11/23/05 Anaheim at Dallas

McDonald19
11-23-2005, 07:31 AM
TONIGHT

at Dallas, 5:30 PST, FSNW2

Site — American Airlines Center.

Radio — 1090.

Records — Ducks 8-10-2-2; Stars 13-6-1-0.

Record vs. Stars — 0-2-0-0.

Update — Defenseman Sandis Ozolinsh was benched in the third period against Phoenix and played only 6 minutes, 36 seconds. "It was coach's decision," Carlyle said. Forward Petr Sykora was scratched because of a groin injury.

Chistov23
11-23-2005, 01:39 PM
Hey Chock, if you thought last nights line-up was AHL, wait until tonight! I really can't see how we could win this game, heck I'm just hoping we can score a goal!

Spankatola Jamnuts
11-23-2005, 03:47 PM
I am killing myself trying to not overreact to all the roster moves to wait and see what Burke is going to do. Like I said, poo onslaught is barely being withheld.

Kick Save
11-23-2005, 03:55 PM
I am killing myself trying to not overreact to all the roster moves to wait and see what Burke is going to do. Like I said, poo onslaught is barely being withheld.

Booger: Weren't you one of the major Fedorov detractors earlier this year? It seems to me I saw more than one post from you about how Fedorov only played up to his ability about once every four games or so. (Obviously, I'm paraphrasing, but I'm pretty sure it was you who was very critical of Fedorov and the effort he put forth (or the lack thereof).

For those of you who are keeping score: The Ducks are 1-0-0-0 since the arrival of Marchant. They didn't win a single game with Fedorov. I can't say that I've been paying close attention, but what's Columbus' record since the advent of Fedorov? How many goals and assists has he compiled?

arinkrat*
11-23-2005, 03:57 PM
I am killing myself trying to not overreact to all the roster moves to wait and see what Burke is going to do. Like I said, poo onslaught is barely being withheld.

For the Ducks' sake (unfortunately not for your health), I hope you get constipated. But I wouldn't bet on it and remember to get out of the way in case it hits the fan. Burke's idea of "up-tempo" hockey is starting to make me feel the same way too.

D98
11-23-2005, 04:05 PM
If we play solid hockey and can win this game .. then lets wait and see ...i dont mention and blame burke for two weeks.

Chistov23
11-23-2005, 04:30 PM
If we play solid hockey and can win this game .. then lets wait and see ...i dont mention and blame burke for two weeks.
I don't blame Burke for anything, I'm fine with all of his moves thus far. You have to admit though, our line-up tonight will be a little sad to look at.

Kunitz McDonald Selanne
Nieds Marchant Penner
Hedstrom Pahlsson Wright
Moen Konopka Marshall

Nieds/Salei
Carney/Vish
Ozo/Dipenta

Bryz/Wall

It is hard to put together a line that can score. Selanne probably has more career goals than the rest of the team put together.

Fan.At
11-23-2005, 04:35 PM
I don't blame Burke for anything, I'm fine with all of his moves thus far. You have to admit though, our line-up tonight will be a little sad to look at.

Kunitz McDonald Selanne
Nieds Marchant Penner
Hedstrom Pahlsson Wright
Moen Konopka Marshall

Nieds/Salei
Carney/Vish
Ozo/Dipenta

Bryz/Wall

It is hard to put together a line that can score. Selanne probably has more career goals than the rest of the team put together.
with ozolinsh out, you gonna see beauchemin as 6th dman...

Spankatola Jamnuts
11-23-2005, 04:49 PM
Booger: Weren't you one of the major Fedorov detractors earlier this year? It seems to me I saw more than one post from you about how Fedorov only played up to his ability about once every four games or so. (Obviously, I'm paraphrasing, but I'm pretty sure it was you who was very critical of Fedorov and the effort he put forth (or the lack thereof).

Not just earlier this year. Always have hated Fedorov. Him not playing to his ability means he has ability. We're not a better team with Marchant than with Fedorov. Fedorov is one of the best players in the league. Marchant is one of the best.....3rd liners. So. Follow me now. Fedorov = good. I don't like him anyway. Marchant = meh. I actually like Marchant, but it doesn't make us better. I liked David Sacco. He blew. Do you see?

Randall Graves*
11-23-2005, 04:50 PM
Booger: Weren't you one of the major Fedorov detractors earlier this year? It seems to me I saw more than one post from you about how Fedorov only played up to his ability about once every four games or so. (Obviously, I'm paraphrasing, but I'm pretty sure it was you who was very critical of Fedorov and the effort he put forth (or the lack thereof).

For those of you who are keeping score: The Ducks are 1-0-0-0 since the arrival of Marchant. They didn't win a single game with Fedorov. I can't say that I've been paying close attention, but what's Columbus' record since the advent of Fedorov? How many goals and assists has he compiled?
Actually Fedorov was in the lineup the first game of the season...the ducks won.

Spankatola Jamnuts
11-23-2005, 04:53 PM
He assisted on the game winner...his only point :D

McDonald19
11-23-2005, 04:53 PM
with ozolinsh out, you gonna see beauchemin as 6th dman...

Carlyle benched Ozolinsh in the third, but I don't think he will healthy scratch him today.

Lyons71
11-23-2005, 05:50 PM
Dallas 3 Ducks 0

Sorry, but there's nothing to look forward to in this one, especially if Lupul's not playing. That would bring the 'people who can score' list down to just Selanne...

I'm pulling a double tonight just to avoid watching it live.

Kick Save
11-23-2005, 06:17 PM
Not just earlier this year. Always have hated Fedorov. Him not playing to his ability means he has ability. We're not a better team with Marchant than with Fedorov. Fedorov is one of the best players in the league. Marchant is one of the best.....3rd liners. So. Follow me now. Fedorov = good. I don't like him anyway. Marchant = meh. I actually like Marchant, but it doesn't make us better. I liked David Sacco. He blew. Do you see?

No, I don't "see" because it's a bogus analogy. Fedorov has yet to score a goal this season. You'd be the first person screaming about us paying a guy $6 mil per who hasn't potted a goal. His "groin" injury is suspect. GMs generally don't trade for guys while they're injured.

You're totally discounting the issue of team "chemistry". The New York Yankees have the greatest assemblage of talent money can buy: A-Rod, Jeter, Giambi, Rivera, et al. They haven't won it all since 2000 despite have a budget almost twice that of the next-highest-salaried team, probably four times higher than most teams and, if I'm not mistaken they spent more on one player (A-Rod) than the Devil Rays spent on their entire roster.

Besides that, the comparison is not Marchant vs. Fedorov. It was Marchant and Wright that combined on our first goal last night and, while I readily acknowledge that one game does not a season make, it had been a while since we scored the "first" goal and that probably was the difference between winning and losing last night.

BTW, how would you have redeployed the money saved by trading Fedorov?

Kick Save
11-23-2005, 06:19 PM
He assisted on the game winner...his only point :D

Actually, he has one assist in Columbus, too. So, he's on pace for 0 goals and 20 assists this season. :D

Spankatola Jamnuts
11-23-2005, 07:39 PM
No, I don't "see" because it's a bogus analogy. Fedorov has yet to score a goal this season. You'd be the first person screaming about us paying a guy $6 mil per who hasn't potted a goal. His "groin" injury is suspect. GMs generally don't trade for guys while they're injured.

It's only bogus if you believe that Fedorov's output to this point is indicative of how good he is.

You're totally discounting the issue of team "chemistry". The New York Yankees have the greatest assemblage of talent money can buy: A-Rod, Jeter, Giambi, Rivera, et al. They haven't won it all since 2000 despite have a budget almost twice that of the next-highest-salaried team, probably four times higher than most teams and, if I'm not mistaken they spent more on one player (A-Rod) than the Devil Rays spent on their entire roster.

No, I'm not.

Besides that, the comparison is not Marchant vs. Fedorov. It was Marchant and Wright that combined on our first goal last night and, while I readily acknowledge that one game does not a season make, it had been a while since we scored the "first" goal and that probably was the difference between winning and losing last night.

Wright doesn't fare any better than Marchant by comparison. Worse, actually. The first goal usually is key. Again, you keep dancing around it, but do you think that Marchant and Wright will provide more of that than Fedorov would have?

BTW, how would you have redeployed the money saved by trading Fedorov?

A center and wing that could score. Not Wright and Marchant. We have what they bring to the table in the minors already.

Jerky Leclerc
11-23-2005, 07:47 PM
The Ducks are going to bring alot of energy with Kunitz and Konopka.

Spankatola Jamnuts
11-23-2005, 07:51 PM
Wonder what the lines will be. I bet Carlyle does, too.

Randall Graves*
11-23-2005, 08:29 PM
Wonder what the lines will be. I bet Carlyle does, too.
each 3 names out of a hat will be the lines.

Jerky Leclerc
11-23-2005, 08:51 PM
The Ducks need to stay out of the box.

lux_interior
11-23-2005, 09:01 PM
Yeah, it's nice to see we've learned nothing about taking penalties and starting out behind the eight ball.

Jerky Leclerc
11-23-2005, 09:03 PM
Teemu!

fez
11-23-2005, 09:05 PM
holy crap what did Sellane do during the lockout? Its like he's superman

Jerky Leclerc
11-23-2005, 09:13 PM
lol. R. Nieds gets away with running Turco.

Jerky Leclerc
11-23-2005, 09:48 PM
2nd period. Ducks tied 1-1

Anaheim needs to stay out of the box. Penner is doing a good job on the pp.

190Octane
11-23-2005, 10:00 PM
Penner kinda reminds me of an NBA center down there on the PP, he gets the puck and distributes it back out to the perimeter.

Is it just me or did this team seem a lot more skilled the first game than this game?

BowDown2Chistov
11-23-2005, 10:12 PM
Booger: Weren't you one of the major Fedorov detractors earlier this year? It seems to me I saw more than one post from you about how Fedorov only played up to his ability about once every four games or so. (Obviously, I'm paraphrasing, but I'm pretty sure it was you who was very critical of Fedorov and the effort he put forth (or the lack thereof).

For those of you who are keeping score: The Ducks are 1-0-0-0 since the arrival of Marchant. They didn't win a single game with Fedorov. I can't say that I've been paying close attention, but what's Columbus' record since the advent of Fedorov? How many goals and assists has he compiled?

they won the season opener with feds!!!

BowDown2Chistov
11-23-2005, 10:14 PM
No, I don't "see" because it's a bogus analogy. Fedorov has yet to score a goal this season. You'd be the first person screaming about us paying a guy $6 mil per who hasn't potted a goal. His "groin" injury is suspect. GMs generally don't trade for guys while they're injured.

You're totally discounting the issue of team "chemistry". The New York Yankees have the greatest assemblage of talent money can buy: A-Rod, Jeter, Giambi, Rivera, et al. They haven't won it all since 2000 despite have a budget almost twice that of the next-highest-salaried team, probably four times higher than most teams and, if I'm not mistaken they spent more on one player (A-Rod) than the Devil Rays spent on their entire roster.

Besides that, the comparison is not Marchant vs. Fedorov. It was Marchant and Wright that combined on our first goal last night and, while I readily acknowledge that one game does not a season make, it had been a while since we scored the "first" goal and that probably was the difference between winning and losing last night.

BTW, how would you have redeployed the money saved by trading Fedorov?


didnt the yankees win in like 2002? oyea is ozo playing or not??

190Octane
11-23-2005, 10:26 PM
Actually, the Angels killed the spanks in '02.

Pirates won tonight 5-4... Getzlaf with 2g, 1a.. Perry with 1g, 1a.

Jerky Leclerc
11-23-2005, 10:38 PM
Why can't we beat any team not named Phoenix? Ducks losing 2-1

190Octane
11-23-2005, 10:43 PM
Why can't we beat any team not named Phoenix? Ducks losing 2-1

Because the only top line NHL talent we have on this team that is healthy now is named Niedermayer and Selanne.

I thought coming into this season this team had so much promise and now we're left with this. The bright side is with all the young talent we have, the only way Burke can screw it up is by trading them away but who knows.. he seems rather unpredictable.

Jerky Leclerc
11-23-2005, 10:45 PM
Penner seems alittle nervous not handling alot of the pucks cleanly. A few more games and he'll get use to the speed of the game.

190Octane
11-23-2005, 10:47 PM
Good job Salei.. take a hooking penalty with 3:18 left.

Jerky Leclerc
11-23-2005, 10:47 PM
Arnott is killing us this year.

190Octane
11-23-2005, 10:48 PM
How did I know that was coming?

190Octane
11-23-2005, 10:48 PM
Leave Bryzgalov in there and don't let that puke Arnott get a hat trick.

MightyMatt
11-23-2005, 10:49 PM
jesus we suck..

190Octane
11-23-2005, 10:52 PM
This is the least talented team we've ever iced. Imagine if Niedermayer or Selanne were to get hurt, we'd have no scoring threat whatsoever.

Jerky Leclerc
11-23-2005, 10:53 PM
Another game another loss. Golf anyone?

190Octane
11-23-2005, 10:56 PM
Another game another loss. Golf anyone?

No kidding, why wait until April?

Jerky Leclerc
11-23-2005, 11:00 PM
The Ducks work hard but there is a crisis of confidence. We just can't score any timely goals. Where's stumpy when we need him?

Spankatola Jamnuts
11-23-2005, 11:01 PM
The guys are working hard, but whatcha gonna do. There's no talent here. This is not a big league lineup. What on earth are the powers-that-be thinking in icing this kind of team?

Selanne should have slapped that ref.

BowDown2Chistov
11-23-2005, 11:02 PM
isent it cool how the best team you ever put together is the worst team you ever put together. . .

McDonald19
11-23-2005, 11:24 PM
Carlyle benched Ozolinsh in the third, but I don't think he will healthy scratch him today.

I was wrong. Healthy scratch for Ozolinsh tonight.

ILuvLA
11-24-2005, 12:11 AM
I was wrong. Healthy scratch for Ozolinsh tonight.
Can someone explain why Ozo would be a healthy scratch? I don't get it? Sorry, and thanks for the input.

Chistov23
11-24-2005, 01:53 AM
I was wrong. Healthy scratch for Ozolinsh tonight.
We should of played him at forward instead of Marshall. Penner looked really nervous his first shift, it was kind of funny. He played ok, the puck seems to stick to him.

Obviously Burke isn't done, the team needs help. I think he may have to wait until Elias is ready to return to find a trading partner though.

CHRDANHUTCH
11-24-2005, 02:20 AM
Actually, the Angels killed the spanks in '02.

Pirates won tonight 5-4... Getzlaf with 2g, 1a.. Perry with 1g, 1a.

technically Getz had 3 goals Vish 1 via shootout

CHRDANHUTCH
11-24-2005, 02:22 AM
Penner seems alittle nervous not handling alot of the pucks cleanly. A few more games and he'll get use to the speed of the game.

Wondering now why he sat those first 2 games ;)

Randall Graves*
11-24-2005, 03:24 AM
The game was over after the first Dallas goal, the ducks just don't have the skill to consistantly create scoring chances, we can all thank our GM for this. All I've seen from him recently is alot of talk, but he hasn't done nothing to fix the offense.

lux_interior
11-24-2005, 03:46 AM
I taped this game and watched it. As I watched the 2nd and 3rd period, I found myself thinking, "I can't imagine a scenario in which the Ducks score another goal in this game...How can it happen?" Sure enough.

kenabnrmal
11-24-2005, 12:52 PM
The guys are working hard, but whatcha gonna do. There's no talent here. This is not a big league lineup. What on earth are the powers-that-be thinking in icing this kind of team?

Selanne should have slapped that ref.


Exactly. Can't even say the Ducks were outplayed. The Stars just have players who can convert their chances on a regular basis. The Ducks' lineup right now has one.

Penner looks alright. We need players...

McDonald19
11-24-2005, 03:14 PM
Can someone explain why Ozo would be a healthy scratch? I don't get it? Sorry, and thanks for the input.

He is in Carlyle's doghouse for being a turnover machine.

Lyons71
11-25-2005, 01:44 AM
Forget turnovers, all our dmen do that. It's the fact that he gets pwned one on one everytime, by not super good players either. He can't play d anymore.