WJC Group A: Dec 29 GDT - Norway vs. Canada

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Game start: 4PM PST | 7PM ET | 01.00 CET
Group: A
Location: Vancouver

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12-4 Canada

I expect Canada to come out very strong tonight after a poor performance against the Swiss. 11-1 Canada.

2-1 Norway :D

7 - 1 Canada

We don't usually run the score up too much.

Backup goalie in net.

6-3 Canada.

Canada will probably take out their bad game on Norway

Canada played a very overconfident game versus the Swiss and almost got burned.
You can bet that Sutter will have their attention for this game and Canada will come out angry and crashing.
Feel bad for Norway, but I suspect this could be a very large rout.
12-2 Canada.

7 - 1 Canada

We don't usually run the score up too much.

I agree - Sutter does not want Team Canada to lose its defensive composure in attempts to run up the score.

7-2 Canada.

Pogge gets the start according to TSN.

Pogge gets the start according to TSN.

6-0

Berra shut em' out... he's good though

5-1.

the one they call the syndrome with a hatty.

8-0 Canada. They better play way better than they did against the Swiss. I'm surprized that Pogge gets the start. Latendresse has to play a better game. Hopefully he can get a couple of goals.

8-0 Canada. They better play way better than they did against the Swiss. I'm surprized that Pogge gets the start. Latendresse has to play a better game. Hopefully he can get a couple of goals.
I'm surprised that Pogge is getting the start aswell, only because you would think Dubnyk would get atleast one start, not because Pogge played poorly, because he didn't!

I'm sure Sutter wants to get Canada rolling as a unit with a powerful win tonight in front of Pogge. If that means having Dubnyk not play at all this tournament, so be it. The important thing is to have the team unified and confident in each other going forward.

I would think that starting Pogge means Sutter didn't like his play against the Swiss and wants him to have a bounce-back game before facing the Americans.

8-0 Canada

Bolland (3), Bertram, Latendresse, Cogliano, Boyd, Comeau

10 - 1 Canada.

Norway will get one with probably 25+ penalties called tonight. Canada better being banging and crashing and using their speed tonight to get things going for Saturday night. Canada is notorious for playing so-so against the weak teams, but I think Norway is waaaaaay overmatched that it won't matter and they will still blow out the Norwegians!

4-1 Canada.

Pouliot, Boyd, Bourdon, Chipchura. The Norwegian goalie with 50+ saves.

8-1 Canada

I can't be there, but I'll be there in spirit, wearing my USA Hockey jersey, cheering Norway in the form of "LETS GO NORWAY! *clapclap clapclapclap!* chants, and booing every time the Canadians are awarded a power play.









;)

I can't be there, but I'll be there in spirit, wearing my USA Hockey jersey, cheering Norway in the form of "LETS GO NORWAY! *clapclap clapclapclap!* chants, and booing every time the Canadians are awarded a power play.









;)

That's awesome. Good to see a healthy rivalry. That reminds me, the 'Belarus' chants at last year's WJHC game were priceless too. That was a good time. The video production people should have known not to bother zooming in on a loud, drunk, obnoxious fat guy wearing a team USA jersey and yelling into the camera the day after getting wiped by a relagation team. Especially when 90 per cent of the crowd in Grand Forks was from Winnipeg. Good stuff.

I can't be there, but I'll be there in spirit, wearing my USA Hockey jersey, cheering Norway in the form of "LETS GO NORWAY! *clapclap clapclapclap!* chants, and booing every time the Canadians are awarded a power play.

;)

In Spirit?

Who you gonna call?

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I want to see Poggemon get the shutout tonight.

I'm sure Sutter wants to get Canada rolling as a unit with a powerful win tonight in front of Pogge. If that means having Dubnyk not play at all this tournament, so be it. The important thing is to have the team unified and confident in each other going forward.
My worry is if something happens to Pogge, you have Dubnyk going into the medal round cold.

That's awesome. Good to see a healthy rivalry. That reminds me, the 'Belarus' chants at last year's WJHC game were priceless too. That was a good time. The video production people should have known not to bother zooming in on a loud, drunk, obnoxious fat guy wearing a team USA jersey and yelling into the camera the day after getting wiped by a relagation team. Especially when 90 per cent of the crowd in Grand Forks was from Winnipeg. Good stuff.
Just you wait. Norway and the USA have some close ties, and we've been promised vindication for what you did to us in the war of 1812. Don't think we've forgotten.

Just you wait. Norway and the USA have some close ties, and we've been promised vindication for what you did to us in the war of 1812. Don't think we've forgotten.

Pffssh. We weren't even a country then. Blame the English.

Playing Canada in the WJC on their home soil in Vancouver is absolutely huge for Norwegian hockey. I`m sure our boys have a special feeling right now, but I hope they`ll be able to leave the nerves and thoughts in the dressingroom of the Pacific Coliseum, and that they will get a decent result. And to the boys in red, white and blue: You got our full support from back home. You have already made us proud by just being there!

Good luck to both Canada and Norway! Here`s to a great game :handclap:

My worry is if something happens to Pogge, you have Dubnyk going into the medal round cold.

That's a bit of a concern, but he's been playing games all year and must have confidence after his game against the Czechs. He was probably selected because Sutter is confident that he can step up and perform when called upon in an emergency situation. Everyone knew he wouldn't be challenging Poggeman.

Pffssh. We weren't even a country then. Blame the English.


Wait, you're a COUNTRY now? I was under the impression you were under colonial rule. Weren't you traded to China as a side deal in the Taiwan swap?

Wait, you're a COUNTRY now? I was under the impression you were under colonial rule. Weren't you traded to China as a side deal in the Taiwan swap?

You are thinking of Alaska.

Playing Canada in the WJC on their home soil in Vancouver is absolutely huge for Norwegian hockey. I`m sure our boys have a special feeling right now, but I hope they`ll be able to leave the nerves and thoughts in the dressingroom of the Pacific Coliseum, and that they will get a decent result. And to the boys in red, white and blue: You got our full support from back home. You have already made us proud by just being there!

Good luck to both Canada and Norway! Here`s to a great game :handclap:

Super-Thor ....
You have to have higher expectations for Norway. I'm not saying they need to beat Canada, but they need to make some sort of noise if they are ever going to create enough of a stir to get more little Norwegian kids playing hockey over there. Maybe a win v. Switzerland or something.

Ah forget it...I was in Norway this year. Simply put, hockey's NEVER going to fly over there. Too bad.

Go Canada Go

Super-Thor ....
You have to have higher expectations for Norway. I'm not saying they need to beat Canada, but they need to make some sort of noise if they are ever going to create enough of a stir to get more little Norwegian kids playing hockey over there. Maybe a win v. Switzerland or something.

Ah forget it...I was in Norway this year. Simply put, hockey's NEVER going to fly over there. Too bad.

Well, our guys are 100% amateurs and they`re up against some of the worlds greatest U20 players. We have 0 draftees in our team and when you look at the rosters of Canada and USA we don`t really stand a chance. However upsets have happened before and I really hope both our juniors and mens team somehow manages to stick with the top flight teams. I don`t hold my breath though. What we need is more NHLers. Players like Patrick Thoresen (who honestly should be playing in the NHL right now), OK Tollefsen, Anders Myrvold and Patrick Holtet will spark the hockey here once they make it.

Brian Burke on Norway: "Norway had one chance to win this game, and it ended when the Canadian bus made it to the rink"

OH MY GOD!!!!!

did Cogliano actually just take a shot? :eek:

Brian Burke on Norway: "Norway had one chance to win this game, and it ended when the Canadian bus made it to the rink"

May I remind mr Burke that Norway have beaten Canada before and probably will sometime again. What happened to respecting both teams?

Absolute respect to team Norway here. Good luck to you :)

Norway's first shot came at 7:41 of the first period on a powerplay.

That said, I think Canada's come out flat again in this game. I don't see the sense of urgency they should be playing with in trying to bury Norway to boost the confidence of the troops.

Wait, you're a COUNTRY now? I was under the impression you were under colonial rule. Weren't you traded to China as a side deal in the Taiwan swap?

Queen Elizabeth II and the British parliament has all the sway over Canada that Cuba holds over the U.S. That is to say, not the slightest bit when it comes to our political decision making. Still, it makes for some fine pomp at our military parades dontcha think?

Norway's first shot came at 7:41 of the first period on a powerplay.

That said, I think Canada's come out flat again in this game. I don't see the sense of urgency they should be playing with in trying to bury Norway to boost the confidence of the troops.

Well, coming out flat again is just a case of playing in front of one of the worst crowd ever. (Before being flamed, I'm talking about THIS tournament, not in general).

Well, coming out flat again is just a case of playing in front of one of the worst crowd ever. (Before being flamed, I'm talking about THIS tournament, not in general).

It isn't the crowd's job to get the team going. The team should be getting the crowd going.

This team lacks intensity, from the look of things thus far in the tournament.

Queen Elizabeth II and the British parliament has all the sway over Canada that Cuba holds over the U.S. That is to say, not the slightest bit when it comes to our political decision making. Still, it makes for some fine pomp at our military parades dontcha think?

I was kidding ;)

Everyone knows that Japan rules us both.

Lots of penalties early on it seems. Is this the norm of the tournament?

Ok so the crowd is useless then...

Mcguire needs to s t f u about Pouliot.. it's been 5 freaking periods!

I dont think Ive seen one Canadian check. :shakehead

What, no cheering for the underdog team? :D

BORING... so boring in fact I think I will go watch the Leafs game.

What, no cheering for the underdog team? :D
At this point, I'm not too sure who IS the underdog :help:

I was kidding ;)

Everyone knows that Japan rules us both.

Didn't see a wink in your post :D

flat,flat,flat.............thats what this team is again tonight.


:shakehead

Well, coming out flat again is just a case of playing in front of one of the worst crowd ever. (Before being flamed, I'm talking about THIS tournament, not in general).

I 100% agree. I haven't been impressed with the fans enthusiasm for Canada at all so far.

If only they could put as much effort into cheering for Canada as they do in cheering against the USA...

Barker!

there we go

Goal by Barker.

Lead the puck up the rush, cut to the middle and let a nice wrister go from the high slot.

Nice goal by Cam Barker. Nice shot. 1-0 Canada!!!!!!!!! PP goal.

NICE! :handclap:

This games really boring here's hoping the Wild Falmes game won't be a defensive trap fest.

Jesus H Christ...at the end of the first period some Norwegian player comes at the net and gets decked by the D and the ref had his arm up before the hit happened :biglaugh:

I 100% agree. I haven't been impressed with the fans enthusiasm for Canada at all so far.

If only they could put as much effort into cheering for Canada as they do in cheering against the USA...
Ironic that you're complaining about the flatness in Canada's play as you are complaining about the lack of cheering at the game. It is indeed difficult to cheer about a lacklustre game to which in my opinion should be about 5-0 now. Like somebody else commented, it's up to the team to get the crowd going and so far they aren't doing too good a job of it. I'm watching the game myself and finding myself bored with all of these penalties.

Man this team is so undiciplined... Pouliot yesterday with that double minor and at the end of the first today Parent with the stupid crosscheck.... :shakehead :shakehead

John Walsh has to do an episode looking for the Canadian team that played Russia and Finland.They've vanished without a trace since then.Anyone with any information leading to their safe return please call 1-800-i've forgotten to bring intensity and check effectively.

Jesus H Christ...at the end of the first period some Norwegian player comes at the net and gets decked by the D and the ref had his arm up before the hit happened :biglaugh:

It was a penalty..... no doubter.... another undisciplined penalty by Canada

Ironic that you're complaining about the flatness in Canada's play as you are complaining about the lack of cheering at the game. It is indeed difficult to cheer about a lacklustre game to which in my opinion should be about 5-0 now. Like somebody else commented, it's up to the team to get the crowd going and so far they aren't doing too good a job of it. I'm watching the game myself and finding myself bored with all of these penalties.

Actually I meant the entire tournament, which I guess does include this game.

the ref is doing his job, McGuire is being such a dumb *** with refs in the tournament

USA is going to slaughter us.

This is allll part of Canada's strategy. Rope-a-dope, make the opponent figure you're down and out and then....BAM!!!!!!!!! :D

It sounds like the rink is empty..... hey fans at the game time to get vocal because it looks like this team will need all the help they can get New Years Eve against the Yanks

This is allll part of Canada's strategy. Rope-a-dope, make the opponent figure you're down and out and then....BAM!!!!!!!!! :D

Just like the game against the Swiss eh? :sarcasm:

USA is going to slaughter us.

Doubt it. I think a lot of this is a case of Canada not taking these lesser opponents seriously enough. When the competition is tougher, they'll step up.

Just like the game against the Swiss eh? :sarcasm:

Exactly! When we "squeak" into the gold medal game, the opponent will think "pffft, these guys are a pushover" Then...BAM!!!!!!!! 10-0 Canada :D

Jesus H Christ...at the end of the first period some Norwegian player comes at the net and gets decked by the D and the ref had his arm up before the hit happened :biglaugh:

Last nights Hitmen game featured a ref I had never seen before who was absolutely terrible. I felt he really ruined what would have already been a bad game. But then I watched my recording of the game vs the Swiss, and now this one, and I realize that Canadian junior referees arent that bad, all things considered.

You know what? This tournament is hosted by a North American country. Call a North American style game. Let the no-contact hockey rule when the tournament is hosted in Europe.

Oh, and Canada really needs to wake up. We should be winning by a margin considerably larger than one goal, regardless of the officiating.

I can’t believe we’re playing like this against Norway. :shakehead

That was charging? I hope the Olympics aren't called like this :shakehead

Pierre McGuire is getting so fed up that he is going craaaazy.

It appears as though the crowd in Vancouver are booing ANY penalty called, not just those against Canada.

This ref is a bozo :biglaugh:

That was charging? I hope the Olympics aren't called like this :shakehead

No, we get real referees for the Olympics.

The crowd is so pissed they are even booing penalties against Norway.

I feel bad for people that wasted their good money to go to this atrocity.

I can’t believe we’re playing like this against Norway. :shakehead

Miss the game against the Swiss??

Anyone know who is reffing the game between Canada and the States? A part of me is pulling for a referee who likes physical contact.

I forgot which jerseys Canada was wearing and honestly, didn't notice a dropoff in play

Pierre McGuire is getting so fed up that he is going craaaazy.

A MONSTER hit followed by a MONSTER penalty - Pierre

Please bring back Paul Romanuk and Bob Mackenzie.... I cant stand listening to these two guys much longer.....

:cry: :cry:

wow :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

fans chanting we want a ref :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

No, we get real referees for the Olympics.

The crowd is so pissed they are even booing penalties against Norway.

I feel bad for people that wasted their good money to go to this atrocity.

:biglaugh: The Minnie vs Calgary game can't come soon enough

For the love of god, no more penalties for either side. I just can't take it anymore, I'm going crazy watching this game. Any time either team tries to get some momentum, a penalty is called (which is about every 30 seconds) and then everytime a team gets a powerplay, a penalty is called that negates it.

That charging call against Bolland was the worst I've seen in the tournament so far. He didn't leave his feet even an INCH. It's called hockey. However, the sad thing is that a lot of the Canadian penalties have been just, the team discipline is atrocious. I feel even worse for the Norwegians because the majority of their calls against have been incredibly suspect, more so then Canada.

This is possibly the worst hockey game I've ever watched in my entire life.

Anyone know who is reffing the game between Canada and the States? A part of me is pulling for a referee who likes physical contact.

Since it will be a "neutral" official, we will more than likely be stuck with some other European idiot.

As much as I despise Rob Matsouka, I hope that Canada and the US get together, go to the IIHF and request he calls this game. He is a terrible official, but at least he knows the North American game.

A MONSTER hit followed by a MONSTER penalty - Pierre

I was waiting for 'That's two minutes for being strong.'

I really wish I had these games live on TV, these refs sound like they have met the qualifacations to work in the NHL. :D

It appears as though the crowd in Vancouver are booing ANY penalty called, not just those against Canada.

So there is a crowd there not just a bunch of cardboard cutouts?

:dunno: :confused:

Please bring back Paul Romanuk and Bob Mackenzie.... I cant stand listening to these two guys much longer.....

:cry: :cry:

I actually like Miller and Mcguire much more appeasing than HNIC's bob Cole and Harry Neil

Anyone know who is reffing the game between Canada and the States? A part of me is pulling for a referee who likes physical contact.
Every part of me is hoping for that.

wow... halfway through and this games is still close!

Who reffed the Canada-Finland game? I don't recall that guy being so bad.

For the love of god, no more penalties for either side. I just can't take it anymore, I'm going crazy watching this game. Any time either team tries to get some momentum, a penalty is called (which is about every 30 seconds) and then everytime a team gets a powerplay, a penalty is called that negates it.

That charging call against Bolland was the worst I've seen in the tournament so far. He didn't leave his feet even an INCH. It's called hockey. However, the sad thing is that a lot of the Canadian penalties have been just, the team discipline is atrocious. I feel even worse for the Norwegians because the majority of their calls against have been incredibly suspect, more so then Canada.

This is possibly the worst hockey game I've ever watched in my entire life.
it's top five for sure.It's an awful game.

Hey Everyone Look, Its 5 On 5 !!!!

This ref is AWFUL

This ref is special.

Hey Everyone Look, Its 5 On 5 !!!!

10 seconds later... not anymore... :shakehead

Every time Bourdon hits someone, he turn toward the ref :biglaugh: priceless

Hey Everyone Look, Its 5 On 5 !!!!

YOU JINXED IT!

Side note, Dustin Boyd's mom is a M-I-L-F

This ref is a bozo :biglaugh:


i think bozo is a understatment :biglaugh:

9th powerplay of the game for Norway.

The fans should just cheer each time a penalty is called. At least it'd give them something to look forward to cheering for, because the game itself certainly isn't worth cheering.

It never ceases to amaze me how much a referee can suck the life out of a game.

Can someone please explain why this Bourdon penalty was called.


Another penalty :biglaugh:

How was that Bourdon play a holding penalty?

What a joke...

Team looks terrible though so I suppose it's irrelevant.

Another penalty..

Acouple of things....

1. Shoot the puck!!! Aren't the coaching staff stressing this yet???? These guys have to start looking at shooting first.

2. Sure, the ref isn't great but Canada can't put themselves in a situation of getting called. They constantly are putting themselves in a poor position or crosschecking guys. They've got to learn what they can get away with and what they can't......AND FAST!!! These stupid mistakes are going to cost them dearly against Russia, the US and the Czechs. Either the refs aren't being scouted properly or the players aren't listening. Someone has been dropping the ball. I don't care what Macguire says but the officiating has been consistently pathetic both ways. Its not like canada is at a disadvantage.

3. I'm not too happy about this team's hockey sense. Players are not in the proper position many times. This is costing them offensive chances.

canada vs norway vs the refreee :)

more like Canada and Norway vs. the referee.

please,someone please explain to me how that is a penalty.please

Gooooool

Garbage goal for Bolland on the PP.

2-0 Canada.

And we finally score.

Somehow, I think that is the first PP goal of the game.

I really hope Benoit Pouliot takes this new found physical play back to Sudbury after the WJC's are over.

Before this tournament, I'm pretty sure Id never seen Pouliot throw a body check in my life, yet he's probably been our most physical player in this tournament. For some reason, this tourney makes any Canadian player a wrecking ball who is capable of a monster body check. IF Pouliot can take this physical energy back to the OHL and carry it with him in his future endeavours, it's going to make him an even better prospect.

Goal....10 more to go

off the replay, that didnt look in :amazed:

That had to be the ugliest goal of the tourny

Acouple of things....

1. Shoot the puck!!! Aren't the coaching staff stressing this yet???? These guys have to start looking at shooting first.

2. Sure, the ref isn't great but Canada can't put themselves in a situation of getting called. They constantly are putting themselves in a poor position or crosschecking guys. They've got to learn what they can get away with and what they can't......AND FAST!!! These stupid mistakes are going to cost them dearly against Russia, the US and the Czechs. Either the refs aren't being scouted properly or the players aren't listening. Someone has been dropping the ball. I don't care what Macguire says but the officiating has been consistently pathetic both ways. Its not like canada is at a disadvantage.

3. I'm not too happy about this team's hockey sense. Players are not in the proper position many times. This is costing them offensive chances.
Gotta agree.their hockey sense is lacking.Funny,it was'nt against Finland though.

SCORES!!!!!! 2-0 now. Nice work by Boyd and Bolland in front of the net. The goal was scored by Bolland

YOU JINXED IT!

Side note, Dustin Boyd's mom is a M-I-L-F

:eek:

Has Norway's shots on goal only come on the PP?

me like Bourdon.

Anze who? :)

Garbage goal for Bolland on the PP.

2-0 Canada.

This is the type of play these guys need to do ALL THE TIME!! Garbage goal or not, driving to the net and putting the puck on goal is how this team will win.

Excellent job, they need more of this. Canada is not going to be able to outskill some teams and this is the type of hard work play they need.

Way to go.

Chipchura

3-0

Goal for Chipchura.

Are the floodgates opening?

And we finally wake up. 3-0.

Here we go

Still a boring game.... 3-0 Canada

Now Chipchura scores! Blunden with a pass right in front to Chipchura who shot it right past the goalie. 3-0 Canada.

That was weak too what a difference between this year and last years junior team.

Goal for Chipchura.

Are the floodgates opening?

Nope, Ref'll close 'em

I did not realize Pierre M. Has such an influence on TSN viewers, I think he just started all-canadian anti-referee hysteria. This guy sucks.

I can't say enough good things about Staal. What a player he is.

Blocking shots, jumping in on the play. What a future this kid has.

Islanders fan here, just wonder i watched a bit of the second period, where is or what happened to Comeau?

Now Chipchura score. Blunden with a pass right in front to Chipchura who shot it right past the goal. 3-0 Canada.

More like the puck bounced/fumbled around his stick (no skills required) and the defenceman was just awful on the play, really awful.

heck I'm as Swiss as I am canadian and I was *****in last night.

I think even the Norwegain coach was arguing that call on Bourdon

Bourdon

Bourdon with a nice snipe.

He now has one goal and four assists in the tourny.

That was weak too what a difference between this year and last years junior team.

Of course there is a difference. A boatload of the player's from last year's team have played in the NHL this year. This is a young team and haven't near the skill of last year's group.

Also, other teams are much stronger this year, as well.

Toews!! now thats more like it,showing they know what to do down there.

4-0 nice work by toews to bourdon

Now Canada is starting to play well. Bourdon with a nice wrist shot from the point roofs it over the goalies shoulder. 4-0 Canada. 3 goals in under 2 minutes.

4-0

I dont know what's more impressive... That we scored three goals in 1:51, or that the referee didn't call a penalty in that time.

I did not realize Pierre M. Has such an influence on TSN viewers, I think he just started all-canadian anti-referee hysteria. This guy sucks.
he's right though,they suck.

Of course there is a difference. A boatload of the player's from last year's team have played in the NHL this year. This is a young team and haven't near the skill of last year's group.


I sat down during an intermission of a Calgary Hitmen game and looked it up. I can't recall exactly off the top of my head, but something close to 15 players of the 22 or 23 on the roster last year have played in the NHL this year.

Insane!

I dont know what's more impressive... That we scored three goals in 1:51, or that the referee didn't call a penalty in that time.
:lol:

I did not realize Pierre M. Has such an influence on TSN viewers, I think he just started all-canadian anti-referee hysteria. This guy sucks.

Actually, we've had an "all-Canadian, anti-referee hysteria" for decades now.

Canada vs the Referees is nothing new. McGuire is just the latest to complain.

You can tell by Miller's reaction that the is just so used to games like this that it doesnt even effect him anymore.

I dont know what's more impressive... That we scored three goals in 1:51, or that the referee didn't call a penalty in that time.

Jinxed it again.

At least the floodgates are opening now. We are finally skating circles around the Norwegians in the offensive zone.

i don't care if we take 20 more penalties,i want this team to hit everything that moves.Stay awake....best way to do it.the hell with the penalties.

They just flipped the switch right everyone.....

:sarcasm:

And another thing,ditch those stupid uniforms.

Glad Pouliot is getting physical. We need that type of player.

the ref is doing juste fine. Most of the penalties are well deserved. The one on Bourdon wasn't but he should have got one the play before.

Has Sutter changed his lines at all during this tournament ? Guys don't produce and keeps Pouliot with whoever he's playing with.

And another thing,ditch those stupid uniforms.

Sadly, we're stuck with those things for the Olympics too.

Through two periods, the ref has called 22 penalties. 12 against Norway, 10 against Canada.

it's great to hear that staal continues to look good, but does he even have any points in this tourney yet? is that not his role right now?

Glad Pouliot is getting physical. We need that type of player.

he'd be more useful scoring goals

I don't understand why gifted players should play like 4th liners. Cogliano probably never hit anybody of his life now he's asked to and he's doing it wrong. Everytime instead of picking the puck he goes out to hit a guy.

the ref is doing juste fine. Most of the penalties are well deserved. The one on Bourdon wasn't but he should have got one the play before.

Has Sutter changed his lines at all during this tournament ? Guys don't produce and keeps Pouliot with whoever he's playing with.
Yeah,he's doing just fine allright.It's a joke,you watching this thing?

it's great to hear that staal continues to look good, but does he even have any points in this tourney yet? is that not his role right now?

From what I've seen Staal doesn't have much offense at all. But he's really really solid defensively. Sutter doesn't use him on the PP that I can tell. As we've seen this game most of our points from our defense is gonna come from Bourdon and Barker.

Is it true Bourdon already has 5 points? Jeeze.

Latendresse is getting so shafted. Other guys are given way more room for error.

Yeah,he's doing just fine allright.It's a joke,you watching this thing?

yeah and out of all the penalties that were called, about 90% were deserved. His job is to call the penalties. Players keep on taking the same stupid penalties shift after shift. Sutter is doing jack to fix this. If they'd just play their game Canada would be up 10-0. Everytime the're on the powerplay they're doing nothing.

Once a team will realise that yes the ref is doing is doing his job and they'll start concentrate on scoring goals on the powerplay, then they'll run up the score and win their games. Instead they keep on doing the same thing and complain at the ref.

The crowd is so out of it as well. Instead of yelling at the refs juste cheer for Canada, they need you more than the ref needs you.

Latendresse is getting so shafted. Other guys are given way more room for error.

He's been terrible.. he's been given multiple chances to get it going but for whatever reason he looks like he doesnt care.

From what I've seen Staal doesn't have much offense at all. But he's really really solid defensively. Sutter doesn't use him on the PP that I can tell. As we've seen this game most of our points from our defense is gonna come from Bourdon and Barker.

Is it true Bourdon already has 5 points? Jeeze.

Latendresse is getting so shafted. Other guys are given way more room for error.

slightly odd since staal was been tearing it up in the OHL offensively this year. that's why i wondered if his role for team canada has been limited to a defensive one

I'm gonna guess you are a certified referee, FSU?

Cause only another referee would defend this clown.

yeah and out of all the penalties that were called, about 90% were deserved. His job is to call the penalties. Players keep on taking the same stupid penalties shift after shift. Sutter is doing jack to fix this. If they'd just play their game Canada would be up 10-0. Everytime the're on the powerplay they're doing nothing.

Once a team will realise that yes the ref is doing is doing his job and they'll start concentrate on scoring goals on the powerplay, then they'll run up the score and win their games. Instead they keep on doing the same thing and complain at the ref.

The crowd is so out of it as well. Instead of yelling at the refs juste cheer for Canada, they need you more than the ref needs you.
yeah,they're doing a great job out there,just splendid.

I'm gonna guess you are a certified referee, FSU?

Cause only another referee would defend this clown.

?

The guy may have made 2 or 3 mistakes but overall he's making the calls. The one on Broudon clearly wasn't a good one but he should have got one right before. Overall I think he's alright.

yeah and out of all the penalties that were called, about 90% were deserved. His job is to call the penalties. Players keep on taking the same stupid penalties shift after shift. Sutter is doing jack to fix this. If they'd just play their game Canada would be up 10-0. Everytime the're on the powerplay they're doing nothing.

Once a team will realise that yes the ref is doing is doing his job and they'll start concentrate on scoring goals on the powerplay, then they'll run up the score and win their games. Instead they keep on doing the same thing and complain at the ref.

The crowd is so out of it as well. Instead of yelling at the refs juste cheer for Canada, they need you more than the ref needs you.


Exactly. Even though some of the calls have been questionable, the majority are probably within the confines of the rule book. In the last five minutes of the second, it seemed like they just went out and played their game instead of focusing on the officiating. They need to use their speed and go hard to the net to score, something they got away from doing. Hopefully these type of games will remind them of what they need to do to actually win this tournament, since it seemed like they had lost a little bit of focus over the last two nights.

yeah,they're doing a great job out there,just splendid.

hey my point start blaming the players for the penalties. Not the ref. It's the same thing in the NHL, people keep on protecting the idiot players over and over again.

slightly odd since staal was been tearing it up in the OHL offensively this year. that's why i wondered if his role for team canada has been limited to a defensive one

I found it odd that Staal would be asked to be the big-minute defensive guy with Parent, but c'est la vie. Whoever is with Parent is not going to be concentrating on scoring anyway. He's there to shut down, so is his partner.

slightly odd since staal was been tearing it up in the OHL offensively this year. that's why i wondered if his role for team canada has been limited to a defensive one

Yah, my post was a little vague, but that's kind of what I was getting at. Staal really isn't expected to produce much offensively in the tournament. He does, however, already have 4 shots this game.

But Bourdon is currently leading Team Canada in shots with 6 (as of the intermission), and has 1 goal and 1 assist.

Staal and Parent are simply dominant defensively though. They are PK monsters.

If Canada didn't score another goal for the rest of the night, it wouldn't have been because of the official. It would have been because they got away from their game. I'm not a referee, but it becomes clear that as long as you keep your feet moving, you will get the chances to win.

This seems to be a common trend in most international tournaments.

oh come on!

that downie was awful

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The guy may have made 2 or 3 mistakes but overall he's making the calls. The one on Broudon clearly wasn't a good one but he should have got one right before. Overall I think he's alright.

His two mistakes were 1. flying to Canada, and 2. thinking he could officiate.

At least half the penalties he has called should not have been called.

This guy is embarrassing the sport of hockey.

Sadly, we're stuck with those things for the Olympics too.

Oh don't worry, once they realize that nobody will buy those monstrosities, they will disappear.

The refereeing is an absolute joke. It's disgraceful and unworthy of a tournament of this calibre.

The refereeing is an absolute joke. It's disgraceful and unworthy of a tournament of this calibre.

No, no, no. The officiating is fine. The only fan in this thread who is qualified to judge told us so. :sarcasm:

No, we get real referees for the Olympics.

The crowd is so pissed they are even booing penalties against Norway.

I feel bad for people that wasted their good money to go to this atrocity.


This is a real ref, the same that you will get at the Olympics.

These are the WORLD Championships with 10 teams. Only 2 of those teams are North American... why does everyone have to play with the North American definition of a cross-check or a charge if 8 of the teams are from Europe by which standards the ref is calling the game?

Was that a good penalty on Downie there FSU? good call? you make the call FSU!!!

I didn't see it ... I'll get back watching the game

and even if a guy hooks someone else and it doesn't affect the play, it's still a penalty. I don't know why guys like McGuire can't recognize that.

No, no, no. The officiating is fine. The only fan in this thread who is qualified to judge told us so. :sarcasm:


Seriously, as a knowledgeable fan you shouldn't take out your team's difficulty to adapting to the way a game is called on the ref. Standard European ref, calling it by European standards.

No, no, no. The officiating is fine. The only fan in this thread who is qualified to judge told us so. :sarcasm:

hey, blame the players not the ref.

Does Steve Downie ever leave the ice? :dunno:

Everytime I look, # 7 is on the ice

This is a real ref, the same that you will get at the Olympics.

These are the WORLD Championships with 10 teams. Only 2 of those teams are North American... why does everyone have to play with the North American definition of a cross-check or a charge if 8 of the teams are from Europe by which standards the ref is calling the game?

I believe they are using NHL referees in the Olympics...

I'll flip your question: Why do we constantly have to suffer the European non-contact version of the game? Canada and the US may only be two of the six major hockey nations (the other four teams in this tournament are just filler), but why should the North American style be tossed in favor of this garbage?

I said it earlier in the thread, but this tournament is being held in North America. It should be officiated in the North American style. When the tournament is in Europe, it should be called their way.

Anyway, I'm off to the Flames game, where bodychecking isnt a crime. Thank god.

Seriously, as a knowledgeable fan you shouldn't take out your team's difficulty to adapting to the way a game is called on the ref. Standard European ref, calling it by European standards.
yeah,thats the problem,just worse then usual.
I'm not taking our teams game out on the ref,i'm taking him ruining any kind of good game we hoped to see.The U.S Finland game earlier that i watched today was full of this stuff too.Geez...................boring to watch.

hey, blame the players not the ref.

maybe you're a 7 year old kid or whatever, maybe that's why you can't understand

Your delusions of superiority may convince you you are right, but given you are pretty much the only person currently defending this clown, I am forced to ask why you believe your opinion trumps the vast majority.

hey, blame the players not the ref.
What about the late whistles by the linesmen??? That is very frustrating to me.

Canada's problem the last 2 games is that they have quit skating.

Against Finland, they skated hard and they skated constantly.

Against Switzerland and Norway, however, they are doing a lot of standing around and a lot of watching the play happen rather than participate. They also are trying to go against the defense 1-on-1 quite a bit, instead of using teamwork.

so is this just a crappy slow game or what? i assume it's actually still going on?

hey, blame the players not the ref.

Are you related to the ref or something? There is no reason to blame the players as LOTS of these penalties are undeserved and are not there fault........

The one on Bourdon wasn't but he should have got one the play before.


He laid a clean body check on an opposing player who had just gotten rid of the puck. How on earth should that have been a penalty. At least he did have a "hold" of the Norwegian players jersey on the actual penalty call on the play after where he rubbed him out along the boards.

Seriously, as a knowledgeable fan you shouldn't take out your team's difficulty to adapting to the way a game is called on the ref. Standard European ref, calling it by European standards.

This would make sense... but doesn't Norway lead in PIM's right now? I agree with Resolute though, if it's played in North America, call it that way.

Canada's problem the last 2 games is that they have quit skating.

Against Finland, they skated hard and they skated constantly.

Against Switzerland and Norway, however, they are doing a lot of standing around and a lot of watching the play happen rather than participate. They also are trying to go against the defense 1-on-1 quite a bit, instead of using teamwork.

I think this has to do with the opponents. As a player it may be harder to "fear losing" to Norway than it would be with Finland. I still think it must be difficult for this team to not look forward to Saturday. I know as a fan I looked right past the swiss and norwegians towards the americans. Its just hard to get excited for a game like this. Norway has had little to no offensive pressure.q

Now that was a WEAK call.. goalie doesnt know where the puck is, Canadian player goes after it, penalty to Canada

I once had a similar penalty to that of Bertram and I asked the referee how you can slash someone when the blade of your stick never leaves the ice.

I guess Bertram is trying to figure out the same thing.

(If anything, the penalty should be a spear, not a slash. In this instance, I don't believe it should've been called a penalty at all.)

This is a real ref, the same that you will get at the Olympics.

These are the WORLD Championships with 10 teams. Only 2 of those teams are North American... why does everyone have to play with the North American definition of a cross-check or a charge if 8 of the teams are from Europe by which standards the ref is calling the game?

The European definition of a charge is a different than of a North Americans? I didn't know that. That explains why a guy got called after taking ONE stride and hitting a guy.

I'm not complaining because of the calls against Canada. There's no bias that I can see in these officials. The calls have been terrible for EVERYBODY. This clown put the Norwegians down two men for two invisible calls. If you can't see the infraction on a slo-mo replay, it's not a penalty.

They've turned one of the best HOCKEY tournaments in the world into a POWERPLAY tournament.

Hockey is an intense, physical game. You could call a penalty every 30 seconds if you really wanted to. Apparently these guys do. Case in point: great slashing call on Bertram.

And another weak call... 2 man advantage for Norway

The European definition of a charge is a different than of a North Americans? I didn't know that. That explains why a guy got called after taking ONE stride and hitting a guy.

I'm not complaining because of the calls against Canada. There's no bias that I can see in these officials. The calls have been terrible for EVERYBODY. This clown put the Norwegians down two men for two invisible calls. If you can't see the infraction on a slo-mo replay, it's not a penalty.

They've turned one of the best HOCKEY tournaments in the world into a POWERPLAY tournament.

Hockey is an intense, physical game. You could call a penalty every 30 seconds if you really wanted to. Apparently these guy do. Case in point: great slashing call on Bertram.

I have to disagree here. The penalties have been an issues in this tournament every year. You can't really say they've TURNED this into a powerplay tournament. This is the way it is always called.

It's been so bad the crowd is starting to boo a Norway offside after a Bourdon hit because they hear the whistle and assume it's a penalty on luc.That's how bad it's been.

I believe they are using NHL referees in the Olympics...

I'll flip your question: Why do we constantly have to suffer the European non-contact version of the game? Canada and the US may only be two of the six major hockey nations (the other four teams in this tournament are just filler), but why should the North American style be tossed in favor of this garbage?

I said it earlier in the thread, but this tournament is being held in North America. It should be officiated in the North American style. When the tournament is in Europe, it should be called their way.

Anyway, I'm off to the Flames game, where bodychecking isnt a crime. Thank god.


NHL released a list of referees that will accompany International referees. Im sorry, you dont get AMerican and Canadian refs refing all the games.

If you dont like what you see, change the channel. If your team cant play without taking penalties, perhaps they shouldnt play. What else can I say, standard rules... which are NOT going to change based on the location of the tournament.

It's been so bad the crowd is starting to boo a Norway offside after a Bourdon hit because they hear the whistle and assume it's a penalty on luc.That's how bad it's been.
they are actually chanting LUUUUUUUC, so it sounds like booing. Not sure if they were on that particular play, but they have been.

I have to disagree here. The penalties have been an issues in this tournament every year. You can't really say they've TURNED this into a powerplay tournament. This is the way it is always called.

It's never been this bad.

I sure hope the ref lets them play on saturday. That game is going to be a barn burner.

shoot The Puck

I have to admit, these refs must truely be pathetic, because in my couple years of posting on these boards, this is the most complaing I have ever seen about officiating.

It's never been this bad.

Oh my friend, I'm afraid it has. I admit that I'm not getting any younger but I sure can remember Paul Romaniuk was whining just like Pierre is. There was a Swedish referee, I believe his name was Andersson and let me tell you, he was worse than this.

Granted, this still isn't good. Its just that its not like the reffing in say, 1992 was much different, imo.

I have to admit, these refs must truely be pathetic, because in my couple years of posting on these boards, this is the most complaing I have ever seen about officiating.

And if the Norway had a lot of fans on this board, the complaining would be even greater, as he's been probably even worse for them.

I'm not really complaining as a team Canada supporter, but more as a fan of hockey in general. This ref has sucked the life out of this game.

NHL released a list of referees that will accompany International referees. Im sorry, you dont get AMerican and Canadian refs refing all the games.

If you dont like what you see, change the channel. If your team cant play without taking penalties, perhaps they shouldnt play. What else can I say, standard rules... which are NOT going to change based on the location of the tournament.

C'mon, Slitty, you can't actually believe what you're saying. There is no excuse for phantom calls. They're not in any standard rulebook I've ever seen.

Don't tell me sightings about bigfoot can't be true,i just saw Pokulok on the ice.They told me he did'nt really exist,he was just a myth.Turns out it was'nt true,he does.

Oh my friend, I'm afraid it has. I admit that I'm not getting any younger but I sure can remember Paul Romaniuk was whining just like Pierre is. There was a Swedish referee, I believe his name was Andersson and let me tell you, he was worse than this.

Granted, this still isn't good. Its just that its not like the reffing in say, 1992 was much different, imo.

There are a few bad calls every game, but I've never this many. The number of penalties being called says it all.

Don't tell me sightings about bigfoot can't be true,i just saw Pokulok on the ice.They told me he did'nt really exist,he was just a myth.Turns out it was'nt true,he does.

Its about time. He should be getting a few shifts here and there. If one of the top 6 get hurt, they can't have this guy come in cold.

Great boarding call! The 29th penalty of the game.

Penalty again.

There are a few bad calls every game, but I've never this many. The number of penalties being called says it all.


I think the sheer number is due to the fact that the IIHF has chose to call the new "nhl rules". It is an adjustment for the refs, as well. I know it was for the NHL guys, so it should be the same for these guys. I'd imagine that there may be some confusion on their side, as well.

pierre's right,this team is a tad offensively challenged.They are bad in their shot selection,tentative to shoot,and seem to lack natural finishing skills for the most part.They'll have to play great defense to win it all.

Penalty for a clean hit. Charging.

I think the sheer number is due to the fact that the IIHF has chose to call the new "nhl rules". It is an adjustment for the refs, as well. I know it was for the NHL guys, so it should be the same for these guys. I'd imagine that there may be some confusion on their side, as well.


This the world championship, not a peewee tournament. Now isn't the time for confusion. This guy is calling routine, clean hits. It has nothing to do with the new NHL.

Seriously... are they allowed to hit in Europe? Cause I don't get these "charging" penalties. And O'Mara got tossed too.

Ok...

I can't take this anymore. I think I'm going to have to turn this off.

Clean body check by O Marra, not even a thunderous one. And he gets a misconduct.

The Canadian bench is laughing.

This game is an *** joke.

pierre's right,this team is a tad offensively challenged.They are bad in their shot selection,tentative to shoot,and seem to lack natural finishing skills for the most part.They'll have to play great defense to win it all.

Its true man. They need to shoot the puck. I've picked on Latendresse a number of times already, but I'll say this----at least he shoots. Somebody's got to get a hold of Cogliano. This kid looks to pass waaaayy too often.

Since they are offensively challenged, that is they should be encouraged to shoot the puck.

Finally something exciting...and nothing comes from it. :shakehead

Stupidity from Pyatt and Bertram.

ITS NORWAY PEOPLE!!!!!!! LET IT GO! ITS NOT WORTH IT!!!! THESE GUYS AREN'T WORTH IT!

Wait...are you guys losing to Norway?

I was sure it was going to be another laugher, like the Norway/USA game.

And now we got ourselves a team bruhaha.

Pierre is right on this one, assist on the fight to the Ref.

Pathetic.

I've been watching this tournament for quite some time (I'm 20, I've been watching since around 1995-96 I figure) and this is definitely the worst officiating I've ever, ever, ever seen in a game. I remember the Swedish ref that someone else mentioned in this thread at being worse, but I have to disagree. This guy is so much worse. He lost complete control of this game at the end by making a joke of it in the first place.

Also Like to add that this was the worst hockey game I've ever witnessed in my life. I go watch my buddies intermural games at Brock U, and even they are better then this garbage I witnessed tonight.

Brock smash! :rant:

Stupidity from Pyatt and Bertram.

ITS NORWAY PEOPLE!!!!!!! LET IT GO! ITS NOT WORTH IT!!!! THESE GUYS AREN'T WORTH IT!

Bull, they ran the goalie, give em hell.

Wait...are you guys losing to Norway?

I was sure it was going to be another laugher, like the Norway/USA game.


No.. 4-0.. apparently there were 38 total penalties in the game. Apparently, by the way some in this thread are talking, this is the way the game is played in Europe.

Wait...are you guys losing to Norway?

I was sure it was going to be another laugher, like the Norway/USA game.
Canada is a different team than the USA. They are not as skilled or offensively talented, but are more well-rounded and gritty.

Bull, they ran the goalie, give em hell.

Not smart if they were to drop their gloves and get suspended for the us game. At least if they were playing the US---I would say have at 'er. But still, is it worth getting suspended when playing Norway???

Wait...are you guys losing to Norway?

I was sure it was going to be another laugher, like the Norway/USA game.
You're fairly plucky.How much did Team terrific pound Finland by? And i watched the game and you sure did'nt look like world beaters to me.

Canada is a different team than the USA. They are not as skilled or offensively talented, but are more well-rounded and gritty.

Canada had 50 shots on net...

someone tell me the final score.

I'm really disappointed in how quiet the Vancouver fans have been. Is this what happens when they move this event to bigger markets from smaller places like Halifax and Winnipeg? They'd better get off their hands from here on in because they've been no advantage to Canada whatsoever.

it's over. 4-0 canada. shots 51-12 or something
the iihf is an embarassment.
that ref was an absolute idiot.
35 minor penalties.
every hit was a penalty. maybe he thought he
was reffing Atom hockey

someone tell me the final score.

Canada 4-0.

Canada had 50 shots on net...
I know, I'm just speaking of their style of play.

Canada had 50 shots on net...
yep,but mediocore finish though.

Canada had 50 shots on net...
Of which 35 were shots from the point. No good shots from the slot and certainly no tic-tac-toe tap ins.

I'm uninspired so far. But we will se on Saturday night.

"I don't think there's an official on the planet who could call a worse game." -- Brian Burke, Anaheim GM, said on TSN after the game.

That says it all for me.

Of which 35 were shots from the point. No good shots from the slot and certainly no tic-tac-toe tap ins.

I'm uninspired so far. But we will se on Saturday night.

I hate to say it, but I think that a spanking from the US would do this team some good. It should at least wake them the hell up for the Medal rounds.

Thankyou Brian Burke. Great speech.

"say what you will about the officiating, these guys need to adjust"

"I don't think there is worse refereeing on the planet"

--I agree with both statements. The coaching staff needs to scout the next official and go over their tendancies. They can't take dumb penalties against the us.

Your delusions of superiority may convince you you are right, but given you are pretty much the only person currently defending this clown, I am forced to ask why you believe your opinion trumps the vast majority.

I made it clear that I didn't call you a 7 year old kid because you didn't have the same opinion, I called you a 7 year old kid because you're making me say things I didn't say. I said blame the players not the ref and you turned it in some sort of game.

i'm more of a reader than a poster on HF but i cannot believe the officiating i just witnessed. I thought the german ref in the swiss game was putrid but this guy outdid him. unbelievable.
canada is clearly Offensively challenged - they need to shoot and crowd the net for ugly goals..too many rebounds are being left to the opposing D to clear - the PP also needs work..big itme..
but the ref...wow..that was beyond awful.

That is 2 games we have had plenty of shots, not many goals. COuld be more... So is it hot goalie 2 games in a row or lack of scorers.

The coaching staff needs to scout the next official and go over their tendancies. They can't take dumb penalties against the us.

Dumb penalties are one thing. How do you prevent phantom calls?

Hysteria is on. Enough is enough. I guess IIHF should fine TSN or even dump them. I am sure CBC would do a much better job, only because there is no Pierre the whine Mcquire.

canada is also making the goalies look good..not getting any screen shots...not doing enough down low..too many of these perimeter shots and shots from the D backed up against the blue line

the kind of things that happened at the end of the game could have been avoided so easily. The crowd got into the mix and booed the ref, coaches lost their calm. Now, luckily nobody is suspended but what if Barker of some other guy would have been tossed out for a brawl against Norway for christ's sake.

The coaches lost their calm because of an average game by the ref, what is it going to be against the US ?

Dumb penalties are one thing. How do you prevent phantom calls?
I see what he's saying but i also see what you're saying.How do we prepare for not being able to hit? geez,thats our game.

How did Bourdon play tonight?

I tried to get an assessment at canuckscentral but all I got was - HE RULED!!1!!11

The scrum at the end had a lot to do with pent up frustration on both sides caused by horrible reffing. The league should review the calls and suspend the bonehead refs.

That is 2 games we have had plenty of shots, not many goals. COuld be more... So is it hot goalie 2 games in a row or lack of scorers.

it's clear that Canada didn't spend much time working on the PP, all they do is taking shots from the blue line. Really aweful hockey. They ask guys like Cogliano and other good offensive players to do the job of a 4th liner.

average game by the ref?? hmm sounds like a compliment. let's see 30+ minor penalties --- that would equal close to 1 every 2 minutes or less...where is the flow in the game? when a ref calls it like that for both teams, he is clearly making it about him, and taking the game away from the players. that's not hockey, that's an incompetent ref with an ego problem

Hysteria is on. Enough is enough. I guess IIHF should fine TSN or even dump them. I am sure CBC would do a much better job, only because there is no Pierre the whine Mcquire.
No wonder,35 penalties man.I don't know why you want to watch that stuff but i sure don't.I would'nt want to be one of the guys who shelled out the big bucks for the package tickets to this event.

Hysteria is on. Enough is enough. I guess IIHF should fine TSN or even dump them. I am sure CBC would do a much better job, only because there is no Pierre the whine Mcquire.

that's right

the kind of things that happened at the end of the game could have been avoided so easily. The crowd got into the mix and booed the ref, coaches lost their calm. Now, luckily nobody is suspended but what if Barker of some other guy would have been tossed out for a brawl against Norway for christ's sake.

The coaches lost their calm because of an average game by the ref, what is it going to be against the US ?

Average game by the ref, open your eyes dude he was horiable.