Why do Canadian fans want the U.S. to lose?

Maybe I'm a bit pollyannish because I grew up in Detroit, grew up watching HNIC on CBC, and have always visited Windsor alot: but why do the majority of Canadian fans cheer for whoever the US is playing? In my book, I want the US to finish 1'st and Canada 2'nd. If we can't win, I want our neighbors to win. My impression is Canada wants Canada to win, but if their team stumbled they would want anyone else but the US to win.

I work in downtown and have several Windsor residents on our staff. I see the commerce (trucks) pass back and forth on the Ambassador bridge every day as our two countries depend upon each other. Several Canadians work in our office. I regularily watch mostly Canadian boys play in Plymouth MI in the OHL. I love my country the US, but Canada is a close second (your beer is the best). Why do Canadian fans want the U.S. to lose? I cheer for Canada every game, except for when they play the U.S..

Im American and I hate team USA, alot of players nobody likes are on the roster.

Also, when you are America Junior you need something to take pride in.

I think people are making WAYYYYYYYYYY to much out of this ("this" being the booing and what not). Canada and the U.S. are rivals, with Canada having a healthy dose of little brother syndrome. That's manifested in arenas like sports. It's not a big deal, and is actually pretty humorous.

Rivalry. The same reason Swedish people would cheer for anyone playing against Finland, and Finns against Swedes.

Closest rival, and the thing Canada has, and has always had ahead of the U.S. is hockey, and naturally youd want anybody other than your rival to win, especially at the sport you hold most dear.

I think people are making WAYYYYYYYYYY to much out of this ("this" being the booing and what not). Canada and the U.S. are rivals, with Canada having a healthy dose of little brother syndrome. That's manifested in arenas like sports. It's not a big deal, and is actually pretty humorous.

Ok, that is ****ing funny.

Yeah don't worry so much. When USA plays Russia we will see who the real booing is for. Canadians just give America a hard time because of recent polotics.

I think it's a case of the U.S. being our #1 rivals and the favorite to win this tournament. It's akin to Edmonton Oiler fans cheering against the Calgary Flames.

My brother and I had a conversation about this very same issue as our Dad's family all lives in the U.S. and my brother feels I should cheer for the U.S. after Canada. I find that I'm not able to do that, however. Again to draw a comparison to the Edmonton Oiler - Calgary Flame rivalry, I couldn't find it in me to cheer for the Flames 2 years ago in the Stanley Cup Finals...as an Edmontonian, I tried, but it just wasn't possible for me to do it.

Also, I think you would find that Canadian fans would cheer against the Russians if they were the favorite in the tournament, which isn't the case this year.

Why does Edmonton want Calgary to lose? :dunno:

Thank you.

Those very quick responses make alot of sense and were well written.

Isn't it the opposite also?

It's just a friendly rivalry. It's not like we've actually fought each other in war or something. As long as American fans and Canadian fans are actually fighting each other at these games, the Canadians can boo or cheer or whatever. Just win and lose with class, that's all I ask.

If Canada doesn't win, I don't care who wins.

It's just a friendly rivalry. It's not like we've actually fought each other in war or something. As long as American fans and Canadian fans are actually fighting each other at these games, the Canadians can boo or cheer or whatever. Just win and lose with class, that's all I ask.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812

"Although the War of 1812 ended as a victory for the Canadian side, Americans often refer to it as a stalemate and it is often only dimly remembered south of the border it established."

Hehheheh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812
"Although the War of 1812 ended as a victory for the Canadian side, Americans often refer to it as a stalemate and it is often only dimly remembered south of the border it established."

A stalemate where the American capital ended up burning, of course.
It would probably be a little tougher to do now, mind you.
;)
I've got no particular problem with the American team, they are our biggest competition in winning this tourney, that's all. Any losses by the Americans makes the road tougher for them and easier for us.
We just want Canada to take gold.

Closest rival, and the thing Canada has, and has always had ahead of the U.S. is hockey, and naturally youd want anybody other than your rival to win, especially at the sport you hold most dear.

exactly :clap:

I think people are making WAYYYYYYYYYY to much out of this ("this" being the booing and what not). Canada and the U.S. are rivals, with Canada having a healthy dose of little brother syndrome. That's manifested in arenas like sports. It's not a big deal, and is actually pretty humorous.
I hope you don't actually believe that LOL

I am a Canadian. I have lived in Canada my whole life.

Thus, I feel as though I am well qualified to comment on this topic, since I have associated with fellow Canadians every day of my life and know a lot about them.

I will give you an honest answer for the question you are asking.

The honest answer is: Most Canadians have a big inferiority complex when it comes to the U.S.A.

Most Canadians are always measuring themselves up against the U.S.A., whether it be in politics, economics, education, religion, movies, music, and sports. It is a part of Canadians culture to either try to 'one-up' U.S.A. in all of these aspects of life, or try to be as different as possible from the U.S.A. in all of these aspects of life so as to 'stand-out'.

A few examples of the 'chest-pounding' Canadians like to do as it relates to Canada vs. U.S.A.....

1) You will still hear Canadians talk about a war that took place almost 200 years ago (War of 1812), and how they beat the U.S.A. in that war.
2) You will hear Canadians constantly degrade George W. Bush, or whatever leader the U.S.A. has at the time, while not paying as near as much attention to the flaws of the Canadian leader.
3) You will often come across Canadians who will try to find any and all ways of proving that Canadian education is better.
4) You will often come across Canadians who will bring up the fact that Canada has free health care, and the U.S.A. does not, even when the topic had nothing to do with U.S.A. health care in the first place.
5) A lot of Canadians like to shove it is anyone's face who will listen the amount of Canadian movie stars there are and the amount of Canadians music stars there are. And these Canadian movie stars and Canadian music stars are ALWAYS the best.
6) It is fashionable for Canadians to think that if you are a Canadian, then move to the U.S.A., that you become a 'traitor' and that the country is better off without you. It is fashionable to think that if you move from Canada to the U.S.A., that you weren't worthy of being a Canadian in the first place, and that you must not have been good enough or sophisticated enough to handle Canadian way of life.
7) A lot of Canadians like to have a double-standard when it comes to a specific issue of athletics, one that not surprisingly serves to try to make Canada look more athletically dominant than they really are. This double-standard refers to the fact that people from other countries who play for Canada are 100% Canadian (see Donovan Bailey, Dany Heatley, etc.). And people from Canada who play for other countries are still 100% Canadian but are merely 'traitors' (see Brett Hull). This is absurd. A country can't take credit for Brett Hull, then continue to take credit for Donovan Bailey.
8) A lot of Canadians cling to anything that somehow makes them better at sports than the U.S.A. Or at least makes them have a bigger claim to sports than the U.S.A. Hockey is Canada's sport, because Canada is the best at it. Basketball is Canada's sport, because Canada invented it. Golf is Canada's sport, because Mike Weir won the Master's a couple of years ago. Soccer is Canada's sport, because a Canadian's great-grand-father had a cousin, whose cousin had a father, who had a best friend, who had a brother, who had a best friend who was a former room-mate of someone who went to school with the inventer of soccer (this is made-up, but this is indeed something that a Canadian might say).

But anyways, enough examples as I am sure you get the point by now.

To answer your original question, most Canadians have an inferiority complex when it comes to the U.S.A. They like to see things happen that either: a) makes Canada look better than the U.S.A. (ie. Canada succeed); or b) makes U.S.A. look worse than Canada (ie. U.S.A. fail).

Saying all of this, however, I still remain a proud Canadian. I am still proud of my coutnry. I just tend to try to ignore the overly-obnoxious majority of people that surround me.

*I am sorry if all of this upset anybody here. Keep in mind that I am only referring to MOST Canadians when I typed all of this, not ALL Canadians.*

I think if you saw the US team waaay down you'd see Canadians cheering them on. As it is, they are probably the biggest Canadian rival on the ice so they don't get the cheers. Also, Canada has a thing for the underdog as well.
Canadians do not HATE the US as some would like to believe. Like any family there are times when siblings don't get along. This is the case with regard to the hockey rivalry.
Canada, as a nation, really doesn't have any hate for any other nation. Peace :)

You know this kind of rivalry is nothing compared to English football (soccer) fans. I would not recommend to go to a bar in London full of Arsenal fans with Chelsea shirt on.

what im trying to say is that this kind of rivalry is healthy compared to the English one..

Patrick's and Rabid Ranger's posts pretty much sum up why I cheer against the USA and not for the reasons they gave ;)

I don't quite get why people are having a hard time understanding why Canadians cheer for the USA to lose. A good example in this thread is Sweden and Finland. You'll never see those two cheering for each other and the same logic applies here.

I am a Canadian. I have lived in Canada my whole life.

Thus, I feel as though I am well qualified to comment on this topic, since I have associated with fellow Canadians every day of my life and know a lot about them.

I will give you an honest answer for the question you are asking.

The honest answer is: Most Canadians have a big inferiority complex when it comes to the U.S.A.

Most Canadians are always measuring themselves up against the U.S.A., whether it be in politics, economics, education, religion, movies, music, and sports. It is a part of Canadians culture to either try to 'one-up' U.S.A. in all of these aspects of life, or try to be as different as possible from the U.S.A. in all of these aspects of life so as to 'stand-out'.

A few examples of the 'chest-pounding' Canadians like to do as it relates to Canada vs. U.S.A.....

1) You will still hear Canadians talk about a war that took place almost 200 years ago (War of 1812), and how they beat the U.S.A. in that war.
2) You will hear Canadians constantly degrade George W. Bush, or whatever leader the U.S.A. has at the time, while not paying as near as much attention to the flaws of the Canadian leader.
3) You will often come across Canadians who will try to find any and all ways of proving that Canadian education is better.
4) You will often come across Canadians who will bring up the fact that Canada has free health care, and the U.S.A. does not, even when the topic had nothing to do with U.S.A. health care in the first place.
5) A lot of Canadians like to shove it is anyone's face who will listen the amount of Canadian movie stars there are and the amount of Canadians music stars there are. And these Canadian movie stars and Canadian music stars are ALWAYS the best.
6) It is fashionable for Canadians to think that if you are a Canadian, then move to the U.S.A., that you become a 'traitor' and that the country is better off without you. It is fashionable to think that if you move from Canada to the U.S.A., that you weren't worthy of being a Canadian in the first place, and that you must not have been good enough or sophisticated enough to handle Canadian way of life.
7) A lot of Canadians like to have a double-standard when it comes to a specific issue of athletics, one that not surprisingly serves to try to make Canada look more athletically dominant than they really are. This double-standard refers to the fact that people from other countries who play for Canada are 100% Canadian (see Donovan Bailey, Dany Heatley, etc.). And people from Canada who play for other countries are still 100% Canadian but are merely 'traitors' (see Brett Hull). This is absurd. A country can't take credit for Brett Hull, then continue to take credit for Donovan Bailey.
8) A lot of Canadians cling to anything that somehow makes them better at sports than the U.S.A. Or at least makes them have a bigger claim to sports than the U.S.A. Hockey is Canada's sport, because Canada is the best at it. Basketball is Canada's sport, because Canada invented it. Golf is Canada's sport, because Mike Weir won the Master's a couple of years ago. Soccer is Canada's sport, because a Canadian's great-grand-father had a cousin, whose cousin had a father, who had a best friend, who had a brother, who had a best friend who was a former room-mate of someone who went to school with the inventer of soccer (this is made-up, but this is indeed something that a Canadian might say).

But anyways, enough examples as I am sure you get the point by now.

To answer your original question, most Canadians have an inferiority complex when it comes to the U.S.A. They like to see things happen that either: a) makes Canada look better than the U.S.A. (ie. Canada succeed); or b) makes U.S.A. look worse than Canada (ie. U.S.A. fail).

Saying all of this, however, I still remain a proud Canadian. I am still proud of my coutnry. I just tend to try to ignore the overly-obnoxious majority of people that surround me.

*I am sorry if all of this upset anybody here. Keep in mind that I am only referring to MOST Canadians when I typed all of this, not ALL Canadians.*

I disagree with many of your points, however the greatest disagreement I have is the belief that Canadians somehow have an inferiority complex. Canadians, at least the great majority of them, believe they live in the greatest country in the world. There is no need to feel inferior to any others. Many of the points you used as an example of our "inferiority complex" are simply points that are raised to counter misconceptions Americans, and others, have about the US.

A lot (not all) of Canadian's dont particularly care for the USA.

That could be it.

IThe honest answer is: Most Canadians have a big inferiority complex when it comes to the U.S.A.


Utter bullcrap. If anything, Canadians have a superiority complex. Not to Americans themselves, but when it comes to our societies. Rightly or wrongly, we are smug in our belief that we live in a more compassionate, caring society.

As for hockey, I will always roots for American teams over the Russians and Czechs. Bring on an all-North American final!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812

"Although the War of 1812 ended as a victory for the Canadian side, Americans often refer to it as a stalemate and it is often only dimly remembered south of the border it established."

Hehheheh

except that canada wasn't a country in 1812...

Its just a rivalry between geographical neighboors. Normally that's who you have rivalries with so it should hardly be surprising. Obviously some of us do not like the political state in the US, which is why the US antham was booed in Montreal, but normally in hockey its just a rivalry and we chear whoever plays the US just like we Sens fans chear on whoever plays the Leafs.

I disagree with many of your points, however the greatest disagreement I have is the belief that Canadians somehow have an inferiority complex. Canadians, at least the great majority of them, believe they live in the greatest country in the world. There is no need to feel inferior to any others. Many of the points you used as an example of our "inferiority complex" are simply points that are raised to counter misconceptions Americans, and others, have about the US.

The reason most Canadians are convinced that they live in the greatest country in the world is due to the inferiority complex that they have.

They attempt to tell themselves on a daily basis that their country is the greatest, to help them deal with the anxiety and lack of security that they feel as it relates to their place in the world vs. U.S.A. It is not uncommon for people to gloat about things in order to calm down their nerves, and to give themselves a sense of security and confidence.

If they were so sure that their country was indeed the greatest, they wouldn't feel the need to constantly tell themselves and tell other people that their country was the greatest.

I disagree with many of your points, however the greatest disagreement I have is the belief that Canadians somehow have an inferiority complex. Canadians, at least the great majority of them, believe they live in the greatest country in the world. There is no need to feel inferior to any others. Many of the points you used as an example of our "inferiority complex" are simply points that are raised to counter misconceptions Americans, and others, have about the US.

Not a word out of place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812

"Although the War of 1812 ended as a victory for the Canadian side, Americans often refer to it as a stalemate and it is often only dimly remembered south of the border it established."

Hehheheh
That would be the British. Canada was a British Colony back in 1812

The U.S. and Canada have never fought in a war.

Look at your own link

Combatants
United States British Empire

If they were so sure that their country was indeed the greatest, they wouldn't feel the need to constantly tell themselves and tell other people that their country was the greatest.

As opposed to Americans?

The reason most Canadians are convinced that they live in the greatest country in the world is due to the inferiority complex that they have.

They attempt to tell themselves on a daily basis that their country is the greatest, to help them deal with the anxiety and lack of security that they feel as it relates to their place in the world vs. U.S.A. It is not uncommon for people to gloat about things in order to calm down their nerves, and to give themselves a sense of security and confidence.

If they were so sure that their country was indeed the greatest, they wouldn't feel the need to constantly tell themselves and tell other people that their country was the greatest.

And Americans never say the same thing about their country?

This topic has nothing to do with any of the pretentious psycho-babble you have spewed out. The plain and simple truth is we are RIVALS. Just like the Leafs/Sens,Yankees/Red Sox..the list goes on.

Utter bullcrap. If anything, Canadians have a superiority complex. Not to Americans themselves, but when it comes to our societies. Rightly or wrongly, we are smug in our belief that we live in a more compassionate, caring society.

As for hockey, I will always roots for American teams over the Russians and Czechs. Bring on an all-North American final!

We are smug due to an inferiority complex. We feel the need to seek out things that supposedly makes Canada the best so as to not feel inferior. And when we find these supposed things we cling to them constantly, and get smug and arrogant, in order to boost up our security and confidence levels, so that we can be convinced that Canada does 'match-up' with the U.S.A.

It is sometimes odd how one's psyche works. Believe me, I know.

I disagree with many of your points, however the greatest disagreement I have is the belief that Canadians somehow have an inferiority complex. Canadians, at least the great majority of them, believe they live in the greatest country in the world. There is no need to feel inferior to any others. Many of the points you used as an example of our "inferiority complex" are simply points that are raised to counter misconceptions Americans, and others, have about the US.

it's more that the tendency to compare themselves to the US and take any opportunity to put the US down makes it seem like canadians have an inferiority complex. like they're always trying to measure themselves against the US, even if no one is asking them to. i lived in canada for awhile and i got that a fair amount (though it was fairly good natured). i also learned that canadians don't always know as much about the US and what they're complaining about as they think they do...


That would be the British. Canada was a British Colony back in 1812

The U.S. and Canada have never fought in a war.


thank you

I disagree with many of your points, however the greatest disagreement I have is the belief that Canadians somehow have an inferiority complex. Canadians, at least the great majority of them, believe they live in the greatest country in the world. There is no need to feel inferior to any others. Many of the points you used as an example of our "inferiority complex" are simply points that are raised to counter misconceptions Americans, and others, have about the US.
No doubt. As well, the Heatley/Hull example was a joke. Heatley was basically raised his whole life in Canada, which Brett Hull was as well. They are both about as much German & American as I am Ukranian (my great grand parents were). Same goes for Bryan Trottier playing for the States (thats about as stupid as it gets).
The Ben Johnson,Bailey examples are a wholly different matter.

As opposed to Americans?

Hey, I am not talking about why Americans may or may not hate Canada here.

It is very possible that Americans have the same inferiority complex that I speak of.

I haven't talked about it because that was not what the original poster was asking about,

And Americans never say the same thing about their country?

This topic has nothing to do with any of the pretentious psycho-babble you have spewed out. The plain and simple truth is we are RIVALS. Just like the Leafs/Sens,Yankees/Red Sox..the list goes on.

You think Canadians hate American sports teams only because of a rivalry?

You think that politics, way of life, and us vs. them type things, don't enter into most Canadians minds when they boo Americans?

Hey, I am not talking about why Americans may or may not hate Canada here.

It is very possible that Americans have the same inferiority complex that I speak of.

I haven't talked about it because that was not what the original poster was asking about,

I think there are people in every country who feel inferior and there are others in each country who won't shut up about how superior their country is in comparison to the rest of the world.

You run into trouble when you tar everyone with the same brush.

I do not consider myself inferior, but have always been impressed with American nationalism and have at times wondered why Canadians are not more vocal. That is changing as time goes on and imo it's a good thing.

Nothing wrong with letting people know you're a proud Canadian.

The reason most Canadians are convinced that they live in the greatest country in the world is due to the inferiority complex that they have.

If they were so sure that their country was indeed the greatest, they wouldn't feel the need to constantly tell themselves and tell other people that their country was the greatest.

No, not quite. Canadians often feel a need to tell others about how great we are not out of inferiority, but out of lack of recognition. If you're being ignored on the world stage etc, then you crow about things to try and get noticed, to get your due or "props" in the modern vernacular. A subtle distinction, and one that is often mistaken for an inferiority complex.

As for the booing, I find it extremely tacky. Always have. It's boorish, and frankly reflects poorly on us as a country, and hockey fans. I haven't boo'd any team or player for decades, when I was a teenager who didn't know any better.

You want to cheer for the other team because of rivalry, fine, go ahead. Cheer on Sweden or Latvia with all your gusto as they play the US. But don't boo, it makes us look like idiots.

And Americans never say the same thing about their country?

This topic has nothing to do with any of the pretentious psycho-babble you have spewed out. The plain and simple truth is we are RIVALS. Just like the Leafs/Sens,Yankees/Red Sox..the list goes on.
If you ask the average American. (Escpecially if they aren't a hockey fan) they aren't aware of a rivalry.
The average American sees Canada as our friendly neighbor to the North.

That would be the British. Canada was a British Colony back in 1812

The U.S. and Canada have never fought in a war.

Look at your own link

Yeah I am fully aware of that.

"Although the United States was officially at war with Great Britain, more than half of the British forces were made up of Canadian militia."

Whether Canada was a recognized country or a British Colony doesn't matter, these people identified themselves as Canadian. That's what I was getting at.

You think Canadians hate American sports teams only because of a rivalry?

You think that politics, way of life, and us vs. them type things, don't enter into most Canadians minds when they boo Americans?

Reilly? Is that you?

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7) A lot of Canadians like to have a double-standard when it comes to a specific issue of athletics, one that not surprisingly serves to try to make Canada look more athletically dominant than they really are. This double-standard refers to the fact that people from other countries who play for Canada are 100% Canadian (see Donovan Bailey, Dany Heatley, etc.). And people from Canada who play for other countries are still 100% Canadian but are merely 'traitors' (see Brett Hull). This is absurd. A country can't take credit for Brett Hull, then continue to take credit for Donovan Bailey.
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It has nothing to do with hockey, but your post made me remember a lot about the whole Greg Rusedski defection..

Yeah I am fully aware of that.

"Although the United States was officially at war with Great Britain, more than half of the British forces were made up of Canadian militia."

Whether Canada was a recognized country or a British Colony doesn't matter, these people identified themselves as Canadian. That's what I was getting at.
So when the Native Americans attacked the Vikings back in the 1400's was that a United States Victory that we should include with WWI, The Spanish American War, the US-Mexican War, Korea, etc

And how come we never here about the American involvement in the French and Indian War back in 1750.

The answer to both of these is that the U.S. did not yet exist, just as an Independent Canadian Country didn't in 1812.

I think there are people in every country who feel inferior and there are others in each country who won't shut up about how superior their country is in comparison to the rest of the world.

I agree with that.

You run into trouble when you tar everyone with the same brush.

I didn't do that. I tried to even put a dislaimer in my original post that I was not referring to ALL Canadians.

I do not consider myself inferior, but have always been impressed with American nationalism and have at times wondered why Canadians are not more vocal. That is changing as time goes on and imo it's a good thing.

Nothing wrong with letting people know you're a proud Canadian.

I suppose there is nothing wrong with being proud and patriotic of one's country. A certain degree of pride and patriotism is a good thing.

However, it can get to the point of being 'over the top'. Growing up, I always liked Canada's pride and patriotism. It existed, but not the extent that American pride and patriotism exist, which was a good thing in my opinion.

Recently, however, Canada seems to have gotten out of control, and too much like the U.S.A. when it comes to being proud and patriotic.

It seems as though you can't get into one long conversation anymore with most fellow Canadians without them bringing up something that is supposedly great about Canada. This is a little too much pride and patriotism, in my opinion.

The answer to both of these is that the U.S. did not yet exist, just as an Independent Canadian Country didn't in 1812.

I don't think anyone was talking about an independent Canadian country - just Canada, regardless of its official status as a nation.

If they were so sure that their country was indeed the greatest, they wouldn't feel the need to constantly tell themselves and tell other people that their country was the greatest.

What a pile of crap. Americans are always telling the world that their country is the greatest. I never would have guessed it's because they have an inferiority complex.

So when the Native Americans attacked the Vikings back in the 1400's was that a United States Victory that we should include with WWI, The Spanish American War, the US-Mexican War, Korea, etc

And how come we never here about the American involvement in the French and Indian War back in 1750.

The answer to both of these is that the U.S. did not yet exist, just as an Independent Canadian Country didn't in 1812.

Yawn.

Ok, you keep on with your apples and oranges. I'm not going to worry about it anymore.

ferns8916: I should have said "a person" instead of "you", it implied you personally which wasn't my intent.

Looks like we've both noticed a more verbal patriotism in Canada over the last few years and have different viewpoints.

Yeah I am fully aware of that.

"Although the United States was officially at war with Great Britain, more than half of the British forces were made up of Canadian militia."

Whether Canada was a recognized country or a British Colony doesn't matter, these people identified themselves as Canadian. That's what I was getting at.


there was no canada. are you taking pride in the fact that britain didnt want its own troops to do a lot of the dirty work so it used men from its colony because they were more expendable? canada didnt burn down the us capital. britain did. it was not a canadian-american conflict. it was a british-american one.

Yawn.

Ok, you keep on with your apples and oranges. I'm not going to worry about it anymore.
You're obviously worried or you wouldn't have replied or posted it in the first place.

The honest answer is: Most Canadians have a big inferiority complex when it comes to the U.S.A.
I have lived in Canada my whole life and I have never heard one Canadian say "I wish I was American" or "I wish I lived in the States". If anything, most Canadians feel superior to Americans for some reason, at least morally if not financially.
1) You will still hear Canadians talk about a war that took place almost 200 years ago (War of 1812), and how they beat the U.S.A. in that war..
Fiction. The average Canadian couldn't tell you who fought in the War of 1812. One poster mentioned it here in passing and I commented on it as I have studied it at some length. It's not like CBC made a TV movie about it to brag about the incident at all.
2) You will hear Canadians constantly degrade George W. Bush, or whatever leader the U.S.A. has at the time, while not paying as near as much attention to the flaws of the Canadian leader.
Nobody criticizes their leadership like the Canadians do. Even a PM who is doing a reasonably good job is going to get lambasted in this country. Unlike the leaders of our southern neighbours, we don't consider it "unpatriotic" to critique our leaders. As for the criticisms of George W. Bush...well, that is a global phenomenon at this point, isn't it, with some justification.
3) You will often come across Canadians who will try to find any and all ways of proving that Canadian education is better.
Haven't really noticed this, but you may be right.
I will point out that I have set up investment accounts for "university graduates" from the USA (ah, the magic of athletic scholarships) and some of these people were unfamiliar with Grade 10 math or english.
4) You will often come across Canadians who will bring up the fact that Canada has free health care, and the U.S.A. does not, even when the topic had nothing to do with U.S.A. health care in the first place.
Like in this case.
5) A lot of Canadians like to shove it is anyone's face who will listen the amount of Canadian movie stars there are and the amount of Canadians music stars there are. And these Canadian movie stars and Canadian music stars are ALWAYS the best.
Not sure I agree...it would be nice if more Canadians took pride in our country's performers, but just as many Canadians love making fun of Celine Dion or Alex Trebek or William Shatner...
6) It is fashionable for Canadians to think that if you are a Canadian, then move to the U.S.A., that you become a 'traitor' and that the country is better off without you. It is fashionable to think that if you move from Canada to the U.S.A., that you weren't worthy of being a Canadian in the first place, and that you must not have been good enough or sophisticated enough to handle Canadian way of life.
I sense you are speaking from personal experience. Did you move to the States? Personally, I've got no problem with someone who is able to make money in the USA.
7) A lot of Canadians like to have a double-standard when it comes to a specific issue of athletics, one that not surprisingly serves to try to make Canada look more athletically dominant than they really are. This double-standard refers to the fact that people from other countries who play for Canada are 100% Canadian (see Donovan Bailey, Dany Heatley, etc.). And people from Canada who play for other countries are still 100% Canadian but are merely 'traitors' (see Brett Hull). This is absurd. A country can't take credit for Brett Hull, then continue to take credit for Donovan Bailey.
Come on. Heatley was born in Germany but came to Canada as an infantand was raised in the Canadian hockey system. Hull was an adult by the time Team Canada cut him and he decided to go play for the USA. And I have never met a Canadian who wanted to take "credit" from Brett Hull, thanks.
8) A lot of Canadians cling to anything that somehow makes them better at sports than the U.S.A. Or at least makes them have a bigger claim to sports than the U.S.A. Hockey is Canada's sport, because Canada is the best at it. Basketball is Canada's sport, because Canada invented it. Golf is Canada's sport, because Mike Weir won the Master's a couple of years ago. Soccer is Canada's sport, because a Canadian's great-grand-father had a cousin, whose cousin had a father, who had a best friend, who had a brother, who had a best friend who was a former room-mate of someone who went to school with the inventer of soccer (this is made-up, but this is indeed something that a Canadian might say).
Please, I have never heard ANY Canadian say that Basketball is "Canada's sport", in spite of the fact that a Canadian is the NBA MVP.

Haven't read thru the entire thread, but just wanted to throw in my two cents. I have no problem with Canadian fans wanting the US to lose. Its the rivalry, they are regarded as two of the top teams. I do not feel there are political implications to Canadians boo'ing US. Even if there are, they are not very mean spirited more like competition among friends.

As a proud American, feel free to boo away.

I was at the game, and I wasn't cheering against the US, I was cheering for Finland. People like to see underdog teams win, so that helped the crowd pick a side too.

Honestly, who can't say that they've cheered for a team that they don't like or are ambivalent about when they are playing a hated rival. If it was Russia vs Finland, people would've cheered for the Fins and no one would've gone on about how it's all about nationalism and the alleged Canadian infiriority/superiority complex, or any of that crap.

Besides, every country in the world likes to play itself up on the international stage. I've seen plenty of instances of the US thumping its chest and proclaiming its superiority over the rest of the world. I've watched US television shows take uninformed and utterly ridiculous shots at Canada via tired stereotypes and the same jokes ("eh", mounties, the cold, etc). It's stupid, pointless bravado that all nations engage in, and I accept that there will be just as much USA-bashing from Canada as there will be Canada-bashing from the USA. What really gets me is that when the USA engages in chest-thumping, it's "patriotic". When Canada does it, it's "whining". There's no difference, and people should treat it as such.

But that's getting off my original topic. There were a lot of people of all ages at that game wearing Finland jerseys, Finland hats, Finland shirts, and I know that a lot of them weren't Finnish. So the crowd was as much pro-Finnish as it was anti-US.

The answer has been brought up many times, and it's as clear as day. The US is Canada's biggest rival at this tournament, which is in Canada, and so the crowd is naturally going to cheer for Finland. The fact that it bothers anyone astounds me. It's identical to a situation someone already brought up - Oilers vs. Flames (or any other NHL rivalry). If the Flames were playing the Thrashers in Edmonton, would you expect the crowd to cheer Calgary on?

I don't think it has anything to do with politics, and certainly not with some ridiculous, and more than likely mythical, "inferiority complex" (which seems to me to be based on nothing more than stereotypes). In order for Canada to win, they might have to go through the US. The Canadian crowd would like to see the likelihood of that happening shrink.

Recently, however, Canada seems to have gotten out of control, and too much like the U.S.A. when it comes to being proud and patriotic.

This seems kind of a funny thing to say based on what you have been typing.

It seems as though you can't get into one long conversation anymore with most fellow Canadians without them bringing up something that is supposedly great about Canada. This is a little too much pride and patriotism, in my opinion.

You can never have too much pride and patriotism in your country... any country.

USA and Canada are in the same Pool. At this year's tournament the biggest rival to Canada is USA. Let's say if USA lose to Finland yesterday and tie Switzerland Canada will finish first in their pool. That is why people want to the USA to lose. If it was the other way around the Americans would be doing the same thing to the Canadian players.

Just to clarify, Brett Hull was raised in both countries. He was born in Belleville, Ont. but played years of his minor hockey in Chicago when his dad was with the Black Hawks. When his parents divorced, Brett moved to BC and played junior there, he then played college hockey in Duluth, Minn. After college, 95% of his pro hockey career was spent in the USA, as well. In 1986, Canada coach Dave King turned Brett down for a spot on the Canadian National Team for the World Championships in Moscow, while US coach Dave Peterson offered Brett a spot on the US team. Of course, Brett wanted to play so he took the US offer, and Brett remained loyal to the US program for the rest of his international career. He was anything but a "traitor"...

As to the other points about a rivalry, the US/Canada rivalry really only exists between the respective players, Canadian fans and a few American fans who know the game. The rest of America could care less about hockey or a rivalry. I live in an NHL city (Denver) and there are two U of Denver players on Team USA, but there has not been a single line of coverage in the Denver post about this tournament - sad really.

As for Canadian fans continously booing American teenagers in Vancouver, I don't find it all that humorous. I find it sad. I usually see Canada as a sophisticated country that is above that level of fan behavior - Vancouver is an Olympic City, and if they behave that way by booing American athletes (or anyone else) in 2012, it's going to look very bad for the city and country. Canadian national teams are not booed when they play in the USA, and I think American teams deserve that same level of fan respect, especially teenagers.

Its called a rivalry, just like Finland wouldn't want Sweden to win, or Red Sox don't want the Yankees to win, and flames fans don't want the oilers to win.

If it was 20 years ago, and the US were playing Russia, Canadian fans woulda cheered for the US, but now the Canada US rivalry isn't as strong.

I hope you don't actually believe that LOL

Oh, I don't know. I think there's some truth to it.

What a pile of crap. Americans are always telling the world that their country is the greatest. I never would have guessed it's because they have an inferiority complex.
Exactly. US pounds their chest as much as anyone. News to me they have an inferirity complex.
Actually, one of the things that bugs me as a Canadian is that we are, imo, way to reserved in our patriotisim.

I think its in all fun and rivalries. With the US becoming a solid hockey nation its caused a large rivalry from Canada because we still think we're number 1 and well we are.

Russia slipped and the US have improved and taken over as the biggest rivalry towards Canada. The way Canadians and American's act are due to the rivalry factor but not much towards hatred.

The hatred is when ppl boo the other countries nation anthem, and IMO thats just wrong.

It's fun to watch Canada and US play because of how the teams get ready to play, battle like its a war but yet at the end of the game most of the guys still have respect for eachother or are friends. Don't forget many americans play hockey with canadians and vice versa. The patriotism brought out during these games also show the love that both countries have.

Somewhere between fern's psychoanalysis of the Canadian psyche and the simplistic "rivalry" arguments is the truth. There is a stereotypical degradation of American culture, politics and values in Canadian society(and Canadian MSM) and some of it may stem from an inferiority complex and/or resentment towards American policies and actions. That is a whole other argument but that attitude does intrude into sports, unfortunately.

A couple of years ago a Canadian actor became famous with a ridiculously patronizing "I am Canadian" chant in a beer commercial. It was painful for me to watch so of course it became a huge hit. Fans chanted it out loud at games and it spawned copies and clothing lines. The main thrust of the commercial was how Canadians were better than Americans. The actor then took his 5 minutes of fame and moved to Hollywood...

If it was just rivalry, why would ignorant Canadians boo the American anthem? Cheer and boo your brains out during the game as you see fit, but if we showed a little respect for the other country it would go a long way. A little disrepect goes even further, as this thread shows.

And another thing, Tip or go home.

I wouldn't go as far as to call it an inferiority complex --- but, on the world stage, it's hard to deny that the world sees Canada as the US's little brother, or 'that cold country north of the US'.
I have dual US/UK citizenship and have been around the world numerous times and although extremely respected, Canada is sort of seen as insignificant..........and by this I mean no disrespect to Canada or Canadians, but it's just my honest experience.
Very little of 'north american' culture (sports, music, entertainment, politics, intellectual movements, etc.) is actually seen as truely Canadian.
Hockey is the obvious exception, and is something that Canada has in it's blood. It's something Canadians can truely say is theirs.
I can see the sentiment of Canadians not wanting to lose 'superiority', 'identity', or 'ownership' of their game to the americans too.
Again, I'm not trying' to put anyone down.......JMHO

When i opened hf boards this morning and saw this thread my first thought was "there can't be any good that will come out of this"

When i opened hf boards this morning and saw this thread my first thought was "there can't be any good that will come out of this"

Exactly. This whole thread is silly, like one poster said, if the roles were reversed and Canada was playing Finland in a close one I would be rooting for Finland simply because Canada is the biggest obstacle towards victory. If on the last day of the regular season, lets say my favorite team was a US team in the 8th spot by 1 point and needed a loss by a Canadian team currently 9th, to make the playoffs. Does that mean I hate Canada if I am cheering for the team to defeat them to propel my favorite team, from the US, into the playoffs? I think not.

Exactly. This whole thread is silly, like one poster said, if the roles were reversed and Canada was playing Finland in a close one I would be rooting for Finland simply because Canada is the biggest obstacle towards victory. If on the last day of the regular season, lets say my favorite team was a US team in the 8th spot by 1 point and needed a loss by a Canadian team currently 9th, to make the playoffs. Does that mean I hate Canada if I am cheering for the team to defeat them to propel my favorite team, from the US, into the playoffs? I think not.
Cheering for another Country's team is fine.

Booing is crossing the line.

Please, I have never heard ANY Canadian say that Basketball is "Canada's sport", in spite of the fact that a Canadian is the NBA MVP.


Who is that?

Who is that?
Steve Nash.

Come on. Heatley was born in Germany but came to Canada as an infantand was raised in the Canadian hockey system.

I think its important to point out that Dany Heatley was born to Canadian parents living abroad. His father (Canadian born) was playing hockey in Germany at the time. Dany was a Canadian citizen at the moment of birth (I believe it was the Visiting Forces Act that allowed this, somebody can correct me).

And the fact that Dany was raised in Canada should further make that point absolutely ridiculous.

Cheering for another Country's team is fine.

Booing is crossing the line.

oh no, booing, c'mon, if the players are affected by booing they're a bunch of *******. Seriously they've been booed before, u18'S, college rivalries, they should learn to block that stuff out by now, you're not gonna play in the NHL if you can't handle it. When Canada and US play the fans will cheer for Canada and boo the US, that's what being a fan is all about. This is what happens in a rivalry, the fans aren't booing the praticular players, they're booing the sweaters the players wear. Maybe the US isn't use to being booed, but in Canada were used to being booed at every international competition. You should take it as a compliment that the US is good enough to the point where they are now Canada's #1 rival.

Maybe I'm a bit pollyannish because I grew up in Detroit, grew up watching HNIC on CBC, and have always visited Windsor alot: but why do the majority of Canadian fans cheer for whoever the US is playing? In my book, I want the US to finish 1'st and Canada 2'nd. If we can't win, I want our neighbors to win. My impression is Canada wants Canada to win, but if their team stumbled they would want anyone else but the US to win.

I work in downtown and have several Windsor residents on our staff. I see the commerce (trucks) pass back and forth on the Ambassador bridge every day as our two countries depend upon each other. Several Canadians work in our office. I regularily watch mostly Canadian boys play in Plymouth MI in the OHL. I love my country the US, but Canada is a close second (your beer is the best). Why do Canadian fans want the U.S. to lose? I cheer for Canada every game, except for when they play the U.S..

As a Canadian, I have noticed that many Canadians are prejudiced against Americans. It is due in part to jealously of the power of the US and in part to our nation's pacifist nature - the majority of this country is anti-war and really, anti-anything conservative.

Myself, I love the USA. I have many American friends and my favorite active hockey player is American (Doug Weight).

I think many Canadians are being stereotypically Canadian and that is sad.

I wouldn't say I want the USA to lose. At the same time, I definitely don't want them to win...

Last night I was cheering for Finland, and it has alot to do with the tremendous ammount of respect I think they deserve in icing a fairly competitive team.

They sure as heck aren't the biggest country in the world, and they still send good teams to the tournament.

When the USA plays Canada, I wants the USA to lose (obviously).
When the USA plays Finland, I want the USA to lose.
When the USA plays Russia, I want to see a good game (and normally do).
When the USA plays Sweden, I want to see a good game (and normally do)

There are no teams that I want to see the USA win against specifically, however I certainly do not wish them ill will, nor do I want to see them cheated out of a game or anything of that manner.

Interesting sidebar: I was at my barber today, getting my haircut, and he told me about a local area team who was invited out to the US for a tournament (not a big deal, a small local area tournament likely). When the team made it to the finals they were approached by the ref, and told, prior to the game, that he was going to do everything in his power to make sure that "you Canadians" as he put it, lost...too bad not even the ref could shut down the scoring machine that the team was...

It goes both ways, but to tell the truth, I know way too many Canadians who seem to think that anything American is bad, and anything an American does is bad. It makes me sick. More often than not I have to tell people to look up the facts about anything that has to do with America and give them a lesson in the truth about situations. It seems like being "anti American" is a growing fad, and that's just not right.

I think its important to point out that Dany Heatley was born to Canadian parents living abroad. His father (Canadian born) was playing hockey in Germany at the time. Dany was a Canadian citizen at the moment of birth (I believe it was the Visiting Forces Act that allowed this, somebody can correct me).

And the fact that Dany was raised in Canada should further make that point absolutely ridiculous.

Just like Steen being Swedish. His dad Tomas Steen was playing in Winnipeg, Alexander was born, and they eventually moved back home. Alexander Steen is a Swede--and what a Swede!!!

As a Canadian, I have noticed that many Canadians are prejudiced against Americans. It is due in part to jealously of the power of the US and in part to our nation's pacifist nature - the majority of this country is anti-war and really, anti-anything conservative.

Myself, I love the USA. I have many American friends and my favorite active hockey player is American (Doug Weight).

I think many Canadians are being stereotypically Canadian and that is sad.
Yep, just like Americans being stereotypically American and that is even more sad thank you very much. Have you noticed that there are as many AMericans prejudiced against Canada? Don't make Canada the one sided coin chum.

Just like Steen being Swedish. His dad Tomas Steen was playing in Winnipeg, Alexander was born, and they eventually moved back home. Alexander Steen is a Swede--and what a Swede!!!

Yeah, eventually... Like when he was 15. Actually I skated with Thomas and Alexander this summer in Winnipeg, he and his dad were back visiting like they often do. Both really nice and genuine guys.

Yes their is a tremendous insecurity with Canucks, especially left wing Canucks vis a vis the States and one thing Vancouver has is a lot of liberal nuts who hate the States.......by the same token, their is a stream of Canucks who are unbearingly smug and somehow think we are superior to America (we are not in any form or fashion save for Hockey)...........we have both streams here and they are both annoying as all hell.......

As a Albertan first and foremost, I love the States and what she does for us and I can't stand what the Left has done here in Canada and is trying to do in the States also............we are indoctrinated from Grade 1 to worship the nanny state here and hate America..........thankfully, probably most Canucks see through this left wing bs but obviously many don't........these would be your type that hate America and will boo anything you do, from your Anthem to your Junior players..

Do not worry......when our country separates as it will soon from either Quebec or Alberta, you will see our balkanized parts lining up too be your good friend and ally and the idiocy that is Anti Americanism will take a back seat to far more important things...

Remember when Canada is attacked by terrorists (which again is only a matter of time) the hypocrites that were booing your great nation will be the first to clamour for your help.......

In the meantime, try not too take it personally......many of us up here love America especially out here in Alberta..........we hate Ottawa and the seat of govt. as much as anyone out here and rightfully so....

So here's to a great junior Tournament for America and Russia (my 2 fav teams) and when Alberta gets it own team, that will be my absolute fav... :handclap:

Thanks

I am a Canadian. I have lived in Canada my whole life.

Thus, I feel as though I am well qualified to comment on this topic, since I have associated with fellow Canadians every day of my life and know a lot about them.

I will give you an honest answer for the question you are asking.

The honest answer is: Most Canadians have a big inferiority complex when it comes to the U.S.A.

Explain... Why can't people dislike the United States? Why is it always jealousy. Only by ignoring the foreign policy, the tariffs imposed on Canadian exports, the American elitist attitude so often encountered by travelling Canadians etc, the policing of the world by one nation..., could you actually come to the conclusion you came to and honestly believe it.

Most Canadians are always measuring themselves up against the U.S.A., whether it be in politics, economics, education, religion, movies, music, and sports. It is a part of Canadians culture to either try to 'one-up' U.S.A. in all of these aspects of life, or try to be as different as possible from the U.S.A. in all of these aspects of life so as to 'stand-out'.

A few examples of the 'chest-pounding' Canadians like to do as it relates to Canada vs. U.S.A.....

I agree that there is a certain segment of the Canadian populous that fits your description, however I would say that it's far less than you think.

1) You will still hear Canadians talk about a war that took place almost 200 years ago (War of 1812), and how they beat the U.S.A. in that war.

The United States celebrates the War of Independance with a national holiday even though it took place before the war of 1812... What's the difference?

2) You will hear Canadians constantly degrade George W. Bush, or whatever leader the U.S.A. has at the time, while not paying as near as much attention to the flaws of the Canadian leader.

Totally inaccurate. Canadians degrade George Bush for his questionable policies. Rarely do Canadians ever degrade Bill Clinton or any other American President other than Bush Sr. and Jr.

3) You will often come across Canadians who will try to find any and all ways of proving that Canadian education is better.

No, you will find Canadians who share the opinion that their education is better. Whether they are correct or not is for another debate but someone's opinion, especially when backed by credible points, is certainly not any sort of evidence of Canadians trying to one-up the USA.

4) You will often come across Canadians who will bring up the fact that Canada has free health care, and the U.S.A. does not, even when the topic had nothing to do with U.S.A. health care in the first place.

So what? You're telling me that Canadians just hop into random conversations and tell people about their free health care? Please... You'll find just as many Americans who will speak favourably of Canada's free health care anyway...

5) A lot of Canadians like to shove it is anyone's face who will listen the amount of Canadian movie stars there are and the amount of Canadians music stars there are. And these Canadian movie stars and Canadian music stars are ALWAYS the best.

Again, the amount of Canadians who do this is very small. Take a look at the album sales in Canada and it clearly supports the fact that the Canadian entertainment consumer rarely considers nationality when buying...

6) It is fashionable for Canadians to think that if you are a Canadian, then move to the U.S.A., that you become a 'traitor' and that the country is better off without you. It is fashionable to think that if you move from Canada to the U.S.A., that you weren't worthy of being a Canadian in the first place, and that you must not have been good enough or sophisticated enough to handle Canadian way of life.

It's fashionable for certain Canadians to do so, sure. Would it be any different if the situation were reversed and it was an Aerican moving to Canada? No... A small number of people would still have that overly patriotic point of view you described.

7) A lot of Canadians like to have a double-standard when it comes to a specific issue of athletics, one that not surprisingly serves to try to make Canada look more athletically dominant than they really are. This double-standard refers to the fact that people from other countries who play for Canada are 100% Canadian (see Donovan Bailey, Dany Heatley, etc.). And people from Canada who play for other countries are still 100% Canadian but are merely 'traitors' (see Brett Hull). This is absurd. A country can't take credit for Brett Hull, then continue to take credit for Donovan Bailey.

Yes, they can. In one respect you are talking about athletes who immigrated to Canada, often during the infant years, and have decided to represent their country which they consider to be their homeland.

Hull, is totally different. He chose to play for team USA because in the beginning, he wasn't good enough to play for team Canada. That's fine. If he feels more loyalty to the United States, great. Canadians don't like his reasoning, that's it.

8) A lot of Canadians cling to anything that somehow makes them better at sports than the U.S.A. Or at least makes them have a bigger claim to sports than the U.S.A. Hockey is Canada's sport, because Canada is the best at it. Basketball is Canada's sport, because Canada invented it. Golf is Canada's sport, because Mike Weir won the Master's a couple of years ago. Soccer is Canada's sport, because a Canadian's great-grand-father had a cousin, whose cousin had a father, who had a best friend, who had a brother, who had a best friend who was a former room-mate of someone who went to school with the inventer of soccer (this is made-up, but this is indeed something that a Canadian might say).

You exaggerate a lot...

But anyways, enough examples as I am sure you get the point by now.

To answer your original question, most Canadians have an inferiority complex when it comes to the U.S.A. They like to see things happen that either: a) makes Canada look better than the U.S.A. (ie. Canada succeed); or b) makes U.S.A. look worse than Canada (ie. U.S.A. fail).

Saying all of this, however, I still remain a proud Canadian. I am still proud of my coutnry. I just tend to try to ignore the overly-obnoxious majority of people that surround me.

*I am sorry if all of this upset anybody here. Keep in mind that I am only referring to MOST Canadians when I typed all of this, not ALL Canadians.*

No you aren't. You are referring to a small segment of the Canadian population. You could go to the United States tommorow and find just as many ignorant people who share these radical views you described.

A stalemate where the American capital ended up burning, of course.
It would probably be a little tougher to do now, mind you.
;)
I've got no particular problem with the American team, they are our biggest competition in winning this tourney, that's all. Any losses by the Americans makes the road tougher for them and easier for us.
We just want Canada to take gold.
First of all, Canada (well, Britain at the time) ended up with Toronto. Hard to call it a win when you end up with Toronto. ;)

On topic, I think it's pretty sad. Americans would always prefer Canada to win than any of the Europeans team, but I think it comes from the general inferiority complex Canadians seem to have ... they always compare themselves to the Americans, and take a ton of pride in the things they do better; and blame the Americans for a lot of the things that go wrong (see the Toronto violence surge, and the references to it being due to the American culture influence instead of the problems in Toronto.)

Yep, just like Americans being stereotypically American and that is even more sad thank you very much. Have you noticed that there are as many AMericans prejudiced against Canada? Don't make Canada the one sided coin chum.

American predjudice against Canada???

Most Americans Know nothing about Canada.....Like 2% of our population lives within 100 miles of the Canadian Border while like 95% of Canada lives within 100 miles of the US border. There is nothing negative about that, its just Americans don't know or care to know.

As long as you aren't sneaking over the border with truck loads of your cousins to wash our dishes, Americans barely know Canada is there.

I feel confident in making the blanket statement Americans as whole don't care about much that happens outside the US in general. They don't even know if Canadians like them or not.

I think if you ask most Americans about Canada all they know about Canada is Hockey. And maybe beer.

Btw, good too see many of my fellow Canucks here to see through this reflex Anti American idiocy and good too see my American friends also who understand what it is all about.....

For the most part, excellent posts and not too many idiotic insecure canucks on board to spew their idiotic hatred of America!!

Good Stuff!!!

Without reading all that here - I can remember an article during the 96 World Cup of Hockey which I think inherits a lot of truth! I try to quote it it as far as I can

" The US has four major league sports and a lot more sports heroes than hockey players. So if they loose - that's not a big problem for them."

on the other hand after the final I can remember the headline ..

"20 american hockey player struck in the heart of 28 Million Canadians"

What I wanne say is ... isn't it the significance of the sports that makes the difference?!? If the Canadians loose to anyone - the nation feels down. The more if the big neighbor beats them in their last front garden. On the other hand ... hockey isn't that important in the states so they can be more patronizing than on the other side of the border ...

I hate the States about as mcuh as I hate Alberta. Actually wuite a bit less, since only half of the US are George Bush supporting... while more than half of Alberta falls under that category. I think that a lot of Canadians have similar sentiments though with less animosity for Alberta and more disregard. But like I said its mainly rivalry. Even if the States don't give a damn about us, we still see it as a rivalry and that is only natural (I mean almost all geographical neighboors are rivals and its not our fault if the US doesn't care about us).

Also, Canada is still technically under the rule of the British crown just as we were in 1812. I think its fair for us to claim victory.

Yeah don't worry so much. When USA plays Russia we will see who the real booing is for. Canadians just give America a hard time because of recent polotics.


the booing has nothing to do with recent politics.... the fans aren't booing teenagers because of recent choices made by their political leader which they have no control over. It is just because of they are the favourite going into the tourney and our closest rival....

A stalemate where the American capital ended up burning, of course.
It would probably be a little tougher to do now, mind you.
;)
I've got no particular problem with the American team, they are our biggest competition in winning this tourney, that's all. Any losses by the Americans makes the road tougher for them and easier for us.
We just want Canada to take gold.
You don't want to mess with America now, not with who our current president is...he'll invade you just for the fun of it.

You don't want to mess with America now, not with who our current president is...he'll invade you just for the fun of it.

Wouldnt take much to do so :biglaugh:

Yep, just like Americans being stereotypically American and that is even more sad thank you very much. Have you noticed that there are as many AMericans prejudiced against Canada? Don't make Canada the one sided coin chum.

Can you explain to me what the stereotypical American is? This should be funny...

I think because with Canada Hockey is the sport we are the best at. And everyone knows it. We cant beat the US in Football, Basketball or Baseball but Hockey we can and we do. I dont remember there being a bias against USA Hockey until about '96 after the World Cup. We felt shattered that we had lost the last thing that we could beat the Americans at. Before '96 it was always a Canada-Russia rivalry in hockey since the US was never a big threat. And it still is especially in the WJC.

but to me the Canada-USA is still just a bit behind the Canada-Russia rivalry. We love to beat Americans, and some we hate too (Tkachuk, Hull, Chelios, Hatcher) so it is sweet to beat them, but there is just more of an aura with Can/Rus because of the history. Personally I dont care who wins in a USA vs. Russia game, just as long as we beat the winner of that game.

As a Canadian, I have noticed that many Canadians are prejudiced against Americans. It is due in part to jealously of the power of the US and in part to our nation's pacifist nature - the majority of this country is anti-war and really, anti-anything conservative.
I think many Canadians are being stereotypically Canadian and that is sad.
Actually, Canadians "hate your freedoms".
Because God knows your country's actions and policies couldn't cause people to dislike you, right?
:shakehead

I am a Canadian. I have lived in Canada my whole life.

Thus, I feel as though I am well qualified to comment on this topic, since I have associated with fellow Canadians every day of my life and know a lot about them.

I will give you an honest answer for the question you are asking.

The honest answer is: Most Canadians have a big inferiority complex when it comes to the U.S.A.

Most Canadians are always measuring themselves up against the U.S.A., whether it be in politics, economics, education, religion, movies, music, and sports. It is a part of Canadians culture to either try to 'one-up' U.S.A. in all of these aspects of life, or try to be as different as possible from the U.S.A. in all of these aspects of life so as to 'stand-out'.

A few examples of the 'chest-pounding' Canadians like to do as it relates to Canada vs. U.S.A.....

1) You will still hear Canadians talk about a war that took place almost 200 years ago (War of 1812), and how they beat the U.S.A. in that war.
2) You will hear Canadians constantly degrade George W. Bush, or whatever leader the U.S.A. has at the time, while not paying as near as much attention to the flaws of the Canadian leader.
3) You will often come across Canadians who will try to find any and all ways of proving that Canadian education is better.
4) You will often come across Canadians who will bring up the fact that Canada has free health care, and the U.S.A. does not, even when the topic had nothing to do with U.S.A. health care in the first place.
5) A lot of Canadians like to shove it is anyone's face who will listen the amount of Canadian movie stars there are and the amount of Canadians music stars there are. And these Canadian movie stars and Canadian music stars are ALWAYS the best.
6) It is fashionable for Canadians to think that if you are a Canadian, then move to the U.S.A., that you become a 'traitor' and that the country is better off without you. It is fashionable to think that if you move from Canada to the U.S.A., that you weren't worthy of being a Canadian in the first place, and that you must not have been good enough or sophisticated enough to handle Canadian way of life.
7) A lot of Canadians like to have a double-standard when it comes to a specific issue of athletics, one that not surprisingly serves to try to make Canada look more athletically dominant than they really are. This double-standard refers to the fact that people from other countries who play for Canada are 100% Canadian (see Donovan Bailey, Dany Heatley, etc.). And people from Canada who play for other countries are still 100% Canadian but are merely 'traitors' (see Brett Hull). This is absurd. A country can't take credit for Brett Hull, then continue to take credit for Donovan Bailey.
8) A lot of Canadians cling to anything that somehow makes them better at sports than the U.S.A. Or at least makes them have a bigger claim to sports than the U.S.A. Hockey is Canada's sport, because Canada is the best at it. Basketball is Canada's sport, because Canada invented it. Golf is Canada's sport, because Mike Weir won the Master's a couple of years ago. Soccer is Canada's sport, because a Canadian's great-grand-father had a cousin, whose cousin had a father, who had a best friend, who had a brother, who had a best friend who was a former room-mate of someone who went to school with the inventer of soccer (this is made-up, but this is indeed something that a Canadian might say).

But anyways, enough examples as I am sure you get the point by now.

To answer your original question, most Canadians have an inferiority complex when it comes to the U.S.A. They like to see things happen that either: a) makes Canada look better than the U.S.A. (ie. Canada succeed); or b) makes U.S.A. look worse than Canada (ie. U.S.A. fail).

Saying all of this, however, I still remain a proud Canadian. I am still proud of my coutnry. I just tend to try to ignore the overly-obnoxious majority of people that surround me.

*I am sorry if all of this upset anybody here. Keep in mind that I am only referring to MOST Canadians when I typed all of this, not ALL Canadians.*

Some of them are really true.. But i disagree with you about heatley and bailey...

Do you know why there 100% canadian.. Because they have LEARN HOW TO PLAY HOCKEY and TRACK & Field here in CANADA...

Adam deadmarch is Canadian because he is born and raised in Canada.. and Also because he played minor hockey and junior hockey here in Canada.. he also currently lives in B.C...

Heatley is raised in Calgary..

yeah O'marra and heatley aren't born here in Canada but they are 100 % Canadian... Theirs parents are Canadian and as long as they can remember, they have lived in canada...


Pat Eaves of the ottawa senators is 100% american even if he was born in Canada...

Brett Hull is born and raised in Canada.. But Choose the U.S because he didn't crack Team Canada lineup... Samething for Brady Murray....

It's not the samething.. Can you see the difference...?

Can you explain to me what the stereotypical American is? This should be funny...


That much should be obvious. I've been to Europe a few times, and each time, everyone seems shocked that I'm not carrying an arsenal that would make Frank Castle blush, and that I'm not 400 pounds and wearing a Chicago Bears jersey.

The bottom line is...yes, there's a lot of ignorance in America toward Canada and the rest of the world. By the same token, and I feel qualified in saying so, having spent considerable time there...there's an equal amount of ignorance in Canada toward America(summarized by one poster's statement that in Canada, everyone questions the leadership of the PM, whereas it's evil to criticize in the States. Come down here and ask around--you'll find that Bush isn't very popular here, either...and if the elections had come maybe a year later, in a more stable time..and the democratic opposition wasn't a weak offering like Kerry, there's no way Bush is even re-elected, but that's way OT and no more need be said about it). There is a pretty distinct rivalry between Canada and the USA when it comes to hockey...but I think that the rivalry only goes that far for the USA..whereas many Canadians just like to see anything American fail. Why that is...I can't speak on. Am I a little disappointed in the animosity toward my country? Sure. Do I understand? Yeah, I do.

Do I have any problem with Canada or Canadians? Not at all. Great country, good people.

Would I cheer for any team playing Canada?

You bet.

Do not worry......when our country separates as it will soon from either Quebec or Alberta, you will see our balkanized parts lining up too be your good friend and ally and the idiocy that is Anti Americanism will take a back seat to far more important things...


When oil-rich Alberta separates from Canada, it will be one step closer to annexation by the USA. And I am curious to see what your reaction to that will be.
By the way, I am not particularly left-wing. I work in the oil industry. And I am not anti-American at all, although I do take issue with the current ruling junta in Washington.
And if you do not think that the US covets Alberta's oil wealth, you have another think coming. It will be lot easier to conquer people who want to be conquered than the Middle Eastern countries.

Adam deadmarch is Canadian because he is born and raised in Canada.. and Also because he played minor hockey and junior hockey here in Canada.. he also currently lives in B.C...


I have heard that he is living in Montana.

This thread is supposed to be about "Why Canadian fans want the US to lose" This is not the political board, any more off topic posting will result in this thread being closed.

This thread is supposed to be about "Why Canadian fans want the US to lose" This is not the political board, any more off topic posting will result in this thread being closed.
Now I think YOU "hate our freedoms"!
j/k
Okay...I'll get off of my political soapbox, now.
Looking forward to tonight's game and Saturday's "game of the tournament".

Yep, just like Americans being stereotypically American and that is even more sad thank you very much. Have you noticed that there are as many AMericans prejudiced against Canada? Don't make Canada the one sided coin chum.

I completely disagree. I know many Americans and have never heard an anti-Canadian word from any of them. Some Americans may not even think about Canada but, the ones that do like Canada.

Not sure who you met to get you to think otherwise.

When oil-rich Alberta separates from Canada, it will be one step closer to annexation by the USA.

Of course, that won't happen in our lifetimes or our grandchildren's. Alberta is as close to separating from Canada as New York is from the US.

I hate the States about as mcuh as I hate Alberta. Actually wuite a bit less, since only half of the US are George Bush supporting... while more than half of Alberta falls under that category. I think that a lot of Canadians have similar sentiments though with less animosity for Alberta and more disregard. But like I said its mainly rivalry. Even if the States don't give a damn about us, we still see it as a rivalry and that is only natural (I mean almost all geographical neighboors are rivals and its not our fault if the US doesn't care about us).

Also, Canada is still technically under the rule of the British crown just as we were in 1812. I think its fair for us to claim victory.

Under the rule of the British Crown? Good Lord... :shakehead

Under the rule of the British Crown? Good Lord... :shakehead

Yeah, there have been alot of pathetic posts in this thread but that one takes the cake.

I hate Team USA like I hate the Leafs... Deal with it. :p:

I guess i am like that other red neck albertian that wants to seperate from the eastern politics that have been shoved down our throats since before PETs time.
I visited the good ole USA only briefly yrs ago. I drove down to Las Vegas and then to LA and proceeded up the pacific coastline. To the most part i found most Americans an awesome bunch that welcomed me along my journey. North of San Fran my car broke down and a hichhicker got me help in Eureca Ca. He put me up as i arranged finances to get home. If i had a vote i would let Quebec leave if they wished and would draw a western border where Ontario begins. This is more because i feel westerners have no voice in the direction our country is going and feel left out of the eastern thinking the steers our nation. It is not because i dont love this country. I wouldnt want to become a U.S. state as i have never agreed with some of their politics. I dont feel inferior to Americans but we as a nation are quite small in comparision. I agree that maybe some Boo and want the Americans to lose because they have dominated every other sport and hockey is all we relate too. The U.S. team could lose and 99% of their nation would not know or not care. To us Canadians hockey is a religion. I am sure there were more than a few Americans that didnt like it when Toronto won the world series. As a nation i respect the pride you americans have. I dont like our own nations politics but i am proud to be a canadian. We as canadians have many things to be proud of. And with my age, if i was born an american it would of landed me in Vietnam. I am thankfull our nation in known as a peacekeeping country throughout the world. But i am also thankfull to have the U.S.A as our friends and allies. As an earlier poster stated the Americans would be the first to help us in a time of crisis. Getting back to hockey if you guys beat us for the gold it will hurt our pride. Damn it was so much easier when you guys werent that good. We just dont want to lose the only sport outside of curling that we ussually excel at.

I'll chime in with another nationally-twisted generalization. I suspect, though I don't claim to know a great deal about Canadians, that any ill-feeling directed at the states at the WJCs is similiar to the Anti-American sentiment across the globe centering around foreign policy (and has appeared in this thread.) I've done some travelling recently and its almost trendy now to hate America, especially among ignorant college students, and socialist Europeans, they all spout the same uninformed crap about the current war (which I was against from the start,) the 'world police state,' how the CIA killed millions of South Americans, how they are the evil puppetmasters who somehow manipulate all the worlds events yet are simultaneously stupid, etc... they wear Che Guevara shirts. (Che Guevara was a mass-murderer btw.)

That is not to say the US has not done some ****ed up things, intentionally and inadvertantly, but to single out the US within the expanse of national depravity is ridiculous, and to boo a bunch of 18 year old hockey players for wearing red, white, and blue is even worse. Though I'm not sure this is the case, just basing that on what I've read here. I have a high opinion of Canadians, and any anti-US feeling I've experienced was hardly mean-spirited.

Also I gotta ask... Canadians don't really pridefully harken back to the war of 1812 with any sort of regularity, do they?

I guess i am like that other red neck albertian that wants to seperate from the eastern politics that have been shoved down our throats since before PETs time.
I visited the good ole USA only briefly yrs ago. I drove down to Las Vegas and then to LA and proceeded up the pacific coastline. To the most part i found most Americans an awesome bunch that welcomed me along my journey. North of San Fran my car broke down and a hichhicker got me help in Eureca Ca. He put me up as i arranged finances to get home. If i had a vote i would let Quebec leave if they wished and would draw a western border where Ontario begins. This is more because i feel westerners have no voice in the direction our country is going and feel left out of the eastern thinking the steers our nation. It is not because i dont love this country. I wouldnt want to become a U.S. state as i have never agreed with some of their politics. I dont feel inferior to Americans but we as a nation are quite small in comparision. I agree that maybe some Boo and want the Americans to lose because they have dominated every other sport and hockey is all we relate too. The U.S. team could lose and 99% of their nation would not know or not care. To us Canadians hockey is a religion. I am sure there were more than a few Americans that didnt like it when Toronto won the world series. As a nation i respect the pride you americans have. I dont like our own nations politics but i am proud to be a canadian. We as canadians have many things to be proud of. And with my age, if i was born an american it would of landed me in Vietnam. I am thankfull our nation in known as a peacekeeping country throughout the world. But i am also thankfull to have the U.S.A as our friends and allies. As an earlier poster stated the Americans would be the first to help us in a time of crisis. Getting back to hockey if you guys beat us for the gold it will hurt our pride. Damn it was so much easier when you guys werent that good. We just dont want to lose the only sport outside of curling that we ussually excel at.

Good post.

I'll chime in with another nationally-twisted generalization. I suspect, though I don't claim to know a great deal about Canadians, that any ill-feeling directed at the states at the WJCs is similiar to the Anti-American sentiment across the globe centering around foreign policy (and has appeared in this thread.) I've done some travelling recently and its almost trendy now to hate America, especially among ignorant college students, and socialist Europeans, they all spout the same uninformed crap about the current war (which I was against from the start,) the 'world police state,' how the CIA killed millions of South Americans, how they are the evil puppetmasters who somehow manipulate all the worlds events yet are simultaneously stupid, etc... they wear Che Guevara shirts. (Che Guevara was a mass-murderer btw.)

That is not to say the US has not done some ****ed up things, intentionally and inadvertantly, but to single out the US within the expanse of national depravity is ridiculous, and to boo a bunch of 18 year old hockey players for wearing red, white, and blue is even worse. Though I'm not sure this is the case, just basing that on what I've read here. I have a high opinion of Canadians, and any anti-US feeling I've experienced was hardly mean-spirited.

Also I gotta ask... Canadians don't really pridefully harken back to the war of 1812 with any sort of regularity, do they?

I dont even think most Canadians think of this. I was pretty good in my history lessons and was never taught " we Canadians " won. Please dont tell Bush i dont want him to get back at us now. :( :(

I very much agree with these last two posters and I am hoping that when fans are booing the Americans it is because of competitiveness not politics. I find to many people(mostly young) are basing there beliefs on what entertainers have to say and its ridiculous. How do people figure P Diddy knows more about whats going on in this world then they do? :dunno: When I go to a hockey game and a few people boo the American national anthem it really pisses me off. It embarrasses me as a Canadian, Plus how many players on your own team are American? Lots. I could go on and on but I feel this anti American thing going on in Canada and in the States has to stop. That being said.... Go Canada!!! :yo:

Isn't this a silly discussion? The USA and Canada are rivals, pretty damn big rivals, so what if they are rooting against us? Its not like they are walking around with signs that read, DIE USA PLAYERS! or something like that.

The best fans are the owns who are at a game sitting near opposing teams fans and show emotion toward or against the teams on the ice..but when its all over you shake the other fans had and say it was good game.

Team Canada
Howie Mandel
Allanis Morrisette
Ryan Reynolds

Team USA
Gallaghar
Pink
Ben Affleck

I'll chime in with another nationally-twisted generalization. I suspect, though I don't claim to know a great deal about Canadians, that any ill-feeling directed at the states at the WJCs is similiar to the Anti-American sentiment across the globe centering around foreign policy (and has appeared in this thread.) I've done some travelling recently and its almost trendy now to hate America, especially among ignorant college students, and socialist Europeans, they all spout the same uninformed crap about the current war (which I was against from the start,) the 'world police state,' how the CIA killed millions of South Americans, how they are the evil puppetmasters who somehow manipulate all the worlds events yet are simultaneously stupid, etc... they wear Che Guevara shirts. (Che Guevara was a mass-murderer btw.)

That is not to say the US has not done some ****ed up things, intentionally and inadvertantly, but to single out the US within the expanse of national depravity is ridiculous, and to boo a bunch of 18 year old hockey players for wearing red, white, and blue is even worse. Though I'm not sure this is the case, just basing that on what I've read here. I have a high opinion of Canadians, and any anti-US feeling I've experienced was hardly mean-spirited.

Also I gotta ask... Canadians don't really pridefully harken back to the war of 1812 with any sort of regularity, do they?

Good post and most normal Canadians have buried 1812.

I am a Canadian. I have lived in Canada my whole life.

Thus, I feel as though I am well qualified to comment on this topic, since I have associated with fellow Canadians every day of my life and know a lot about them.

I will give you an honest answer for the question you are asking.

The honest answer is: Most Canadians have a big inferiority complex when it comes to the U.S.A.

Most Canadians are always measuring themselves up against the U.S.A., whether it be in politics, economics, education, religion, movies, music, and sports. It is a part of Canadians culture to either try to 'one-up' U.S.A. in all of these aspects of life, or try to be as different as possible from the U.S.A. in all of these aspects of life so as to 'stand-out'.

A few examples of the 'chest-pounding' Canadians like to do as it relates to Canada vs. U.S.A.....

1) You will still hear Canadians talk about a war that took place almost 200 years ago (War of 1812), and how they beat the U.S.A. in that war.
2) You will hear Canadians constantly degrade George W. Bush, or whatever leader the U.S.A. has at the time, while not paying as near as much attention to the flaws of the Canadian leader.
3) You will often come across Canadians who will try to find any and all ways of proving that Canadian education is better.
4) You will often come across Canadians who will bring up the fact that Canada has free health care, and the U.S.A. does not, even when the topic had nothing to do with U.S.A. health care in the first place.
5) A lot of Canadians like to shove it is anyone's face who will listen the amount of Canadian movie stars there are and the amount of Canadians music stars there are. And these Canadian movie stars and Canadian music stars are ALWAYS the best.
6) It is fashionable for Canadians to think that if you are a Canadian, then move to the U.S.A., that you become a 'traitor' and that the country is better off without you. It is fashionable to think that if you move from Canada to the U.S.A., that you weren't worthy of being a Canadian in the first place, and that you must not have been good enough or sophisticated enough to handle Canadian way of life.
7) A lot of Canadians like to have a double-standard when it comes to a specific issue of athletics, one that not surprisingly serves to try to make Canada look more athletically dominant than they really are. This double-standard refers to the fact that people from other countries who play for Canada are 100% Canadian (see Donovan Bailey, Dany Heatley, etc.). And people from Canada who play for other countries are still 100% Canadian but are merely 'traitors' (see Brett Hull). This is absurd. A country can't take credit for Brett Hull, then continue to take credit for Donovan Bailey.
8) A lot of Canadians cling to anything that somehow makes them better at sports than the U.S.A. Or at least makes them have a bigger claim to sports than the U.S.A. Hockey is Canada's sport, because Canada is the best at it. Basketball is Canada's sport, because Canada invented it. Golf is Canada's sport, because Mike Weir won the Master's a couple of years ago. Soccer is Canada's sport, because a Canadian's great-grand-father had a cousin, whose cousin had a father, who had a best friend, who had a brother, who had a best friend who was a former room-mate of someone who went to school with the inventer of soccer (this is made-up, but this is indeed something that a Canadian might say).

But anyways, enough examples as I am sure you get the point by now.

To answer your original question, most Canadians have an inferiority complex when it comes to the U.S.A. They like to see things happen that either: a) makes Canada look better than the U.S.A. (ie. Canada succeed); or b) makes U.S.A. look worse than Canada (ie. U.S.A. fail).

Saying all of this, however, I still remain a proud Canadian. I am still proud of my coutnry. I just tend to try to ignore the overly-obnoxious majority of people that surround me.

*I am sorry if all of this upset anybody here. Keep in mind that I am only referring to MOST Canadians when I typed all of this, not ALL Canadians.*
Correction. Not MOST Canadians, but apparently just MOST that you associate with. What a pity. Frankly, I don't associate with a single person who spouts off in this manner. That's not to say that I don't have anti-American friends... unfortunately I do. But your analysis doesn't even come close to being applicable to them.

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Also I gotta ask... Canadians don't really pridefully harken back to the war of 1812 with any sort of regularity, do they?

Good Lord, no. The only time I've EVER heard that brought up was in grade school, and it was even a joke back then. Like, people know we're making fun of ourselves when we bring that up.

I have absolutely no idea what that other poster is on about.

Everyone get it our of their systems yet? ;)

Everyone get it our of their systems yet? ;)
I was just getting started! I only just noticed that there is another three pages of fun and games.

Everyone get it our of their systems yet? ;)

What the hell was that supposed to mean?




:innocent:

What the hell was that supposed to mean?




:innocent:
lol :)

I was just getting started! I only just noticed that there is another three pages of fun and games.

Believe me, you don't need to read all that :biglaugh:

I remember when Canadians used to brag about the blue jays winning the world series, winning 'americas game'. Of course the two things that shut them up are.

They won with americans
America has been winning your trophy for oh, about the last 10 years.

I am a Canadian. I have lived in Canada my whole life.

Thus, I feel as though I am well qualified to comment on this topic, since I have associated with fellow Canadians every day of my life and know a lot about them.

I will give you an honest answer for the question you are asking.

The honest answer is: Most Canadians have a big inferiority complex when it comes to the U.S.A.

Most Canadians are always measuring themselves up against the U.S.A., whether it be in politics, economics, education, religion, movies, music, and sports. It is a part of Canadians culture to either try to 'one-up' U.S.A. in all of these aspects of life, or try to be as different as possible from the U.S.A. in all of these aspects of life so as to 'stand-out'.

A few examples of the 'chest-pounding' Canadians like to do as it relates to Canada vs. U.S.A.....

1) You will still hear Canadians talk about a war that took place almost 200 years ago (War of 1812), and how they beat the U.S.A. in that war.
2) You will hear Canadians constantly degrade George W. Bush, or whatever leader the U.S.A. has at the time, while not paying as near as much attention to the flaws of the Canadian leader.
3) You will often come across Canadians who will try to find any and all ways of proving that Canadian education is better.


You're well qualified alright but not in the way you think. You first 3 points are idiotic enough that I don't feel the need to read the rest.

1) I have never in my life met a Canadian who brought up the war of 1812 in any way other than in joking manner (besides the soldiers were more British than Canadian).
2)Yes Canadians, along with 80% the world degrade Bush, da. But no this is not common. Clinton and even Reagan were liked by Canadians.
3)"Often find Canadians that find any all ways to prove our Education system is better??" I'll take a pound of whatever you have.

This thread is supposed to be about "Why Canadian fans want the US to lose" This is not the political board, any more off topic posting will result in this thread being closed.

It seems to me that not all of you caught this, I think we are done here.