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Kaizer 12-06-2005, 01:52 AM Goalies:
Khudobin, Kasutin, Demidov, Varlamov
Defencemen:
Lyamin, Belov, Bodrov, Emelin, Zubarev, Aksenenko, Buravchikov, Biryukov, Nikitin,Anikeev, Derlyuk, Amakhin
Forwards:
Shirokov, Lemtyugov,Parshin, Ogorodnikov,Churilov, Lisin, Younkov, Ketov, Krysanov, Bumagin,Kulemin, Zubov, Goroshanky,Istomin, Schitikov, Makarov, Radulov, Voloshenko.
Malkin's deal is still in work, but probably he will play at WJC according to U-20 team GM, Valentin An'shin
http://metallurg.ru/news/20874/
The Mars Volchenkov 12-06-2005, 01:55 AM Was hoping to see Anikeyenko there, oh well. Nice to see Lyamin and Zubov.
So no Malkin....
I guess that makes him a lock for the Olympic team then...
jcpenny 12-06-2005, 02:41 AM Why cant he do both?
Why cant he do both?Apparently his club team doesn't want him to wear himself out...
Dr.Sens(e) 12-06-2005, 10:37 AM No Zharkov. Was hoping he would be included so we could see him play.
Other than Makarov and Shirokov, any of these guys '06 eligible?
No Anikeenko, no Trukhno (?). That surprises me...
edd1e 12-06-2005, 11:22 AM Is Malkin playing in the Rosno-Cup at Moscow?
DaveG 12-06-2005, 11:27 AM No Zharkov. Was hoping he would be included so we could see him play.
Other than Makarov and Shirokov, any of these guys '06 eligible?
schitikov, who was available in 05 and possibly 04 as well IIRC, unless I'm thinking of a different guy.
Jonathan. 12-06-2005, 12:27 PM No Anikeenko, no Trukhno (?). That surprise me...
Anikeenko sucks.
Slitty 12-06-2005, 12:32 PM Is Malkin playing in the Rosno-Cup at Moscow?
Yes, his line is Kharitonov-Malkin-Sushinsky, a line we might see at the Olympics.
montreal 12-06-2005, 12:39 PM No Zharkov. Was hoping he would be included so we could see him play.
Other than Makarov and Shirokov, any of these guys '06 eligible?
Bumagin, Churilov, Aksenenko, Krysanov, Goroshanky, Ketov, Kulemin, Bodrov, Biryukov
I will keep an eye on Bumagin, Churilov, and Aksenenko if he makes the team. Bumagin and Churilov are doing very well this year from what I hear.
Jaded-Fan 12-06-2005, 02:20 PM Malkin not on Russian Jr. early roster
12/6/2005 12:11:38 PM
MOSCOW (CP) - Forward Evgeni Malkin, the second overall pick in last year's NHL draft, was not included on the preliminary roster of the Russian junior men's hockey team released Tuesday.
http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/news_story.asp?id=145927
Guillaume 12-06-2005, 04:33 PM Anikeenko is on the roster (his name is misspelled as Anikeev above).
I put some comments on the roster here
Link to other thread (http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=198341)
Jag68Vlady27 12-06-2005, 05:16 PM Re: Trukhno,
isn't he a member of Denmark's junior squad? I thought he had dual citizenship.
Marco Corleone 12-07-2005, 11:30 AM He played for team Russia at the U18's.
Now he's playing in the QMJHL for PEI.
In my opinion, it's all politics as he should have gotten an invite.
burnlikestars 12-07-2005, 11:53 AM I'll be watching Radulov with great anticipation! :handclap:
Mr.Brownov* 12-07-2005, 12:00 PM Apparently his club team doesn't want him to wear himself out...
Or risk injury.... Besides that, I think it would be a waste of his talents to play against less experienced players. He plays against men and must continue to do so.
DeuceUNO 12-07-2005, 12:10 PM voloshenko!
Jonathan. 12-07-2005, 12:20 PM Or risk injury.... Besides that, I think it would be a waste of his talents to play against less experienced players. He plays against men and must continue to do so.
Yes, because a small tournament will really hurt his skills and waste his talents.
Dr.Sens(e) 12-07-2005, 12:35 PM voloshenko!
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he and Radulov are right up there amongst the tournement scoring leaders.
For those who follow the Russian contingent back at home, are they generally expected to be the offensive leaders? Obviously we North American's are most familiar with Voloshenko and Radulov because of their play over here - both look like fantastic prospects and could probably be playing in the NHL this year. Most assuredly next year.
Mr.Brownov* 12-07-2005, 12:52 PM Yes, because a small tournament will really hurt his skills and waste his talents.
It's like sending Ovechkin to play junior hockey
Digger12 12-07-2005, 01:05 PM He played for team Russia at the U18's.
Now he's playing in the QMJHL for PEI.
In my opinion, it's all politics as he should have gotten an invite.
I agree...the kid's 18th in QMJHL scoring for the 2nd worst team in the entire league, other than Danny Stewart there's little else on that team for support...yet on that barnstorming tour where the Russians were getting their teeth kicked in every single night, he couldn't have been of some use?
Nah, I'm not bitter at all. ;)
wilka91* 12-07-2005, 01:07 PM It's like sending Ovechkin to play junior hockey
Well, if he goes out and sets the record for goals, assists and points at the WJC, I'd like to see him there.
Macman 12-07-2005, 01:12 PM Or risk injury.... Besides that, I think it would be a waste of his talents to play against less experienced players. He plays against men and must continue to do so.
He played against men last year as well and had more than he could handle at last year's world juniors. Sorry, but the level of play and intensity he'd face against the world's best 18 and 19 year olds is more than he'll ever face in a run of the mill RSL game against guys the majority of whom can't make the NHL.
Kaizer 12-07-2005, 01:17 PM Sorry, but the level of play and intensity he'd face against the world's best 18 and 19 year olds is more than he'll ever face in a run of the mill RSL game against guys the majority of whom can't make the NHL.
:biglaugh: Tell me more about thing you don't know :biglaugh:
Macman 12-07-2005, 01:24 PM :biglaugh: Tell me more about thing you don't know :biglaugh:
It's not necessary. I'm right.
Mr.Brownov* 12-07-2005, 01:26 PM It's not necessary. I'm right.
Isn't everyone? :shakehead
Macman 12-07-2005, 01:28 PM Isn't everyone? :shakehead
No.
wilka91* 12-07-2005, 01:35 PM That was funny LOL
Mr.Brownov* 12-07-2005, 01:36 PM No.
Either way your opinion is acceptible. As for Kaizer, he's a very reliable source on these boards for anything related to Russia. And he seems to agree with me, so i'm right ;)
Kaizer 12-07-2005, 02:53 PM It's not necessary. I'm right.
Exactly my thoughts :thumbu:
He played against men last year as well and had more than he could handle at last year's world juniors. Sorry, but the level of play and intensity he'd face against the world's best 18 and 19 year olds is more than he'll ever face in a run of the mill RSL game against guys the majority of whom can't make the NHL.
As a hockey fan, do you honestly believe what you're saying. :dunno:
The WJC is a high level tourney - but its still a 'junior' tournament and not even close to the level of competition of any of the top mens leagues.
Look at the Russian preliminary roster; apart from a handful of players, everybody is a 3rd/4th liner on their RSL team - if that. A lot aren't even regulars.
An the Russians are one of the favorites to win the WJC.
Macman 12-07-2005, 03:32 PM As a hockey fan, do you honestly believe what you're saying. :dunno:
The WJC is a high level tourney - but its still a 'junior' tournament and not even close to the level of competition of any of the top mens leagues.
Look at the Russian preliminary roster; apart from a handful of players, everybody is a 3rd/4th liner on their RSL team - if that. A lot aren't even regulars.
An the Russians are one of the favorites to win the WJC.
Let me get this straight. The Russian federation doesn't want Malkin to play at the world juniors because they want to save him for the Olympics, yet they're going to let him continuing to play against men when he could be playing boys in Vancouver. If you guys are to be believed, shouldn't they send him instead to Vancouver where he could a bit of rest against all that inferior competition and maybe pick up a gold medal to boot? It seems the federation doesn't agree with you.
The world juniors is the third most important tournament on the hockey calendar and the only one held every year. There's a reason scouts and GMs from all 30 NHL teams will be sitting in the stands those two weeks and not in Moscow or Omsk or wherever.
I'm not trying to denigrate the RSL, but if Malkin goes to Vancouver he'll play in a tournament filled with guys who will be NHL stars and even superstars in the near future. He will play in front of 20,000 screaming fans under the intense heat, pressure and scrutiny of one of the most important events in hockey. He'll get none of that by staying home and to suggest he'll be better off for it is insane.
goteam 12-07-2005, 04:08 PM Isn't Denis Bodrov too old? I've seen him listed as an '85.
Let me get this straight. The Russian federation doesn't want Malkin to play at the world juniors because they want to save him for the Olympics, yet they're going to let him continuing to play against men when he could be playing boys in Vancouver. If you guys are to be believed, shouldn't they send him instead to Vancouver where he could a bit of rest against all that inferior competition and maybe pick up a gold medal to boot? It seems the federation doesn't agree with you.
Well, as it turns out...he's going to Vancouver. And it wasn't so much the Federation that didn't want him to play in the WJC -- it was the GM of Metallurg who (for obvious rasons) doesn't want him playing in anymore extra games than need be.
The world juniors is the third most important tournament on the hockey calendar and the only one held every year. There's a reason scouts and GMs from all 30 NHL teams will be sitting in the stands those two weeks and not in Moscow or Omsk or wherever.
I agree. But scouts and GMs are there to look at PROSPECTS. These prospects are the best in the world but they're still only 18-19 year old kids that have a lot of developing to do. They're great for their age level but not when comparing them to elite level mens leagues.
I'm not trying to denigrate the RSL, but if Malkin goes to Vancouver he'll play in a tournament filled with guys who will be NHL stars and even superstars in the near future. He will play in front of 20,000 screaming fans under the intense heat, pressure and scrutiny of one of the most important events in hockey. He'll get none of that by staying home and to suggest he'll be better off for it is insane.
You're sort of changing you point. I agree that the WJC would be a greater experience but that doesn't mean the level of hockey is better than the RSL.
Because he'd be playing against lesser competition in the WJC, he'd gain nothing skill wise. But because the WJC is such a pressure filled tourney, it's a great way for Malkin to develop those 'intangibles' every great player needs.
The same could probably be said about Crosby. As a developing player, I think it would be a better experience for him to lead Canada than play a few extra games for Pittsburgh. But similar to Malkin, doesn't mean the level of hockey will be anything close to what they're used to.
Dr.Sens(e) 12-07-2005, 05:16 PM Let me get this straight. The Russian federation doesn't want Malkin to play at the world juniors because they want to save him for the Olympics, yet they're going to let him continuing to play against men when he could be playing boys in Vancouver. If you guys are to be believed, shouldn't they send him instead to Vancouver where he could a bit of rest against all that inferior competition and maybe pick up a gold medal to boot? It seems the federation doesn't agree with you.
The world juniors is the third most important tournament on the hockey calendar and the only one held every year. There's a reason scouts and GMs from all 30 NHL teams will be sitting in the stands those two weeks and not in Moscow or Omsk or wherever.
I'm not trying to denigrate the RSL, but if Malkin goes to Vancouver he'll play in a tournament filled with guys who will be NHL stars and even superstars in the near future. He will play in front of 20,000 screaming fans under the intense heat, pressure and scrutiny of one of the most important events in hockey. He'll get none of that by staying home and to suggest he'll be better off for it is insane.
The point is you initially said "the level of play" in terms of the RSL v WJC, and the reality is any prospect is going to have a heck of harder time scoring in the RSL, than they would in the WJC (any year). Just check out how Lecavalier, Heatley and a few other NHL stars did in Russia last year...
In terms of the spot-light, pressure and getting used to North American hockey, you're right, it will be a good test in that regard.
Macman 12-07-2005, 05:20 PM He's going? Gee, I hope it doesn't retard his development. :shakehead
Hmmmmm not good for Evgeni :teach: That rassian team is just not good enough ....
Roy G Biv* 12-07-2005, 06:04 PM 3 Sens.
Might need to watch...
WILDTATE10 12-07-2005, 06:46 PM 2 Wilds, Khudabon and Voloshenko.
cant wait to watch them when i can.
Jacob 12-07-2005, 07:15 PM Anyone wanna take a stab at the line combos?
Kaizer 12-08-2005, 03:43 AM Anyone wanna take a stab at the line combos?
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=4078376&highlight=Malkin#post4078376
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