for no reason, all of a sudden, he stopped seeing icetime :dunno:

That's not the point, guys like Pyatt are just as important to the teams success as a guy like Latendresse...

My problem is I don't see why he's being benched in this game...for no reason, all of a sudden, he stopped seeing icetime :dunno:

No way in hell tonight he should have been benched like he was. It's clear Sutter doesn't like him at all for whatever reason. I still can't believe he used the same unit for almost 4min in the third period on the PP.

I can understand if he's playing so awfull he's a liablity but so far, I haven't seen that at all. He gave a few good hits again tonight, he did it a the few time he could in the other 2 game. What does he need to do? kill someone?

Are you guys kidding me? He hasn't even seen the ice since the game started and that's not due to him not playing well...it's because of all the penalties and the fact that despite him being on the 1st line, Pouliot replaces him on the PP...

He's not seeing any icetime for anyone to formulate an opinion on his play tonight...

I really don't see what he did to get benched tonight, he's had 4 shifts...

Pouliot should be on the PP before Latendresse.

Just 3 words : Remember Brad Richards :yo:

What the heck did Latendresse do to deserve being benched so much tonight? Geezus. This guy is a scorer, Canada's having trouble scoring... But yeah, he'll totally get going by riding the pine.

:p:

What the heck did Latendresse do to deserve being benched so much tonight? Geezus. This guy is a scorer, Canada's having trouble scoring... But yeah, he'll totally get going by riding the pine.

:p:

what's making me laugh is McGuire going on the air and says, hey there can't be any tempo if there's so many penalties ... then, Latendresse has to stay on the bench for the mistake ... without an s ... he made against finland, hey how can he get some sort of tempo by watching the guys play

Pouliot should be on the PP before Latendresse.

Pouliot was given every opportunity to find his groove offensively by having a regular shift on the PP with offensive players like Cogliano, Boyd, Downie and Toews but he still hasn't managed to score a goal... and in fact, he really hasn't created much around the net. At one point you have to wonder, what is it going to take for Sutter to realize that this PP unit is not clicking? I'm thinking it's about time he does something and I'm very upset with some decisions he made tonight.

Some role players (i.e. Comeau, Pyatt, Chipchura, Downie and Boyd) will get the PK duties constantly and that's understanble since they have been doing a very solid job. The PP unit has not been productive though... wouldn't it be an idea to explore new combinaisons? A guy like Latendresse is effective when he can create some space for himself on the man-advantage in front of the net. Same for Blunden. O'Marra can score too. Actually, many guys on this team can score.

To which extent does Pouliot still deserve to be on the PP before those guys?

There also might be an attitude problem or work ethic with Latendresse, us fans on the sideline just dont know. Hes had every chance to earn his time, so theres a reason more than he played not so great in a game

There also might be an attitude problem or work ethic with Latendresse, us fans on the sideline just dont know. Hes had every chance to earn his time, so theres a reason more than he played not so great in a game
This isn't true. He made a couple of mistakes and was benched. He's playing horrible, I agree, but I do think that team Canada needs Latendresse's offensive aabilities to go far in this tournement. I think that Sutter has something against Latendresse and he became the Scapegoat.

The problem with Latendresse is that he's trying to be too fancy. He needs to run over people. With his size, he should be steamrolling the opposition and he's not doing that. He's skating around them and trying to make the fancy play. That's why Latendresse keeps getting benched.

Guys like Latendresse (and that includes Pouliot) need to follow the style of play that Michael Blunden is playing. Be physical, hit hard and go straight to the net. None of the fancy dipsy doodle crap that you're seeing from guys like Pouliot and Latendresse.

I'd even say that Latendresse should follow the lead that Steve Downie and Dustin Boyd have been setting for the rest of the team. If anything, those two and Kyle Chipchura have been our best forwards on the team.

Well, this team will lose and Suter will be gone next year. Good thing.

Pouliot and Latendresse BOTH need more ice time.

What a f***ing joke.

Well, this team will lose and Suter will be gone next year. Good thing.

Pouliot and Latendresse BOTH need more ice time.

What a f***ing joke.

Then maybe they should start to earn their ice time! I'm so sick of the constant whining of some of the posters here. Latendresse played himself into the 13th forward position with his lazy effort in the exhibition games. But you are right he should be rewarded for it when other players are working their butts off. :shakehead

Latendresse is not skating that well. Seems to to tiring easily. There are legit reasons his ice time is reduced.


Funny a few months ago it looked like Latendresse was the great prospect and Chipchura a bit of bust. Now it seems the other way around

Well, this team will lose and Suter will be gone next year. Good thing.

Pouliot and Latendresse BOTH need more ice time.

What a f***ing joke.

For whatever reason Sutter loves to play his pluggers a ton of minutes (Downie, Comeau, Boyd, O'Marra, Blunden) and sit his talented players (Pouliot, Cogliano).

Take of your Habs coloured glasses and realize Latendresse has been floating since the first pre-tournament game.

I don't think Latendresse has been that bad, given the ice time. Last night, he had some good shifts.

In terms of him not belonging here, he has been at times, the best forward in pre-tournement games and camp, so clearly he belongs. He is unique type of player though, so it seems he needs to play with certain types of players who afford him the style he is accustomed to. Understandable he isn't in the groove with limited ice time, although I would like to see him throwing the body around a bit more. I don't think it is anything to worry that much about - it's just a couple of games.

and by the way, Latendresse is playing his future. Sutter isn't, Latendresse deserves some ice time and it's not up to Sutter to decide if he's ready or not. If Latendresse takes 5 penalties and turns the puck over 10 times in a row then it's something else. But god damn, he's simply not that bad and needs some ice time. Latendresse will get you the gold not some Pyatt guy who doesn't know what to do on offense.
I said from the start that there is no way that Pyatt should be on this team. Ive seen him play and he is not that talented. Lots of give aways in the OHL league. Its funny how much influence Hartsburg had on Sutter by picking the forwards for team.

and by the way, Latendresse is playing his future. Sutter isn't, Latendresse deserves some ice time and it's not up to Sutter to decide if he's ready or not. If Latendresse takes 5 penalties and turns the puck over 10 times in a row then it's something else. But god damn, he's simply not that bad and needs some ice time. Latendresse will get you the gold not some Pyatt guy who doesn't know what to do on offense.
I said from the start that there is no way that Pyatt should be on this team. Ive seen him play and he is not that talented. Lots of give aways in the OHL league. Its funny how much influence Hartsburg had on Sutter by picking the forwards for team.

Latendresse deserves some ice time and it's not up to Sutter to decide if he's ready or not.
I can't decide :biglaugh: or :shakehead

Latendresse deserves some ice time and it's not up to Sutter to decide if he's ready or not
:thumbu:

Well, this team will lose and Suter will be gone next year. Good thing.

Pouliot and Latendresse BOTH need more ice time.

What a f***ing joke.

Oh please, the only reason the majority of people on here are raising a stink about Latendresse is because he's a French man. If any other forward that wasn't a French man were playing the way Latendresse has been playing, the majority would be all over them. Give it up already. Latendresse isn't playing because he stinks. I'm so tired of all the sugar coating with regards to Latendresse. He's playing like crap and he doesn't deserve the time. If he comes out against the U.S. and he's hitting hard and driving to the net, then give him boatloads of time.

Oh please, the only reason the majority of people on here are raising a stink about Latendresse is because he's a French man. If any other forward that wasn't a French man were playing the way Latendresse has been playing, the majority would be all over them. Give it up already. Latendresse isn't playing because he stinks. I'm so tired of all the sugar coating with regards to Latendresse. He's playing like crap and he doesn't deserve the time. If he comes out against the U.S. and he's hitting hard and driving to the net, then give him boatloads of time.

You see, that's the problem...people think we Habs fans are just being defensive about Latendresse...that's not the case

Game #1 I will admit he stunk, he was totally invisble and deserved the little icetime he received...

Game #2 He didn't get alot of icetime, but had a real good 2nd and 3rd period where he really used his weight and threw it around...

Game #3 He didn't play enough for anyone to say he stunk :dunno: How can you say a player stunk when he didn't even play? How can a player get into a groove when he sees the ice for 15 secs (2nd period vs. Norway) or if he's pulled off the ice everytime their's a penalty either for his team or against? At one point last night, Canada has a PP, they're doing nothing on it for about 1:50 secs...then Norway gets a delayed penalty, Latendresse finally jumps over the boards, then a Norwegian player touches the puck, whistle blows, and it's right back to the bench for Latendresse :dunno: He litterally went on the ice for 5 secs.

It's not about defending him, but I just find it weird for a guy to start a game on the first line, and then for no reason at all, get benched :dunno:

It's not about defending him, but I just find it weird for a guy to start a game on the first line, and then for no reason at all, get benched :dunno:

So let me see, why do you think he's benched?

a)Sutter doesnt have a clue about hockey
b) Sutter hates Hab prospects
c) Sutter hates French Canadians
c) Sutter doesnt think he's playing well enough & wants to give his team the best chance to perform.

And remember, if its 2 or 3, he could have savedd himself the aggravation & just not picked him.
And amazingly enough, its mostly those with the bias who are whining here. I wonder why that is.

Latendresse is not skating that well. Seems to to tiring easily. There are legit reasons his ice time is reduced.


Funny a few months ago it looked like Latendresse was the great prospect and Chipchura a bit of bust. Now it seems the other way around

How did Chipchura ever look like a bust? and how does 2 games all of a sudden make Latendresse a bust :dunno:

People make so much out of this tournament, alot of player haven't had the best tournament, and have gone on to have good or great careers in the NHL, and alot of player have had great WJC only to never even make the NHL...

Point is anyone who can make Team Canada at this level is pretty good and has a bright future...Maybe he is out of shape or isn't doing what he needs to do to get regular playing time, but I have alot of trouble seeing how anyone can say that after last night's game, there was no sample for which anyone to make an opinion IMO.

Like someone mentionned, Sutter has an affinity for a certain type of player, and that's evidence by the oodles of icetime guys like Downie, Boyd, Comeau are getting, and this despite undiscipline by 1 of those players...But spare me the Latendresse is now a bust talk because of 3 games, I remember last year when Andrei Kostitsyn tore it up vs. USA, alot of you here were telling Habs fans to calm down and that it was just 1 little game...

Either way, I hope Latendresse works his way into a regular shift, cause I think he could definately help Canada and become a key contributor

So let me see, why do you think he's benched?

a)Sutter doesnt have a clue about hockey
b) Sutter hates Hab prospects
c) Sutter hates French Canadians
c) Sutter doesnt think he's playing well enough & wants to give his team the best chance to perform.

And remember, if its 2 or 3, he could have savedd himself the aggravation & just not picked him.
And amazingly enough, its mostly those with the bias who are whining here. I wonder why that is.

Whatever it is, i'm sure Sutter have his reasons (although i'm no Sutter fan, and i said that last year) but my point is, Latendresse was 4 shifts into the game last night before he got burried on the bench, the last of the 4 shifts he was on the ice when Barker scored, so I have alot of trouble trying to figure out what exactly he did wrong last night to deserve so little icetime...that's my issue, i've said it, he was below average in the 1st 2 games, but in this game he didn't receive the chance to redeem himself lilke Pouliot or Cogliano did...

And about your conspiracy theories that you think I have, they make no sense, I don't think Sutter has a thing for habs or french players so I don't know why you would even propose that, IMO, Latendresse simply isn't Sutter's type of player, and it either up to Latendresse to adjust (like I would like him to) his game to what Sutter wants

:thumbu:

coming in to the tournament who were the offensive guns ?

certainly not Pyatt and some other 4th liners

these guys were Latendresse, Pouliot, Boyd and so on and they have to play

it's not Sutter's job to put the offensive production in the hands of Pyatt and company

Either way, I hope Latendresse works his way into a regular shift, cause I think he could definately help Canada and become a key contributor

Guillaume will have to play with someone who will be able to feed him the puck in the offensive zone in order to be more efficient. It hasn't happened yet as Comeau is definitely not a fit for Latendresse as we noticed so far. Comeau will use his speed and will work hard in all three zones, but he holds on to the puck alot and isn't known for his passing. Personally, I'd like seeing Gui with Cogliano and Chipchura and have Boyd, Comeau and Bolland together instead.

If you look at his season in the QJMHL, Latendresse has been doing well because Brassard is the perfect fit for him; a center who sees the ice well and can find the open man with his slick playmaking. Latendresse being an exceptional finisher (IMO at least), there's no wonder he's scoring alot in Drummondville. There aren't many players in the Brassard mold on this year's edition to the exception of Cogliano and Toews to a lesser extent...

Whatever it is, i'm sure Sutter have his reasons (although i'm no Sutter fan, and i said that last year) but my point is, Latendresse was 4 shifts into the game last night before he got burried on the bench, the last of the 4 shifts he was on the ice when Barker scored, so I have alot of trouble trying to figure out what exactly he did wrong last night to deserve so little icetime...that's my issue, i've said it, he was below average in the 1st 2 games, but in this game he didn't receive the chance to redeem himself lilke Pouliot or Cogliano did...

And about your conspiracy theories that you think I have, they make no sense, I don't think Sutter has a thing for habs or french players so I don't know why you would even propose that, IMO, Latendresse simply isn't Sutter's type of player, and it either up to Latendresse to adjust (like I would like him to) his game to what Sutter wants


Look if Latendresse isn't Sutter's type of player, Sutter wouldn't have picked him. Latendresse has strengths (his size and power) and weaknesses (his skating). However, if Latendresse doesn't make use of his strengths then his weaknesses become all the more evident. And right now his weaknesses are as plain as the sweater on his back. Latendresse deserves to sit until he starts to play to his strengths.

And I haven't heard anyone whine about Cogliano being benched. Habs fans are sometimes too much too stomach and I'm a Habs fan.

There also might be an attitude problem or work ethic with Latendresse, us fans on the sideline just dont know. Hes had every chance to earn his time, so theres a reason more than he played not so great in a game

He hasnt taken a penalty yet and he is bashing guys every shift.

Ok so his offensive game isnt where it should be, he should be rewarded for playing physical and CLEAN. Something the other players arent doing.

So let me see, why do you think he's benched?

a)Sutter doesnt have a clue about hockey
b) Sutter hates Hab prospects
c) Sutter hates French Canadians
c) Sutter doesnt think he's playing well enough & wants to give his team the best chance to perform.

And remember, if its 2 or 3, he could have savedd himself the aggravation & just not picked him.
And amazingly enough, its mostly those with the bias who are whining here. I wonder why that is.

Sutter hates skill.

He would bench Gretzky.

Look if Latendresse isn't Sutter's type of player, Sutter wouldn't have picked him. Latendresse has strengths (his size and power) and weaknesses (his skating). However, if Latendresse doesn't make use of his strengths then his weaknesses become all the more evident. And right now his weaknesses are as plain as the sweater on his back. Latendresse deserves to sit until he starts to play to his strengths.

And I haven't heard anyone whine about Cogliano being benched. Habs fans are sometimes too much too stomach and I'm a Habs fan.

Cogliano was benched for 1 period and he had his chance to get back. I said it in a previous post that it's completly stupid to ask this guy to hit. He probably never checked anybody of life now he's being asked to and he's doing it wrong all the time. Notice how many times he could only take the puck and skate away with it. Now he goes out and hit a guy for nor reason. Sutter got him to play in a different game than his own and it's ridiculus.

Latendresse plays well every shift he gets, there's no reason he shouldn't play more often. If you bench a guy for making a mistake then you have to reward him if he starts playing well. Latendresse certainly has and he's not rewarded for it. It's just a big joke IMO.

Guillaume will have to play with someone who will be able to feed him the puck in the offensive zone in order to be more efficient. It hasn't happened yet as Comeau is definitely not a fit for Latendresse as we noticed so far. Comeau will use his speed and will work hard in all three zones, but he holds on to the puck alot and isn't known for his passing. Personally, I'd like seeing Gui with Cogliano and Chipchura and have Boyd, Comeau and Bolland together instead.

If you look at his season in the QJMHL, Latendresse has been doing well because Brassard is the perfect fit for him; a center who sees the ice well and can find the open man with his slick playmaking. Latendresse being an exceptional finisher (IMO at least), there's no wonder he's scoring alot in Drummondville. There aren't many players in the Brassard mold on this year's edition to the exception of Cogliano and Toews to a lesser extent...


Letang made the team because of Bourdon
Russel made the team because of Barker

Brassard should have made the team because of Latendresse. The chemisty those 2 have is just unreal and unteachable. It seems as though the forwards arent really clicking.

Look if Latendresse isn't Sutter's type of player, Sutter wouldn't have picked him. Latendresse has strengths (his size and power) and weaknesses (his skating). However, if Latendresse doesn't make use of his strengths then his weaknesses become all the more evident. And right now his weaknesses are as plain as the sweater on his back. Latendresse deserves to sit until he starts to play to his strengths.

And I haven't heard anyone whine about Cogliano being benched. Habs fans are sometimes too much too stomach and I'm a Habs fan.

Cogliano deserved to be benched in game 2 as did Latendresse. People arent pissed off Latendresse was benched in games 1 and 2 but why in game 3? With all the dumb *** penalties the other guys were taking why was Latendresse the only one benched??

Like someone mentionned, Sutter has an affinity for a certain type of player, and that's evidence by the oodles of icetime guys like Downie, Boyd, Comeau are getting, and this despite undiscipline by 1 of those players...But spare me the Latendresse is now a bust talk because of 3 games, I remember last year when Andrei Kostitsyn tore it up vs. USA, alot of you here were telling Habs fans to calm down and that it was just 1 little game...

Ok, let's get a few things straight. Downie, Boyd, and Comeau have probably been our best forward players. I'm also going to include Chipchura in the bunch. As for those four not having the offensive touch that Latendresse has, that's laughable. As for undisciplined play, those guys have been the most disciplined of the bunch and always hold themselves accountable for their play. You see them out there driving the net, grinding in the corners, doing all the little things in order to win. Latendresse has been floating like a balloon out there. So yeah, until Latendresse decides to start doing the little things, he won't get a ton of ice time. I'd like to see the same thing happen to Benoit Pouliot as well. He's been floating as well. The two of them have been called to task for their lack of intensity and it's apparent in their play that they lack some sort of intensity. They have no urgency in their games. That's where the muckers come in. They always play with some sort of urgency.

Ok, let's get a few things straight. Downie, Boyd, and Comeau have probably been our best forward players. I'm also going to include Chipchura in the bunch. As for those four not having the offensive touch that Latendresse has, that's laughable. As for undisciplined play, those guys have been the most disciplined of the bunch and always hold themselves accountable for their play. You see them out there driving the net, grinding in the corners, doing all the little things in order to win. Latendresse has been floating like a balloon out there. So yeah, until Latendresse decides to start doing the little things, he won't get a ton of ice time. I'd like to see the same thing happen to Benoit Pouliot as well. He's been floating as well. The two of them have been called to task for their lack of intensity and it's apparent in their play that they lack some sort of intensity. They have no urgency in their games. That's where the muckers come in. They always play with some sort of urgency.

I agree partly. Those guys you mentioned first are into a rythm right now. They are playing 20 minutes a game if not more. Pouliot and Latendresse maybe get 5 shifts a game. Its the chicken and egg theory. Guys like Pouliot and Latendresse need a lot of icetime to get into a groove but when they are in a groove they cant be stoped. Sutter isnt willing to wait until they get it going. Can you fault him? Well not really considering we almost lost to the Swiss.

Ok, let's get a few things straight. Downie, Boyd, and Comeau have probably been our best forward players. I'm also going to include Chipchura in the bunch. As for those four not having the offensive touch that Latendresse has, that's laughable. As for undisciplined play, those guys have been the most disciplined of the bunch and always hold themselves accountable for their play. You see them out there driving the net, grinding in the corners, doing all the little things in order to win. Latendresse has been floating like a balloon out there. So yeah, until Latendresse decides to start doing the little things, he won't get a ton of ice time. I'd like to see the same thing happen to Benoit Pouliot as well. He's been floating as well. The two of them have been called to task for their lack of intensity and it's apparent in their play that they lack some sort of intensity. They have no urgency in their games. That's where the muckers come in. They always play with some sort of urgency.

Downie has taken a lot of penalties, I'll give a free pass since he's playing very well overall. But Latendresse has hit more than Pyatt and other players who keep on playing regularly. He also had a couple offensive scoring chances, so he certainly deserves a shot at playing regularly. It's simply not true to say he's been floating.

I agree partly. Those guys you mentioned first are into a rythm right now. They are playing 20 minutes a game if not more. Pouliot and Latendresse maybe get 5 shifts a game. Its the chicken and egg theory. Guys like Pouliot and Latendresse need a lot of icetime to get into a groove but when they are in a groove they cant be stoped. Sutter isnt willing to wait until they get it going. Can you fault him? Well not really considering we almost lost to the Swiss.

why was it close against the Swiss and why was canada unable to run up the score on Norway ?

your offensive guys are snobbed because they don't hit as much as the coach would like them to hit.

Look if Latendresse isn't Sutter's type of player, Sutter wouldn't have picked him. Latendresse has strengths (his size and power) and weaknesses (his skating). However, if Latendresse doesn't make use of his strengths then his weaknesses become all the more evident. And right now his weaknesses are as plain as the sweater on his back. Latendresse deserves to sit until he starts to play to his strengths.

And I haven't heard anyone whine about Cogliano being benched. Habs fans are sometimes too much too stomach and I'm a Habs fan.

:banghead: Jesus, how many times do I have to lay it out before people understand what i'm saying...I don't have a problem with the was Latendresse had been used in Games 1 and 2...he was subpar and deserved the little icetime he got...but apparently, he had a good enough 2nd and 3rd period in game #2 to have Sutter promote him to the 1st line for the start of game #3...

He played 4 shifts and then he was benched... <-------- that right there is my issue, he was on the ice for Canada's first goal, then didn't see the ice again until the 2nd period, where he only saw 2 shifts for 15 secs. If Latendresse got benched in the first two games it's because he deserved it, but in the 3rd period, he didn't get a chance to either redeem himself or play himself out of the lineup.

He simply wasn't given a chance in the 3rd game, when others (Pouliot, Cogliano) were given a chance to redeem himself...

Even the commentators on RDS were saying the same thing, they interviewed his dad at the end of the 1st period and he said the same thing...

Some of you can't get past the fact that i'm a Habs fan to actually realize what i'm saying...if Sutter feels like Latendresse isn't playing well enough to warrant icetime, fine, I have no problem with that, but give him the same chance you're giving to others to redeem themselves, that's all i'm saying.

Sutter hates skill.


I wouldn't go that far esp. since that wouldn't make sense... In my view, Talent + Hard Work = Winning.

What I would say is that Sutter loves hard work so much that he sees it as being end all and be all to all things...therein lies

Problem #1. Sutter thinks that hard work can over come all things including talent. The problem is that at certain level, it cannot.

Solution. Sutter needs to realize no matter how long you chop an oak tree with a butter knife, the tree just ain't gonna fall...at least not in time for the gold medal game.


Problem #2. Sutter is no Scotty Bowman. Scotty has this inate ability to identify the strength of players and utilize them for that particular purpose so that they are successful. See Todd Gill, Steve Duschesne, Larry Murphy, etc, etc. Guys that were given up for dead whose careers were resurrected because the coach knew how to use them. Sutter does not know how to do this.

Solution. Sutter needs to see the big picture. He needs to use the shovel for digging and axe for chopping. He's asking an axe to cut grass...I'm sure that it can be done but why not just use the lawn mower that's just sitting in the shed?

Problem #3. As talented as they are, Gui and Pouliot to a lesser degree are not working that hard. They are not doing the little things that I would tell them to do as a coach...which means that they are certainly not doing the things that Sutter is telling them to do. And I suspect that there are some attitude thrown in there too although on TV they say all the right things.

Solution. Gui and Benoit have to submit to Sutter for their own good (in the long run - ie. making it to NHL - once again see Anthony Stewart) as well as the good of the team and start doing the things that are asked of them. Don't get into a battle of wills or pride with Sutter because it's not gonna do either of these guys any good. If they feel that they are being ostracized (sp?) for being French ( and I'm not saying they are), so be it! Suck it up and get going... millions of people everywhere work under the same or MUCH, MUCH worse kind of injustice and racism all over the world...including in Canada. They make it work, so you also can make it work!


Problem #4. I'm afraid that now it's gotten to be more of a control issue for Sutter rather than just work ethic issue for Latendress and Pouliot. Gui doesn't do what is asked of him so Sutter cuts his ice time to show him who's the boss.

Solution. Kiss and make up for your own idividual good and also for the good of the team. Wake up smell the coffee! You guys are playing US tomorrow!!!

Many players worked very hard to make this team so the ones that did make it should be playing their best and if they are not then they have no one to blame but themselves. Sutter knows that he can beat teams like Norway and Switzerland without his best offensive players so if they aren't performing well these games were perfect for getting his point across to them.

Character shall be revealed on Saturday.

Ok, let's get a few things straight. Downie, Boyd, and Comeau have probably been our best forward players. I'm also going to include Chipchura in the bunch. As for those four not having the offensive touch that Latendresse has, that's laughable. As for undisciplined play, those guys have been the most disciplined of the bunch and always hold themselves accountable for their play. You see them out there driving the net, grinding in the corners, doing all the little things in order to win. Latendresse has been floating like a balloon out there. So yeah, until Latendresse decides to start doing the little things, he won't get a ton of ice time. I'd like to see the same thing happen to Benoit Pouliot as well. He's been floating as well. The two of them have been called to task for their lack of intensity and it's apparent in their play that they lack some sort of intensity. They have no urgency in their games. That's where the muckers come in. They always play with some sort of urgency.

I agree they have been our best forwards, even though Downie was very undisciplined last night, but they also see a ton of icetime, sometimes staying a full 2 minutes on the PP...I don't even think Chipchura has played enough if you're considering how well he's played...

As for Pouliot and Latendresse, it's hard for me to say they're floating because they're never on the ice...some players need more than 2 shifts a period to get into a groove, we all know this...I have serious concerns with the way Sutter is handing out his icetime, but I digress, he knows what he's doing and I obviously don't see the practice habits of every player...While it's up to guys like Latendresse, Pouliot and Cogliano to show Sutter they deserve more icetime, it's also up to Sutter get the most out of them, and I just don't feel like he's done this...those 3 players were probably Canada's best during pre-tournament games, so it's not like they can't do it

I wouldn't go that far esp. since that wouldn't make sense... In my view, Talent + Hard Work = Winning.

What I would say is that Sutter loves hard work so much that he sees it as being end all and be all to all things...therein lies

Problem #1. Sutter thinks that hard work can over come all things including talent. The problem is that at certain level, it cannot.

Solution. Sutter needs to realize no matter how long you chop an oak tree with a butter knife, the tree just ain't gonna fall...at least not in time for the gold medal game.


Problem #2. Sutter is no Scotty Bowman. Scotty has this inate ability to identify the strength of players and utilize them for that particular purpose so that they are successful. See Todd Gill, Steve Duschesne, Larry Murphy, etc, etc. Guys that were given up for dead whose careers were resurrected because the coach knew how to use them. Sutter does not know how to do this.

Solution. Sutter needs to see the big picture. He needs to use the shovel for digging and axe for chopping. He's asking an axe to cut grass...ain't gonna happen!


Problem #3. As talented as they are, Gui and Pouliot to a lesser degree are not working that hard. They are not doing the little things that I would tell them to do as a coach...which means that they are certainly not doing the things that Sutter is telling them to do. And I suspect that there are some attitude thrown in there too although on TV they say all the right things.

Solution. Gui and Benoit have to submit to Sutter for their own good (in the long run - ie. making it to NHL - once again see Anthony Stewart) as well as the good of the team and start doing the things that are asked of them. Don't get into a battle of wills or pride with Sutter because it's not gonna do either of these guys any good. If they feel that they are being ostracized (sp?) for being French ( and I'm not saying they are), so be it! Suck it up and get going... millions of people everywhere work under the same or MUCH, MUCH worse kind of injustice and racism all over the world...including in Canada. They make it work, so you also can make it work!


Problem #4. I'm afraid that now it's gotten to be more of a control issue for Sutter rather than just work ethic issue for Latendress and Pouliot. Gui doesn't do what is asked of him so Sutter cuts his ice time to show him who's the boss.

Solution. Kiss and make up for your own idividual good and also for the good of the team. Wake up smell the coffee! You guys are playing US tomorrow!!!

Excellent post...I agree 100%

Letang made the team because of Bourdon
Russel made the team because of Barker

Brassard should have made the team because of Latendresse. The chemisty those 2 have is just unreal and unteachable. It seems as though the forwards arent really clicking.
Do your research. Russell is not on Team Canada because of Barker. He's on Team Canada because he deserves to be there. He has been one of the best defencemen in the Dub this year, and many WHL observers believe he has outplayed Barker.

The bottom line is Canada needs more from Pouliot, Latendresse and Cogliano. They have the potential to be the team's top three scorers. Pouliot could be this year's Jeff Carter. He threw a great hit late in the second period yesterday that seemed to spark Canada. But the hands, the shot, the combination of skill and size that we've come to expect from him? Not yet. Cogliano has been the biggest culprit of playing to the level of his opponent. He's one of the fastest skaters in the tournament, especially with the puck on his stick. He was unstoppable vs. the Finns. But the last two games, he hasn't shown the same pinache with the puck. He also has a Mike Johnson-esque aversion to shooting the puck. Latendresse has been a colossal disappointment. I went to yesterday's game, and he was invisible. He needs to regain the form he had in Montreal's camp and the 2004 Junior World Cup, when he was the best player in the tournament. Even in the Q, he hasn't been posting the numbers many expected of him. I wouldn't rate Latendresse as a completely lost cause yet, he has too much talent in front of the net to do that. But he needs to do more. (And when you look at Team Canada last year, everyone bought into Sutter's teachings. Even Perry was playing great two-way hockey).

I think what it comes down to is that Lats only has eyes for the NHL and playing in junior this year has been a disappointment for him. He'd have been better off having a quiet NHL camp and not being sucked into the spectacle that is the Montreal media. Being one of the last cuts and being so much as told that the only reason to go back to Jr is so a different player won't be lost to waivers would be a tough pill to swallow. We must remember that an 18 year old is still a child in many instances, and Gui probably isn't as mature than others to handle that kind of situation.

Do your research. Russell is not on Team Canada because of Barker. He's on Team Canada because he deserves to be there. He has been one of the best defencemen in the Dub this year, and many WHL observers believe he has outplayed Barker.

The bottom line is Canada needs more from Pouliot, Latendresse and Cogliano. They have the potential to be the team's top three scorers. Pouliot could be this year's Jeff Carter. He threw a great hit late in the second period yesterday that seemed to spark Canada. But the hands, the shot, the combination of skill and size that we've come to expect from him? Not yet. Cogliano has been the biggest culprit of playing to the level of his opponent. He's one of the fastest skaters in the tournament, especially with the puck on his stick. He was unstoppable vs. the Finns. But the last two games, he hasn't shown the same pinache with the puck. He also has a Mike Johnson-esque aversion to shooting the puck. Latendresse has been a colossal disappointment. I went to yesterday's game, and he was invisible. He needs to regain the form he had in Montreal's camp and the 2004 Junior World Cup, when he was the best player in the tournament. Even in the Q, he hasn't been posting the numbers many expected of him. I wouldn't rate Latendresse as a completely lost cause yet, he has too much talent in front of the net to do that. But he needs to do more. (And when you look at Team Canada last year, everyone bought into Sutter's teachings. Even Perry was playing great two-way hockey).


Russell has looked horrible this far. Barely got ice in the 3rd and was taken off the top PP. Plus it was mentioned how his chemistry with Barker played a role on his making the team.

The problem with Latendresse is that he's trying to be too fancy. He needs to run over people. With his size, he should be steamrolling the opposition and he's not doing that. He's skating around them and trying to make the fancy play. That's why Latendresse keeps getting benched.

Guys like Latendresse (and that includes Pouliot) need to follow the style of play that Michael Blunden is playing. Be physical, hit hard and go straight to the net. None of the fancy dipsy doodle crap that you're seeing from guys like Pouliot and Latendresse.

I'd even say that Latendresse should follow the lead that Steve Downie and Dustin Boyd have been setting for the rest of the team. If anything, those two and Kyle Chipchura have been our best forwards on the team.

Exactly. He's playing around traffic rather than through it. Small example last night was when he sprung Cogliano in the neutral zone for a nice rush. Rather than being right there for the fat rebound, he was boxed out, off to the side, by the undersized Norwegian defenceman. With his size, he should have been right on top of the goalie.

He just seems to be trying to create space by stickhandling rather than by using his size. His success in training camp was mostly about banging bodies and being opportunistic with loose pucks created by his physical play. He should be playing like Bertram and O'Marra rather than trying to be slick like Toews and Cogliano.

This is pretty easy to answer.

Guillaume Latendresse is being benched because he comes from Sainte-Catherine, Quebec.

If his name was Steve Smith, from Red Deer, Alberta, he would get his fair chance. He doesn't even get the chance to play bad, Sutter just benches him, using him as an exemple for all of the team who has been playing pretty bad.

To all those who drink the TSN-Pierre McGwire Kool-Aid, Sutter is NOT that good of a coach. If he isn't in the NHL, it's for a good reason: Yes, his "no-BS" way may work with 18-year-old kids, but it would never work in the pro ranks. Also, his type of goon hockey is great for a short tourney playing against mostly inferior opponents that are not used to such physical play, but it would never fly elsewhere.

Oh please, the only reason the majority of people on here are raising a stink about Latendresse is because he's a French man. If any other forward that wasn't a French man were playing the way Latendresse has been playing, the majority would be all over them. Give it up already. Latendresse isn't playing because he stinks. I'm so tired of all the sugar coating with regards to Latendresse. He's playing like crap and he doesn't deserve the time. If he comes out against the U.S. and he's hitting hard and driving to the net, then give him boatloads of time.

Pouliot doesn't speak a word of french and he also needs more ice time. Stop the racist paranoia.

I might be blind, but I saw Latendresse on the ice for 4 small shifts. And I saw at least 3 solid body checks. He was on the ice on Barker's goal and then, got benched. Really, Sutter should explain why he's benching him. He might have a good reason, and we'd shut our dirty mouths, but as long as I'm concerned, I can't see why he doesn't have at least a chance.

I think, the strategy is to wind him up like a top (the type that spins fast) and then let him go in the important game. See if the pent up energy and desire will make the difference that team Canada will need to beat the USA team.

Pouliot doesn't speak a word of french and he also needs more ice time. Stop the racist paranoia.

I might be blind, but I saw Latendresse on the ice for 4 small shifts. And I saw at least 3 solid body checks. He was on the ice on Barker's goal and then, got benched. Really, Sutter should explain why he's benching him. He might have a good reason, and we'd shut our dirty mouths, but as long as I'm concerned, I can't see why he doesn't have at least a chance.

I saw the exact same thing...

Latendresse deserves some ice time and it's not up to Sutter to decide if he's ready or not. .

Actually, that is exactly Sutter's job as head coach.

This is pretty easy to answer.

Guillaume Latendresse is being benched because he comes from Sainte-Catherine, Quebec.

If his name was Steve Smith, from Red Deer, Alberta, he would get his fair chance. He doesn't even get the chance to play bad, Sutter just benches him, using him as an exemple for all of the team who has been playing pretty bad.

To all those who drink the TSN-Pierre McGwire Kool-Aid, Sutter is NOT that good of a coach. If he isn't in the NHL, it's for a good reason: Yes, his "no-BS" way may work with 18-year-old kids, but it would never work in the pro ranks. Also, his type of goon hockey is great for a short tourney playing against mostly inferior opponents that are not used to such physical play, but it would never fly elsewhere.

I don't get into all the language issues here...it's not fair to make accusations like that without any kind of solid proof...however, I do agree with you second paragraph...someone noted that they wen to the game last night and that Latendresses was floating, well like you said, he doesn't even get the chance to play bad, so how anyone can say that I find weird...The whole team has underperformed, why only Latendresse gets the shaft is also weird IMO...

As for Sutter the coach, I agree, I don't think he's as good a coach as the TSN tools (not Bob MacKenzie) make him out to be, he's respected by his players that play for him, which goes a long way...but he's also stubborn in his ways and doesn't think proactively IMO...but then again, who am I to say such things...the results of this tournament will prove how good he is

This is pretty easy to answer.

Guillaume Latendresse is being benched because he comes from Sainte-Catherine, Quebec.

If his name was Steve Smith, from Red Deer, Alberta, he would get his fair chance. He doesn't even get the chance to play bad, Sutter just benches him, using him as an exemple for all of the team who has been playing pretty bad.

To all those who drink the TSN-Pierre McGwire Kool-Aid, Sutter is NOT that good of a coach. If he isn't in the NHL, it's for a good reason: Yes, his "no-BS" way may work with 18-year-old kids, but it would never work in the pro ranks. Also, his type of goon hockey is great for a short tourney playing against mostly inferior opponents that are not used to such physical play, but it would never fly elsewhere.

OK, in the West we can bench French hockey players, in the East you can elect French prime ministers.

Fair?

Pouliot doesn't speak a word of french and he also needs more ice time. Stop the racist paranoia.
Benoit Pouliot is French.

Pouliot doesn't speak a word of french and he also needs more ice time. Stop the racist paranoia.

I might be blind, but I saw Latendresse on the ice for 4 small shifts. And I saw at least 3 solid body checks. He was on the ice on Barker's goal and then, got benched. Really, Sutter should explain why he's benching him. He might have a good reason, and we'd shut our dirty mouths, but as long as I'm concerned, I can't see why he doesn't have at least a chance.

Pouliot is french.

This is pretty easy to answer.

Guillaume Latendresse is being benched because he comes from Sainte-Catherine, Quebec.

If his name was Steve Smith, from Red Deer, Alberta, he would get his fair chance. He doesn't even get the chance to play bad, Sutter just benches him, using him as an exemple for all of the team who has been playing pretty bad.

To all those who drink the TSN-Pierre McGwire Kool-Aid, Sutter is NOT that good of a coach. If he isn't in the NHL, it's for a good reason: Yes, his "no-BS" way may work with 18-year-old kids, but it would never work in the pro ranks. Also, his type of goon hockey is great for a short tourney playing against mostly inferior opponents that are not used to such physical play, but it would never fly elsewhere.
When a player isn't getting ice time bring out the race card. It's always a good excuse but it isn't the real reason. I am a big fan of Latendresses'. I wanted the Canucks to draft him. However, he is playing horrible right now and he Canada's worst forward. Name me one forward that is better than Latendresse. There isn't a worse forward than Latendresse right now.

OK, in the West we can bench French hockey players, in the East you can elect French prime ministers.

Fair?

That made me laugh :)

My bad on Pouliot not being french. Just a little "benoit pouliot speaks french" on google would have made it.

When a player isn't getting ice time bring out the race card. It's always a good excuse but it isn't the real reason. I am a big fan of Latendresses'. I wanted the Canucks to draft him. However, he is playing horrible right now and he Canada's worst forward. Name me one forward that is better than Latendresse. There isn't a worse forward than Latendresse right now.

Why is he that terrible? How can he be that terrible when he's not playing!?

I thought he was doing well yesterday before he got benched.

Why is he that terrible? How can he be that terrible when he's not playing!?

I thought he was doing well yesterday before he got benched.
He is giving the puck away way too much. He is supposed to be one of their best players but he's not bringing it. He is not creating the offence like he should.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Latendresse came into camp overweight and out of shape. Someone said it best when they stated that he played himself into the 13th F role with his lazy play in exhibition.. he had tons of chances to prove his worth out there like the others did but he didn't even try, he just coasted along. A good showing for him against the USA could turn things around for him but if he's out there just to coast then I'm behind Sutter on this one.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Latendresse came into camp overweight and out of shape.

You might be right. Totally forgot about that one.

Sutter :dunno:

The only reason Benoit Pouliot deserves more icetime than Guillaume Latendresse is his absolutely WONDERFUL haircut!

This is pretty easy to answer.

Guillaume Latendresse is being benched because he comes from Sainte-Catherine, Quebec.

If his name was Steve Smith, from Red Deer, Alberta, he would get his fair chance. He doesn't even get the chance to play bad, Sutter just benches him, using him as an exemple for all of the team who has been playing pretty bad.

To all those who drink the TSN-Pierre McGwire Kool-Aid, Sutter is NOT that good of a coach. If he isn't in the NHL, it's for a good reason: Yes, his "no-BS" way may work with 18-year-old kids, but it would never work in the pro ranks. Also, his type of goon hockey is great for a short tourney playing against mostly inferior opponents that are not used to such physical play, but it would never fly elsewhere.

Is this a joke?

Latendresse and Pouliot are not on the PK so it seem like thier ice time is less. Latendresse in the pre-tourney games was Canada's worst forward he didn't deserve more ice time. Did he not get a little PP time in last nights game. Pouliot was getting a lot of ice time 5 on 5 and PP, but he took two stupid penitalies at the end of the game against the Swiss, he can not do that vs the better teams.

Latendresse and Pouliot are not on the PK so it seem like thier ice time is less. Latendresse in the pre-tourney games was Canada's worst forward he didn't deserve more ice time. Did he not get a little PP time in last nights game. Pouliot was getting a lot of ice time 5 on 5 and PP, but he took two stupid penitalies at the end of the game against the Swiss, he can not do that vs the better teams.

The only time he was on the PP, team Canada scored! Yes he was crappy in pre-tournament games, but since the tournament has started he didn't have any chance to earn more ice-time and that's a complete joke! Our offense sucks right now and Gui is an offensive player, so let him play ****** it!

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that Latendresse came into camp overweight and out of shape. Someone said it best when they stated that he played himself into the 13th F role with his lazy play in exhibition.. he had tons of chances to prove his worth out there like the others did but he didn't even try, he just coasted along. A good showing for him against the USA could turn things around for him but if he's out there just to coast then I'm behind Sutter on this one.


If he came in to camp overweight, out of shape and performed poorly then why did he make the team? Why not go with one of the other forwards who had a bad camp but was ready to play?

If Sutter thinks that headhunting and physical intimidation will win him games against the US, Czechs and Russia with Euro refs calling the games - he is either misguided, stubborn or just plain dumb. That stuff worked in the exhibition games - but it wont in the tournament. The way the tourney games are being called puts a premium on skill - something that is not exactly overabundant on this Team Canada.

A blind man could also see how well Cogliano and Pouliot played together in the small number of shifts they had in the 2nd period - Benoit needs a setup man - not a 17 year old kid in his first WJC. Would it be so damn difficult to put the Cogliano, Pouliot and Latendresse line that worked so well last summer back together? Why he has split up his best offensive players and then done his best to blow their confidence by benching them regularly is baffling. The grinders have made mistakes as well but they are always right back out there the next shift.

Sutter loves his grinders - hell he would try make Gretzky play that way - which is why the guy should never coach the WJC team again.

If Sutter thinks that headhunting and physical intimidation will win him games against the US, Czechs and Russia with Euro refs calling the games - he is either misguided, stubborn or just plain dumb. That stuff worked in the exhibition games - but it wont in the tournament. The way the tourney games are being called puts a premium on skill - something that is not exactly overabundant on this Team Canada.

A blind man could also see how well Cogliano and Pouliot played together in the small number of shifts they had in the 2nd period - Benoit needs a setup man - not a 17 year old kid in his first WJC. Would it be so damn difficult to put the Cogliano, Pouliot and Latendresse line that worked so well last summer back together? Why he has split up his best offensive players and then done his best to blow their confidence by benching them regularly is baffling. The grinders have made mistakes as well but they are always right back out there the next shift.
Sutter loves his grinders - hell he would try make Gretzky play that way - which is why the guy should never coach the WJC team again.

Next shift? Try double shift and whole 2 minute PP's...

Pouliot gets the shaft because of a double minor penalty...Sutter doesn't like his indiscipline

Downie takes at least 4 penalties last game, 2 of which were on the PP and weren't necessary, he didn't get any kind of reprimand...hell, Sutter increased his icetime...

Next shift? Try double shift and whole 2 minute PP's...

Pouliot gets the shaft because of a double minor penalty...Sutter doesn't like his indiscipline

Downie takes at least 4 penalties last game, 2 of which were on the PP and weren't necessary, he didn't get any kind of reprimand...hell, Sutter increased his icetime...
Downie has been one of Canada's best forward's so Sutter will ease up on him a bit. Moreover, at least two of Downie's pentalies shouldn't have been called. On the other hand, Pouliot deserved both of his pentalies and it was at a bad time because the Swiss could have tied it up.

If he came in to camp overweight, out of shape and performed poorly then why did he make the team? Why not go with one of the other forwards who had a bad camp but was ready to play?

I couldn't tell you why they selected him, but he did report overweight and slightly out of shape.. maybe Sutter felt that an out of shape Latendresse was still better than anything else? I wasn't on the selection commitee so I can't tell you the exact reasoning.

Pouliot doesn't speak a word of french and he also needs more ice time. Stop the racist paranoia.

I might be blind, but I saw Latendresse on the ice for 4 small shifts. And I saw at least 3 solid body checks. He was on the ice on Barker's goal and then, got benched. Really, Sutter should explain why he's benching him. He might have a good reason, and we'd shut our dirty mouths, but as long as I'm concerned, I can't see why he doesn't have at least a chance.

Pouliot is a franco, don't ever doubt it. He had one of the best quotes from the draft en français.

Pouliot is Luc Robitaille, attitude-wise. He's not the type of player you can bully around, because he'll just go into his shell. Let him loose on the ice and he can work some magic. Just like Luc was in Hull and in LA. He's a "bon vivant". He likes to live. Luc was and IS still like that. Don't expect these guys to carry the load. It's not in them. They will provide with solid support, though. In Hull, it was Guy Rouleau. In LA, it was Wayne and some others. When I heard Pouliot before the draft, Luc's name came to me like a flash.

Latendresse is Claude Lemieux all over again. Claude was the same hockey player as a junior. Not the fastest, but had a great hockey sense in front of the net. PLus, he could hit like a train. But he would disappear for numerous games in the regular season, before doing a hand job on all the opponents during the playoffs. Gui is like him. Gui is not into the raw-raw type of coaches. Sutter probably got under his skin and vice-versa (heard that Gui arrived at camp overweight).

There's a reason why Guillaume is not playing more, and it's not because he's been awful. Sure, he hasn't been himself. But there have been a handful of players that have responded to Sutter's system. Not more. And those who have responded are mostly pluckers. Players who won't make you win against the US, and certainly not against the Ruskies. You don't win Olympic Gold with Drapers. You win with Lemieux, and Sakics.

This team was put together on Sutter's strenghts: work ethics, aggressiveness, etc. The problem is: by the "new" rules put in place for this tourney (AKA René Fassel and the "new" NHL), this makeup is invalid. Canada would have needed more speed and agility, and less grit. And a new coach. This canadian team reminds me a lot of the 1998 Nagano team.

By the way, can anybody tell me why Clement Jodoin is on the team? You cannot simply win anything with this guy on the bench. Benoît Groulx should have been there instead.

I couldn't tell you why they selected him, but he did report overweight and slightly out of shape.. maybe Sutter felt that an out of shape Latendresse was still better than anything else? I wasn't on the selection commitee so I can't tell you the exact reasoning.


Because Sutter saw him play during the summer camp, where he was clearly the best player there. He DOMINATED like a man with boys. He dominated the russian challenge like no other player did. Again, he looked like a man with boys.

Something is wrong here. I wish I was a mouse...

Downie has been one of Canada's best forward's so Sutter will ease up on him a bit. Moreover, at least two of Downie's pentalies shouldn't have been called. On the other hand, Pouliot deserved both of his pentalies and it was at a bad time because the Swiss could have tied it up.


Because Downie IS Sutter. He's playing the same way he was.

If Sutter thinks that headhunting and physical intimidation will win him games against the US, Czechs and Russia with Euro refs calling the games - he is either misguided, stubborn or just plain dumb. That stuff worked in the exhibition games - but it wont in the tournament. The way the tourney games are being called puts a premium on skill - something that is not exactly overabundant on this Team Canada.

A blind man could also see how well Cogliano and Pouliot played together in the small number of shifts they had in the 2nd period - Benoit needs a setup man - not a 17 year old kid in his first WJC. Would it be so damn difficult to put the Cogliano, Pouliot and Latendresse line that worked so well last summer back together? Why he has split up his best offensive players and then done his best to blow their confidence by benching them regularly is baffling. The grinders have made mistakes as well but they are always right back out there the next shift.

Sutter loves his grinders - hell he would try make Gretzky play that way - which is why the guy should never coach the WJC team again.


Exactly.

He is giving the puck away way too much. He is supposed to be one of their best players but he's not bringing it. He is not creating the offence like he should.


Because Guillaume doesn't create offence. He puts the puck in. The creater has to put the puck on his stick. The guy is not the type to carry the puck through the neutral zone and do all the fancy stuff. Guillaume works best when he has space to work with, meaning he needs a center that can create that for him. He's probably got the best hands on the club, not even close. This club couldn't score with a cheap hooker and it's leaving its best hands on the bench. Go figure.

Right now, all I see is...well, Guillaume riding the pine. While some others (by the way, can anybody tell Cam Barker that he can PASS the freaking puck instead of hitting the shins of every player in front of him????) are playing hard but are making humongous mistakes.

The more I see of this tourney, the more I believe Bob Gainey should have kept the kid in Montreal. He would have learned much more.

The more I see of this tourney, the more I believe Bob Gainey should have kept the kid in Montreal. He would have learned much more.

I don't disagree with that. He could have learned more in the NHL this season (from the pine as rookies don't get to play much in Montreal it seems) :shakehead . I also hope that unless things change this tourney ice-time wise for Gui that the Habs (how did they not notice that he was out of shape BTW)would recommend he stay home next time. I heard the Sharks have told Setoguchi (probably to make him feel better about being cut)that his place is with Saskatoon, his future is in San Jose and screw the WJC team.

this guy is fat and out of shape, he came to camp near 240lbs, pretty fat for a 19 year old... he needs to play around the 215-220 range to be solid, or even less.

this guy is fat and out of shape, he came to camp near 240lbs, pretty fat for a 19 year old... he needs to play around the 215-220 range to be solid, or even less.

Latendresse is 18. He gained alot of weight after he was a last minute cut off the habs roster.

Anyways, anybody who thinks that Sutter hates french canadian is off their rocker. Last year, it could be argued that Bergeron was the most important player on the team and his ice time reflected that.

Rather than saying Sutter hates french people, I'd say he has more of a favoritism towards tough, gritty WHLers. Thats sort of understandable. There's a comfort in being familiar with certain players and to know what you are getting.

Latendresse has laid out some big hits and I think he is actually trying. However, some of his decisions with the puck have been questionable. His passes are not crisp, he dumps the puck blindly into the corners at wrong times. Its as if Latendresse is not on the same page as his linemates.

My advice to latendresse is to continue to lay out big hits and just go to the net and stay there. Sutter would appreciate that. The fancy stuff latendresse is trying is getting him in trouble and it is not working either.

it's not Sutter's job to put the offensive production in the hands of Pyatt and company

Really, what is his job then? To play players that HFboards have deemed worthy of ice time? Sutter is trying to win, and right now he sees Lats as not playing up to his potential.

If Lats/Poul etc are as good as you maintain (and I think they are), they will step it up and earn their ice time. With great expectations comes bitter dissapointment, and Lats/Poul need to step their games up to their ability-- then, and only then should they be given ice time. It doesn't even matter if Lats is better then 3rd/4th liners if he's playing at 70%, if he's not putting everything he has into the game, it's not acceptable.

This, IMO is the message that Sutter is trying to impart. It's not a knock on the skilled players, it's simply a message that if you don't leave everything you have out on the ice, then you're not welcome on the team. After watching the Leafs for example all year, I wish the same could be said for our coaching staff.

IMO Poul/Lats will step it up and come back hungry to show why they are deserving. Of course, many of you will claim it was Sutters stupidity not to play them earlier, but when players of their ilk REALLY come to play, and they will-- I will be happy that Sutter played a key role in getting them up to that extra level.

this guy is fat and out of shape, he came to camp near 240lbs, pretty fat for a 19 year old... he needs to play around the 215-220 range to be solid, or even less.
225, actually.

Sutter is a poor coach and I don't have much faith in Canada being able to win this year under him. His overbearing, theory X management style is more fitting for an industrial age factory.

I watched Latendresse play in the CHL/Russia series last month and he was in a league of his own; easily the standout player for both sides.

Pouliot doesn't speak a word of french and he also needs more ice time. Stop the racist paranoia.

I might be blind, but I saw Latendresse on the ice for 4 small shifts. And I saw at least 3 solid body checks. He was on the ice on Barker's goal and then, got benched. Really, Sutter should explain why he's benching him. He might have a good reason, and we'd shut our dirty mouths, but as long as I'm concerned, I can't see why he doesn't have at least a chance.

Pouliots first language is french what are you talking about. He has the most talent on this team by far, he has to start really using it.

Sutter is a poor coach and I don't have much faith in Canada being able to win this year under him. His overbearing, theory X management style is more fitting for an industrial age factory.

I watched Latendresse play in the CHL/Russia series last month and he was in a league of his own; easily the standout player for both sides.
Yeah , Sutter is a joke & has no idea how to win.
What Sutter brother is it who has been to the Memorial Cup on a few occasions, won it, & also won the WJC?

Sutter is an idiot. I never liked him personally. He won the WJC last year but I PeeWee coach could have won with roster Team Canada had. His style is not working. The PP isn't great because they don't have enough skill. Can't score enough period. How would McGath from Kitchener and Wolski from Brampton look on this team?? It amazes me how you can put up points in the NHL and can't make the World junior team. ????

Sutter is a poor coach and I don't have much faith in Canada being able to win this year under him. His overbearing, theory X management style is more fitting for an industrial age factory.

I watched Latendresse play in the CHL/Russia series last month and he was in a league of his own; easily the standout player for both sides.

Latendresse has been terrible..........the player has to earn his ice time this guy has not earned it. Sutter is a great Coach to say he is terrible says allot about you.

Sutter is an idiot. I never liked him personally. He won the WJC last year but I PeeWee coach could have won with roster Team Canada had. His style is not working. The PP isn't great because they don't have enough skill. Can't score enough period. How would McGath from Kitchener and Wolski from Brampton look on this team?? It amazes me how you can put up points in the NHL and can't make the World junior team. ????

Oh please, another stupid post. Sutter is a great Coach that lead the team to a WJC. He has also lead his WHL team to a Memorial cup. The guy knows his stuff, the Canadian team has won all its games which is not to bad.

Sutter is an idiot. I never liked him personally. He won the WJC last year but I PeeWee coach could have won with roster Team Canada had. His style is not working. The PP isn't great because they don't have enough skill. Can't score enough period. How would McGath from Kitchener and Wolski from Brampton look on this team?? It amazes me how you can put up points in the NHL and can't make the World junior team. ????
Geez, those coaches from the OHL must be brutal if they cant outcoach Sutter in the Memorial Cup every time.

Sutter is an idiot. I never liked him personally. He won the WJC last year but I PeeWee coach could have won with roster Team Canada had. His style is not working. The PP isn't great because they don't have enough skill. Can't score enough period. How would McGath from Kitchener and Wolski from Brampton look on this team?? It amazes me how you can put up points in the NHL and can't make the World junior team. ????


Sutter is an idiot? And if his team tied or lost to the Swiss, that would make him what?

His style is not working? This will have to be explained to me. How is it not working? If you play three games and win all three and get 6 points, is there another style of coaching that will get you more points for three wins. Maybe another coach would garner 8, 9 points for those THREE wins? Is this what you're trying to say in your inimitable fashion?

Sutter is an idiot. I never liked him personally. He won the WJC last year but I PeeWee coach could have won with roster Team Canada had. His style is not working. The PP isn't great because they don't have enough skill. Can't score enough period. How would McGath from Kitchener and Wolski from Brampton look on this team?? It amazes me how you can put up points in the NHL and can't make the World junior team. ????

Agree on both points. He is getting too much credit for the gold last year in which any coach in canada would have won with that team.

And taking only 2 scoring lines wasnt too bright. Brassard and Wolski could really help out the PP considering the refs are calling 15 PP's per game.

Oh please, another stupid post. Sutter is a great Coach that lead the team to a WJC.

A Monkey could have coached that team to Gold.

What's hurting Latendresse is his skating and reaction time. I've been to a couple of games and this tournament is all about skating. Some of the Euro teams may be a little light in some areas of the game but they can all skate. All teams are playing a puck pressure, transition game which is not up Latendresse's alley.

Latendresse is just not keeping up with the play and he is not coming back hard. Just looks confused out there. Makes an offensive play and then rather than keeping his feet moving tends to stop and starts watching the play. In comparison a player like Downie is always on the play and moving. Latendresse has no where near the necessary work ethic or intensity.

Fact is Sutter won't put up with this. This is not the time to allow a player to play himself into the tournament. You need, from your first to your last shift, to be on your game.

Saying Sutter has benched Latendresse because he is French Canadian shows the worst kind of myopia. It's contempible stereo-typing of Sutter because he happens to be from Western Canada. It makes you wonder about the future of Canada.

A Monkey could have coached that team to Gold.
I guess a monkey could have got the Rebels to the Memorial Cup on a few occasions & also won it.
The whining on this is over the top. Really only surpassed by last years whining that there were not more kids from the Q.
Geez, is there a common thread there?

I dont think Sutter is retarded or a bad coach, but really has his toughts coming before anything else. right or wrong.

thats the problem with him. IMO

I dont think Sutter is retarded or a bad coach, but really has his toughts coming before anything else. right or wrong.

thats the problem with him. IMO\
Please re-state

I guess a monkey could have got the Rebels to the Memorial Cup on a few occasions & also won it.
The whining on this is over the top. Really only surpassed by last years whining that there were not more kids from the Q.
Geez, is there a common thread there?

Many people in the hockey world and many canadians feel Sutter is overrated as a coach. Its nothing new.

Many people in the hockey world and many canadians feel Sutter is overrated as a coach. Its nothing new.
Yeah ok, Mr. Insider.
How bout naming a few names.
And btw, I'm sure there are a few. It would be highly unusual if there were not any. But really, obviously those who have no agenda (as opposed to so many here) other than winning (ie hockey Canada), feel totally differently.I think that their knowledge, coupled with the fact that they have no bias, is just slightly more persuasive than many who post this subject.

Yeah ok, Mr. Insider.
How bout naming a few names.
And btw, I'm sure there are a few. It would be highly unusual if there were not any. But really, obviously those who have no agenda (as opposed to so many here) other than winning (ie hockey Canada), feel totally differently.I think that their knowledge, coupled with the fact that they have no bias, is just slightly more persuasive than many who post this subject.

Is there any coach that 100% of the people like?? Come on man, not everyone likes Sutter.

Just because you like him and some people dont doesnt mean you have to try and change peoples opinions of him.

honestly i just think that sutter doesnt see him fitting in with the team, he has no chemistry going with anyone there. He floats a lot which PISSES me off! i mean he can really hit and has amazing hands but just doesnt do anything with it. If i was sutter id start playing him on the PP and just put him in front of the net.

Here's a shocker, maybe Latendresse isn't as good as the pedatsol he was put on by some people?

Here's a shocker, maybe Latendresse isn't as good as the pedatsol he was put on by some people?

Maybe he isnt, maybe what he did in preseason was just luck.. maybe his style isnt one that fits in this calibre, maybe he is frustrated, really who knows.. but im sure half of the players on the team right now wont be impact players. Not because you show speed and intensity that you are better. Latendresse needs confidence right now, he struggled a bit in the LHJMQ too still some people just love his assets and skills (See scouting reports). maybe at the end he will have to prove it in the NHL.

I do believe it is crazy he is not getting some PP time, since that is an area he would excel in. However I dont agree he hasnt been getting chances, he was on the 1st line, so he does get to get out there.

Here's a shocker, maybe Latendresse isn't as good as the pedatsol he was put on by some people?

A lot of good NHL players didnt have great World Juniors. Look at the 1998 team. That team has a lot of current great NHL players and they finished 8th :(

I can't stand Sutter love for grinders. Not that he is a bad coach or anything, I just think that he overrates qualities like grit and defense while underrating skills like goal scoring abilities, playmaking, speed and raw skills! I can't understand how guys like Pyatt and Downie made the team in front of guys like Brassard and Wolski. With Brassard on his line Latendresse would shine, Brassard is his playmaker and Guillaume is a great finisher, he doesn't create a lot of plays by himself and Wolski made the Avs out of camp but yet, he is no good for Sutter, come on! Russians will eat us alive with that crappy offense we have!

I also can't understand why a guy like Bourret (even if he has only himself to blame) wasn't even invited to training camp! I don't see our team winning the gold except if Pogge wins it by himself. WE CAN'T SCORE GOALS!!!!

Sutter is a good coach, but there is no denying he has his favorites and preferences to a certain type of style. This team has way too many of the same type of players, and I am all for these types of players as they certainly have their place and importance on a team, but it looks to me like Sutter over did it this year, and could use a little more offensive punch, like say Wolski or Little. But hey, that will all be forgotten if they take gold, and if they do that, it will take some exceptional coaching.

Here's a shocker, maybe Latendresse isn't as good as the pedatsol he was put on by some people?

Maybe.

Or maybe this is not the best type of scenario for him. He is a young power forward, essentially the definition of inconsistent. Playing 8-12 minutes per game is not the way that he's going to break out. In junior he can have 8-12 bad minutes and know he'll still get 15 more in the game. Here if he has a few bad shifts he gets benched. GL is the type of player who needs consistent ice time to get him going. He's not able to get that in this type of event because the team can't afford to play a player who isn't performing at 100% immediately.

Maybe.

Or maybe this is not the best type of scenario for him. He is a young power forward, essentially the definition of inconsistent. Playing 8-12 minutes per game is not the way that he's going to break out. In junior he can have 8-12 bad minutes and know he'll still get 15 more in the game. Here if he has a few bad shifts he gets benched. GL is the type of player who needs consistent ice time to get him going. He's not able to get that in this type of event because the team can't afford to play a player who isn't performing at 100% immediately.

Zero Minutes tonight... :clap:

Latendresse played great today... 0 errors in his own end.

Zero Minutes tonight... :clap:
Yep, his best game so far.
And even better , the idiot Sutter's coaching strategy got the only thing that matters (well, to many anyways), the big W.

Yep, his best game so far.
And even better , the idiot Sutter's coaching strategy got the only thing that matters (well, to many anyways), the big W.

Have they won gold yet??

It was a good effort by Canada. Canada has a good 5 on 5 team because there are a lot of muckers. The refs didnt call much of anything. Our PP is still trash though.

why did they even bother letting him make the team?

AWEFUL by the Canada staff, especially sutter.

:shakehead

honestly i just think that sutter doesnt see him fitting in with the team, he has no chemistry going with anyone there. He floats a lot which PISSES me off! i mean he can really hit and has amazing hands but just doesnt do anything with it. If i was sutter id start playing him on the PP and just put him in front of the net.
Didn't he and Pouliot play together at the camp? I'd heard they had played well together and had instant chemistry... Really surprised that Sutter didn't even try that for the tournament itself.
Now we're out of round robin and I doubt he'll see the ice at all. Mean it's not like we're having trouble scoring to go along with a crap PP.

Too bad.

Have they won gold yet??

It was a good effort by Canada. Canada has a good 5 on 5 team because there are a lot of muckers. The refs didnt call much of anything. Our PP is still trash though.
No, thet have not won dick yet.
I suppose if they dont win gold, all you Latendresse lovers will be saying that Sutters the reason they didnt.
Correct?

No, thet have not won dick yet.
I suppose if they dont win gold, all you Latendresse lovers will be saying that Sutters the reason they didnt.
Correct?

No, the reason is we didnt take enough scorers. Isnt our PP evidence of that??

Canada ALWAYS has a good PP at this tourny, except this year.

No, thet have not won dick yet.
I suppose if they dont win gold, all you Latendresse lovers will be saying that Sutters the reason they didnt.
Correct?



A coach who is undefeated in two years on the international scene is considered an idiot and a terrible coach. Only in Canada. :shakehead

why did they even bother letting him make the team?

AWEFUL by the Canada staff, especially sutter.

:shakehead
Maybe cause they hoped he wouldnt play like a dog,& if he played decent, he could be a valuable piece to the puzzle.
And oh, to those of you new to tournament play, there is aleways a few players that play very little. Thing is, you just dont pick 18 players even though you know you are likely only going to play 18 or so. To do otherwise would be really stupid, dont ya think?

No, the reason is we didnt take enough scorers. Isnt our PP evidence of that??

Canada ALWAYS has a good PP at this tourny, except this year.
Geez, you dont think the quality of player he got to pick has anything to do about it.
You guys are really something. Do you actually think you have any clue at all to picking the team & players strengths & weaknesses compared to the coaching staff.
Btw, were you not one of the ones whining last year about not enough Q players? Why is it always a broken record with the Q fans?

Geez, you dont think the quality of player he got to pick has anything to do about it.
You guys are really something. Do you actually think you have any clue at all to picking the team & players strengths & weaknesses compared to the coaching staff.
Btw, were you not one of the ones whining last year about not enough Q players? Why is it always a broken record with the Q fans?

It was a down here but when you cut an NHL player...you deserve to get critisized.

Wolski was good enough for the Colorado Avalanche but not Team Canada in a down year. Does that make sense to you??

Bryan Little and Derrick Brassard, even if they only played PP would have been worth while selections.

This isnt really anything new. People brought up these points after the team was picked.

Im not QMJHL bias, maybe youre thinking of someone else.

I think Sutter would be wise to give Latendresse a shot on the PP if nothing else. Fine no five on five but for god sakes lets get some outright ability on there as far as shooting the puck goes. He can make plays and finish them. Sutter has done alot of good but in a tight game or trailing the PP is often your best friend and you had better be able to get a big goal. Two more games and they will be tough ones.

A coach who is undefeated in two years on the international scene is considered an idiot and a terrible coach. Only in Canada. :shakehead
I am not sure he is being called an idiot or terrible in any quarters. We all have our own opinions.

A coach who is undefeated in two years on the international scene is considered an idiot and a terrible coach. Only in Canada. :shakehead
Because it was so hard to win with last year's team or something?
Sutter's an alright coach, he's just ticking me off right now.

It was a down here but when you cut an NHL player...you deserve to get critisized.

Wolski was good enough for the Colorado Avalanche but not Team Canada in a down year. Does that make sense to you??

Bryan Little and Derrick Brassard, even if they only played PP would have been worth while selections.

This isnt really anything new. People brought up these points after the team was picked.

Im not QMJHL bias, maybe youre thinking of someone else.
Wolski was not deemed go enough to play in the NHL. If he was, he would be playing with the Avalanche.
Like why do you think these guys dont get picked by Sutter. Cause he wants to lose?
Maybe some uys have character issues. A guy like Latendresse when the Habs cut him played like a dog for awhile. Like, is that a positive thing?

Wolski was not deemed go enough to play in the NHL. If he was, he would be playing with the Avalanche.
Like why do you think these guys dont get picked by Sutter. Cause he wants to lose?
Maybe some uys have character issues. A guy like Latendresse when the Habs cut him played like a dog for awhile. Like, is that a positive thing?

Um he was sent back after 9 games, the magic number. If he wasnt good enough than how in gods name did he make the team? Its not like the Avs suck.

Wolski was not deemed go enough to play in the NHL. If he was, he would be playing with the Avalanche.
Like why do you think these guys dont get picked by Sutter. Cause he wants to lose?
Maybe some uys have character issues. A guy like Latendresse when the Habs cut him played like a dog for awhile. Like, is that a positive thing?
I thought Sutter was going by what he sees not what he has heard. He took a chance on Downie who has had issues- he has done fine. I find it hard to believe Wolski getting in a fight at a house party would see him not get a crack at team Canada. This team can still win this tournament but does the lack of offense not scare you some?

Um he was sent back after 9 games, the magic number. If he wasnt good enough than how in gods name did he make the team? Its not like the Avs suck.
Umm, geez, he didnt get kept up sooooo, I guess he wasnt good enough.

I have only 2 points to make:

1) Sutter is a good coach, he is a proven winner.
2) Sutter is pro-WHL...All Sutters are, no point arguing. Their preference in order: WHL, OHL, Quebec, college, Euro. It's proven.

Umm, geez, he didnt get kept up sooooo, I guess he wasnt good enough.

Do you not understand how the rules work??

He played 9 games for a reason.

10 would have burned a year on his contract which means he would reach his UFA age 1 year sooner. Add in the fact the Avs are close to the cap and there are cheaper possiblities down in the AHL than Wolski who makes 1.35 M.

Umm, geez, he didnt get kept up sooooo, I guess he wasnt good enough.
He got sent down to save them a years service time. No sense keeping him to play 10 minutes per when it counts as a year after ten games. He could have stayed, he is plenty talented enough. He will do more in the pro's than many of these guys will but that happens on team Canada quite often. Its not just a Sutter thing.

That idiot coach is still undefeated in international tournament, and has tied the record for games won. Oh yeah, and led the team to a gold medel last year.

What a stupid coach. Oh, and he's an anti-christ for not playing Pokulok more too. Sutter hates French canadians.

That idiot coach is still undefeated in international tournament, and has tied the record for games won. Oh yeah, and led the team to a gold medel last year.

What a stupid coach. Oh, and he's an anti-christ for not playing Pokulok more too. Sutter hates French canadians.
Where do you see the words stupid and idiot coach in this thread? I do not know why Pokoluk made the team. If latendresse is so bad why did he not just select someone he had more faith in?

Where do you see the words stupid and idiot coach in this thread? I do not know why Pokoluk made the team. If latendresse is so bad why did he not just select someone he had more faith in?
What dont you understand. In any tourney a few guys play very little. Do you suggest that they pick less guys for the team if they know a few guys wont play much.
And also, he's had his chances & obviously he played like crap in Sutters opinion. Its not like Sutter expected him to be a dog. If he did, he wouldnt have picked him.

A coach who is undefeated in two years on the international scene is considered an idiot and a terrible coach. Only in Canada. :shakehead


He's not a terrible coach. But he's just not my type. His type haven't won a lot of Cups in the past. Hard work is one thing, but Alger Arbour, his mentor I might add, knew one thing: you needed guys like Bossy when you wanted an important goal. Sutter is leaving a top notch scorer on the bench while is PP is struggling. That's just unacceptable.

The old mentality of rewarding players for the PP is passé, man. Since the Oiler days, the way of doing things is you send your best snipers on the ice.

What dont you understand. In any tourney a few guys play very little. Do you suggest that they pick less guys for the team if they know a few guys wont play much.
And also, he's had his chances & obviously he played like crap in Sutters opinion. Its not like Sutter expected him to be a dog. If he did, he wouldnt have picked him.
I am very used to all players having a role at this tourney, even if its a small one. Dixon was the 13th forward last year and was a lesser light amongst a pile of stars but he got time on the PK and some energy line shifts. I see latendresse being a PP guy and I think its valid. Sutter does not need my help coaching this team , I see an asset being underutilized and that is that.

this guy is fat and out of shape, he came to camp near 240lbs, pretty fat for a 19 year old... he needs to play around the 215-220 range to be solid, or even less.

Actually, Guillaume is at his best at around 225-230. I saw this guy at a hockey rink this summer. He looks more like a 25 year old semi-pro hockey player than an 18 year old kid. Man, he's built like a truck.

He's not a terrible coach. But he's just not my type. His type haven't won a lot of Cups in the past. .
What the heck are you talking about?

In the past 3 years, Brent Sutter has a memorial cup and WJC gold medel.

The Sutter's are the most accomplished brothers in the history of the sport for a good reason. Brent is easily the best in junior hockey, Darryl just lead his team to the Stanley Cup finals, Ron and Duane are both pro scouts and Brian Sutter is a coach as well.

You don't get very far if you don't know how to win, and the Sutters know how to win.

What's hurting Latendresse is his skating and reaction time. I've been to a couple of games and this tournament is all about skating. Some of the Euro teams may be a little light in some areas of the game but they can all skate. All teams are playing a puck pressure, transition game which is not up Latendresse's alley.

Latendresse is just not keeping up with the play and he is not coming back hard. Just looks confused out there. Makes an offensive play and then rather than keeping his feet moving tends to stop and starts watching the play. In comparison a player like Downie is always on the play and moving. Latendresse has no where near the necessary work ethic or intensity.

Fact is Sutter won't put up with this. This is not the time to allow a player to play himself into the tournament. You need, from your first to your last shift, to be on your game.

Saying Sutter has benched Latendresse because he is French Canadian shows the worst kind of myopia. It's contempible stereo-typing of Sutter because he happens to be from Western Canada. It makes you wonder about the future of Canada.


I agree 100 percent with your post. Great analysis. The only problem I have is this: why not AT LEAST one shift??? And on the PP, where the pressure is non-existent??? Schneider was giving rebounds galore. He had trouble with higher shots. Latendresse is a monster with high glove-side shots. Give him the puck on the PP. He will not disappoint.

He's not a terrible coach. But he's just not my type. His type haven't won a lot of Cups in the past. Hard work is one thing, but Alger Arbour, his mentor I might add, knew one thing: you needed guys like Bossy when you wanted an important goal. Sutter is leaving a top notch scorer on the bench while is PP is struggling. That's just unacceptable.

The old mentality of rewarding players for the PP is passé, man. Since the Oiler days, the way of doing things is you send your best snipers on the ice.
Most coaches are not of the view you reward a guy for being a dog.
And as a matter of fact, many coaches have won Cups with that credo. Bowman would bench guys, Tortaella, Burns, Robinson, even the Crow does it on occasion

Here's a shocker, maybe Latendresse isn't as good as the pedatsol he was put on by some people?


I guess you haven't seen him play a lot, have you?

Yep, his best game so far.
And even better , the idiot Sutter's coaching strategy got the only thing that matters (well, to many anyways), the big W.


I saw the game. It was a tie, don't you think otherwise. The score is a mirage.

What the heck are you talking about?

In the past 3 years, Brent Sutter has a memorial cup and WJC gold medel.

The Sutter's are the most accomplished brothers in the history of the sport for a good reason. Brent is easily the best in junior hockey, Darryl just lead his team to the Stanley Cup finals, Ron and Duane are both pro scouts and Brian Sutter is a coach as well.

You don't get very far if you don't know how to win, and the Sutters know how to win.


Darryl led his team to the Cup, but who won? And with what type of players?

As for the Mem Cup, I give him that. He had a pretty solid lineup also.

As for the best coach thing, I differ. I think Benoit Groulx is the best coach. But it's just my opinion. He gets less coverage, but look at his overall stats since he's joined the Piques. The only thing he didn't do was to win the Mem Cup. But he went there twice, and with a pretty ordinary lineup I might add.

pisses me off so badly....... whats he trying to do here..

I saw the game. It was a tie, don't you think otherwise. The score is a mirage.
Whatever Latendresse. Thats all they had to do.
The sad thing is here, I get the impression that many Q/Latendresse fans would now like to see Canada lose,just because their favorite boy from their favorite league is not playing. At the very least, I can predict it now:
"Stupid Sutter, if only Latendreswse played. If he played , Canada would have won (actuallythey may have lost by more, who knows). They deserve to lose"
Sad. Pathetic.. But all likely true.

Most coaches are not of the view you reward a guy for being a dog.
And as a matter of fact, many coaches have won Cups with that credo. Bowman would bench guys, Tortaella, Burns, Robinson, even the Crow does it on occasion


Bowman would never have benched Guy Lafleur. He would bench Mario Tremblay and that was it. In fact, he benched him for a complete game. Just like with Guillaume. But different players and, specially, different eras. Al Arbour never benched Bossy.

Tortorella benched Lecavalier and it did nothing. Absolutely nothing. You musn't know Lecavalier to think that it did him good. In fact, he still hates the guy's guts. Burns didn't win a cup by benching people. He did that with the softer players in Montreal, in Boston and in TO. But with the Devils, you saw a mellow Pat.
As for Robinson, he was a flake as a coach.

pisses me off so badly....... whats he trying to do here..
Repeat as WJC champion

What the heck are you talking about?

In the past 3 years, Brent Sutter has a memorial cup and WJC gold medel.

The Sutter's are the most accomplished brothers in the history of the sport for a good reason. Brent is easily the best in junior hockey, Darryl just lead his team to the Stanley Cup finals, Ron and Duane are both pro scouts and Brian Sutter is a coach as well.

You don't get very far if you don't know how to win, and the Sutters know how to win.
Hopefully you will not post this again. The Sutter brothers are respected by most- and I am in that group. I will not blindly kiss Brent's *** and worship his every move.

pisses me off so badly....... whats he trying to do here..
Ahhh,heres a newflash.
Win perhaps.

Ahhh,heres a newflash.
Win perhaps.

lol of course that but dammit seriously if i was guillaume right now id wana go home, id be freakin pissed, although he wasnt pissed and seemed fine..... brent must have discussed it with him before the game.

Bowman would never have benched Guy Lafleur. He would bench Mario Tremblay and that was it. In fact, he benched him for a complete game. Just like with Guillaume. But different players and, specially, different eras. Al Arbour never benched Bossy.

Tortorella benched Lecavalier and it did nothing. Absolutely nothing. You musn't know Lecavalier to think that it did him good. In fact, he still hates the guy's guts. Burns didn't win a cup by benching people. He did that with the softer players in Montreal, in Boston and in TO. But with the Devils, you saw a mellow Pat.
As for Robinson, he was a flake as a coach.
Lafleur got benched, Tortella helped make Lecalvier what he is today.
And mentioning the almighty Latendresse with those guys names is really quite amusing.

Whatever Latendresse. Thats all they had to do.
The sad thing is here, I get the impression that many Q/Latendresse fans would now like to see Canada lose,just because their favorite boy from their favorite league is not playing. At the very least, I can predict it now:
"Stupid Sutter, if only Latendreswse played. If he played , Canada would have won (actuallythey may have lost by more, who knows). They deserve to lose"
Sad. Pathetic.. But all likely true.
Come on. I am not even a fan of latendresse. I see our horse **** PP and a player that can help it. I am not cheering against Canada and it is ridiculous to assume otherwise.

Hopefully you will not post this again. The Sutter brothers are respected by most- and I am in that group. I will not blindly kiss Brent's *** and worship his every move.
He asked what the Sutter brothers know about winning

That's like asking what Scotty Bowman knows about hockey

Come on. I am not even a fan of latendresse. I see our horse **** PP and a player that can help it. I am not cheering against Canada and it is ridiculous to assume otherwise.
And putting a slumping player would automatically help?

Whatever Latendresse. Thats all they had to do.
The sad thing is here, I get the impression that many Q/Latendresse fans would now like to see Canada lose,just because their favorite boy from their favorite league is not playing. At the very least, I can predict it now:
"Stupid Sutter, if only Latendreswse played. If he played , Canada would have won (actuallythey may have lost by more, who knows). They deserve to lose"
Sad. Pathetic.. But all likely true.


The problem is you see us as Latendresse lovers only. And you could be right. It's funny, though, that the subject has become the hottest topic of this board. Could it just be that the majority of the posters here think he's being treated like dirt?

If you've ever played hockey, you know that dressing up and not playing one shift is not only humiliating, but destroys your confidence. And athletes need their confidence like I need to sleep. Sutter musn't forget that he's there to win, but he's playing with careers here. I'm pretty sure that he'll get a call from Bob Gainey after the tournament, at least to inquire on his reasoning.

Do we want Canada to win? Of course. But what I saw tonight tells me that we should be bracing ourselves for the silver medal. Using the PP to reward pluckers in a short tournament is not the way to go.

Kessel played a bad game tonight. Yet, the US coach gave him some double shifts at the end. Why? It's called trying to score a goal on the PP. Hockey is all about special units in case you didn't notice. You win and you lose with them. 5 on 5 is now very overrated. Why not give yourself a chance? That's all we're saying.

I saw the game. It was a tie, don't you think otherwise. The score is a mirage.
But they still won

That's the long and short of it

Darryl led his team to the Cup, but who won? And with what type of players?

As for the Mem Cup, I give him that. He had a pretty solid lineup also.

As for the best coach thing, I differ. I think Benoit Groulx is the best coach. But it's just my opinion. He gets less coverage, but look at his overall stats since he's joined the Piques. The only thing he didn't do was to win the Mem Cup. But he went there twice, and with a pretty ordinary lineup I might add.
That doesn't matter. The Sutter's win. Period.

Lafleur got benched, Tortella helped make Lecalvier what he is today.
And mentioning the almighty Latendresse with those guys names is really quite amusing.


Lafleur got benched by Lemaire, buddy. Not by Bowman. When he needed a goal, he sent Lafleur. Go ask Cherry.

As for Lecavalier, you know nothing. You know what the media tells you. Go ask Vinny yourself. Lecavalier is playing for his teammates, for himself. Not for his coach. In fact, Tortorella is in the doghouse with the majority of his stars.

That doesn't matter. The Sutter's win. Period.


They won what? One Mem Cup? That's it?

The problem is you see us as Latendresse lovers only. And you could be right. It's funny, though, that the subject has become the hottest topic of this board. Could it just be that the majority of the posters here think he's being treated like dirt?

Fair enough, but maybe Latendresse should play better instead of blaming Sutter.

Come on. I am not even a fan of latendresse. I see our horse **** PP and a player that can help it. I am not cheering against Canada and it is ridiculous to assume otherwise.
How do you know he can help it. Cause he scores in the Q. Woop dee doo.
Thats like me saying they its idiotic that they dont have Jonathen Toews out there for every pp, because after all, hes not getting a ton of pp time & there pp is not that good.
Why dont I ever here near the complaining from fans of the Dub or Ohl as I do from fans of the Q (not speaking specifically of you) about their favorite players not playing, not playing very much or not getting picked.
This same crap goes on every year like clockwork from Q fans.

They won what? One Mem Cup? That's it?
2 Stanley Cups, 1 memorial cup and 1 WJC gold medal. (That's just Brent Sutter)

What a loser

2 Stanley Cups, 1 memorial cup and 1 WJC gold medal. (That's just Brent Sutter)

What a loser
He also won I believe 3 Canada Cups as a player.

It's funny, though, that the subject has become the hottest topic of this board. Could it just be that the majority of the posters here think he's being treated like dirt?

If.
No, actually I think that fans of the Q just whine way more than all the other fans put together.

Fair enough, but maybe Latendresse should play better instead of blaming Sutter.


In fact, he's not. At least, not publicly. On RDS' web site, he writes that Brent Sutter is very likeable. Honest to God. And he maybe, for all we know. I believe Guillaume, he's pretty down to earth.

Listen, Guillaume has been known in the past to go to sleep. He's a gentle giant. One of his closest observers (those who've followed his career) told me he was lackadaisical (sorry for the spelling) sometimes. This guy had it pretty easy till the midget level. He skipped bantam! He went from pee-wee to midget AAA... But when he puts on the burners, he's unstoppable physically. And he's got these wonderful hands...

If Sutter feels Guillaume is sleeping, fine. But at least give him one freaking shift...

He also won I believe 3 Canada Cups as a player.


Because of Mike Bossy, Wayne Gretzky and MArio Lemieux. Not pluckers.

No, actually I think that fans of the Q just whine way more than all the other fans put together.


Stereotype comment...ahem.

Because of Mike Bossy, Wayne Gretzky and MArio Lemieux. Not pluckers.
Of course because those three played all 60 minutes of the games. Moreover, Brent Sutter scored the 5th goal in the last game of the 87 Canada Cup. Without that goal Canada might not win. You need grinders on teams. You don't build teams by having the best players. You take players to fill certain roles.

He also won I believe 3 Canada Cups as a player.


Doug Jarvis won 4 Stanley Cups in a row. That doesn't make him HOF material.

Lafleur got benched by Lemaire, buddy. Not by Bowman. When he needed a goal, he sent Lafleur. Go ask Cherry.

As for Lecavalier, you know nothing. You know what the media tells you. Go ask Vinny yourself. Lecavalier is playing for his teammates, for himself. Not for his coach. In fact, Tortorella is in the doghouse with the majority of his stars.
You have no idea Bud. Like, I guess Vinny hates Tortella so much he signed a lonng term contract with the Bolts.
He actually likes Tortella & credits him with his success. That much I know.

Stereotype comment...ahem.

And accurate.

How do you know he can help it. Cause he scores in the Q. Woop dee doo.
Thats like me saying they its idiotic that they dont have Jonathen Toews out there for every pp, because after all, hes not getting a ton of pp time & there pp is not that good.
Why dont I ever here near the complaining from fans of the Dub or Ohl as I do from fans of the Q (not speaking specifically of you) about their favorite players not playing, not playing very much or not getting picked.
This same crap goes on every year like clockwork from Q fans.
Well how do you know he cannot? He has the tools, he is a high draft pick and damn near made the Canadians. . Toews does not shoot the puck and get around the net like Latte. I am not happy with the treatment, just like I would be if his name was Joey Yellowstick from Nunavut or Allan slipnfallchuk from saskatoon.I'm beginning to tire out here on the east coast, Trying to hang in for the Swiss/Finn score.

You have no idea Bud. Like, I guess Vinny hates Tortella so much he signed a lonng term contract with the Bolts.
He actually likes Tortella & credits him with his success. That much I know.


That's what I said. You know nothing.

Go play a round of golf with him and tell me if you keep up the same tune. Read my lips: he hates the guy. He loves Tampa, and his teammates, but he can't stand him with a 10 foot poll. Not even funny. Go ask St-Louis and Richards.

He also won I believe 3 Canada Cups as a player.
You don't say?

What a loser

Here's a writeup:

Sutter has been a part of the WHL’s Red Deer Rebels for the past six seasons. The native of Viking, AB played 18 NHL seasons with the New York Islanders and the Chicago Blackhawks, and is a two-time Stanley Cup champion with the New York Islanders (1982 and 1983). Brent led the Red Deer Rebels to the WHL championship and won the 2001 Memorial Cup. He was named coach of the 2001 and 2002 WHL Eastern All-Star Team, 2001 CHL Prospects game Assistant Coach, and the 2001 CHL and WHL Coach of the Year and 2001 Executive of the Year. He holds a 253-126-38-15 career coaching record with the Rebels.

As a player, Sutter represented Canada on four occasions: 1991 Canada Cup (1st place), 1987 Canada Cup (1st place), 1984 Canada Cup (1st place) and the 1986 World Hockey Championship (bronze medal).

Yeah, what does Sutter know about coaching and winning?

Oh... and he's still undefeated in the WJC, and has tied a record for the longest winning streak in Team Canada WJC history, looking to break it.

Well how do you know he cannot? He has the tools, he is a high draft pick and damn near made the Canadians. . Toews does not shoot the puck and get around the net like Latte. I am not happy with the treatment, just like I would be if his name was Joey Yellowstick from Nunavut or Allan slipnfallchuk from saskatoon.I'm beginning to tire out here on the east coast, Trying to hang in for the Swiss/Finn score.


:biglaugh:

Doug Jarvis won 4 Stanley Cups in a row. That doesn't make him HOF material.
You don't understand. Some people are born winners. Brent Sutter at what ever he does wins.

Doug Jarvis won 4 Stanley Cups in a row. That doesn't make him HOF material.
Who said anything about HOF?

We're talking about winning. And Brent Sutter knows how to win.

When Darryl Sutter decides to vacate his coaching position, I really hope Brent is takes that spot.

You don't say?

What a loser

Here's a writeup:



Yeah, what does Sutter know about coaching and winning?

Oh... and he's still undefeated in the WJC, and has tied a record for the longest winning streak in Team Canada WJC history, looking to break it.

Like I said, he's a solid coach. I don't like his approach. I've seen other types of coaches winning too. Scotty Bowman was an *** in Montreal, but was very likeable in Pittsburgh and in Detroit. He changed, because times have changed.

Herb Brooks coached with the Sutter philosophy also and he was a bust in the NHL. Burns could coach 3 seasons before players got tired of his antics. The same is going to happen in Tampa.

You don't understand. Some people are born winners. Brent Sutter at what ever he does wins.


Not true. I heard he lost a game of cards against Persson in the plane. :D Maybe that's why Persson had 3 teeth missing the next morning. :D

Pouliot doesn't speak a word of french and he also needs more ice time. Stop the racist paranoia.



Excuse me? Benoit Pouliot is bilingual.

Like I said, he's a solid coach. I don't like his approach. I've seen other types of coaches winning too. Scotty Bowman was an *** in Montreal, but was very likeable in Pittsburgh and in Detroit. He changed, because times have changed.

Herb Brooks coached with the Sutter philosophy also and he was a bust in the NHL. Burns could coach 3 seasons before players got tired of his antics. The same is going to happen in Tampa.
So what if you don't like his approach. His job as a coach is to win and he does it all the time. Look at his brother in Calgary, they love Darryl and he is doing a fantastic job as well.

And accurate.
:D

Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.

You've got to know that this dates back to the Mario Lemieux years, when the great Dave King refused to take him on the canadian team because he wasn't very defensively conscious (euphemism). Since then, the Q fans have been a bit fickle.

So what if you don't like his approach. His job as a coach is to win and he does it all the time. Look at his brother in Calgary, they love Darryl and he is doing a fantastic job as well.


That's why there are boards like this one. Imagine if we couldn't comment on some decisions. We'd be drinking Kool-Aid all the time. Wouldn't it be boring?

By the way, Happy New Year, guys.

Like I said, he's a solid coach. I don't like his approach. I've seen other types of coaches winning too. Scotty Bowman was an *** in Montreal, but was very likeable in Pittsburgh and in Detroit. He changed, because times have changed.

But he win's. That's all that matters.

I can't believe everyone's willing to overlook all his accomplishments (not to mention being UNDEFEATED so far in WJC play, 10-0) all because he didn't play Latendresse.


Herb Brooks coached with the Sutter philosophy also and he was a bust in the NHL. Burns could coach 3 seasons before players got tired of his antics. The same is going to happen in Tampa.
But Brent Sutter is still winning.

Brent Sutter, like Darryl, preach accountability. If you arn't accountable for your actions (ie. Latandresse) you don't play. That is Brian Sutter's downfall.

Again, that's all that matters.

That's why there are boards like this one. Imagine if we couldn't comment on some decisions. We'd be drinking Kool-Aid all the time. Wouldn't it be boring?

By the way, Happy New Year, guys.
Good post :biglaugh:

The Swiss lose 4-1 so its the Scandinavian clash for Monday's QF.

But he win's. That's all that matters.

I can't believe everyone's willing to overlook all his accomplishments (not to mention being UNDEFEATED so far in WJC play, 10-0) all because he didn't play Latendresse.


But Brent Sutter is still winning

Again, that's all that matters.


What can I say if not: you're right!

Ok, so aren't you tired of the arrogance of Rusky fans on this board? Just asking...

What can I say if not:
Well... we could talk about how Latandresse should play better instead of blaming Latendresse. He was given 3 chances, and didn't step up to the challenge.

Well... we could talk about how Latandresse should play better instead of blaming Latendresse. He was given 3 chances, and didn't step up to the challenge.


Granted, he was lousy in the first 2 games. After that, he had some pretty decent shifts at the end of the 2nd period against Norway. In the 3rd, had a scoring chance (or sort of...), but his linemates were nowhere to be seen.

Tonight, well people tell me he was good with the bottles.

I just wanted to say, I have nothing against Latandresse. Power forwards are inconsistant, that is all but a fact. Big players take longer to develop and learn how to use their bodies. Lantendresse should be a good player for the Habs, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he's not playing well, so he sits.

I just wanted to say, I have nothing against Latandresse. Power forwards are inconsistant, that is all but a fact. Big players take longer to develop and learn how to use their bodies. Lantendresse should be a good player for the Habs, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he's not playing well, so he sits.

By you trying to have the last word, I can't go to bed. In case you don't know, it's like 1 h 42 in the East. I need my pillow.

err, um...

bump

Listen, we all know that the only way Latendress gets any ice time is if he puts on a Steve Downie mask :)

But he win's. That's all that matters.

I can't believe everyone's willing to overlook all his accomplishments (not to mention being UNDEFEATED so far in WJC play, 10-0) all because he didn't play Latendresse.


But Brent Sutter is still winning.

Brent Sutter, like Darryl, preach accountability. If you arn't accountable for your actions (ie. Latandresse) you don't play. That is Brian Sutter's downfall.

Again, that's all that matters.

Is winning all that matters? Player development doesn't matter? The fact that Gui has not walked away from the team and instead waits patiently for the tap on the shoulder is a measure of character. I'm not sure I'd have been able to stomach that. Indeed I do expect that his Jr team must be thinking "Holy hell, we gave this guy to Canada for a month and he doesn't play. We should have kept him here."

That doesn't matter. The Sutter's win. Period.

Brent wins, Duane won. The rest...not so much. ;)

This is pretty easy to answer.

Guillaume Latendresse is being benched because he comes from Sainte-Catherine, Quebec.

If his name was Steve Smith, from Red Deer, Alberta, he would get his fair chance. He doesn't even get the chance to play bad, Sutter just benches him, using him as an exemple for all of the team who has been playing pretty bad.

To all those who drink the TSN-Pierre McGwire Kool-Aid, Sutter is NOT that good of a coach. If he isn't in the NHL, it's for a good reason: Yes, his "no-BS" way may work with 18-year-old kids, but it would never work in the pro ranks. Also, his type of goon hockey is great for a short tourney playing against mostly inferior opponents that are not used to such physical play, but it would never fly elsewhere.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. I also think coaching last years Gold medal team was about the easiest job in the World, my little sister could have coached last years team and they would have still won.

Latendresse is not playing good right now, who cares what he has done in the past. Right now when I watch him play I wonder how he made this team. Who's ice time do you take away hoping he feels like playing. If I am Sutter I don't take that chance, maybe if I am down by three going into the third but not in a close game.

Guillaume should work harder in the practice! With coach Sutter if you work hard you will earn ice time! Latendresse isn't working hard enough!

We can't complain about Sutter he is winning! I agree with all his decisions!

Latendresse is not playing good right now, who cares what he has done in the past. Right now when I watch him play I wonder how he made this team. Who's ice time do you take away hoping he feels like playing. If I am Sutter I don't take that chance, maybe if I am down by three going into the third but not in a close game.

No way I'd go on the ice if I was Lats in that case. I remember at the under 18's last year Colton Yellowhorn didn't play one shift in the final game and then gets thrown out on the ice in the final minute. He crosses the blueline and gets sent flying head first into the boards and leaves on a stretcher. Well worth it IMO.

Guillaume should work harder in the practice! With coach Sutter if you work hard you will earn ice time! Latendresse isn't working hard enough!

We can't complain about Sutter he is winning! I agree with all his decisions!

Maybe some hard working, well placed, shoulder separating, crunching checks on his teammates in practice will earn him some ice-time. ;)

Seriously, throw him out on the PP and see if things get better, they can't really get worse. Take away the first ten minutes of the game when the US was flat footed and the end result is different.

No way I'd go on the ice if I was Lats in that case. I remember at the under 18's last year Colton Yellowhorn didn't play one shift in the final game and then gets thrown out on the ice in the final minute. He crosses the blueline and gets sent flying head first into the boards and leaves on a stretcher. Well worth it IMO.
That is probally why Lats is not playing, he doesn't think it is worth it.

Excuse me? Benoit Pouliot is bilingual.

Yeah, about 30 seconds after I made that post I made a quick search on google and said I was wrong, he does speak french as well.

Here's what Latendresse had to say in yesterday's newspaper (Le Journal de Québec ... sorry if my translation of the article sucks)

Title of the article is :

"I didn't have my chance"

Other quotes from Guillaume :

"At this point in the competition, all that matters is the logo in front of the shirt and not my name in the back. When I look at the quality of the players in Team Canada Junior, I don't have any other choice than adopt this attitude "

" No matter how much ice tme I'll get, I'll be the best team player I can be. What my teamates will get, I will also, but, in my wildest dreams, this isn't how I was seeing myself at my first WJC."

"Honestly, I don't think I ever had a real chance"

Yeah, about 30 seconds after I made that post I made a quick search on google and said I was wrong, he does speak french as well.

Here's what Latendresse had to say in yesterday's newspaper (Le Journal de Québec ... sorry if my translation of the article sucks)

Title of the article is :

"I didn't have my chance"

Other quotes from Guillaume :

"At this point in the competition, all that matters is the logo in front of the shirt and not my name in the back. When I look at the quality of the players in Team Canada Junior, I don't have any other choice than adopt this attitude "

" No matter how much ice tme I'll get, I'll be the best team player I can be. What my teamates will get, I will also, but, in my wildest dreams, this isn't how I was seeing myself at my first WJC."

"Honestly, I don't think I ever had a real chance"


He's saying all the right things at least.

He's saying all the right things at least.
I like his statement, except the last sentence.
"I never had a chance"?
Sutter preaches very hard work, both in games and practises.
I haven't seen any Team Canada practises, but if Lat isn't playing, chances are he is not giving 100% in practise.
He did have a chance. He just did not rise to the occasion by working his butt off.
Having said that, I think he will see some shifts in the medal round, if he works very hard over the next few practises.

Is winning all that matters? Player development doesn't matter? The fact that Gui has not walked away from the team and instead waits patiently for the tap on the shoulder is a measure of character. I'm not sure I'd have been able to stomach that. Indeed I do expect that his Jr team must be thinking "Holy hell, we gave this guy to Canada for a month and he doesn't play. We should have kept him here."
In the WJC's player development doesnt matter.

Its all about winning.

Oh well, let's just hope Latendresse gets some shift in the finals and bring a GIGANTIC ( :cry: ) performance. I'm sure Sutter will give the kid another chance to prove himself.

In the WJC's player development doesnt matter.

Its all about winning.

Do you honestly think Sutter would have left Phaneuf or Fraser on the bench the entire tournament last year if they weren't performing the way he wanted? Development in junior should always be the #1 priority.

What an idiot this Sutter is :shakehead

Do you honestly think Sutter would have left Phaneuf or Fraser on the bench the entire tournament last year if they weren't performing the way he wanted? Development in junior should always be the #1 priority.
Yes, I do.
If they were loafing in practise or not finishing their checks in games, they would have been riding the pine, believe me.
But those two guys have a reputation for hard work.
I'm not sure Guillaume has the same reputation.

What an UNDEFEATED idiot this Sutter is :shakehead
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What an idiot this Sutter is :shakehead
a 4-0 idiot!

What an idiot this Sutter is :shakehead

I'm sure Hockey Canada and their first place Group A finish agrees with you.

Do you honestly think Sutter would have left Phaneuf or Fraser on the bench the entire tournament last year if they weren't performing the way he wanted?

Yes. With the depth on defense Canada had the last 2 years, Sutter would have benched Phaneuf if he wasn't pulling his weight, but trying to create perspective with an ineffective Latendresse to the best junior defenseman in the world is really, REALLY grasping at straws. Or even an energy line player. Because Latendresse is in no way cut out for a speedy energy role. His job was to create offense and he didn't, his game is pretty one dimensional in that respect.

Development in junior should always be the #1 priority.

Not at the World Juniors. That is why leading scorers for teams are reduced to 4th line energy roles.

I'm sure Hockey Canada and their first place Group A finish agrees with you.


This debate is bordering on the East vs West type. Calgarians and Westerners defend what the Sutters have done, Eastern Canada (still not fixed on ONtario, but the Maritimes and Quebec have taken sides here) for the player aforementioned.

I see, said the blind man. We should just close this thread unless there are any new info on the subject.

Yes, I do.
If they were loafing in practise or not finishing their checks in games, they would have been riding the pine, believe me.
But those two guys have a reputation for hard work.
I'm not sure Guillaume has the same reputation.

I don't believe you. They would have had opportunities galore to work themselves out of their "funk" because of their reputation and because he has to coach them in Red Deer. Who's going to pick up the pieces for Latendresse? No one has said that Latendresse has been loafing in practice and his play in the round robin has been minimal. The only thing that is evident is that he's seen 0 PP time when his strength as a scorer coincides with Canada's weakness on the PP. Surely having him in front of the net on the PP wouldn't be the worst decision in the world.

Let me premise this by saying that if anybody buys in the GL hype, it's me, because I was one of the biggest pre-draft day proponents of it.

But he has not played well when given the chance, and he is sitting as a result of it. It has nothing to do with where he is from, and everything to do with the job he has done on the ice.

Brent Sutter IS as good of a coach as TSN says. There is a reason he has more consecutive wins than any other Team Canada WJC coach in history (I got this piece of information from the Hockey Canada folks in the Media Centre, so I apologize if it is inaccurate, but considering the source, I highly doubt that's the case). Sutter coaches by a very simple philosophy. If you screw up or play poorly, you don't play.

Andrew Cogliano and Ryan O'Marra have also felt this wrath. And when they came back from their period of benching, they played very well. GL did not. He was given his chance to bounce back and failed to do it. A coach in a single-elimination tournament (which this event now is) simply cannot put players on the ice that have not shown him that they're on their game.

I don't believe you. They would have had opportunities galore to work themselves out of their "funk" because of their reputation and because he has to coach them in Red Deer. Who's going to pick up the pieces for Latendresse? No one has said that Latendresse has been loafing in practice and his play in the round robin has been minimal. The only thing that is evident is that he's seen 0 PP time when his strength as a scorer coincides with Canada's weakness on the PP. Surely having him in front of the net on the PP wouldn't be the worst decision in the world.


The only part I saw in practice is him gunning a shot past Pogge on a one timer. Something that's missing on this team.

Let me premise this by saying that if anybody buys in the GL hype, it's me, because I was one of the biggest pre-draft day proponents of it.

But he has not played well when given the chance, and he is sitting as a result of it. It has nothing to do with where he is from, and everything to do with the job he has done on the ice.

Brent Sutter IS as good of a coach as TSN says. There is a reason he has more consecutive wins than any other Team Canada WJC coach in history (I got this piece of information from the Hockey Canada folks in the Media Centre, so I apologize if it is inaccurate, but considering the source, I highly doubt that's the case). Sutter coaches by a very simple philosophy. If you screw up or play poorly, you don't play.

Andrew Cogliano and Ryan O'Marra have also felt this wrath. And when they came back from their period of benching, they played very well. GL did not. He was given his chance to bounce back and failed to do it. A coach in a single-elimination tournament (which this event now is) simply cannot put players on the ice that have not shown him that they're on their game.


THE question is: why dress him at all, then? There's nothing more humiliating than letting a player on the bench without o-n-e s-h-i-f-t. If he's not needed, then leave him in the stands.

THE question is: why dress him at all, then? There's nothing more humiliating than letting a player on the bench without o-n-e s-h-i-f-t. If he's not needed, then leave him in the stands.
Agreed. It's more humane.

Let me premise this by saying that if anybody buys in the GL hype, it's me, because I was one of the biggest pre-draft day proponents of it.

But he has not played well when given the chance, and he is sitting as a result of it. It has nothing to do with where he is from, and everything to do with the job he has done on the ice.

Brent Sutter IS as good of a coach as TSN says. There is a reason he has more consecutive wins than any other Team Canada WJC coach in history (I got this piece of information from the Hockey Canada folks in the Media Centre, so I apologize if it is inaccurate, but considering the source, I highly doubt that's the case). Sutter coaches by a very simple philosophy. If you screw up or play poorly, you don't play.

Andrew Cogliano and Ryan O'Marra have also felt this wrath. And when they came back from their period of benching, they played very well. GL did not. He was given his chance to bounce back and failed to do it. A coach in a single-elimination tournament (which this event now is) simply cannot put players on the ice that have not shown him that they're on their game.

My Grandmother could have went 6-0 with team Canada last year and she's dead. Canada barely hung on to a few games this year in spite of Sutter not because of him. He's an overbearing, theory x, militaristic, demotivating ahole.

THE question is: why dress him at all, then? There's nothing more humiliating than letting a player on the bench without o-n-e s-h-i-f-t. If he's not needed, then leave him in the stands.

I don't understand the whole o-n-e s-h-i-f-t thing.

Sasha Pokulok has not played a single shift in the tournament I don't believe. He still is on the bench.

You keep players on the bench because injuries happen, Sutter may elect to give him another shot.

I don't hear nearly the uproar about Dubnyk not getting a second of ice time. Surely it is a travesty that he didn't get to play in one game, even against Norway.

THE question is: why dress him at all, then? There's nothing more humiliating than letting a player on the bench without o-n-e s-h-i-f-t. If he's not needed, then leave him in the stands.

Expect to see Latendresse get some early shifts in the next game, if he doesn't get something going, don't expect to see him for the rest of the tourney.

First it was a period (or the latter half of a game) that was a motivating tactic, this time it was the entire game and Brent hopes to light a fire under Latendresse. Darryl's done it, Brent's done it, Brian's done it, sometimes it has worked, sometimes it hasn't, but it is done to motivate the player, sitting on the bench the whole game does that more than sitting in the stands.

My Grandmother could have went 6-0 with team Canada last year and she's dead. Canada barely hung on to a few games this year in spite of Sutter not because of him. He's an overbearing, theory x, militaristic, demotivating ahole.

No, you know what he is? One of the most successful coaches in Team Canada World Junior history.

No, you're deceased grandmother couldn't have coached that team to a gold medal. Highly favoured teams frequently fail to win the event, sometimes even fail to make the championship game. Sutter took a great cast of players and made them play to their capabilities in basically every single game, something you NEVER see in this tournament. Sutter ensured that team destroyed all competition.

You claim they "barely hung on to a few games this year IN SPITE of Sutter."

Okay.

Proof?

Any shred of anything starting to remotely begin to resemble evidence?

It's funny, because every single player that I spoke to on Team Canada, which was around half of the team between formal interviews and a little bit of information discussion) seemed to be firmly behind Coach Sutter and believing 100% in the way he does things. Ironically, it was Ryan O'Marra, one of the players who has been benched, who was the most ostensibly in favour of his style of coaching.

You make make up and fabricate claims as much as you'd like, but when it comes down to it, Brent Sutter is winning games.

I don't understand the whole o-n-e s-h-i-f-t thing.

Sasha Pokulok has not played a single shift in the tournament I don't believe. He still is on the bench.

You keep players on the bench because injuries happen, Sutter may elect to give him another shot.

I don't hear nearly the uproar about Dubnyk not getting a second of ice time. Surely it is a travesty that he didn't get to play in one game, even against Norway.

Pokulok played.
Dubnyk should have played against Norway. He was however clearly chosen to be the backup.

Pokulok played.
Dubnyk should have played against Norway. He was however clearly chosen to be the backup.

Okay, but Pokulok' s total ice time is nearly negligible. I don't recall seeing him on the ice once, but obviously he has gotten some time.

Dubnyk was clearly chosen to be the backup yes. And GL was clearly chosen to be a north-south powerforward who finishes his checks and gets business done in the corners. He hasn't for the most part when he was on the ice, and if he's not filling his role, then Sutter doesn't want him on the ice.

My Grandmother could have went 6-0 with team Canada last year and she's dead. Canada barely hung on to a few games this year in spite of Sutter not because of him. He's an overbearing, theory x, militaristic, demotivating ahole.

A few games? 5-1 over Finland is barely hanging on? shutting out Norway is barely hanging on? Beating the pre-tournament favorites is barely hanging on?

The United States tied the Swiss, so maybe it had something to do with how Switzerland play that caused a close game and not Sutter's coaching style.

Sutter is a good coach, but I think he just don't like Latendresse at all. I don't know about the pre-tournament game, but he juste gave him about 5 shifts for each of the 2 and 3 game against Norway and Switzerland.

Against SUI and NOR i think Guillaume played good. He had good scoring chances and he's been energetic across the boards. From what i saw last night against USA, the PP has been anemic, after the Cam Barker wristshot. I think Latendresse would help his teammates putting the puck in the back of the net.

But let's face it, if Brent Sutter doesn't put GL on the ice in preliminary rounds, I don't think GL will see icetime in the Medals rounds. But, Guillaume will have a new friends : Him and Sasha Pokulok will have at least 120 minutes to better know each others :)

Okay, but Pokulok' s total ice time is nearly negligible. I don't recall seeing him on the ice once, but obviously he has gotten some time.

Dubnyk was clearly chosen to be the backup yes. And GL was clearly chosen to be a north-south powerforward who finishes his checks and gets business done in the corners. He hasn't for the most part when he was on the ice, and if he's not filling his role, then Sutter doesn't want him on the ice.

Honestly I think what this comes down to is consistency. By Sutter and Latendresse. There are guys taking dumb penalties and making mistakes all over the place, yet they get to go back out. Why hasn't Lats been given that same chance? There has to be something else we don't know about. Sutter's the coach and I don't argue with his success, but if they do lose and go 0 for 8 on the PP, I'd like to have the explanation as to why Latendresse didn't get a chance. Of course, win and it's all forgotten apparently.

It's funny, because every single player that I spoke to on Team Canada, which was around half of the team between formal interviews and a little bit of information discussion) seemed to be firmly behind Coach Sutter and believing 100% in the way he does things. Ironically, it was Ryan O'Marra, one of the players who has been benched, who was the most ostensibly in favour of his style of coaching.



If was on that team I also would cut my hair, shave and praise the general to get to play. But I would secretly hate him.

If was on that team I also would cut my hair, shave and praise the general to get to play. But I would secretly hate him.

Hehe so true.

what about anthony stewart last year? was he benched?

My Grandmother could have went 6-0 with team Canada last year and she's dead. Canada barely hung on to a few games this year in spite of Sutter not because of him. He's an overbearing, theory x, militaristic, demotivating ahole.
I seem to recall that many said the US would destry the opposition this year.
I take it that your grandmother could coach them to a record of destroying the opposition?
Btw, could your granny go to a couple of Memorial Cups & win one of them?

what about anthony stewart last year? was he benched?
I cant recall if he was, but he sure didnt get the ice time he did in the previous year.