Proposal: BERTUZZI FOR GOMEZ, MATVICUK & CLEMMENSEN?

It's a possibilty. (From what I'm told) Thus, we'd bring up Hale.

So...do we pull the trigger?

proposal or rumor in your title would be the responsbile and smart thing to do.

I thought this was official and freaked out...
Yeah put PROPOSAL next time :sarcasm:

It's a possibilty. (From what I'm told) Thus, we'd bring up Hale.

So...do we pull the trigger?

Ok, this is stupid. Let's take on more salary and add another winger at the expense of our number one center.

edit: and it's not a "rumour" unless it's out there in print somewhere... this (as far as I can tell) is just a proposal based on your "source".. who, if this is what s/he tells you, is worse than he-that-shall-not-be-named.

Ok, this is stupid. Let's take on more salary and add another winger at the expense of our number one center.

Oh yeah, and title change... big time.

I would assume that a possible trade along these lines would be coupled with either the waiving of Malakhov or the trading/waiving of McGillis.

I would assume that a possible trade along these lines would be coupled with either the waiving of Malakhov or the trading/waiving of McGillis.

In return for a center comparable to Gomez? No chance.

This makes less than zero sense.

Ok, this is stupid. Let's take on more salary and add another winger at the expense of our number one center.

edit: and it's not a "rumour" unless it's out there in print somewhere... this (as far as I can tell) is just a proposal based on your "source".. who, if this is what s/he tells you, is worse than he-that-shall-not-be-named.

Why is it always assumed that there is a rule that the Devils can only make 1 trade? They can make this deal. Waive Malakhov and make another deal like McGillis for a 7th.

Bertuzzi for Gomez is pretty much what this deal would amount to as Hale would replace Matvichuk.

I also do not necessarily think this is a realistic deal or that it woukld happen but when people think the Devils cannot make a salary cap irrelevant deal or pick up some salary then that just makes for another deal.

BERTUZZI FOR GOMEZ, MATVICUK & CLEMMENSEN
It's a possibilty. (From what I'm told) Thus, we'd bring up Hale.

So...do we pull the trigger?

That must be a joke. Trade one of our only half decent D-men, the only centre we have that can pass the puck and a throw in for Bertuzzi? If Lou pulls this deal off, he ought to be sent to the loony bin.

I can't see Vancouver wanting another centre with Morrison, Sedin, and Linden there. I also can't see them wanting Clemmer unless they want a backup goalie that makes Cloutier look good instead of outplaying him. The only positive for them would be a solid D in Matvichuk.

From the Devils perspective, they would lose out offensively, defensively and in goal.

In return for a center comparable to Gomez? No chance.

This makes less than zero sense.

I'm not defending the trade.

i hope your wrong

We should pull the Trigger................

On you who ever thought up the deal.

Why would Vancouver want Ccllemmennssenn, and why would they need another centerman?

Why would Vancouver want Ccllemmennssenn, and why would they need another centerman?

Maybe because the Nucks intend to trade Morrison. Or maybe they want two playmakeing Centers. All I know is Naslund/Gomez would be disgustingly deadly. Any team can make room for and use another talented Center. That is like extra money in the bank. I do not know what they would want in Clemennsen.

As decent as Matvichuk has been for us he does not make the Devils an elite team and they need to make some changes. Having Hale replace Matvichuk is not going to make the Devils any worse then they are.

If this trade were to happen I would have no problem with it.

Lucky for Devil fans, nothing this "source" ever said came true.

Lucky for Devil fans, nothing this "source" ever said came true.


thank god i believe we need size on this team, but not at this cost

I don't know about the side deals but we are losing one of our dman anyway cap.

I would rather have bertuzzi than gomez, he brings grit and toughness, we are deep at center without gomer;

we still have kozlov/brylin/madden/parise..can all play center and rasmussen if we really get desperate

I don't know about the side deals but we are losing one of our dman anyway cap.

I would rather have bertuzzi than gomez, he brings grit and toughness, we are deep at center without gomer;

we still have kozlov/brylin/madden/parise..can all play center and rasmussen if we really get desperate

There is nothing desperate about Rasmussen being a shoe in as our 4th liner night in and night out. He is physical and a very good defensive Center. he is a less skilled Bobby Holik. One of the reasons for the Devils struggles this season is the lack of defensive contribution from our forwards. Rasmussen is solid defensively and is one of our few hard hitting forwards.

Kozlov is a better winger then Center as is Brylin although he wins faceoffs. The one downfall of trading Gomez even though I would still make him expendable to get the right player in return to spark the team is it would leave us even thinner at Center then we already are. Kozlov would be forced to play Center. In a few years it will not matter as Parise will be a suitable replacement for Gomez.

Rasmussen is a lot more improtant then people think. Perhaps if he played more then 7 minutes a game the Devils would fair a little better on 5 on 5. It is not like they do not have enough scoring on their top 2 lines and the right side of the Checking Line. Rasmussen played like a leader in the Pre-season. He played more then 10 minutes a game. Why is he getting such little ice time is moronic considering the Devils O has not helped out the Devils D.

bleh.

Gomez interests me, but the other two do not AT ALL.

good point about rasmussen..I feel the same about grant marhsall i think the guy deserves more ice time; rasmussen has played very little this season.

It doesn't make sense for Vancouver. They lose a winger in Bertuzzi and replace him with a centre when they already have Morrison and Sedin. Besides, Clemmenson when they already have Cloutier, Auld and Johnson?

No, no and no. I'll take Marleau, but not big Bert. If we were a cup contender maybe, but I much rather have youg players, prospects and picks! This team will contend for a cup in a few years. For now, we need to trim fat.

Ok, this is stupid. Let's take on more salary and add another winger at the expense of our number one center.

edit: and it's not a "rumor" unless it's out there in print somewhere... this (as far as I can tell) is just a proposal based on your "source".. who, if this is what s/he tells you, is worse than he-that-shall-not-be-named.

Let me just clear the air for a second on this matter.

This info I heard was not from "my source." This info came from a business colleague, whom, I had a meeting with this morning.

He happens to have a friend over at the Vancouver Sun, who heard some gossip (from a reporter there) that the Canucks were going to talk to the Devils about a possible trade for a goalie, defensemen & a center for Todd Bertuzzi. He says his friend mentioned that Gomez's name came up & that they would want a quality defenseman as well in that trade. Possibly Matvicuk, as he is one of those being offered around for a trade.

Only having 5 minutes in-between meetings, I asked if I could borrow his computer to post this info up on this site. My bad that I didn't put in the title, "PROPOSAL" & I apologize about that error. Regarding Clemmensen...I'm throwing that out there as I would believe his stock value is worth more now than that of Ahonen.

So...everybody please stay calm. This was only to ask the board what they thought of this possibility, should this actually happen.

No from Vancouver's POV.

Lucky for Devil fans, nothing this "source" ever said came true.

With regard to your comment, you can believe what you want. My guy on the inside has nothing to gain by BS'ing me. He's pretty on with a few things that happened over the years & just because they didn't EXACTLY" come out he was told they might, doesn't mean it wasn't on the trade table. Lou does what he wants, when he wants & how he wants. Its on his terms!

The info my "Source" gets is passed down from his superiors. Of which, are closer to the upper management of the Devils.

So, unlike all of the crazy & absurd trade proposals that get posted up on this board, what I write is what the top people in the Devils organization are considering at that time.

And some of you "question" what I post, just remember one thing:

Paying the $$$ we did for the 3 "M's" on defense...does that make any sense? Letting guys go on waivers in the past, like Zyuzin & recently Oliwa & not get anything in return...does that make sense? I know if I were GM, those types of scenarios wouldn't ever have happened. I don't feel we should ever lose a player & get nothing in return. But this is what Lou does. So be it.

As a fan, we must trust in him & believe he knows best…despite our personal feelings.

With that being said, all I have left to say is, Go Devils!

No from Vancouver's POV.

No...that's from "YOUR" point of view. Not the Upper Management of the Canucks.

Deal with it!

Paying the $$$ we did for the 3 "M's" on defense...does that make any sense? Letting guys go on waivers in the past, like Zyuzin & recently Oliwa & not get anything in return...does that make sense? I know if I were GM, those types of scenarios wouldn't ever have happened. I don't feel we should ever lose a player & get nothing in return. But this is what Lou does. So be it.

Of course it made sense. Zyuzin and Oliwa sucked and provided next to nil to the team. Nobody wanted them enough to give up a player or a pick. Cut your losses and move on. Now, it's even harder to move dead weight. Put them on waivers, nobody picks them up unless they're young and cheap. Try and recall them through re-entry waivers and you risk paying the guy half of his salary while he plays for another team.

Don't take what I said personally. It's just crap like this that gets passed on through fifty people that turns out into this. A garbage deal for both teams. Bertuzzi is the best player in the deal but carries the most salary. Gomez is the second best but is young and cheap. And Jersey's only good offensive threat at forward apart from Mogilny.

Why do the Canucks do this? They could get better. Why do the Devils do this? They could get better. This trade doesn't work for so many reasons. For both teams.

It doesn't make sense for Vancouver. They lose a winger in Bertuzzi and replace him with a centre when they already have Morrison and Sedin. Besides, Clemmenson when they already have Cloutier, Auld and Johnson?

Actually we lost Johnson on waivers to Washington but just recently traded for Ouellette.

bleh.

Gomez interests me, but the other two do not AT ALL.


The Canucks could use Matvichuk.

I want no part of Todd Bertuzzi, and i would imagine neither does Lou.

Clemmensen has proven himself, somewhat, to be a capable back up goalie; and while NJ would get a power forward winger, they'd give up Gomez who is young, good two-way/playmaking #1 center to do so. No other center on this team can handle being a #1 center right now, IMO. Devils have enough issues on offense, I don't know if Bertuzzi would make up the difference for the loss of Gomez.

Lucky for Devil fans, nothing this "source" ever said came true.

I still want to know about what happened to this "under the radar" Polish hockey prospect who had this "knucklepuck"-like shot the Devs were scouting a few years back...

No...that's from "YOUR" point of view. Not the Upper Management of the Canucks.

Deal with it!

Deal with it? LOL, what, are you Dave Nonis now?

I simply don't see why Vancouver would trade Bertuzzi for another playmaking center(albeit a very good one), an aging d-man on a lengthy contract and a useless goalie. IMO, this would be a no from the Canucks' POV, which is what I said(anything I say is my point of view, I don't have to type "IMO" for that to be so).

Really, why would Vancouver make this trade? :dunno:

For that matter, why would New Jersey? This would put them over the salary cap, would it not? Basically, a laughable "rumour" all-around.

I dont make this trade unless we get Nolan Baumgartner in return!

good point about rasmussen..I feel the same about grant marhsall i think the guy deserves more ice time; rasmussen has played very little this season.
These guys would both be playing more if this were 2003-4. Under these new rules, a line with both Rasmussen and Marshall just won't cut it. Did anybody see Marshall's attempted toe-drag the other day against Minnesota? Yikes. Well, at least he is trying to adapt. Our third line, which used to be one of the best in the league is struggling mightily to reinvent itself. If they can't get it done in the "New NHL" with the speed they have, guys like Rasmussen and Marshall are going to play even less. Remember the glory days of rolling 4 lines? Gone.

Deal with it? LOL, what, are you Dave Nonis now?

I simply don't see why Vancouver would trade Bertuzzi for another playmaking center(albeit a very good one), an aging d-man on a lengthy contract and a useless goalie. IMO, this would be a no from the Canucks' POV, which is what I said(anything I say is my point of view, I don't have to type "IMO" for that to be so).

Really, why would Vancouver make this trade? :dunno:

For that matter, why would New Jersey? This would put them over the salary cap, would it not? Basically, a laughable "rumour" all-around.

Not sure about the cap as I don't know what Matvichuk makes. Let's at least admit that not one of the players in this deal are bad players. They're all good enough to make a difference on their respective teams. Yes, even Clemmenson.

But, like PG just said. This doesn't improve either team.