sensible trade ideas...

Throwing names like broduer out there is crazy unless we are calling it a rebuilding era..which theya re not.

Here are some guys i think have value and could bring in some much needed help.

Brylin.....love him but could be useful on other teams

madden....gets overpaid for the new league

pando..great hustle but we are overloaded with marginal offensive weapons

langenbrunner...see pandalfo

rasumussen...a throw in


three m's on defense


ahonen or clemmenson

I feel the devils need better defense right now..when elias returns their offense will be fine he will make a huge differnce as far as line combos go.


I think one very good defenseman acquired through trade and the recalling of david hale and return of elias can turn this season around

Throwing names like broduer out there is crazy unless we are calling it a rebuilding era..which theya re not.

Here are some guys i think have value and could bring in some much needed help.

Brylin.....love him but could be useful on other teams

madden....gets overpaid for the new league

pando..great hustle but we are overloaded with marginal offensive weapons

langenbrunner...see pandalfo

rasumussen...a throw in


three m's on defense


ahonen or clemmenson

I feel the devils need better defense right now..when elias returns their offense will be fine he will make a huge differnce as far as line combos go.


I think one very good defenseman acquired through trade and the recalling of david hale and return of elias can turn this season around
Brylin is the heart of the Devils...Keep him.
Trade Madden. I have been saying that from the beginning. To much money to be paying for somebody who doesn't score. Yeah, I know he is a defensive forward, but there are many players that are defensive. Pandolfo is just as much as a threat as Madden has been lately. Keep Pandolfo. He can't score, but he is worth what he is getting paid.
Keep Langenbrunner on the checking line and move Almo up. Why ALmo is on the third line is beyond me.
Get rid of Malakhov. AHL, waivers. shoot him, I don't care. McGillis, trade him and get what you can for him. Keep Matvichuck. He has played well in my opinion. BRING UP HALE. HE was arguably our best D during the pre-season. Why is he not playing?

Ahonen is not going to get anything now. He was never given a chance to prove himself. Clemmenson is to old to be considered a prospect and won't really gete you anything. Why did Brodeur not play tonight against one of the best offensive teams in the league?

As I stated in an earlier post, Lou has a list of those who are tradeable, those who are tradeable, but come at a higher price & the untouchables list.

Let it be know, the (Devils Current Roster) Untouchables are as follows:

Marty
Brylin
Madden
Pandolfo
Gionta
White
Martin
Parise

Other than those names, you can throw together whatever trade possiblities you can conger up. These guys aren't going anywhere, anytime soon. (According to The Source)

The problem with trading Madden is that he is WAY overpaid for what he brings to the team right now and he has a LONG contract, for another three years I think. He'd be tougher to unload than Malakhov I think.

The problem with trading Madden is that he is WAY overpaid for what he brings to the team right now and he has a LONG contract, for another three years I think. He'd be tougher to unload than Malakhov I think.

Lou would beg to differ. He believes Madden brings just as much to the table as a Joe Thornton. He does have great evidence to back this up as well, just look at the 03 playoffs.

Lou would beg to differ. He believes Madden brings just as much to the table as a Joe Thornton. He does have great evidence to back this up as well, just look at the 03 playoffs.
I know how well he can play, he just hasn't been doing it. He makes more than say Jere Lehtinen who does just as good of a defensive job in Dallas and can still put the puck in the net. I remember in 2000 when he scored a LOT of shorthanded goals and had the confidence to put a slapper from the wing past Belfour in the finals. Now when he has the puck he just looks nervous.

I guess I'm the only one who thinks Madden and Pando has played great this season and often are the reason this team isn't blown out every game. The Devils have the fifth best PK and these two are on ice for all of them. With Rheume gone, the only other forwards who spend any significant amount of time on PK are Langenbrunner and, to a much lesser extent, Brylin and Gionta.

I've gone to every home game and Madden and Pando are plenty fast and work their *** off every shift. Part of the reason Mogilny has had some success on their line is that their smart play and hustle creates quality shooting chances. Madden is worth the money and is an essential part of any success this team has had so far. With Elias and Friesen out the defence of the forwards have taken a hit. If Madden gets injured and misses any significant time, we're screwed.

I know how well he can play, he just hasn't been doing it. He makes more than say Jere Lehtinen who does just as good of a defensive job in Dallas and can still put the puck in the net. I remember in 2000 when he scored a LOT of shorthanded goals and had the confidence to put a slapper from the wing past Belfour in the finals. Now when he has the puck he just looks nervous.

Unlike Madden, Lehtinen doesn't have to carry his team's defense. Take a look at Dallas forwards icetime, Lehtinen doesn't lead his team in PK icetime, Stu Barnes does. They spread out PK duty so Modano, Kapanen and Morrow have been on PK as much as Lehtinen has. And Dallas' PK is 14th right now.

It's not suprising that Madden's offensive production was better when Holik was still here. Now the forth line center is a gimpy Rasmussen, who played 7 minutes vs. the Wings.

As I stated in an earlier post, Lou has a list of those who are tradeable, those who are tradeable, but come at a higher price & the untouchables list.

Let it be know, the (Devils Current Roster) Untouchables are as follows:

Marty
Brylin
Madden
Pandolfo
Gionta
White
Martin
Parise

Other than those names, you can throw together whatever trade possiblities you can conger up. These guys aren't going anywhere, anytime soon. (According to The Source)


Also known as "the only players that would get a worthwhile return." (except Gomez, and his exclusion leads me to believe that he will be moved before he becomes a UFA)

Also known as "the only players that would get a worthwhile return." (except Gomez, and his exclusion leads me to believe that he will be moved before he becomes a UFA)

I thought Devil's Repairman said Gomez was one of the Untouchables in the 'San Jose Trade' thread? :confused:

This team needs only slight tweeks. Remember we have Hale and Elias waiting in the wings.

Hale is no savior, but the botton line is he is better than at least 3 of our current defensemen, and as good as 4 or 5.

Elias, will change the dynamic of the entire offense, even at 50%. Adding Elias into the lineup immediately gives NJ two potentially dangerous scoring lines.

So what do we need? In my opinion our most glaring need is a second line Center and another Defensemen.

On the Defense, I think the Devils would be ok with White, Hale and Brown for physical D-men. We need another 2 way D man, Rafalski and Martin and a third. Matvichuk would make a good 7th rotated in an out based on need basis for a particular game. But McGillis and Malakhov must go.

The Devils have a real hole at Center in my opinion. We need a decent 2nd line center badly. A good faceoff man , who can be a play maker with forwards like Mogilny, Kozlov and Elias. Preferably one with some size.

And finally Fire Robinson. Bring back Ftorek, send Mclean to Albany to be head coach. Have Scott Stevens replace JohhnyMac now that hunting season is just about over.


So....Order of importance

Get rid of McGillis and Malakhov.

Get a sencond line Center

Get another 2 way D-man

Rework the coaching Staff

The only trade that really needs to be made:

To Albany: Vlad Malakhov
To New Jersey: David Hale

Do that and you're probably within $500k-$800k of fitting in Elias. If they can get a warm body that can play for McGillis all the better, but Malakhov is the key guy that has to go.

The only trade that really needs to be made:

To Albany: Vlad Malakhov
To New Jersey: David Hale

Do that and you're probably within $500k-$800k of fitting in Elias. If they can get a warm body that can play for McGillis all the better, but Malakhov is the key guy that has to go.


You don't see a hole in the second line center position? jusk asking

Was just thinking of Marleau for Lagenbrunner and Gomez. We get a bigger center in return and clear a bit of cap space.

Was just thinking of Marleau for Lagenbrunner and Gomez. We get a bigger center in return and clear a bit of cap space.


Gomez is better than Marleau.

Marleau has never scored more than 57 points, Gomez has had 56 assist! and Gomez has averaged over 60 points in his first 5 season in the NHL.

Why would we do that?

You don't see a hole in the second line center position? jusk asking

I don't really think we have the pieces to get one. We have guys that can fill in there, but until we fit Elias in the lineup, that need doesn't matter.

Gomez is better than Marleau.

Marleau has never scored more than 57 points, Gomez has had 56 assist! and Gomez has averaged over 60 points in his first 5 season in the NHL.

Why would we do that?

Gomez has been inconsistent and I just don't like his attitude. He has not matured as a player or leader for this team. Marleau is bigger and better defensively and I understand playing well and I believe is signed for 3 years. The team needs a shake-up!

As far as forwards go, Langenbrunner is probably our best bet at getting something servicable in return. Madden won't be traded. Gomez could be traded, but I don't think we would get good value for him. Besides, he has great chemistry with our leading scorer (Gio) and our most highly valued player not named Brodeur (Elias). Mogilny is untouchable because he is frail and overpaid. Pando wouldn't bring anything but a low-round pick or a third-line forward / third-pairing defenseman (we have plenty of both). Brylin MIGHT equal a descent prospect, but we are pretty full of those on the offensive end. Yeah, we could use a good prospect on D, but do we really want to trade a guy like Brylin for that right now? Not me.

Trading defensemen seems to be the way to go. Hale and Brown will stay because they will play well and cost little. White should stay because he is playing very well (though he would obviously bring the most return of all our defenseman). Rafy and Martin stay. We trade McGillis and Matvichuk . . . if anybody will take them. Matvichuk has played well, which is why he should be traded -- he actually might bring something worthy in return. Perhaps a Matvichuk + prospect for a servicable second-line center? We keep Malakhov . . . because we have to. The benefit is, we keep him on the PP and have three balanced pairings of defenseman (if we dare call Malakhov a "defense"man.

IMO, we value our prospects a bit higher than about everybody else, which is probably the case for all fans of all NHL teams. With the exception of Zajac (who hasn't had the Rats' taint infest his game yet), we have a lot of forwards who could bring 3rd-line talent in a one-for-one deal. Again, this is just my opinion. If we add a prospect to one of our defensemen though, we might see something worthy of consideration.

Gomez has been inconsistent and I just don't like his attitude. He has not matured as a player or leader for this team. Marleau is bigger and better defensively and I understand playing well and I believe is signed for 3 years. The team needs a shake-up!Attitude reflects leadership, and right now we don't have any. I love Robinson, but he is no Burns. This team needs Burns because without Stevens, the Devils have nobody to lead the way. Burns could do it, because there is a respect (aka FEAR) for him. The team respects Robinson more so in what he can teach rather than how he can lead. Trading away Gomez would be stupid. Motivating Gomez would be the right thing to do.

Attitude reflects leadership, and right now we don't have any. I love Robinson, but he is no Burns. This team needs Burns because without Stevens, the Devils have nobody to lead the way. Burns could do it, because there is a respect (aka FEAR) for him. The team respects Robinson more so in what he can teach rather than how he can lead. Trading away Gomez would be stupid. Motivating Gomez would be the right thing to do.

Hope you're right about Gomez, but I'm not seeing it. As for Larry, we're stuck with him for this year. Lou fired him once, and he played the good soldier. Can't see Lou firing him again.

I thought Devil's Repairman said Gomez was one of the Untouchables in the 'San Jose Trade' thread? :confused:

He was talked to straighten up & to do so...sooner than later. Of which, he did for a few games.

After tonight, if he continues this type of play, you'll see him gone.

The Key Word for players of his caliber is CONSISTENCY!

Sure, everyone has an off-night, but to take several night off in a row, then play for a couple, then not again for a few more is what cost Arnott to pack his bags.

The same applies to Gomer.

1. Langs/Madden/Pandolfo/Malakhov or any combination thereof to Boston for Leetch (replaces Nieds)

2. Parise, etc. to Vancouver for Jovonovski

I ain't no GM, but these work for me just fine.

1. Langs/Madden/Pandolfo/Malakhov or any combination thereof to Boston for Leetch (replaces Nieds)

2. Parise, etc. to Vancouver for Jovonovski

I ain't no GM, but these work for me just fine.

Leetch = $4M

Jovo = $4M

Ok Houdini, how are you hiding the extra salary?
;)

Leetch is old, slow, and damaged goods. Not even mentioning the salary!

Marcel Hossa for Jamie Langenbrunner, trading with the Rangers is dangerous though ;)

Jovo will be a UFA at year's end and besides that he unfortunately lacks a brain.


Unless Lou can pull some great players out of thin air I think this season is a write-off. Just clear some cap space to sign Gio and Elias long-term and make some non-retard UFA signings this time around.

Gomez is better than Marleau.

Marleau has never scored more than 57 points, Gomez has had 56 assist! and Gomez has averaged over 60 points in his first 5 season in the NHL.

Why would we do that?

No Gomez is not better then Marleau JimEIV. Not today, tomorrow or in a million years. Gomez has the remarkable ability to breakdown an opposing teams defense which creates scoring chances. he is a phenominal playmaker but useless without a scoring winger. He makes brilliant passes. He is not a good defensive forward and is as inconsistant for us as Thornton was for Boston.

Patrick Marleau is a GREAT GREAT player. He is a Captain with tremendous presence and leadership. He is a bargain at $4 million. He has size, skates well and is a tremendous asset. He would be everything Arnott was for the Devils but better. He would be the instant Captain for NJ. That is how good he is. His stats are irrelevant to me. He makes things happen and is one of the top 3 or 4 leaders in the game.

If I could get Marleau for Langenbrunner and Gomez I would go pick him up at the airport yesterday. Marleau is signed long term. Him with Madden, Parise and Rasmussen make the Devils solid down the middle.

Waive Malakhov for Elias. Make a shake up deal of Gomez, Langenbrunner and a 1st for Marleau and I am pumped. Just my opinion.

Marleau > Gomez IMO as well.

Marleau scores goals. Gomez is a puck passer. Two entirely different players and not comparable IMO. Would I love to have Marleau on the Devils? Of course. But I'm not sure I would want to get rid of Gomez to do it. Who would set up Elias and Gionta? Wouldn't be Marleau. He'd be too busy shooting the puck to notice his linemates.

Marleau scores goals. Gomez is a puck passer. Two entirely different players and not comparable IMO. Would I love to have Marleau on the Devils? Of course. But I'm not sure I would want to get rid of Gomez to do it. Who would set up Elias and Gionta? Wouldn't be Marleau. He'd be too busy shooting the puck to notice his linemates.

Elias is a proven pure scoring LW. He will score goals no matter who he plays with. Put him on the left side of Rasmussen and not only does he still score 30 goals but he makes Ras a better player. Playmakers need snipers to be effective. Not vice versa in most cases. Elias will score 30 goals without Gomez. Gomez will not have 50 assists without Mogilny, Gionta, Elias. The Devils goal scoring will not decrease without Scott Gomez. Parise and Kozlov and Marleau would do just fine setting up Elias and Gionta.

Ari Ahonen and Dan McGillis to Atlanta for Garnett Exelby.

Gomez is a top 3 play maker.......If you feel like argueing that I'll give you top 5.....Hell lets say top 10..


What is Marleau top 10 in?



Yes Gomez does things Marleau doesn't do and vice-versa, but the bottom line, the only objective way to judge to scoring centers is by there output. Gomez clearly wins.

Marleau scores goals. Gomez is a puck passer. Two entirely different players and not comparable IMO. Would I love to have Marleau on the Devils? Of course. But I'm not sure I would want to get rid of Gomez to do it. Who would set up Elias and Gionta? Wouldn't be Marleau. He'd be too busy shooting the puck to notice his linemates.


That's Parise's game, playmaking.

Gomez will not have 50 assists without Mogilny, Gionta, Elias.

Only problem with that Statement is its wrong. Gomez had 50 assist his rookie year playing with Claud Lemieux and Sergie Brylin and 2 fewer playing with Mogilony the following year........Musta been the Snipper :dunno:

Obviosly Marleau does things Gomez can't do, and vis-versa. But in pure point production, Gomez is clearly better than Marleau.


Gomez
1999-00 NJ 82 19 51 70 14 78 7 20 0 0 1 2 204 .093
2000-01 NJ 76 14 49 63 -1 46 2 15 0 0 4 0 155 .090
2001-02 NJ 76 10 38 48 -4 36 1 13 0 0 1 0 156 .064
2002-03 NJ 80 13 42 55 17 48 2 10 0 0 4 1 205 .063
2003-04 NJ 80 14 56 70 18 70 3 13 0 0 1 0 189 .074
2005-06 NJ 26 7 14 21 -8 18 2 9 0 0 1 0 66 .106
Career 420 77 250 327 36 296 17 80 0 0 12 3 975 .079


Marleau
1997-98 SJ 74 13 19 32 5 14 1 6 0 0 2 0 90 .144
1998-99 SJ 81 21 24 45 10 24 4 6 0 0 4 1 134 .157
1999-00 SJ 81 17 23 40 -9 36 3 7 0 0 3 0 161 .106
2000-01 SJ 81 25 27 52 7 22 5 7 0 0 6 0 146 .171
2001-02 SJ 79 21 23 44 9 40 3 5 0 0 5 0 121 .174
2002-03 SJ 82 28 29 57 -10 33 8 14 1 0 3 1 172 .163
2003-04 SJ 80 28 29 57 -5 24 9 12 0 1 5 0 220 .127
2005-06 SJ 27 11 21 32 -1 6 7 8 1 0 2 0 83 .133
Career 585 164 195 359 6 199 40 65 2 1 30 2 1127 .146

Gomez .78 points per game
Marleau .61 points per game

This is a case of the Grass being greener on the other side.

You'd rather have Gomez than Marleau right now? Given contract status, current production, et al?

Only problem with that Statement is its wrong. Gomez had 50 assist his rookie year playing with Claud Lemieux and Sergie Brylin and 2 fewer playing with Mogilony the following year........Musta been the Snipper :dunno:

Obviosly Marleau does things Gomez can't do, and vis-versa. But in pure point production, Gomez is clearly better than Marleau.


Gomez
1999-00 NJ 82 19 51 70 14 78 7 20 0 0 1 2 204 .093
2000-01 NJ 76 14 49 63 -1 46 2 15 0 0 4 0 155 .090
2001-02 NJ 76 10 38 48 -4 36 1 13 0 0 1 0 156 .064
2002-03 NJ 80 13 42 55 17 48 2 10 0 0 4 1 205 .063
2003-04 NJ 80 14 56 70 18 70 3 13 0 0 1 0 189 .074
2005-06 NJ 26 7 14 21 -8 18 2 9 0 0 1 0 66 .106
Career 420 77 250 327 36 296 17 80 0 0 12 3 975 .079


Marleau
1997-98 SJ 74 13 19 32 5 14 1 6 0 0 2 0 90 .144
1998-99 SJ 81 21 24 45 10 24 4 6 0 0 4 1 134 .157
1999-00 SJ 81 17 23 40 -9 36 3 7 0 0 3 0 161 .106
2000-01 SJ 81 25 27 52 7 22 5 7 0 0 6 0 146 .171
2001-02 SJ 79 21 23 44 9 40 3 5 0 0 5 0 121 .174
2002-03 SJ 82 28 29 57 -10 33 8 14 1 0 3 1 172 .163
2003-04 SJ 80 28 29 57 -5 24 9 12 0 1 5 0 220 .127
2005-06 SJ 27 11 21 32 -1 6 7 8 1 0 2 0 83 .133
Career 585 164 195 359 6 199 40 65 2 1 30 2 1127 .146

Gomez .78 points per game
Marleau .61 points per game

This is a case of the Grass being greener on the other side.

I never said Marleau was a better point producer then Gomez. I said he is a better player then Gomez. You make a fair point about the best way to evaluate a center is point production but Marleau is a tremendous player man. He is comparable to Joe Thornton. Scott Gomez is the modern day Adam Oates. And you are correct Gomez in his rookie season had a monster year point production wise with Lemieuz and Brylin until Lou traded Brendan Morrison and Denis Pederson to Vancouver for Alexander Mogilny. But the next season he did have less points which is interesting that you mentioned that. What is also interesting but not a coincidence or surprise is in 2002 Gomez had his worst season with 48 points once Mogilny parted ways and Gomez played with Holik.

Marleau is big, strong, skates well and takes up ice. he wins faceoffs and scores goals. He is the closest thing to Scott Stevens leadership since Scott Stevens. San Jose is Marleau's team and I am doubtful he will be dealt. It is still his team even with Thornton there. Marleau does so many things. He even plays on the point as a 4th forward on their PP and then is on their top PK line.

I like Gomez and he is an awesome playmaker. He is very exciting to watch. But the point is the Devils scoring just will...not...decrease....without..Gomez (the Center who will test the UFA market in 2 years as he threatened, and one of a select group of players who will get the Devils quality in return).

If Lou called San Jose about Marleau they would demand Elias or Rafalski or one of them in a package. That is why Marleau will likely never be a Devil. Gomez would not land Marleau in Ron Wilson's eyes.

You'd rather have Gomez than Marleau right now? Given contract status, current production, et al?


Yes I'd rather have Gomez right now. And you know I like Marleau.

Just like I like Jason Arnott. They do a lot of good things, but putting a ton of points is not one of them.

Jovo will be a UFA at year's end and besides that he unfortunately lacks a brain.


Unless Lou can pull some great players out of thin air I think this season is a write-off. Just clear some cap space to sign Gio and Elias long-term and make some non-retard UFA signings this time around.

And get a top ten pick and hope Pat Burns comes back!

Yes I'd rather have Gomez right now. And you know I like Marleau.

Just like I like Jason Arnott. They do a lot of good things, but putting a ton of points is not one of them.

You do know that Ron Wilson would reject a trade of Marleau for Gomez straight up right? Pre Thornton or Post thornton in SJ. As would any Sharks fan in their forum. It would have to be Gomez plus a player(s)/pick(s). Elias would land Marleau straight up. maybe even Rafalski becasue SJ needs D-men after dealing Stuart.

I will not argue your points and their validity about Gomez because you are right on.
But you do not know what you will get from Gomez night in and night out. Marleau is flawless and fearful. He is what leadership is all about.

The Devils probably need Gomez point production right now despite his inconsistancy but what Marleau brings to the table is huge. I will go as far as this...it would be almost as big as when the Devils received Stevens as compensation for Shanahan. It would change the face of the team. Gomez is not that type of player.

Nathan Dempsey or Joe Corvo for Jamie Langenbrunner?

Helps you shed some salary and allows you to try and move Malakov, or McGillis.

Tyler Arnason is available, is a Center, is young, and is not making a lot. Devils would have to deal something decent for him. I wonder what it would take.

The Devils have a real hole at Center in my opinion. We need a decent 2nd line center badly. A good faceoff man , who can be a play maker with forwards like Mogilny, Kozlov and Elias. Preferably one with some size.

What annoys the hell out of me is that Lou traded Arnott, let Nieuwendyk walk and has since never even come close to replacing them. Instead we've scene a parade of forwards who play their best hockey as a wing forced to play center: Brylin, Elias, Kozlov. And that's ignoring Rupp and the Larionov debacle. Geez, the Flyers have a dozen centers, could the Devils finally have four again?

I was at the game and what worries me most is this team lacks confidence, so when things go bad they really seem deflated and the wheels go flying off. They continues to work hard, but the only time they really excel as a team was when Marty came back and Gionta and Gomez went on their scoring streak. Hopefully they can tread water until Elias returns, which should be huge psychological boost. These guys are professional atheletes who get paid millions and they looked like sad little kids you'd take to Friendlys for ice cream to cheer up.