Regarding Kiprusoff

According to Eric Duhatschek on HNIC's Hot Stove segment tonight, Kiprusoff did tell Finnish officials that he would not be able to play in the Olympics before the team was named. Kurri named him anyway. Kipper is apparently quite disapointed that he is being made out to be the bad guy in this situation.

Can't blame him. The Finns screwed up, and are now trying to pin their mistake in naming Kiprusoff on the man himself.

According to Eric Duhatschek on HNIC's Hot Stove segment tonight, Kiprusoff did tell Finnish officials that he would not be able to play in the Olympics before the team was named. Kurri named him anyway. Kipper is apparently quite disapointed that he is being made out to be the bad guy in this situation.

Can't blame him. The Finns screwed up, and are now trying to pin their mistake in naming Kiprusoff on the man himself.

So becauce Duhatschek says it is so, it is so? Kurri said earlier, that they had agreed with Kipper that they would select him to the team and review his status closer to the olympics.

So becauce Duhatschek says it is so, it is so? Kurri said earlier, that they had agreed with Kipper that they would select him to the team and review his status closer to the olympics.
Well he knows more then you, that's for sure.

Here's it is in detail:

Kiprusoff is getting the hip treated after every game and practice, which is why he's almost never available for interviews these days so that he can play with some level of comfort. So why didn't Kiprusoff notify the Finns ahead of time of his decision? Turns out he did. Kiprusoff spoke to Finland's national coach, Erkka Westerlund, when the Flames were in Nashville; and then talked to him again on the phone prior to the roster announcement. Kiprusoff figured they'd keep him off the team. Instead, the Finns named him anyway, in the hopes that the injury does clear up on its own by February and that he would be available. Nor did Kiprusoff get any pressure from his NHL team to make the decision, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.

Well he knows more then you, that's for sure.


That is not the question here. The question is, is he telling the truth or is Kurri telling the truth. I am out of that equation.

Like I said, Westerlund and Kurri have both stated that Kippers situation was supposed to be reviewed later, before the olympics. So one side here is talking BS.

Should I add "here it is in detail" to make it more credible or what were you after?

Who did Kurri mean by "they" ?

Sounds like Finland was pressuring Kiprusoff to play, Kiprusoff didn't want to play and thought by tone and lack of enthusiasum that Finland knew he didn't want to play.

Does'nt matter what we all hear or think................he'll play or not,it's up to him.

Who did Kurri mean by "they" ?

Sounds like Finland was pressuring Kiprusoff to play, Kiprusoff didn't want to play and thought by tone and lack of enthusiasum that Finland knew he didn't want to play.

Ok. Kurri said that him and Westerlund had talked with Kipper many times this season, and that they together (Kurri, Westerlund, Kipper) had decided they would review the situation closer to the games.

Enough clarification?

The fact of the matter is that Kiprusoff's relationship with the Finnish federation is shaky at best. Greg Millen was talking about how people weren't very endearing to Kiprusoff after last year's worlds (I don't know what happened). I know I wouldn't want to do anything to piss off the best goalie in my country.

I know I wouldn't want to do anything to piss off the best goalie in my country.


Who is the best goalie in Papua New Guinea? ;)

According to Eric Duhatschek on HNIC's Hot Stove segment tonight, Kiprusoff did tell Finnish officials that he would not be able to play in the Olympics before the team was named. Kurri named him anyway. Kipper is apparently quite disapointed that he is being made out to be the bad guy in this situation.

Can't blame him. The Finns screwed up, and are now trying to pin their mistake in naming Kiprusoff on the man himself.

Bro... What's the problem here.. They closed the other thread and you still keep coming back with this. Finns are pissed off because of what happened here, you would be too if your best player decided to pull this ****.

Bro... What's the problem here.. They closed the other thread and you still keep coming back with this. Finns are pissed off because of what happened here, you would be too if your best player decided to pull this ****.

We brought it back up because people jumped to conclusions about Kipper around here, and Duhatschek set the record straight.

We brought it back up because people jumped to conclusions about Kipper around here, and Duhatschek set the record straight.

Umm...I am sure you have a good reason for clinging to his words, but just for the sake of conversation, who the **** is Duhatsek. A reporter?

I know who Jari Kurri is (he actually does have something to do with team finland you know...as in he is the GM of the team), and he is saying the opposite thing. I would not trust what Kurri says 100% , but I sure dont trust this other guy either.

I am not saying Kurri "set the record straight" so you should not either regarding this other person. It is not the absolute truth just because you would want it to be. Let's wait and see what is the truth here.

Usually GM's have more info about their own team than reporters have....

We brought it back up because people jumped to conclusions about Kipper around here, and Duhatschek set the record straight.

Listen... Duhatsek couldn't set it straight if he had a ruler.

I understand the point of view that you guys have. You are obviously more concerned about the Flames and their successes than that of team Finland. Understandable.... Let's not take this out of perspective though. Let's face it, Finland does not have the amount of elite players that Canada has. For us Kipper was one of our best players, and in order to succeed in the Olympic gold (which happens to be our holy grail), we need this guy.

Umm...I am sure you have a good reason for clinging to his words, but just for the sake of conversation, who the **** is Duhatsek. A reporter?

One of the most respected reporters in hockey, one of the most connected media officials to the Flames and in general one of the most connected writers in the entire league.

You know Duhatchuk is genuine when he can give the exact dates Kiprusoff talked to Finland

I want to see an exact quote or link, since the story your presenting seems sketchy.

One of the most respected reporters in hockey, one of the most connected media officials to the Flames and in general one of the most connected writers in the entire league.

You know Duhatchuk is genuine when he can give the exact dates Kiprusoff talked to Finland

I want to see an exact quote or link, since the story your presenting seems sketchy.

I am sure he is genuine, the thing is, he knows when Kipper talked to team finland....but Jari Kurri knows what they talked about. Since he was the guy on the phone. Or the guy standing beside Kipper, talking to him. I dont know how's Dukhatceks finnish these days, but I am sure something was lost in translation :D


http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Calgary/2005/12/23/1366310-cp.html

What else do you need?

"We were aware of his problems," added Kurri. "We discussed it with him several times during the fall. Naturally, Kiprusoff is worried about his hip inflammation and worried about his future career, but we agreed that he would be nominated. Then we would wait and see and take a final decision just before the Olympics."

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Calgary/2005/12/23/1366310-cp.html

What else do you need?

"We were aware of his problems," added Kurri. "We discussed it with him several times during the fall. Naturally, Kiprusoff is worried about his hip inflammation and worried about his future career, but we agreed that he would be nominated. Then we would wait and see and take a final decision just before the Olympics."
That's what I needed

Looks like Finland was pressuring Kiprusoff to play, and Kiprusoff didn't really want to play. Kiprusoff likely assuming that by his lackluster interest, Finland would back off, but they named him anyways, so he had to withdraw.

Exactly. "We" in this case far more likely means Kurri and his coaching staff than Kurri and Kiprusoff.

Bro... What's the problem here.. They closed the other thread and you still keep coming back with this. Finns are pissed off because of what happened here, you would be too if your best player decided to pull this ****.

The other thread was closed because it went off topic, and probably got personal. That doesnt mean that all discussion about the topic itself becomes banned. The most respected reporter in hockey made a relevent statement about this situation that I felt was important enough to post. If there is a guy in hockey with access to the inner workings of the Flames, it is Duhatchek.

So even though the general manager of team finland says he had talked to Kipper several times and both agreed that they would name him and check his status closer to the olympics, this Duhatchek guy knows better? :shakehead

Like Kurri said, Kipper's situation was supposed to be reviewed closer to the actual games. What made him change his mind, the same day the selection was made? Everyone knows what changed his mind. He was told not to go, quite simple. We do not need to discuss the decision itself, or who likes it and who does not. The main point is he was told not to go, and also given an excuse to use.

It is pointless to argue of this matter, cause both sides has their own view, so PLEASE everyone stop.

So even though the general manager of team finland says he had talked to Kipper several times and both agreed that they would name him and check his status closer to the olympics, this Duhatchek guy knows better? :shakehead

Like Kurri said, Kipper's situation was supposed to be reviewed closer to the actual games. What made him change his mind, the same day the selection was made? Everyone knows what changed his mind. He was told not to go, quite simple. We do not need to discuss the decision itself, or who likes it and who does not. The main point is he was told not to go, and also given an excuse to use.
Maybe the injury got worse since he got named?

Did you see the game tonight? Trust me, Markannan and Toskala would be a far better option. Heck, I'm a little worried with Kiprusoff here in Calgary... I think you'll see Sauve play alot more.

And yes, I think Duhatchuk knows better. Heck, I believe he has a better handle on the situation then Kiprusoff likely has himself. Duhatchuk is a VERY well respected and well connected reporter... Kurri may have Finland's side, but Duhatchuk probably has both, along with Sutter, Team Canada all the way down to what Team Italy thinks.

And, like I said above, from everything I've read, it looks like Finland was really pressuring Kiprusoff to go, but Kipper really didn't want to go.

I thought Kiprusoff was great tonight. What did you see that signalled problems?

I guess I just have low standards for goaltenders :lol:

Maybe the injury got worse since he got named?


So it got worse, was diagnosed and announced in the 10+ hours after he was named? :biglaugh:


Heck, I'm a little worried with Kiprusoff here in Calgary... I think you'll see Sauve play alot more.


So am I. He should rest now and get better. Flames have no use for a goalie they force to play injured...could lead to even more serious injuries. That has been my main point. His time is to rest right now. If he is healthy when olympics start, he should play there, but by no means I want him playing injured. Not for flames or for Finland. Serves no purpose.


And yes, I think Duhatchuk knows better. Heck, I believe he has a better handle on the situation then Kiprusoff likely has himself. Duhatchuk is a VERY well respected and well connected reporter... Kurri may have Finland's side, but Duhatchuk probably has both, along with Sutter, Team Canada all the way down to what Team Italy thinks.


The whole arguement was about what had been agreed on between Kipper and Team Finland. The GM of team finland knows that subject better than any reporter in this world, since he was part of those conversations. Duhatchuk might know a whole lot and be an insider, but he will never know the discussion better than the two sides who talked. In this sort of case, always go with the actual source, not a reporter. Even if he had a recording of the conversations, he would not know it any better than the two people doing the talking. Then he would have equal information (which is not the case).


And, like I said above, from everything I've read, it looks like Finland was really pressuring Kiprusoff to go, but Kipper really didn't want to go.

I really don't know where you got that impression from. Must be from these few opinions on this board by fans who like to come up with their own truths. Kurri told the press what had been discussed, there was no pressure, just a normal "Let's see where we stand when it's time". Injured players get selected to the teams, the olympics are almost 2 months away....if selecting someone to a squad is pressuring them, then every selected player in any team is pressured by their country. Kippers case was no different. NOW he is pressured from many sides, for obvious reasons. Before his announcement to stay out his selection was just one among others.

You know, its entirely possible that the drugs Kiprusoff would have to take to control this "inflamation" and keep playing for the Flames would mean he would fail the Olympic drug test, and that's why he's not playing.

Of course, then the question is why don't they just say that, why lie about resting and healing during the break....

You know, its entirely possible that the drugs Kiprusoff would have to take to control this "inflamation" and keep playing for the Flames would mean he would fail the Olympic drug test, and that's why he's not playing.

Of course, then the question is why don't they just say that, why lie about resting and healing during the break....

Because then half the league would be in an uproar about the Flames' roided-up goalie.

We brought it back up because people jumped to conclusions about Kipper around here, and Duhatschek set the record straight.
Duhatschek is a good writer. He's also a Flame shill.
This imo is a classless move by Kipper.

So becauce Duhatschek says it is so, it is so? Kurri said earlier, that they had agreed with Kipper that they would select him to the team and review his status closer to the olympics.


I'm sure Duhatschek know a lot more about this situation than you. He works in the business and has more connections and resources than you. He wouldn't go on HNIC to make up stories knowing millions of peoplare are watching him.

In regards to you, you have no basis to call him a liar because you quite frankly don't have the inside information. Even on TSN, they reported that Kippur had pulled himself out. Why not go questioning TSN reports...??

still, it's so sad he won't be there

GO SUOMI!!!!!!!!

I'm sure Duhatschek know a lot more about this situation than you. He works in the business and has more connections and resources than you. He wouldn't go on HNIC to make up stories knowing millions of peoplare are watching him.

In regards to you, you have no basis to call him a liar because you quite frankly don't have the inside information. Even on TSN, they reported that Kippur had pulled himself out. Why not go questioning TSN reports...??

It's not his word against mine, its his words against Kurri. I thought this was simple enough for everyone to comprehend.

General manager of team finland says something and this report guy says the opposite. Which one has more inside knowledge? The guy who writes hockey columns or the one who was actually talking with Kipper about joining the team and his injury?

And nobody has said that Kipper did not pull himself out. Of course he did, the discussion was about whether or not he was told to do so by Calgary flames, which is obvious.

Did you even bother to read what had been said?

Actually, it is his word against your interpretation of what Kurri said.

Can you please show me where Kurri defined "we" as being himself and Kiprusoff rather than Kurri and his staff?

Quite frankly, I'll take Duhatchek's word on this one.

So the Flames fan want to keep stirring up this crap once again, even when the last thread was locked.

Let's make few things clear:

1) Dutschaek gets his info from Sutter & co, and thus his information is automatically biased. GMs use their beat writers as a information/propaganda tools very often. Anyone who thinks that Dutschaek is 'setting the record straight' is a naive fool.

2) Kipper has a hip/groin injury which should be rested NOW, not in february. They are risking a possible season-ending surgery by playing him more than any other goalie in the league. That would mean end to Calgary's play-off success and could possibly mean being out of play-offs altogether.

3) Flames fans think they know Kipper & his attitude better than anyone after knowing him for massive 2½ seasons while there are posters here who have been following his career 6-8 years longer than them.

This thread is most likely heading in to the same direction as the previous locked one.

Actually, it is his word against your interpretation of what Kurri said.

Can you please show me where Kurri defined "we" as being himself and Kiprusoff rather than Kurri and his staff?

Quite frankly, I'll take Duhatchek's word on this one.

Too bad you can't understand Finnish. But here goes:

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/hockeynight/

This article "Kiprusoffin lonkkavaiva oli tiedossa"


"Jari Kurrin, Erkka Westerlundin ja Miikka Kiprusoffin kesken kuitenkin sovittiin, että Kiprusoff nimetään joukkueeseen ja tilannetta tarkastellaan lähempänä olympiaturnausta uudelleen."

Translates to "A decision was made between Jari Kurri, Erkka Westerlund and Miikka Kiprusoff that Kiprusoff would be named to the team and his situation would be reviewed closer to the olympic tournament"


"- Luonnollisesti olemme keskustelleet Kiprusoffin kanssa hänen terveystilanteestaan useasti. Kipru on ollut huolissaan lonkkiensa kunnosta ja tietysti urastaan, mutta sovimme nimenomaan, että hän on mukana joukkueessa ja katsomme lähempänä olympiakisoja, mikä Kiprusoffin pelikunto on ja teemme ratkaisut tuolloin, vahvistaa maajoukkueen GM Jari Kurri."

Translates to "Naturally we have discussed the health issues with Kiprusoff quite a few times. Kipru has been worried about the condition of his hips, and naturally of his career, but we made a deal, that he will be in the team and that his situation will be reviewed closer to the games, and then we would make decisions, confirms the GM of Team Finland Jari Kurri".

It clearly states, that they made a deal, they agreed WITH Miikka Kiprusoff.

I really dont understand this unhealthy belief for Duhatchek. If you and your mother had a conversation about something, and Duhatchek wrote the exact opposite about your conversation in his column, you would believe him rather than your own memory....even though he was not even present?

Come ON! General manager of team finland says this was the deal. Why on earth would some god damn reporter know better what the deal was between Kurri and Kiprusoff? Can you explain it in any reasonable way? Does he tap their phones? Even then he would not know any better, he would only know equal.

This thread is most likely heading in to the same direction as the previous locked one.

Good call.