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Mr Kanadensisk 12-09-2005, 09:33 PM Canada has by far the most depth in goal, but I'm a little concerned that Hasek, Lundqvist or Kiprusoff could steal the show. I'm not that impressed with anyone on our list right now.
Belfour - over the hill
Brodeur - not having a good season
Cloutier - god help us if he plays
Joseph - chokes under pressure
Luongo - hard to evaluate because his team sucks
Raycroft - I'd rather use Cloutier
Theodore - been good but not great this year
Turco - been quite good, but unproven in pressure games
Ward - not even the # 1 goalie on his team!
One of these guys had better step it up in the next two months!
wilka91* 12-09-2005, 09:57 PM yeah but you already know that Brodeur and Luongo are gonna be there, Joseph being the number 3
and besides, Canada has the most depth at ANY POSITION. I'm not bashing any other country, but just like the US in baseball, Canada is number 1 in ice hockey.
Garbs 12-10-2005, 12:21 AM Brodeur - not having a good season
It's not as if we're taking the Devils defense with us.
Ronnie Bass 12-10-2005, 12:27 AM It's not as if we're taking the Devils defense with us.
Yeah, don't.
El_Scoobo 12-10-2005, 12:29 AM Please. Broduer will shine as always. Luongo can do it to. Goaltending is a strength of this team, imo.
Brodeur will start. Canada will have a better Defense corps than anything NJ can muster this season...
borrachon 12-10-2005, 01:56 AM Canada could play their #6 d-man and a forward for 60 minutes and they would still be better than NJ.
CB420 12-10-2005, 05:59 AM I gotta admit man, after watching the devils get spanked by cowtown the other night, I was kinda wondering about Marty brodeur and how he hasent been solid for most the season, yeah hes lacking defensive depth and paul martin isnt gonna replace neidermayer.
After watching parts of that devils/avs game tonight, even tho the devils lost in the shootout, it was kinda funny there all the avs werel looking high glove on marty and he shut down sakic, then hejduk I think, but he rebounded after that bad game, and you still gotta go with him as your #1
Mr Kanadensisk 12-10-2005, 06:55 AM In 98 we thought we couldn't lose with Roy in net and look what happened. Depth in goal doesn't help us if the other team's best goalie is better than our best goalie. If Hasek is still on fire come Turin, Canada had better be at the top of their game!
wildone26* 12-10-2005, 10:16 AM I do think Czechs will have to edge in goaltending over Canada right now with Hasek and Vokoun. Hopefully Canada can overcome that deficit. They still have very good goaltending, but the top goalies in Canada are not in top form this year, and Joseph is not somebody I would put money on vs a superstar goalie from another country.
AGraveOne 12-10-2005, 10:50 AM Joseph has played great with PHX this year, i say give him the shot...but Gretz will be seen as a homer if he does that, so it makes for a tough decision.
Truth be told though, the position is Brodeur's to lose. Any other decision and the controversy stirred up could totally distract the "replacement" goalie.
Interesting. In the past it has always been the opposite. Goaltending was our strength and offence was our weakness. While goaltending certainly is not our weakness I think that our offence is more solid than our defence this time around.
arrbez 12-10-2005, 12:42 PM Yeah, don't.
lol, did Dan McGillis make the list?
SpItFiReZ 12-10-2005, 01:54 PM Brodeur is already the gaurenteed starter Gretzky has said due to what happened at World Cup and Olympics. Only way he wouldn't is if he pulled out of the tourny.
katodelder 12-10-2005, 02:03 PM In 98 we...
...lost in a shootout.
Mr Kanadensisk 12-10-2005, 08:45 PM ...lost in a shootout.
Shootout's should never be used in elimination games, but that's the rule, and Canada better be prepared this time!
Walzy 12-11-2005, 12:17 AM don't eliminate Turco, he really found his game now....
and Pat Quinn had nice 60 minutes today to watch him :sarcasm:
Claypool* 12-11-2005, 12:30 AM ...lost in a shootout.
:cry:
oh and Brodeur was terrible in this past World Championships.
Hedberg 12-11-2005, 12:50 AM Brodeur was not terrible in the last world championships, especially considering how he didn't play before that.
Goaltending will be just fine. Even if Brodeur doesn't play great, both Turco and Joseph are having very good seasons
don't eliminate Turco, he really found his game now....
and Pat Quinn had nice 60 minutes today to watch him :sarcasm:
he played damn good tonight too.Nice work from him against the leafs this game.
TheDamned* 12-11-2005, 07:05 PM Some of you guys makes no sense.. it's obviously gonna be Brodeur #1, Luongo #2 and a guess #3
wilka91* 12-11-2005, 08:20 PM Brodeur was not terrible in the last world championships, especially considering how he didn't play before that.
Yeah but he was great at the World Cup after a long sunny vacation ...
wildone26* 12-11-2005, 08:25 PM Brodeur was pretty good in the World Championships, Vokoun was simply on fire in the final and outplayed him, and the Canadians could not cope with the Czechs defensive smothering in that game. Hopefully they will have figured out a solution to that by the Olympics.
thief50 12-11-2005, 08:27 PM yeah but you already know that Brodeur and Luongo are gonna be there, Joseph being the number 3
and besides, Canada has the most depth at ANY POSITION. I'm not bashing any other country, but just like the US in baseball, Canada is number 1 in ice hockey.
We could easely send two Team Canada and finish 1-2
I really don't want Luongo to backup Brodeur.
The backup should be a battle-tested veteran who has nerves of steel and can be thrown into pressure situations and remain calm, cool and collected. I don't trust a young guy like Luongo, who hasn't even played in the playoffs, to help provide that.
I like Luongo as a 3rd string goalie, a young goalie who would come, gain some experience, and give Canada a veteran goalie at the 2010 Olympics. But as a backup goalie who will be used minimally and only in desperate situations (when Brodeur's shelled out and we can't give up another goal), I would much prefer a proven veteran like Joseph or even Belfour or even Turco or even Theodore.
Frank Drebin 12-12-2005, 02:41 PM I really don't want Luongo to backup Brodeur.
The backup should be a battle-tested veteran who has nerves of steel and can be thrown into pressure situations and remain calm, cool and collected. I don't trust a young guy like Luongo, who hasn't even played in the playoffs, to help provide that.
I like Luongo as a 3rd string goalie, a young goalie who would come, gain some experience, and give Canada a veteran goalie at the 2010 Olympics. But as a backup goalie who will be used minimally and only in desperate situations (when Brodeur's shelled out and we can't give up another goal), I would much prefer a proven veteran like Joseph or even Belfour or even Turco or even Theodore.
Agree. You don't necesarily need the best goalie skill wise for a backup, you need the best back up goalie.
Lionel Hutz 12-12-2005, 02:43 PM If Marty is Canada's achillies heel, this team is pretty freaking strong. God I love this country.
Trottier 12-12-2005, 03:04 PM If Marty is Canada's achillies heel, this team is pretty freaking strong. God I love this country.
Dear God, this thread may be the funniest one yet.
A decade of certifiable Hall of Fame play, a Gold Medal already won, still in his prime...yet based on two months of less that amazing NHL play, Martin Brodeur becomes a liability! :biglaugh:
futurcorerock 12-12-2005, 03:07 PM Canada had depth in 1998, but that didn't stop the Czechs.
Point being, Canada is in a crisis of goaltending: Do they go with Olympic experience which is underperforming this season, or youth between the pipes that IS doing well, but has no Olympic experience?
Brodeur's going to get the nod, but what happens if he slips in the Tournament, or gives up a bad decision in the round robin? or even worse, becomes injured?
futurcorerock 12-12-2005, 03:13 PM yeah but you already know that Brodeur and Luongo are gonna be there, Joseph being the number 3
and besides, Canada has the most depth at ANY POSITION. I'm not bashing any other country, but just like the US in baseball, Canada is number 1 in ice hockey.
Dude, if you say Canada is to Hockey like America is to Baseball, then you all might want to pray long and hard to your gods.
Team USA didn't even play in the 2004 Olympics, they were eliminated in the qualifiers
And NO, don't even bring up Basketball, Argentina has our number there :sarcasm:
Lionel Hutz 12-12-2005, 03:14 PM Dear God, this thread may be the funniest one yet.
A decade of certifiable Hall of Fame play, a Gold Medal already won, still in his prime...yet based on two months of less that amazing NHL play, Martin Brodeur becomes a liability! :biglaugh:
In another recent thread, these youngsters were proclaiming Marty to be "old" and "on the backside".
Rabid Ranger 12-12-2005, 03:15 PM Dude, if you say Canada is to Hockey like America is to Baseball, then you all might want to pray long and hard to your gods.
Team USA didn't even play in the 2004 Olympics, they were eliminated in the qualifiers
And NO, don't even bring up Basketball, Argentina has our number there :sarcasm:
Not comparable in this instance. Olympic baseball has never featured the very best (read:MLB) players.
futurcorerock 12-12-2005, 03:18 PM Not comparable in this instance. Olympic baseball has never featured the very best (read:MLB) players.
You quoted the wrong guy then, I wasn't making much comparison.
Plus, IIRC Canada didn't have their 'best' in 98 -- Patrick Roy
Tuggy 12-12-2005, 03:21 PM Canada had depth in 1998, but that didn't stop the Czechs.
Point being, Canada is in a crisis of goaltending: Do they go with Olympic experience which is underperforming this season, or youth between the pipes that IS doing well, but has no Olympic experience?
Brodeur's going to get the nod, but what happens if he slips in the Tournament, or gives up a bad decision in the round robin? or even worse, becomes injured?
And then Luongo goes in. He has just as much International experience as any other countries goalies (save Hasek). Canada has no worries in net. The only problem we have is which all-star players to leave home.
Dude, if you say Canada is to Hockey like America is to Baseball, then you all might want to pray long and hard to your gods.
Team USA didn't even play in the 2004 Olympics, they were eliminated in the qualifiers
And NO, don't even bring up Basketball, Argentina has our number there :sarcasm:
They sure are pal...............the U.S.A(while being the favourite) will be in tough against teams like the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico,don't kid yourself.There is no-one to pitch to from the top to the bottom in their orders either,just like the States.You'll probably win.............but it won't be any cake-walk,not these days.You think you would have learned that from basketball.....................the world is catching up.American football you'd cream everyone,not in Baseball though.You're pretty much comparable to Canada in this athletic event.
Not comparable in this instance. Olympic baseball has never featured the very best (read:MLB) players.
They will have a world best competition soon and you'll get some difficult games, i garuntee it.You may possibly lose,it'as not inconcievable whatsoever.if it's a one game elimination final i would hardly think it's in the bag against teams like the Dominican or Rico.They'll have kick-*** teams.
Rabid Ranger 12-12-2005, 05:21 PM You quoted the wrong guy then, I wasn't making much comparison.
Plus, IIRC Canada didn't have their 'best' in 98 -- Patrick Roy
You're the one who brought up Olympic baseball.
Rabid Ranger 12-12-2005, 05:25 PM They will have a world best competition soon and you'll get some difficult games, i garuntee it.You may possibly lose,it'as not inconcievable whatsoever.if it's a one game elimination final i would hardly think it's in the bag against teams like the Dominican or Rico.They'll have kick-*** teams.
Not really the forum for this, but I agree, the U.S. will not waltz through the World Baseball Classic.
RangersFan88* 12-12-2005, 05:27 PM Canada has by far the most depth in goal, but I'm a little concerned that Hasek, Lundqvist or Kiprusoff could steal the show. I'm not that impressed with anyone on our list right now.
Belfour - over the hill
Brodeur - not having a good season
Cloutier - god help us if he plays
Joseph - chokes under pressure
Luongo - hard to evaluate because his team sucks
Raycroft - I'd rather use Cloutier
Theodore - been good but not great this year
Turco - been quite good, but unproven in pressure games
Ward - not even the # 1 goalie on his team!
One of these guys had better step it up in the next two months!
i like your thoughts ^^ very good LOOL
specially the comment on raycroft ... just great :biglaugh:
well thats the days people in canada wish back roy :teach:
but i have to say turco is playingvery good so does theodore
my three goalies they gonna take are
turco ,theodore and number 3 i dunno ,the rest isnt playing that good right now but i guess brodeur will still step up ,i still believe in him :innocent:
well i guess the czechs are gonna win it :yo:
cant go wrong with hasek :bow:
Rabid Ranger 12-12-2005, 05:27 PM They sure are pal...............the U.S.A(while being the favourite) will be in tough against teams like the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico,don't kid yourself.There is no-one to pitch to from the top to the bottom in their orders either,just like the States.You'll probably win.............but it won't be any cake-walk,not these days.You think you would have learned that from basketball.....................the world is catching up.American football you'd cream everyone,not in Baseball though.You're pretty much comparable to Canada in this athletic event.
Learned what from basketball? There has never been a truly best on best international competition in baseball. The World Baseball Classic will be the first such event. As for your last statement, are you comparing the U.S. in baseball to Canada in hockey?
Not really the forum for this, but I agree, the U.S. will not waltz through the World Baseball Classic.
True.I still think they will win it though.Too much talent depth in every position.
Learned what from basketball? There has never been a truly best on best international competition in baseball. The World Baseball Classic will be the first such event. As for your last staement, are you comparing the U.S. in baseball to Canada in hockey?
well,learned what Canada learned a long time ago...............you just can't send good to great pros,throw them together and expect to romp over everyone(which is really what they thought until the last world's in basketball) Countries are catching up and playing as a collective unit and have damn GOOD talent comparable to the U.S's best now,even if they don't all play in the NBA.That's what baseball fans in the U.S should have learned.And for some teams like i mentioned it's gonna be worse then the basketball example,because some teams are going to be all major leaguers and stars at that!! I think that competition is one game knock-out in a final game too.......................the U.S MAY not win,one hot big-time pitcher and some hot bats and she's over!!.Some fans seem to think they'll steamroll everyone(like we used to think in hockey) but i highly doubt it.Even Japan will be pretty good.
And yeah i am comparing the U.S in baseball to Canada in hockey...........it's not that far off.You are going to see some damn good teams in that baseball classic,i'm tellin ya................you may not win,you really may not.I think you most likely will win but it's far from in the bag,it really isn't.Fans in the U.S could be in for a shock,they truly could be.I'm not joking.
Just like we have some fans who are way too overconfident in hockey(especially in the past) you've got some fans who think basketball competitions and baseball showdowns are garunteed U.S wins......................they ain't anymore.
Mr Kanadensisk 12-12-2005, 08:44 PM Dear God, this thread may be the funniest one yet.
A decade of certifiable Hall of Fame play, a Gold Medal already won, still in his prime...yet based on two months of less that amazing NHL play, Martin Brodeur becomes a liability! :biglaugh:
Marty was the best goalie in hockey from the time Hasek first retired through to the 04 World Cup. I don't think there is any question that on paper Canada has the best forward and defense corp's in the world. But as the American's taught us in 96, and the Czech's in 98, a hot goalie and strong team play can bring down our beloved Team Canada. The goalie is by far the most important player on the ice, and Canada does not look like it will have the best goaltender in the tournament. My money is still on Gretz, but this won't be a cake walk!
Ry-Dogg 12-20-2005, 10:07 AM yea it comes down to Turco/Joseph for #3 but i think Luongo will steal the starting position from Brodeur here, he's been playing amazing from what i've seen i'd feel totally comfortable with him in net, Brodeur hasn't been playing that good this season but the more pressure the better he is it seems so i wouldn't be overly worried there, depending on how worried team canada's selection commitee is will depend on who they take, i think if they're worried they'd take Joseph, if they feel comfortable with Brodeur/Luongo they'll bring Turco to get him some experience
TravisUlrich 12-20-2005, 10:27 AM well i guess the czechs are gonna win it :yo:
cant go wrong with hasek :bow:
I thought Hasek was already confirmed as not going?
Anyway, I realize it may not be a popular opinion, but I'd really like to see Joseph be the back up to Marty Brodeur. Not that I see it happening, but if Brodeur does stink up the ice in the first game, I could see Cujo take over and win Canada gold this year like Brodeur did in 2002.
DracoFulmineus 12-20-2005, 12:29 PM Well, I've got my fingers crossed for Brodeur, then Cujo, then Turco(or Luongo). Hmm, I guess it's not really my business, though, since I'm American.
Stop looking at me like that!
I'm not a traitor, I swear!! :propeller
Well, it doesn't matter who Canada's goalies are, no one can beat the US with Grahame as our third. :sarcasm:
Pangu 12-20-2005, 02:19 PM Brodeur should be number one. He has won when it counts and plays his best behind great teams. On the other hand, Joseph plays his best behind bad teams and has yet to win any big championships (from what I recall). As a backup, I would prefer Luongo, who is more of a vet than Joseph in big international tournements. Especially if he gets to wear the big equipment.
SopelFan 12-20-2005, 02:27 PM I am pulling for Cujo to make the team.
Oilerfan120582 12-20-2005, 02:50 PM As much as I hate Dallas, I'm hoping Turco is the #2 goaltender. He has been playing well, and he handles the puck very much like Brodeur. I think that fact is very important, especially considering there will be no restrictions on goaltenders playing the puck in the Olympics. In such a short tournament, the defence doesn't have enough time to adjust to how a different goalie handles the puck, so I like the consistency from Brodeur to Turco if Marty goes down. Canada was rock solid defensively in the World Cup, until they allowed 40+ shots to the Czechs in the semi-finals. I don't think it was a coincidence that Luongo played in net that game. Our D had a hard time adjusting to his style of play and gave up a lot more chances as a result - I also think Brodeur's rebound control (when he is on his game) is superior to Luongo's.
That said, I'm still comfortable with Marty in net. While he is not having a great season, he is a proven big game goaltender. 3 cups, 2 vezinas, Olympic gold, World Cup gold - he's the man.
MooseHunter 12-20-2005, 06:27 PM Why is everyone so against Luongo as a backup? Hasn't made the playoffs yes, but he's been apart of 2 world championship teams. He has the ability to be a backup in the Olympics.
Jason MacIsaac 01-14-2006, 01:32 PM Yea, I bet all those other countries would love to have Canada's Achilles Heel right now. Some of you actually doubted Brodeur....shame :)
When he's on (and he is right now), he's on!
wildone26* 01-14-2006, 03:52 PM I do believe Canada has a strong enough team to overcome the superior goaltending tandem the Czechs have and still win.
Devilsfanatic 01-14-2006, 04:23 PM Really? Well, I'd love to have this problem.
Jason MacIsaac 01-16-2006, 01:43 AM I do believe Canada has a strong enough team to overcome the superior goaltending tandem the Czechs have and still win.
"superior goaltending tandem".....I would take Canada's goaltender any day of the week. Except the day that Hasek plays like he did at Nagano :)
NJ_Devil_Boy 01-20-2006, 05:50 PM Amazing what a month can do. :biglaugh: (No worries...we'll accept you back on the bandwagon)
octopi 01-20-2006, 06:36 PM Yea, I bet all those other countries would love to have Canada's Achilles Heel right now. Some of you actually doubted Brodeur....shame :)
Yeah, you think Canada's got goalie worries? How good have Khabibulin and Nabokov been this season? Until last month I was ranking Russia as the #2 team, now I'm saying #4 or #5 after observing their goalies and D are playing so far. Altho, I'd dare say they have the best offense in the tournament.
mug3n 01-20-2006, 09:16 PM They will have a world best competition soon and you'll get some difficult games, i garuntee it.You may possibly lose,it'as not inconcievable whatsoever.if it's a one game elimination final i would hardly think it's in the bag against teams like the Dominican or Rico.They'll have kick-*** teams.
The World Baseball Classic=sham.
You actually don't have the world's best playing for their respective countries. Guys like Matsui are backing out to commit to their MLB teams, there are also a-holes like Sheffield that doesn't want to injure his pretty ***, and some other guys like Isringhausen complain because the tourney is taking up their spring training time with their respective MLB clubs. There's just too many factors involved for the WBC to be called a "world best competition", ie - Cuba situation. Especially if it's sanctioned by MLB. You'll never get a good tournament running because MLB rather make greens than make a good tourney happen. You need an international governing body like IIHF is for hockey.
It's not a true tournament like Olympics hockey where you've actually got every country sending out top-notch players. And also, having a two-week break in the hockey season helps. If MLB paused for 2 weeks in the season for the Olympics, they have to push to November, and that's when it'll get really cold, so basically, you'll never see a decent world-class baseball tourney.
missinthejets 01-21-2006, 02:17 PM The backup should be a battle-tested veteran who has nerves of steel and can be thrown into pressure situations and remain calm, cool and collected. I don't trust a young guy like Luongo, who hasn't even played in the playoffs, to help provide that.
kind of like in the world cup where he was thrown in against the Czechs and did quite well??
Wetcoaster 01-21-2006, 02:31 PM kind of like in the world cup where he was thrown in against the Czechs and did quite well??
Actually Luongo was outstanding and made some incredible saves.
Mr BLUEandWHITE 01-21-2006, 02:54 PM Canada has by far the most depth in goal, but I'm a little concerned that Hasek, Lundqvist or Kiprusoff could steal the show. I'm not that impressed with anyone on our list right now.
Belfour - over the hill
Brodeur - not having a good season
Cloutier - god help us if he plays
Joseph - chokes under pressure
Luongo - hard to evaluate because his team sucks
Raycroft - I'd rather use Cloutier
Theodore - been good but not great this year
Turco - been quite good, but unproven in pressure games
Ward - not even the # 1 goalie on his team!
One of these guys had better step it up in the next two months!
what are you smoking??? can i have some??
AfroThunder396 01-21-2006, 08:06 PM Marty = 9 in a row = Gold Medal = God
Captain Lou 01-21-2006, 08:45 PM As an American and a Devil fan I hope you guys play luongo or turco or whoever. It means USA has better shot at the gold and 2 well-deserved weeks off for the best goalie in the world! :D
FoppaArGud 01-21-2006, 09:32 PM While I think that the Czech Republic has the strongest goaltending and arguably is the European favorite, I dont think Canada is weak in goal at all. Luongo has played in international competition and fared fine as a backup, Turco is having some groin problems so it remains to be seen if he will go, dress, etc. He has had a good stretch sandwiched between some pretty average ones. But Brodeur is still one of the top five goaltenders in the world and at his best, the very best. Add to that the fact that he has been on FIRE in the past month, posted three shutouts, ten wins etc.
Other than the Czechs, no one is close, Finland will have two good but unproven netminders in Lehtonen and Nittymaki (I guess Lehtonen will be number one) and Sweden has its eggs in the basket of a rookie. Those teams might win but not as much on goaltending as Canada or the Czechs will.
Mr Kanadensisk 01-22-2006, 12:42 AM what are you smoking??? can i have some??
Don't forget when that thread was started. I stand by my comments, except that, Thank God, Brodeur has found his game, and conversely Theodore has lost his!
The way it looks right now Turco will be sitting in the press box.
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