WJC06 Team Finland

1 RÄMÖ Karri 01.07.1986 Lahti 190 87 HPK
30 RASK Tuukka 10.03.1987 Savonlinna 189 78 Ilves

2 KOISTINEN Matti 18.01.1986 Outokumpu 181 89 Tappara
4 KORHONEN Risto 27.11.1986 Sotkamo 190 98 HPK
6 SEPPÄNEN Timo 22.07.1987 Helsinki 184 95 HIFK
7 LEPPÄNEN Erkka 25.11.1986 Jyväskylä 184 85 JYP
8 JOKINEN Juho 25.07.1986 Kalajoki 187 85 TuTo
14 LEINONEN Tommi 14.05.1987 Oulu 188 84 Kärpät
28 LAAKSO Teemu 27.08.1987 Tuusula 184 86 HIFK

9 TUKONEN Lauri 01.09.1986 Hyvinkää 188 93 Los Angeles
10 ALIKOSKI Mikko 28.07.1986 Oulu 172 84 Kärpät
11 KOLEHMAINEN Janne 22.03.1986 Lappeenranta 190 99 SaiPa
13 WIRTANEN Petteri 28.05.1986 Hyvinkää 186 88 HPK
15 LINDGREN Perttu 26.08.1987 Tampere 184 85 Ilves
16 KOMAROV Leo 23.01.1987 Narva 178 82 Ässät
18 SEITSONEN Aki 05.02.1986 Riihimäki 188 90 Prince Albert Raiders
19 JOENSUU Jesse 05.10.1987 Pori 192 91 Ässät
21 SAILIO Jari 18.03.1986 Hyvinkää 179 79 HPK
23 LEHTONEN Mikko 01.04.1987 Espoo 193 90 Blues
24 SINISALO Tomas 15.01.1986 Philadelphia 180 85 Blues
25 KORPIKOSKI Lauri 28.07.1986 Turku 186 86 TPS
29 HEINO Henri 14.06.1986 Lahti 180 85 Pelicans

http://www.finhockey.fi/taustasivut/artikkeliarkisto/?num=174899

Is that the final roster? Isn't it too early to name the final roster? When do they start their pre tournament tour against Finnish senior teams and how many games will they play?

Is that the final roster? Isn't it too early to name the final roster? When do they start their pre tournament tour against Finnish senior teams and how many games will they play?

It´s a final roster.....

Ilkka Sinisalo's son! :handclap:

Ilkka Sinisalo's son! :handclap:

Ah, so that's why Tomas is born in Philly.. talk about obvious.. sometimes the brain just doesn't tick like it should.

Looks good, i wonder if Lindgren will fill the gap that Nokelainen left.

Addendum: reserves

G Riku Helenius
G Niko Hovinen
D Tuomas Gärdström
D Mikael Kurki
C Miika Lahti
C Jonas Enlund
W Tommi Huhtala
W Ville Korhonen

do not know a bunch about the Finnish team can some one post if any of these guys belong to any NHL teams yet.

Thanks

Ah, so that's why Tomas is born in Philly.. talk about obvious.. sometimes the brain just doesn't tick like it should.

Philly is suburb of Finland

do not know a bunch about the Finnish team can some one post if any of these guys belong to any NHL teams yet.

Thanks

Players drafted to the NHL:

Tuukka Rask Toronto Maple Leafs 2005 1st round #21
Karri Rämö Tampa Bay Lightning 2004 6th round #191
Risto Korhonen Carolina Hurricanes 2005 5th round #159
Teemu Laakso Nashville Predators 2005 3rd round #78
Tommi Leinonen Pittsburgh Penguins 2005 4th round #125
Janne Kolehmainen Ottawa Senators 2005 4th round #115
Lauri Korpikoski New York Rangers 2004 1st round #19
Mikko Lehtonen Boston Bruins 2005 3rd round #83
Perttu Lindgren Dallas Stars 2005 3rd round #75
Aki Seitsonen Calgary Flames 2004 4th round #118
Lauri Tukonen Los Angeles Kings 2004 1st round #11

Addendum: reserves

G Riku Helenius
G Niko Hovinen
D Tuomas Gärdström
D Mikael Kurki
C Miika Lahti
C Jonas Enlund
W Tommi Huhtala
W Ville Korhonen
4 Goalies? Why?

Will Rask still be elligable in 2007?

Thanks for the help. :)

What kind of season is Leinonen having?

Whose most likely to start in net?

Whose most likely to start in net?

Rask. He is far better than Ramo. . .

Too bad we won't get to see a repeat of that great Tukonen-Nokelainen-Korpikoski line. They would be more entertaining now than even last year because especially Tukonen and Nokelainen have become so much better.

It's a solid team that's for sure alot of older guys, 18 and 19 year olds.

Rask. He is far better than Ramo. . .

Ummm at this point you're wrong. Rämo is IMHO better goalie of the two.

What kind of season is Leinonen having?

So far he is playing in Karpat Junior team, because of the strong roster of Karpat men's team. In some weaker team in finnish league he would have surely already earned a spot in the men's roster.

Stats:
17 games, 3 goals, 6 assists, +21.

He is currently first in the league in +/- list.

Rask. He is far better than Ramo. . .

Actually Rämö has been far better this year... He has been posting Lehtonen like stats in the SM-liiga:

9GP 489.33minP 14GA 222S 1SO 2W-4T-1L 1,72Goals allowed per game 94,07S%

Actually Rämö has been far better this year... He has been posting Lehtonen like stats in the SM-liiga:

9GP 489.33minP 14GA 222S 1SO 2W-4T-1L 1,72Goals allowed per game 94,07S%

Yeah, after 9 games played. :shakehead Because Ramo has played well in 9 games, that makes him better than a goaltender that a professional scouting staff thought was good enough to draft in the first round.

I don't like your logic.

Rask >> Ramo.

So far he is playing in Karpat Junior team, because of the strong roster of Karpat men's team. In some weaker team in finnish league he would have surely already earned a spot in the men's roster.

Stats:
17 games, 3 goals, 6 assists, +21.

He is currently first in the league in +/- list.

What are you talking about? Kalpa has one of the weakest teams in the whole league :shakehead

Yeah, after 9 games played. :shakehead Because Ramo has played well in 9 games, that makes him better than a goaltender that a professional scouting staff thought was good enough to draft in the first round.

I don't like your logic.

Rask >> Ramo.

Could this be in any way based on potential? Because it really isn't the same as right now, and that's what its about, right now. Rämö > Rask at this moment in time. Noticed how both of who responded to you are finnish, unlike you, a leafs fan?

Ilkka Sinisalo's son! :handclap:

he was doing quite well with Saipa, even without the points, but was kicked out, because our coach Heikki Mälkiä said he started to float :shakehead

Yeah, after 9 games played. :shakehead Because Ramo has played well in 9 games, that makes him better than a goaltender that a professional scouting staff thought was good enough to draft in the first round.

I don't like your logic.

Rask >> Ramo.

I suggest you may look at their junior stats from last year as well. I think you'll find that Ramo had better stats.

By the way, I don't like your logic.

What are you talking about? Kalpa has one of the weakest teams in the whole league :shakehead

Kärpät != Kalpa

Yeah, after 9 games played. :shakehead Because Ramo has played well in 9 games, that makes him better than a goaltender that a professional scouting staff thought was good enough to draft in the first round.

I don't like your logic.

Rask >> Ramo.

Uhhuh...Rämö has been clearly better this year, he has the potential to become better but AT THIS POINT Rämö is ahead.

Kärpät != Kalpa

Ups, sorry... my bad, read it wrong :innocent:

Haha, I love it. People who have no bias towards either are easily picking Ramo...people who see both play often...

...but the one stalwart is here, insisting up and down that Rask is better, coincidentally a fan of the team that drafted Rask. Wheeew.

Haha, I love it. People who have no bias towards either are easily picking Ramo...people who see both play often...

...but the one stalwart is here, insisting up and down that Rask is better, coincidentally a fan of the team that drafted Rask. Wheeew.



What are you suggesting....?

:sarcasm:

Haha, I love it. People who have no bias towards either are easily picking Ramo...people who see both play often...

...but the one stalwart is here, insisting up and down that Rask is better, coincidentally a fan of the team that drafted Rask. Wheeew.
I think people are assuming b/c he was the starter last year

Haha, I love it. People who have no bias towards either are easily picking Ramo...people who see both play often...

...but the one stalwart is here, insisting up and down that Rask is better, coincidentally a fan of the team that drafted Rask. Wheeew.

YOU are criticizing ME for homerism? Now I've heard/seen it all.

YOU are criticizing ME for homerism? Now I've heard/seen it all.


I never said any such thing. Just pointed out the humor in this situation.

both Rämö and Rask have been good this year. I'd pick Rämö as 1a and Rask as 1b and let the hot glove carry the job..

both Rämö and Rask have been good this year. I'd pick Rämö as 1a and Rask as 1b and let the hot glove carry the job..

I'd definitely let Ramo play. If he doesn't deliver against Canada, it's Rask's turn. But I feel Ramo will be tournament all-star goalie - he's like Lehtonen in 2001-02, but flashier and way better stick-handler. I actually think he's a better stick-handler than any Finnish defenceman on the team. Now that's funny.

Beware, other countries. Rask isn't much behind him...

Is that the final roster? Isn't it too early to name the final roster? When do they start their pre tournament tour against Finnish senior teams and how many games will they play?

Finland U-20 has been playing this hole season against Finnish second level senior teams...They have had lots of time to preporation to WJC´s 2006 and test players......
So i think they are ready to take medal at this tournament....
Its to bad that Nokelainen is injured but Perttu Lindgren has been very very good (I meant) very very very very good in SM-Liiga...
So he can placed Nokelainen in 1 line...with Tukonen and Korpikoski!
Tuukka Rask Vs. Karri Rämö...I would give Rask to play against Canada and Switzerland...And Rämö against USA and Norway..and then deside whos gonna play rest of the tournament....
I hope that Teemu Laakso can show everyone that he is an All-Star defender in WJC`s this year... :yo:

That's a good looking team, with a very experienced top end (this is Tukonen's 3rd WJC is it not?). I think alot could depend on Joensu and how he progresses from alst year's tourney.

This team is a very serious medal contender IMO.

Yeah, after 9 games played. :shakehead Because Ramo has played well in 9 games, that makes him better than a goaltender that a professional scouting staff thought was good enough to draft in the first round.

I don't like your logic.

Rask >> Ramo.

Well, Ramo has been injured this year. Not even judging by the games played this year, just take a look at the Junior stats last year (Where Rask played for first place Ilves, and Ramo played for the awful Pelicans). You know, a professional scouting staff once decided to pick Artem Kriukov when Alexander Frolov was available. Professional scouting staffs aren't always right. I admit my bias here, pretty much all I'm saying is that your logic stinks.

That's a good looking team, with a very experienced top end (this is Tukonen's 3rd WJC is it not?). I think alot could depend on Joensu and how he progresses from alst year's tourney.

This team is a very serious medal contender IMO.

IMO, Finland is the 2nd best team in the tournament behind the USA.

Yeah, after 9 games played. :shakehead Because Ramo has played well in 9 games, that makes him better than a goaltender that a professional scouting staff thought was good enough to draft in the first round.

I don't like your logic.

Rask >> Ramo.

Rämö is way ahead of Rask right now, and has much more serious game experience this year. He has been very good, and should be the starter for sure. I am not saying that he will be better than Rask in the future, but right now, no contest.

I know other finns already told you this, just wanted to add another unbiased opinion in favour of Rämö. I believe he is the #1 goalie in the tournament, not just team Finland.

Rämö played his 10th game of the season on monday against League #2 team Kärpät (Would have been #1 if they won) and stopped 25/26 shots in a 2-1 home win and was clearly the best player of the game. He now has the best GAA and save% of the league.

Tonight Rämö and Rask will play against each other.

Tonight Rämö and Rask will play against each other.

Sweet! :D

Is there any official word on that they both will play tonight?

Tonight Rämö and Rask will play against each other.

...And Rask (24 saves) owned Rämö (21 saves), as Ilves won 4-1. Does that mean Rask's gonna be the starter for sure?

Come on people! It's freaking ridicilous to say that Rämö is way ahead of Rask, or that he's been clearly better than Rask, or that he should definitively be the number one goalie in the tournament. Someone even said that Rämö "has much more serious game experience this year". What the hell does that mean? Rask has played more men's league games than Rämö. Period.

We have two excellent goalies who both should get a chance in the tournament.

4 Goalies? Why?

Coach Aravirta said that Helenius and Hovinen will both be in Canada with U18 national team at the time of the WJC tournament, so it was convinient to pick them as reserve goalies.

Will Rask still be elligable in 2007?

Yes.

We have two excellent goalies who both should get a chance in the tournament.

They probably will too. We all know Aravirta. He usually lets everyone play.

I just saw the clips from the game and Rämö did not let any softies in. The only one Rask let in was a bit of a soft goal, but he more than made up for it with 24 saves.

Excellent prospects both of them. Rask is a year younger so that would make him my favourite over Rämö in the future, but as of right now, Rämö is more experienced.

Rämö played 26 games in SM-liiga last season and played very well. Rask did not play last year, well at least not against men. This year Rask has 3 more starts, so that still puts Rämö 23 games ahead. That is what I meant by experience...Rämö had to face a ton of shots in the worst team of the league last year, he really had to "learn the hard way" but he did well.

I am not biased on this matter, I dont like either of their teams better than the other, just calling it how I see it

Rämö played 26 games in SM-liiga last season and played very well. Rask did not play last year, well at least not against men.

Actually Rask played a few men's SM-liiga games last season, but admittedly he sucked in those games.

I am not biased on this matter, I dont like either of their teams better than the other, just calling it how I see it

I didn't say you are biased. I just find it weird that almost everybody seems to think that Rämö is clearly so much better goalie even at this point of time. Though obviously I am very biased. :)

Though obviously I am very biased. :)

I know, thats why I wanted to mention I am not...so you could maybe take my opinion like it is. I really dont mean to downplay Rask's performance and I believe he will be better of those two in a long run, but in the WJC I would start with Rämö.

I love the fact that there are just more and more amazing goalies coming out from Finland. Last night I watched the Flyers-Flames game and Finnish goalies OWNED. Kipper made a "save of the year" and about 5 amazing saves in just the third period, and Niittymäki was very solid and especially in the shootout he shined.

Made me think about the finnish goalie situation...

Kiprusoff
Niittymäki
Markkanen
Toskala
Noronen
Lehtonen
Toivonen
Rinne
Rämö
Rask

And I am probably forgetting some names. That list looks like we will have solid goaltending for a long time, and could see a long list of starting finnish goaltenders in the NHL for years to come.

Yes psycho_dad , Finland is becoming one of the 'powerhouse' in goalie production . Last year AHL semi-finals made it clear with Toivonen , Lethonen and Niittymaki as starters of their teams .

Kiprusoff
Niittymäki
Markkanen
Toskala
Noronen
Lehtonen
Toivonen
Rinne
Rämö
Rask

And I am probably forgetting some names. That list looks like we will have solid goaltending for a long time, and could see a long list of starting finnish goaltenders in the NHL for years to come.
Jeez. Did you guys have to take Wiikman? He was raised in Sweden, and played several games for the juniornational team. :cry:

Jeez. Did you guys have to take Wiikman? He was raised in Sweden, and played several games for the juniornational team. :cry:

But you got Salo, so we're even.

But you got Salo, so we're even.

But Salo wasn't raised in Finland and has never played for the finnish national team. :sarcasm:

Yeah, after 9 games played. :shakehead Because Ramo has played well in 9 games, that makes him better than a goaltender that a professional scouting staff thought was good enough to draft in the first round.

I don't like your logic.

Rask >> Ramo.

Your logic is a tad flawed, actually. Look at Canada's goaltending situation this season. Will anybody raise a big fuss if Pogge or Ellis gets the starter's position over Price and Dubnyk? Yet Price and Dubnyk were the first-round goalies.

I think Price will likely get the nod, but Pogge has had a better season (even if his team is lots better), and is a year older.

Sounds quite similar to the Finnish dilemma, doesn't it?

Where is Wolski if first rounders are a shoo-in? Fact is, there's first rounders that fail to get picked (or start in goal) pretty much every year.

Your logic is a tad flawed, actually. Look at Canada's goaltending situation this season. Will anybody raise a big fuss if Pogge or Ellis gets the starter's position over Price and Dubnyk? Yet Price and Dubnyk were the first-round goalies.

I think Price will likely get the nod, but Pogge has had a better season (even if his team is lots better), and is a year older.

Sounds quite similar to the Finnish dilemma, doesn't it?

Where is Wolski if first rounders are a shoo-in? Fact is, there's first rounders that fail to get picked (or start in goal) pretty much every year.

Well, yeah it sounds quite similar, but i think Rask has been having better season and he plays in the "weaker" team. Im quite sure he'll be starting world juniors. (and im not a fan of Ilves/HPK or even Pelicans ie. not biased) :)

Well being neither fan of Ilves or HPK, I'd say Rämö is currently the better of the two.

Rask has the chance to become better but he's not there yet.

Will politics push Rask to start?

I thought he was excellent last year at the WJC, especially vs the Czech Republic. I actualy took him 13th in my keeper league.

Well being neither fan of Ilves or HPK, I'd say Rämö is currently the better of the two.

I'd say that Rämö was slightly better before he got injured. Rämö just hasn't been as convincing after the injury, I think the situation is pretty even right now. Still I'm not concerned about the goalies, either one can (and should) play amazing games. Our defense is bit of a questionmark for me, not too much experience there and of course Nokelainen would've been very important for us.

Haha, I love it. People who have no bias towards either are easily picking Ramo...people who see both play often...

...but the one stalwart is here, insisting up and down that Rask is better, coincidentally a fan of the team that drafted Rask. Wheeew.

:confused:

I've read the whole thread as I came here to specifically learn about the battle between Rask and Ramo.

So far I've read three Finnish posters who feel Ramo is better, five who feel it's pretty even between them and two who feel Rask is better.

So I don't neccessarily see the scenario you have described. I realize you love taking every opportunity you can to knock Leaf fans. But maybe next time, in all your desperate urgency to get a shot in, be more careful not to jump the gun.

As a Leaf fan I really want to see Rask get the #1 job, but to be nammed to the Team is honor enough, I know everyone on the Leaf Board is hoping for a Pogge vs Rask game, but we'll see.

I have no idea who is better at this point so I have no oppinion on who is better, all I know is I really want to see Rask vs Pogge on Boxing day.

Link (http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Hockey/2005/12/21/1362692-sun.html)


Aravirta said from B.C. he will not decide until after a pair of exhibition games whether Rask or Karri Ramo, a Tampa Bay Lightning prospect, will go in against Canada.

"I hope I start," Rask told The Toronto Sun from B.C. "I know there are two good goalies here and we have two games to see what happens. I just noticed two weeks ago that (Pogge)was a Maple Leafs pick and it would be great to play against him. We'll see after these two games."


Finlands coach:

Aravirta made it clear he would have no problem choosing either Rask or Ramo.

"They are quite even," Aravirta said. "They are both going to play one game and we will decide after that. We would like to see them in these games first. We have confidence in both of our goalies."