my take on parise ...so far

sundstrom32*
12-03-2005, 04:13 PM
Is that he is not ready yet; I don't know the deal with sending players like him to albany, as far as waivers and what not.

But if it is possible to send him down without losing him I think i see that coming. To me he is still ayear away.

At this point I think Philman is of more value to the team in an overall sense.

Parise seems to be a little lost out there with the speed of the game, and he needs to build up more strength.

I honostly and don't kill me for this it is just an opinion, don't think he is going to be a real great nhl player. I think he may develop into a role player over the years and tha is about as far as his career will go. Hope I am wrong.

Brooklyndevil
12-03-2005, 04:32 PM
Is that he is not ready yet; I don't know the deal with sending players like him to albany, as far as waivers and what not.

But if it is possible to send him down without losing him I think i see that coming. To me he is still ayear away.

At this point I think Philman is of more value to the team in an overall sense.

Parise seems to be a little lost out there with the speed of the game, and he needs to build up more strength.

I honostly and don't kill me for this it is just an opinion, don't think he is going to be a real great nhl player. I think he may develop into a role player over the years and tha is about as far as his career will go. Hope I am wrong.

You may be right about sending him down, but role player? Lets give him just a few more games then the 25 or so that he's played before calling him a role player. :shakehead Actually, I thought he played a pretty good first period, after that he didn't get much playing time and no longer gets any power play time and that I question!

Unthinkable
12-03-2005, 04:55 PM
If you listened to all the buzz about Vanek from Sabres fans, he was supposed to be on pace for 25-30 goals in his rookie season. He's scored exactly 4 so far for Buffalo. Same number as Mike Richards and 3 less then Jeff Carter. Parise will come around in due time. Too much talent in him. He does need to put on some upper body muscle though imo. Too many one-on-one battles and fights for loose pucks along the boards/behind the net were lost when he was asked to play center which a guy like Viktor Kozlov handles pretty well in his place.

Devilsfanatic
12-03-2005, 04:56 PM
Send him to Albany, he needs time down there.

JimEIV
12-03-2005, 06:24 PM
If Patrick Elias, Peter Sykora, Bill Guerin, Ken Daneyko can be sent down and still have decent careers so can Parise.

DownFromNJ
12-03-2005, 07:30 PM
Joe Thornton scored 7 points in his first 55 game season.

NaChOs
12-04-2005, 02:05 PM
Joe Thornton scored 7 points in his first 55 game season.

booooooooooooooya grandma

John Flyers Fan
12-04-2005, 02:32 PM
Joe Thornton scored 7 points in his first 55 game season.


..as an 18 year old during the lower scoring NHL, as opposed to a 21 year old in the revamped higher scoring NHL.

By no means am I saying that Parise will be a bust, but at least compare apples to apples.

creative giant*
12-04-2005, 02:47 PM
Wait a minute. Does this mean that the oilers aren't complete idiots for skipping bob mackenzie's overhyped lamb, and instead drafting Crosby's soon-to-be captain and partner in crime in the Q marc antoine pouliot?

:dunno:

edit to add that Pouliot is almost an entire year younger than Parise as well

Give'em Hell!
12-04-2005, 02:50 PM
..as an 18 year old during the lower scoring NHL, as opposed to a 21 year old in the revamped higher scoring NHL.

By no means am I saying that Parise will be a bust, but at least compare apples to apples.


i like how people always like to throw age into the equation, an NHL rookie is an NHL rookie no matter what the age. Thornton was 18 but was the #1 pick for god sakes i dont remember too many #1 picks in recent memory to not see time in the NHL right after being drafted. The reason most players are drafted #1 is because the team thinks the are very close to NHL ready. so yes we are comparing apples to apples, or in this case rookies to rookies. 18, 21, or 30 a rookie is a rookie and must go through the same growing pains as any other 1st year player in the best league in the world. 7 points in 24 games is alittle dissapointing but give it alittle time and if he spends some more time in Albany its not the end of the world, but his ice-time is almost non-existant at this point so its not that easy to produce serious points playing 7 minutes a game without our top forwards. i realize you are a flyers fan and the only reason you feel it necessary to stick your nose into this post is because Richards and Carter have adjusted abit faster to the NHL, so congradulations...otherwise i am sure you would have never have commented.

Lowetide
12-04-2005, 02:51 PM
Wait a minute. Does this mean that the oilers aren't complete idiots for skipping bob mackenzie's overhyped lamb, and instead drafting Crosby's soon-to-be captain and partner in crime in the Q marc antoine pouliot?

:dunno:

edit to add that Pouliot is almost an entire year younger than Parise as well

It was Pierre Maguire who did the meltdown. I haven't seen Parise too much, but from what I've seen he doesn't seem to get a lot of icetime. Could that be part of the problem?

I assume he doesn't PK/PP too much and in the current NHL that means a lot of sitting for a guy who only plays when they roll 4 lines. Has that contributed?

John Flyers Fan
12-04-2005, 02:56 PM
i like how people always like to throw age into the equation, an NHL rookie is an NHL rookie no matter what the age. Thornton was 18 but was the #1 pick for god sakes i dont remember too many #1 picks in recent memory to not see time in the NHL right after being drafted. The reason most players are drafted #1 is because the team thinks the are very close to NHL ready. so yes we are comparing apples to apples, or in this case rookies to rookies. 18, 21, or 30 a rookie is a rookie and must go through the same growing pains as any other 1st year player in the best league in the world. 7 points in 24 games is alittle dissapointing but give it alittle time and if he spends some more time in Albany its not the end of the world, but his ice-time is almost non-existant at this point so its not that easy to produce serious points playing 7 minutes a game without our top forwards. i realize you are a flyers fan and the only reason you feel it necessary to stick your nose into this post is because Richards and Carter have adjusted abit faster to the NHL, so congradulations...otherwise i am sure you would have never have commented.


Age certainly does matter.

Bergeron and Ryan Malone had very similar years in 2003-04. Bergeron was 18, and Malone was 25. What Bergeron did was far more impressive, than what Malone accomplished.

aspin
12-04-2005, 02:57 PM
Wait a minute. Does this mean that the oilers aren't complete idiots for skipping bob mackenzie's overhyped lamb, and instead drafting Crosby's soon-to-be captain and partner in crime in the Q marc antoine pouliot?

:dunno:

edit to add that Pouliot is almost an entire year younger than Parise as well

Well they also got J.F. Jacques in that deal and it appears that he is the big piece of the puzzle in the deal now...at least starting out faster than Pouliot but they will both be great.

creative giant*
12-04-2005, 03:18 PM
Well they also got J.F. Jacques in that deal and it appears that he is the big piece of the puzzle in the deal now...at least starting out faster than Pouliot but they will both be great.

It seems like every couple of years the oilers get a few of these "big surprise" guys. They're drafted out of the first round, are pretty much unheard of (outside of prospect-crazy hf), and hit a purple patch in the ahl.

VERY rarely do they show they can do it in the NHL consistantly, but for the next few years the fans hype him up to the point where he apparently has more to offer than what he does. He's just not trying hard enough. The coach hates him. Skating too fast messes up his hairdoo. I'm not going to say that Jacques will fail, but the odds are against him, and I've seen it a million times now with Oiler fans. Remember our "kid line" a few years back? They lit up the AHL, so whose to say they can't do it in the NHL!

We overrate our prospects. Plain and simple. Jacques will be a third line grinder, tops. Semenov was going to be a 5-6 dman, tops. Woywitka and Lynch were #4 dmen, tops. Matt Greene is a #5 dman, absolutely tops.

However, Pouliot has the potential to be a #1 centre. The deal is basically Pouliot for Parise, and although I wouldn't have taken it then (mostly because of the overzealous announcers), now it's not looking too shabby. If Jaques becomes a third line grinder, I'd rather not even have him. Those guys are a dime a dozen in the new nhl.

Jersey Fresh
12-04-2005, 03:20 PM
..as an 18 year old during the lower scoring NHL, as opposed to a 21 year old in the revamped higher scoring NHL.

By no means am I saying that Parise will be a bust, but at least compare apples to apples.
Joe Thornton was also 6'4 215-220 at age 18, and entirely more ready for the NHL game no matter what the scoring in the NHL was at the time, than the 5'11 185 Parise. Thornton scoring 7 points in 55 games had nothing to do with talent or age, and everything to do with getting 4th line ice-time under then coach Pat Burns.

One more thing to add, Parise is averaging somewhere around 12 minutes a game, and that number has been going down recently. Don't get too down on him people, he just needs to get bigger and more experienced with the NHL game.

JimEIV
12-04-2005, 03:46 PM
I'm not down on him.......He is doing everything I have expected. When people were predicting 70 or 80 points I told everyone I'd be happy with 40 and expect more like 25/30.

I don't think he has been playing poorly either. I think he is struggling with what his roles is however.

I think Robinson is bad for Parise. Can you imagine ANY coach telling a rookie "You,re working to hard, save your energy for more appropriate times". Geeeze, YUCK!

aspin
12-04-2005, 03:56 PM
It seems like every couple of years the oilers get a few of these "big surprise" guys. They're drafted out of the first round, are pretty much unheard of (outside of prospect-crazy hf), and hit a purple patch in the ahl.

VERY rarely do they show they can do it in the NHL consistantly, but for the next few years the fans hype him up to the point where he apparently has more to offer than what he does. He's just not trying hard enough. The coach hates him. Skating too fast messes up his hairdoo. I'm not going to say that Jacques will fail, but the odds are against him, and I've seen it a million times now with Oiler fans. Remember our "kid line" a few years back? They lit up the AHL, so whose to say they can't do it in the NHL!

We overrate our prospects. Plain and simple. Jacques will be a third line grinder, tops. Semenov was going to be a 5-6 dman, tops. Woywitka and Lynch were #4 dmen, tops. Matt Greene is a #5 dman, absolutely tops.

However, Pouliot has the potential to be a #1 centre. The deal is basically Pouliot for Parise, and although I wouldn't have taken it then (mostly because of the overzealous announcers), now it's not looking too shabby. If Jaques becomes a third line grinder, I'd rather not even have him. Those guys are a dime a dozen in the new nhl.


I disagree completely. Jacques is a very big part of this deal. He is huge and hits hard. He may be a 3rd liner or a second line LW but he has hands and could score 20-25 and if you think that a 6'4 217 pound forward that hits hard 2-3 times a shift and has hands are a dime a dozen then look again. This is exactly what Edmonton needs. The Hamilton fans love him. He energizes the whole team.

Devilsfanatic
12-04-2005, 04:01 PM
I'm not down on him.......He is doing everything I have expected. When people were predicting 70 or 80 points I told everyone I'd be happy with 40 and expect more like 25/30.

I don't think he has been playing poorly either. I think he is struggling with what his roles is however.

I think Robinson is bad for Parise. Can you imagine ANY coach telling a rookie "You,re working to hard, save your energy for more appropriate times". Geeeze, YUCK!

Robinson works great with young guys, Parise has been getting his chances, he's just failing to capitalize, I think he needs to go to Albany, if only for a month.

JimEIV
12-04-2005, 04:21 PM
Robinson works great with young guys, Parise has been getting his chances, he's just failing to capitalize, I think he needs to go to Albany, if only for a month.

I don't disagree with Albany, but Robinson isn't Head Coach material.

creative giant*
12-04-2005, 04:42 PM
I disagree completely. Jacques is a very big part of this deal. He is huge and hits hard. He may be a 3rd liner or a second line LW but he has hands and could score 20-25 and if you think that a 6'4 217 pound forward that hits hard 2-3 times a shift and has hands are a dime a dozen then look again. This is exactly what Edmonton needs. The Hamilton fans love him. He energizes the whole team.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the 'dime a dozen part'. On the other parts though, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I don't doubt that he has the potential to become a gritty third liner, who scores 20 goals. But I just don't think that's what this team needs right now. Our whole team is second and third line players who can score 20 goals. 20 goals is not the benchmark it was in the old NHL. If you get the minutes, any guy can go out there and pot 20.

I've seen this played over too many times to get sucked in again, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.....

Main Devil
12-04-2005, 09:57 PM
He sucks so far this season. Wait until next season.

Big#D
12-05-2005, 09:57 AM
Parise won't be sent down to Albany because he would be subject to recall waivers if he was called back up. If the Devils send him to Albany, he would be staying there for the rest of the season. I don't think the Devils would want to do that to him unless they knew they weren't making the playoffs. Besides, who do the Devils have in Albany that can play nearly as well as him? No one I can think of.

sundstrom32*
12-06-2005, 09:53 PM
I have watched every devils game so far this season. Robisnosn is the main problem with this team.

His passive system is not a good one for todays nhl.
His forechecking system allows other teams defensman to either skate the puck out un molested or make a nice easy pass forward.

this allows other teams to easily skate into the offensive zone or dump puck in with full head of steam putting pressure on our d that they cannot handle

if robinson remains coach and does not change his philosophy this team will most certainly not make the playoffs and will finishe near the bottom of the league.

On top of all that their defense are slow and do not pass the puck well at all, less rafalski and martin

Brooklyndevil
12-07-2005, 09:44 AM
I have watched every devils game so far this season. Robisnosn is the main problem with this team.

His passive system is not a good one for todays nhl.
His forechecking system allows other teams defensman to either skate the puck out un molested or make a nice easy pass forward.

this allows other teams to easily skate into the offensive zone or dump puck in with full head of steam putting pressure on our d that they cannot handle

if robinson remains coach and does not change his philosophy this team will most certainly not make the playoffs and will finishe near the bottom of the league.

On top of all that their defense are slow and do not pass the puck well at all, less rafalski and martin

If you point is that Robinson has mis-managed Parise, I agree.

Jason MacIsaac
12-07-2005, 12:22 PM
Robinson works great with young guys, Parise has been getting his chances, he's just failing to capitalize, I think he needs to go to Albany, if only for a month.
Maybe its becuse Parise isn't a goal scorer and they keep puting him out with playmakers and grinders.

ATLANTARANGER*
12-07-2005, 10:11 PM
If you listened to all the buzz about Vanek from Sabres fans, he was supposed to be on pace for 25-30 goals in his rookie season. He's scored exactly 4 so far for Buffalo. Same number as Mike Richards and 3 less then Jeff Carter. Parise will come around in due time. Too much talent in him. He does need to put on some upper body muscle though imo. Too many one-on-one battles and fights for loose pucks along the boards/behind the net were lost when he was asked to play center which a guy like Viktor Kozlov handles pretty well in his place.
So many #1's who were highly touted struggling and a 8th round pick like Prucha with 10 goals and playing on the 3rd line with 2 cj\heckers as his linemates. Go figure. Do you think Parise's problem is not playing him with offensive linemates?

dkball7
12-07-2005, 10:22 PM
So many #1's who were highly touted struggling and a 8th round pick like Prucha with 10 goals and playing on the 3rd line with 2 cj\heckers as his linemates. Go figure. Do you think Parise's problem is not playing him with offensive linemates?

They are getting very similar amounts of ice time, but the similarities end there. Of Prucha's 10 goals, 6 of them come on the powerplay, and many of those were slam dunks due to amazing plays by Jagr and/or Nylander. Parise has no such luxury.

I wouldn't exactly say that Parise is struggling, he just hasn't settled in with linemates yet. Sarge and Langenbrunner are not good linemates for him, as a line they have done nothing together. I think they should put him with almo and see how that works. Parise has had two main problems, controling the puck for any extended period of time, and finishing. Pairing him with Mogilny would hopefully alleviate both of those problems, taking the pressure off him scoring goals, and by carrying the puck into the zone himself.

Brooklyndevil
12-08-2005, 08:56 AM
Rangers fan getting smug. But you can look at it this way, Parise is playing in the NHL, while Jessiman is playing in ECHL. This would be a better comparison since they were both drafted in the same year in which Jessiman was picked higher by the Rangers.

Jason MacIsaac
12-08-2005, 11:42 AM
So many #1's who were highly touted struggling and a 8th round pick like Prucha with 10 goals and playing on the 3rd line with 2 cj\heckers as his linemates. Go figure. Do you think Parise's problem is not playing him with offensive linemates?
Robinson doesn't know how to use Parise correctly in my honestly opinion. Again last night I seen Langenbrunner and Brylin dump the puck on Parise's wing for him to go in the corner and get it. Parise has been getting man handled in the corners. The ideal line for Parise would be with a physical force and a goal scorer. We don't have either at the moment.

Also Parise works the best off the half boards with the puck. Robison is working a player like Parise into the NHL incorrectly. He should be getting few even strength minutes and alot of PP minutes since that is where whe would work best at this moment.

JR#9*
12-08-2005, 11:50 AM
Rangers fan getting smug. But you can look at it this way, Parise is playing in the NHL, while Jessiman is playing in ECHL. This would be a better comparison since they were both drafted in the same year in which Jessiman was picked higher by the Rangers.

Just like Parise will be fine and just needs some time to adjust Hugh is a power forward who we all know take more time to develop so while Parise is more of the sure thing Hugh also has some significant upside as he has great size, soft hands and a real desire to work as hard as he can to take the next step, it will just take alittle longer after his severe ankle injury cost him a valuable developmental yr last season.

Both guys will be NHLer's, remains to be seen what level each will achieve.

The Omen*
12-08-2005, 12:15 PM
Kid should go down. He needs time to grown. Right now he looks lost out there.

Whaddagoal
12-08-2005, 12:33 PM
I also agree that he should go down. From the games that I've seen this season, he has struggled around the boards (outclassed), and he seems more often than not, to botch up good chances for a rush, either with a questionable or misfired pass, or has trouble once he receives a pass maintaining possession because he gets pushed around, or cannot make another play.

That being said, I have liked in general what I have seen, but I don't think he's ready to be out there with Mogilny or whoever.

He'll have his time im sure, his work ethic is great, and he seems to have some decent positioning....just needs more development.

Nich
12-09-2005, 08:52 PM
i agree that he could use this season in the ahl

TaiMaiShu
12-09-2005, 09:04 PM
he needs to get stronger. quality minutes there is more useful than like 7 up with the devils

Devilsfanatic
12-09-2005, 09:04 PM
Why couldn't Lou have moved up to # 9 in the draft and taken Phaneuf instead of this clown.

Jason MacIsaac
12-09-2005, 10:15 PM
Why couldn't Lou have moved up to # 9 in the draft and taken Phaneuf instead of this clown.
He is a clown for giving 110% every single game this year? It isn't his fault he was selected in the first round by the Devils and was expected to carry too much of an offensive load in his rookie season. You need to grow up and realize its only a game.

TaiMaiShu
12-09-2005, 10:18 PM
He is a clown for giving 110% every single game this year? It isn't his fault he was selected in the first round by the Devils and was expected to carry too much of an offensive load in his rookie season. You need to grow up and realize its only a game.

great points. we overhyped parise a lot. he justs needs more time. he will be a great player

Devilsfanatic
12-09-2005, 10:20 PM
He is a clown for giving 110% every single game this year? It isn't his fault he was selected in the first round by the Devils and was expected to carry too much of an offensive load in his rookie season. You need to grow up and realize its only a game.

I forgot the :sarcasm: smiley. I for one am not disappointed, Im actually happy that he hasn't lived up to the overhype on these boards, maybe it'll knock people down a few pegs when it comes to ranking prospects next time.

zarathustra1900
12-10-2005, 12:17 PM
I don't disagree with Albany, but Robinson isn't Head Coach material.


I could'nt agree more. Robinson does not know this team!

Have you read his latest comments, "this is the strangest team I have ever known..."

He is a complete outsider. He is not giving this team the leadership they need.

Best regards

Brooklyndevil
12-10-2005, 04:39 PM
I could'nt agree more. Robinson does not know this team!

Have you read his latest comments, "this is the strangest team I have ever known..."

He is a complete outsider. He is not giving this team the leadership they need.

Best regards

How is Larry an outsider? He's only been with the organization for over ten years. :dunno:

The Omen*
12-10-2005, 10:25 PM
great points. we overhyped parise a lot. he justs needs more time. he will be a great player

Not if they keep putting him on the 4th line with 7 min of ice time.

ATLANTARANGER*
12-16-2005, 08:23 AM
Rangers fan getting smug. But you can look at it this way, Parise is playing in the NHL, while Jessiman is playing in ECHL. This would be a better comparison since they were both drafted in the same year in which Jessiman was picked higher by the Rangers.
We will see Hugh soon enough in NY and we will see how NJ's defense handles him.
He lost a whole year of development to injury. He made the exact same mistake as Montoya did. He trained all off season the year of the strike and preparation for turning pro and made the wrong choice. Any asute hockey fan knows that whether it be a power forward or a defenseman some players take time. He's doing well in Charlotte adjusting to the pro game and I expect his recall to Hartford soon now that he has regained his game.
Rangers never hyped Jessiman the way you guys and NJ did with Parise. I remember opening night and the Parise Euphoria that Devil fans were spouting about Parise being better than Crosby! Prucha has 15 goals, more than Crosby almost half way through the season. Do you see any of saying Prucha is better than Crosby!
Jessiman has good hands. Sees the ice very well. What I want him to improve upon is his balance. For a big guy he is easy to knock off his skates. I'll take I'll prospect pool and be content to wait for their development.
When can we expect to see Ahonen, Kadeykin and Foster crack the devils lineup? Anytime soon? If I remember they were all rated higher or very near what Moore, Lundqvist and Tyutin were.

JimEIV
12-16-2005, 08:55 AM
"Rangers never hyped Jessiman the way you guys and NJ did with Parise."

With all do respect Jessiman never led his team let alone his Nation to prominance.

And I have all the confidence in the world Parise will turn out to be a very good player.

For a rookie to step into a situation that New Jersey is in right now is a very difficult situation. But Parise still shows an incredible work ethic, a tanacity in the corners, a willingness to into traffic and flashes of some very good play maikng ability.

Parise, could have very easily gone into a shell being in the situation he is in, but he hasn't. You can see him still giving a solid effort every time he is on the ice.

Prucha is a full two years old than Parise and 5 years older than Crosby. Prucha has had the benefit of 4 full years of Professional Hockey in Czech playing with guys like Milan Hejduk, Jan Bulis, Petr Sykora, and Ales Hemsky. I don't think that is really a fair comparison.

If you're going to do comparision do it in the draft year

1 Pittsburgh Marc-Andre Fleury G Cape-Breton Screaming Eagles (QMJHL) 21 0 2 2Carolina Eric Staal C Peterborough Petes (OHL) 81 11 20 31 40
3 Florida Nathan Horton C Oshawa Generals (OHL) 55 14 8 22 57
4 Columbus Nikolai Zherdev R CSKA Moscow (Russia) 57 13 21 34 54
5 Buffalo Thomas Vanek W U. of Minnesota (NCAA)
6 San Jose Milan Michalek W Ceske Budejovice HC (Czech) 2 1 0 1 4
7 Nashville Ryan Suter D U.S. Junior National Team (Intl)
8 Atlanta Braydon Coburn D Portland Winter Hawks (WHL)
9 Calgary Dion Phaneuf D Red Deer Rebels (WHL)
10 Mtl. Canadiens Andrei Kostitsyn W CSKA Moscow (Russia)
11 Philadelphia Jeff Carter C Sault-Ste.-Marie Greyhounds (OHL)
12 NY Rangers Hugh Jessiman F Dartmouth College (NCAA)
13 Los Angeles Dustin Brown R Guelph Storm (OHL) 31 1 4 5 16
14 Chicago Brent Seabrook D Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL)
15 NY Islanders Robert Nilsson R Leksands IF (SEL)
16 San Jose Steve Bernier R Moncton Wildcats (QMJHL)
17 New Jersey Zach Parise C U. of North Dakota (NCAA)
18 Washington Eric Fehr R Brandon Wheat Kings (WHL)
19 Anaheim Ryan Getzlaf C Calgary Hitmen (WHL)
20 Minnesota Brent Burns D Brampton Battalion (OHL) 36 1 5 6 12
21 Boston Mark Stuart D Colorado College (NCAA)
22 Edmonton Marc-Antoine Pouliot C Rimouski Oceanic (QMJHL)
23 Vancouver Ryan Kesler C Ohio State University (NCAA) 28 2 3 5 16
24 Philadelphia Mike Richards C Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
25 Florida Anthony Stewart R Kingston Frontenacs (OHL)
26 Los Angeles Brian Boyle F St. Sebastian's [Mass. H.S.]
27 Los Angeles Jeff Tambellini U. of Michigan (NCAA)
28 Anaheim Corey Perry R London Knights (OHL)
29 Ottawa Patrick Eaves F Boston College (NCAA)
30 St. Louis Shawn Belle D Tri-City Americans (WHL)

Pwnasaurus
12-16-2005, 09:22 AM
Best draft overall in quite sometime thus far

Drewr15
12-16-2005, 09:40 AM
Parise hardly plays - its ridiculous. The power play is horrible, why not give him a chance on it. If Robinson is going to use him only 5 or 6 minutes a game then send him to albany. I don't think he belongs there but it is pointless to have him here to ride the bench and watch the "veterans" fail.

Prucha has looked great but he is getting more ice time than Parise, is on the power play with Jagr, gets chances in shootouts, its tough to compare them when their situations are so different. I don't understand why the vets are allowed to make the same mistakes over and over but Parise is forced to sit on the bench and watch. Its really dumb IMO.

JimEIV
12-16-2005, 09:55 AM
When can we expect to see Ahonen, Kadeykin and Foster crack the devils lineup? Anytime soon?

Dude you need to compare apples to apples

Same Draft Year----Who was the bigger bust????
9 NY Rangers Jamie Lundmark C Moose Jaw Warriors
27 New Jersey Ari Ahonen G JyP HT Jyvaskyla (FNL)

Same Draft Year----Who was the bigger bust????
Both teams didn't have a first rounder that year

33 NY Rangers Lee Falardeau C Michigan State University (NCAA)
51 New Jersey Anton Kadeykin D Elemash Elektrostal (Russia)

Same Draft Year----Who was the bigger bust????
10 NY Rangers Dan Blackburn G Kootenay Ice (WHL) 63 0 0 0 12
28 New Jersey Adrian Foster C Saskatoon Blades (WHL) (Hey at least Foster is still playing)

Only difference in the those years is the Rangers had the benefit of two top 10 picks and New Jersey Never had Higher than a 27th pick.

Unthinkable
12-16-2005, 10:28 PM
Prucha has looked great but he is getting more ice time than Parise, is on the power play with Jagr, gets chances in shootouts, its tough to compare them when their situations are so different.

Prucha lives with Jagr also which partly explains why the two have such good chemistry together on-ice.

Devilsfanatic
12-16-2005, 10:34 PM
Dude you need to compare apples to apples

Same Draft Year----Who was the bigger bust????
9 NY Rangers Jamie Lundmark C Moose Jaw Warriors
27 New Jersey Ari Ahonen G JyP HT Jyvaskyla (FNL)

Same Draft Year----Who was the bigger bust????
Both teams didn't have a first rounder that year

33 NY Rangers Lee Falardeau C Michigan State University (NCAA)
51 New Jersey Anton Kadeykin D Elemash Elektrostal (Russia)

Same Draft Year----Who was the bigger bust????
10 NY Rangers Dan Blackburn G Kootenay Ice (WHL) 63 0 0 0 12
28 New Jersey Adrian Foster C Saskatoon Blades (WHL) (Hey at least Foster is still playing)

Only difference in the those years is the Rangers had the benefit of two top 10 picks and New Jersey Never had Higher than a 27th pick.


haha, awesome.

DuklaNation
12-19-2005, 12:50 PM
Let him develop at the NHL level. He already proved himself at the AHL level last year. I think he's more effective with shoot only wingers. What do you have to lose. This team is not making the playoffs anyways.

sveiglar
12-19-2005, 01:41 PM
Hopefully a new coach will use Parise a bit more and help him gain confidence. I'd rather he learn on the job here than in Albany.

Guttersnipe
12-19-2005, 02:39 PM
The Devils have always done a solid job developing their prospects and they'll do the same with Parise.