11/22/05 Anaheim at Phoenix [Archive]

McDonald19

11-22-2005, 05:01 AM

at Phoenix, 6 PST, FSNW2

Site — Glendale Arena.

Radio — 1090.

Records — Ducks 7-10-2-2, Coyotes 11-10-1-1.

Record vs. Coyotes — 2-0-1-0.

Update — With Jean-Sebastien Giguere day-to-day with a strained hamstring, goalie Michael Wall was recalled a day after being assigned to Portland. Left wing Chris Kunitz was also recalled and forward Kip Brennan was put on waivers.

...On Monday, the Ducks claimed veteran center Todd Marchant of the Columbus Blue Jackets off waivers and demoted rookie forwards Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry to the team's affiliate in Portland, Maine. Marchant, 32, joined the team in Phoenix on Monday and is expected to be in the lineup for tonight's game against the Coyotes.

...Forward Petr Sykora is reportedly on the trading block. Sykora, who has one point in his last seven games, has four goals and is making about $3.12 million on the final year on his contract. "I have not at this point offered Sykora to anybody but I wouldn't rule out any type of move in the future," Burke said.

...In sending down Getzlaf and Perry, the Ducks' top two selections in the 2003 draft, Duck Coach Randy Carlyle said the two skilled youngsters needed more ice time than they would get staying.

LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-duckrep22nov22,1,1816580.story?coll=la-headlines-sports)

Lyons71

11-22-2005, 05:50 AM

Do I hear record losing streak?

2-1 Coyotes... Jesu- I mean Cujo plays an amazing game stopping 60 shots all from the blue line.

D98

11-22-2005, 07:08 AM

Is Marchant playing ?

McDonald19

11-22-2005, 07:30 AM

Is Marchant playing ?

see my post above from the LA Times:

Marchant, 32, joined the team in Phoenix on Monday and is expected to be in the lineup for tonight's game against the Coyotes.

Spankatola Jamnuts

11-22-2005, 06:19 PM

STILL haven't won on the road since October 5th. Maybe tonight's the night. Maybe.

Randall Graves*

11-22-2005, 06:29 PM

I feel good about this game, they have played decently...Bryz will need to steal it.

cheesymc

11-22-2005, 06:50 PM

I say ducks will lead it 2-1 in the 3rd and Coyotes will answer with 2 straight goals in the last 7 minutes, and get an empty net goal to end it with a score of 4-2. Thats me being optimistic too...

kingbrath

11-22-2005, 07:38 PM

5-2 Ducks...Marchant with 3 goals

Professor John Frink

11-22-2005, 10:23 PM

Damn I get home from work at 6:20 and the Ducks are up 2-0.

I must have been hit by a car and in a coma. Because this must be a dream.

Hockeyfan02

11-22-2005, 10:36 PM

Pretty impressive to see Nieds and Moen stand up for a guy who has been with the team for a day.

fez

11-22-2005, 10:41 PM

wow marchant has an assist in his first game

mmbt

11-22-2005, 10:45 PM

Even our smart veterans are making boneheaded plays. No wonder this team sucks.

McDonald19

11-22-2005, 10:47 PM

Pretty impressive to see Nieds and Moen stand up for a guy who has been with the team for a day.

I like the way Scott Nieds always comes to the aid of his teammates. He is our first captain to ever do that I think.

McDonald19

11-22-2005, 10:48 PM

2-1 Ducks after 1.

bad give away by Carney in the closing seconds and Sanderson scores with 0.2 on the clock. Those goals only happen against us. Jesus...

Spankatola Jamnuts

11-22-2005, 10:51 PM

I like the way Scott Nieds always comes to the aid of his teammates. He is our first captain to ever do that I think.
Troy Loney did it. For whatever that's worth.

I liked that period, anyway. Loved Niedermayer and Moen sticking up for Marchant, didn't even notice Sykora wasn't playing until the period was almost over. That late boner was just to put a little Mighty Duck flavoring on a good period. We'll see what the second brings.

Professor John Frink

11-22-2005, 10:56 PM

Was that Ozolinsh that had Keith Carneys jersey on there to lead tot he Yotes goal.

Jerky Leclerc

11-22-2005, 11:01 PM

Just got home from work. How has Anaheim played?

mmbt

11-22-2005, 11:10 PM

Just got home from work. How has Anaheim played?

Pretty darn good. They've been buzzing around the net better than they have in a while.

Hockeyfan02

11-23-2005, 12:02 AM

I don't condone the cheap stuff, but Fedoruk had full right to take out Nedved after that crap elbow by Gauthier on Lupul. This game is getting very chippy and part of why the NHL has the division play 8 games now. We have a rivalry brewing here. What's BS is Fedoruk getting 5 minutes when Gauthier got a free pass.

Jerky Leclerc

11-23-2005, 12:10 AM

Looks like Fedoruk is going to miss a few games. I hate seeing Nedved hurt but the Ducks had to respond after the cheap stuff on Lupul.

Professor John Frink

11-23-2005, 12:15 AM

I'm happy he did it, not happy Nedved got hurt. But for to long have we been known as a team that can be pushed around time after time. Sends a message.

He'll get 2 games then be back. We may need to call Perry and Getzlaf back up.

Sykora-hurt
Lupul-looks hurt
Ozolinsh-hurt
Fedoruk-most likely suspended

Hockeyfan02

11-23-2005, 12:23 AM

Doan just sucker punched Vishnevski after the game and Vish is bleeding. What a cheap hockey team Phoenix has. :madfire:

Jerky Leclerc

11-23-2005, 12:25 AM

I hope this win gets us over the hump.

McDonald19

11-23-2005, 12:30 AM

Randall Graves*

11-23-2005, 12:31 AM

wow, I never thought Doan was a cheap shot artist but that suckerpunch was totally unnecessary.

As for the Fedoruk play...I am glad he wanted to hit someone, unfortunately he hit Nedved up high, but it may have never escalated to that if the officials had called that dirty hit from Gauthier on Lupul or that Johnson hit which looked like a board.

This could be a character building win, the ducks pretty much played 14 skaters at the end. Ozolinsh was benched even though I feel he didn't deserve that, he made a couple turnovers but so did Carney, so did Salei(who also took stupid penalties). I hope Lupul is ok but he may have seperated his shoulder.

MightyMatt

11-23-2005, 12:31 AM

its good to see the ducks back in the W column. hopefully lupul isnt badly hurt. that hit should have been called.

Hank

11-23-2005, 12:32 AM

I don't condone the cheap stuff, but Fedoruk had full right to take out Nedved after that crap elbow by Gauthier on Lupul.

That's the second one Gauthier got away with, hitting Marchant being the first. The refs do their job and no one gets hurt.

Its sad that the league cares more about calling a tug with the stick than hitting with your elbows up.

McDonald19

11-23-2005, 12:34 AM

Well we got ourselves a rivalry.

Fedoruk is going to get at least a 1 game suspension automatically with that match penalty.

I like what Todd did though, after Lupul takes a cheap shot from Gauthier...instead of going after Gauthier, take a run at one of Phoenix's skill players. That is the best way to get back at them.

Gauthier and Doan should both be suspended.

The NHL has a new rule where if you instigate a fight in the last 5 minutes you automatically get a 1 game suspension. The refs probably only gave Doan 2 for roughing, but to me what he did is worse than a normal instigator penalty.

Randall Graves*

11-23-2005, 12:37 AM

Looks like Fedoruk is going to miss a few games. I hate seeing Nedved hurt but the Ducks had to respond after the cheap stuff on Lupul.
LOL, looks like Getzlaf and Perry may be right back...or Konopka.

Chistov23

11-23-2005, 12:39 AM

The NHL has a new rule where if you instigate a fight in the last 5 minutes you automatically get a 1 game suspension. The refs probably only gave Doan 2 for roughing, but to me what he did is worse than a normal instigator penalty.
They gave him 2, 5 and 10. So he is suspended atleast 1 game. Fedoruk is awsome, sorry Nedved you just had the puck at the wrong time, thank Gauthier for the concussion. Hopefully Vish remembers to take a run at Doan next time they play, Vish played a great game to.

McDonald19

11-23-2005, 12:40 AM

McDonald19

11-23-2005, 12:43 AM

LOL, looks like Getzlaf and Perry may be right back...or Konopka.

How about Brennan? I doubt Burke wants to play any games without an enforcer. I'd bet on Brennan being recalled. And then when he is sent back down he won't have to clear waivers.

Randall Graves*

11-23-2005, 12:44 AM

I liked how Marchant played, looks like a solid, but overpaid player.

Randall Graves*

11-23-2005, 12:47 AM

How about Brennan? I doubt Burke wants to play any games without an enforcer. I'd bet on Brennan being recalled. And then when he is sent back down he won't have to clear waivers.
Brennan has been pretty worthless, it depends how long Fedoruk is out. We need more skill so Getzlaf and Konopka come to mind.

McDonald19

11-23-2005, 12:54 AM

Brennan has been pretty worthless, it depends how long Fedoruk is out. We need more skill so Getzlaf and Konopka come to mind.

Burke is the type of guy who after watching a game like this will recall an enforcer rather than a skill player.

Professor John Frink

11-23-2005, 12:54 AM

Romniel

11-23-2005, 01:00 AM

Wow we won.....gj....i like how marchant played, he'll do really well in the long run

D98

11-23-2005, 01:02 AM

But still we continue our " 2 goals per game" streak :dunno:

Randall Graves*

11-23-2005, 01:03 AM

Pretty sure Ozolinsh was re-injured.

It looked to me as though Lupul was spaced out, not favoring the shoulder at all.
It looked like he was going to cry, it appeared like the trainer was grabbing his shoulder, it could have easily been a knee or ankle injury I suppose.

I honestly thought Ozolinsh was benched, he wasn't back in the lockerroom.

Chistov23

11-23-2005, 01:11 AM

It looked like he was going to cry, it appeared like the trainer was grabbing his shoulder, it could have easily been a knee or ankle injury I suppose.

I honestly thought Ozolinsh was benched, he wasn't back in the lockerroom.
Yea I think I saw Ozo on the bench as well, I think he came back from his rib injury to fast and maybe it was a combination of both which led to him sitting.

Lupul did look like he was going to cry, and then when he got up to walk away he looked like he had a concussion. Whatever it is, I doubt we see him soon.

Jerky Leclerc

11-23-2005, 01:13 AM

At least Lupul made it back to the bench on his own. Nedved is still somewhere over the rainbow.

Reaper45

11-23-2005, 01:16 AM

And people questioned Avery when he called Gauthier cheap.

MightyMatt

11-23-2005, 01:19 AM

is everyone making assumptions on Fedoruk being suspended or did i miss something :shakehead

Burke's Evil Spirit

11-23-2005, 01:20 AM

And now Anaheim will have Kip Brennan back!

Man, I wish that obsessive fight fan who used to post here still did...he'd really, really love Anaheim this year...

Randall Graves*

11-23-2005, 01:20 AM

And people questioned Avery when he called Gauthier cheap.
I think it was more the whole french/visor thing than that...I think many would agree Gauthier is a dirty player.

Randall Graves*

11-23-2005, 01:21 AM

And now Anaheim will have Kip Brennan back!

Man, I wish that obsessive fight fan who used to post here still did...he'd really, really love Anaheim this year...
Dirks still here!

Bobby Ryan Getzlaf

11-23-2005, 01:35 AM

Nice going Marchant to get an assist in your first game as a Duck. He's already replaced Fedorov's total production for us this season in his first game. Also congrats to Tyler Wright for his first goal of the season.

Spankatola Jamnuts

11-23-2005, 01:41 AM

That was a good game. They were scared and awful at the end, but you have to expect that after losing so much. Lupul I think was blinking to clear his head, not holding back tears. His head took a good jolt.

I liked Fedoruk's idea but not the execution. What the hell did Nedved ever do to anybody? He didn't deserve that and it didn't stop the crap from Phoenix, only made it worse. There's no need to aim high and leave your feet when you already have a guy dead to rights. He could have crushed Nedved legally and spared everyone a bunch of crap. Bush league by both Fedoruk and Gauthier.

Losing Lupul hurts, losing Fedoruk hurts.....still shopping, Burke? You're running out of warm bodies.

Boomhower

11-23-2005, 02:59 AM

I just checked the boxscore...congratulations Shane Doan you will be the first player suspensed under the new instigator in the final 5 minutes rule:

PHX, S. DOAN, 20:00 - Game misconduct
PHX, S. DOAN, 20:00 - Misconduct (10 min)
PHX, S. DOAN, 20:00 - Fighting (maj)
PHX, S. DOAN, 20:00 - Instigator

I think there has to be a three goal spead in the score and final 5 minutes of the game for an automatic suspension to take effect.

Edit: sorry, spread of score isn't mentioned in the NHL rule, so suspension it is.

lux_interior

11-23-2005, 03:07 AM

And now Anaheim will have Kip Brennan back!

Man, I wish that obsessive fight fan who used to post here still did...he'd really, really love Anaheim this year...
That would be Arankys? Whatever happened to him? Banned?

McDonald19

11-23-2005, 03:09 AM

Fedoruk didn't record a point in the long-awaited victory, but he was involved in the game's most talked-about play. The rugged left winger was given a match penalty midway through the third period of Anaheim's 2-1 victory over Phoenix on Tuesday night when he left his skates to hit the Coyotes' Petr Nedved with a flying elbow.

The shot appeared to be in retaliation for a hit moments earlier by Phoenix defenceman Denis Gauthier against Joffrey Lupul.

"It was something that had to be addressed," Fedoruk said. "I'm not naming names but you have a guy out there with a visor on running around like he's King Kong. He's not going to back it up. If the refs aren't going to call it, then it falls on the players to take it on. There were so many high hits and late hits."

Lupul didn't return after he was struck but he could be back in the lineup as early as Wednesday at Dallas.

Nedved, who skated gingerly off the ice with the help of two teammates, left the game with a concussion. He will be re-evaluated Wednesday.

"You never want to see anybody get hurt," Fedoruk said. "But I'm an emotional player. When I see one of my teammates get hurt, I'm going to send a message that we're not going to stand for it."

Emotions continued to run high throughout the game. Coyotes captain Shane Doan hit Vitaly Vishnevski behind the Anaheim net as the final horn sounded, earning a belated 27 minutes in penalties.

"First of all, it was definitely a match penalty," Coyotes coach Wayne Gretzky said of Fedoruk's hit. "The guy jumped eight feet in the air. But we'll leave that to the National Hockey League to rectify."

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=144167&hubname=nhl

lux_interior

11-23-2005, 03:10 AM

Good game by the Ducks. Even though I watched from 6 minutes left in the 1st, and I can't say the Ducks generated much in the form of offense from that point on.

I thought the Fedoruk hit was a good play, up until he got the 5 minute major. That almost killed us. Thank God his mates bailed him out and killed off the major.

The Doan cheap shot was cheap, but I'm sure Vish got his number.

Bryz was good.

I really noticed how well S. Nieds is playing. Hope Lupul's injury isn't serious.

Salei still gets burned often, and takes a penalty to cover it up, nearly every time.

lux_interior

11-23-2005, 03:12 AM

"First of all, it was definitely a match penalty," Coyotes coach Wayne Gretzky said of Fedoruk's hit. "The guy jumped eight feet in the air. But we'll leave that to the National Hockey League to rectify."

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=144167&hubname=nhl
Gretzky always was a *****.

Duckstudd269

11-23-2005, 03:13 AM

what were the lines?

McDonald19

11-23-2005, 03:19 AM

what were the lines?

I have no idea...Carlyle kept switching everyone around...and then with the injuries it got all screwed up. Marshall was on fourth line wing but he ended up on Defense when Ozolinsh left.

Kingme00

11-23-2005, 03:25 AM

The Doan cheap shot was cheap, but I'm sure Vish got his number.

No offense, but what exactly is Vishnevski going to do to Doan?

Randall Graves*

11-23-2005, 03:29 AM

Gretzky always was a *****.
Gretzky is one of the biggest whiners of all time, he's probably just sticking up for his team.

I agree with you about Fedoruk, the intention was right on. He went about it the wrong way, but twice on the shift before that, Lupul AND Kunitz were both cheap shotted. If theres one thing I like about this team is they are sticking up for each other, and what I like most is the captain, Niedermayer get's right in the middle of things when **** happens.

190Octane

11-23-2005, 03:30 AM

No offense, but what exactly is Vishnevski going to do to Doan?

Knock him on his ***.

I think Fedoruk might have something to do to him.. or maybe he'll take Nedved out again.

Spankatola Jamnuts

11-23-2005, 03:33 AM

Gretzky is one of the biggest whiners of all time, he's probably just sticking up for his team.

I agree with you about Fedoruk, the intention was right on. He went about it the wrong way, but twice on the shift before that, Lupul AND Kunitz were both cheap shotted. If theres one thing I like about this team is they are sticking up for each other, and what I like most is the captain, Niedermayer get's right in the middle of things when **** happens.
Yeah, we haven't seen solidarity like this since the big Dallas brawl.

danaluvsthekings

11-23-2005, 03:37 AM

I think it was more the whole french/visor thing than that...I think many would agree Gauthier is a dirty player.

Well Fedoruk also made the visor comment, although without the ethnocentric slant.

Dirk316

11-23-2005, 03:38 AM

I really like what Fedoruk did but he does not deserve a suspension. Also Brennan and Penner should be called up imo.

Randall Graves*

11-23-2005, 03:54 AM

Well Fedoruk also made the visor comment, although without the ethnocentric slant.
Thats the difference, he chose his words more carefully.

McDonald19

11-23-2005, 04:06 AM

No offense, but what exactly is Vishnevski going to do to Doan?

look for him with his head down and hit him like a freight-train.

McDonald19

11-23-2005, 04:10 AM

Ozolinsh was benched:

Defenseman Sandis Ozolinsh was benched in the third period against Phoenix and played only 6 minutes, 36 seconds. "It was coach's decision," Carlyle said. Forward Petr Sykora was scratched because of a groin injury.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ducks/la-sp-ducks23nov23,1,5061485.story?coll=la-headlines-sports&ctrack=1&cset=true

Randall Graves*

11-23-2005, 04:39 AM

Lyons71

11-23-2005, 04:42 AM

I don't see how Fedoruk can be suspended. It was charging. He didn't use his elbows... It wasn't interference either... :dunno: If it were my league, hits to the head with any part of the body would be illegal and he would be suspended for intent to injure, but i'm just not sure of what the current rules will get him for...

Gauthier on the other hand caught lupul with an elbow and most likely will be suspended.

It sure is confusing as all hell when the refs a game ago call everything and then in this game let so much go...

I like how after barely losing 8 games, they barely win one...

Dirty play by Doan. He had no reason to start punching Vish, but whatever... Lost my respect on that play.

Pepper

11-23-2005, 04:45 AM

I love it, this has been the biggest "standing up for a teammate" in a long time.

Fedoruk now put himself on a list including the following classics:

-Dave Karpa fighting Craig Ludwig first on the ice and then on hallway for elbowing Selänne

-Brent Severyn kicking the living **** out of Darryl Sydor in retaliation for Ludwig's elbow against Selänne

-Stu Grimson hunting down Dave Roche after he slashed Selänne's injured wrist

-McKenzie for beating up some anonymous Kings player who took a cheap shot at Kariya.

All hail Fedoruk!

cheesymc

11-23-2005, 04:50 AM

I actually didnt watch the game on purpose hoping that it could change the slump around, and I'm happy that the ducks finally won.

I saw those cheap shots from Gauthier and Fedoruk. Gauthier has ALWAYS been a dirty player. He reminds me more of a Marchment/Niemenin type player in that he goes for knees and actually tries to injure the player, and that he avoids fights unless he knows he can win or if he can get the jump on the guy. Most of his fights are against much smaller players and he uses his visor to protect himself from real fighters. I think you download his fights, alot of them are him jumping a guy when the opponent is not really giving his full attention.

As for Doan, that guy has always been a sore loser, so you shouldnt be surprised from his actions. I think every year when the ducks beat them, he would jump a duck player (i think Vitaly or Salei 2 yrs ago) in the waning minutes of the game since it didnt matter anymore. I like no instigator rule in the last 6 minutes, i think it can really work to keep things in order and focused on the score and not just cheap shots (ie. in the last season Calgary punked Nashville when they knew they were gonna lose).

Fedoruk - Ya, Nedved didnt deserve the hit, but I have to be a homer here. What else says you cant try to injure my teammate long term by going for their best player. I just wished it happened to Doan instead. At least the Ducks will have another major rivalry other than a hot Kings team.

11-23-2005, 05:02 AM

lux_interior

11-23-2005, 05:18 AM

look for him with his head down and hit him like a freight-train.
Ding!

He's going to get him in the train tracks.

Lyons71

11-23-2005, 05:18 AM

lux_interior

11-23-2005, 05:31 AM

I've still never seen that.

BADger

11-23-2005, 06:13 AM

How anyone hasnt mentioned Selanne? After watching the higlights of the game it seemed like he was on fire all game long...

Pepper

11-23-2005, 07:07 AM

Funny, I don't recall Petr Nedved cheapshotting anyone. Nevermind, please continue your applause for intent to injure...

:shakehead

You can thank that ***** Gauthier, maybe if he fought his own battles but when you have no balls...

Pepper

11-23-2005, 07:08 AM

What about Sawyer running the flames goalie a few seasons ago after Giguere was run? Does that count?

Indeed it does!

McDonald19

11-23-2005, 08:13 AM

Funny, I don't recall Petr Nedved cheapshotting anyone. Nevermind, please continue your applause for intent to injure...

:shakehead

Nedved can thank Gauthier for putting him in that situation.

McDonald19

11-23-2005, 08:15 AM

I've still never seen that.

It's out there somewhere....try going to: http://www.hockeyfights.com/forums/ and go to the posted video clips section and request Calgary/Anaheim brawl.

McDonald19

11-23-2005, 08:29 AM

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/abox/article_852641.php

"In my eyes, it's an eye for an eye. I don't ever want to see anybody get hurt, but when my players get hurt, I feel obliged to send a message that I'm not going to let this happen. I think Nedved can thank his teammate for what happened."

:yo:

BowDown2Chistov

11-23-2005, 08:36 AM

Yeah, we haven't seen solidarity like this since the big Dallas brawl.

are you talking about the game where all we had left was about one line and shtelankov on the bench, man I remember watching that game, what year was that 97-98?

McDonald19

11-23-2005, 08:47 AM

are you talking about the game where all we had left was about one line and shtelankov on the bench, man I remember watching that game, what year was that 97-98?

yup. 97-98. That was a long season. Kariya had the contract hold-out and then he gets crosschecked by Suter a month or two after coming back. Selanne is having a great season with almost no help and in a game that Dallas is winning by 4 or 5 goals Ludwig decides to jump and throw an elbow to Teemu's head for some reason.

Nordique

11-23-2005, 11:16 AM

Snap Wilson

11-23-2005, 11:22 AM

mmbt

11-23-2005, 11:36 AM

kenabnrmal

11-23-2005, 11:43 AM

I'm probably a minority of one but I don't think the Gauthier hit was that bad. It was nasty and unfortunate for Loops, but I don't think he did anything intentionally dirty, and I'm with Booger. Retaliating against Nedved was low class. That isn't my kind of hockey.

On the bright side, Marchant looked great. Loved seeing him yapping at his teammates on the bench in only his first game here.

A gutty win with so many people out at the end of the game, but not a particularly convincing one. We still stink.

I'm along your lines. I think Gauthier's hit on Marchant was worse, to be honest. Fedoruk deserves a suspension, but I am glad we have a guy on the team that is capable of responding.

As for Doan, I guess most of us Ducks fans missed Vish hacking Doan's ankle right before he got punched. Doan's an intense guy, and he deserved the penalties and suspension he's going to get, but it wasn't near as bad as the board is making it seem. He's far from a "cheap-shot artist", and I'd give my left nut to have him on the Ducks. Vish was far from innocent, but aside from that, he's been playing great.

It was a gutsy win, but I do think it's a good sign. This is the sort of win that can galvanize a squad. Great games from Selanne and Marchant, and Niedermayer keeps looking better and better. Bryz played well and came up big in the end. The biggest thing is that this is the type of game the Ducks have been losing of late. I guess we'll see tonight if it's a step forward for the club.

Fan.At

11-23-2005, 11:51 AM

I'd give my left nut to have him on the Ducks.
I like Doan too, but :eek:

Nordique

11-23-2005, 12:14 PM

He was going to nail the first red jersey he had a good crack at. It's not exactly a glorious moment, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

No you don't have to do that. That is classless. Fedoruk is better than that. At least Bertuzzi went after the right guy.

Snap Wilson

11-23-2005, 12:14 PM

I remember Tony LaRussa talking about when his star players get thrown at, he's not going to retaliate by having his pitcher throw at a scrub, he's going to have him throw at an equivalent opposition star.
I think that's pretty bush league as well, actually. I'm one of the many Cards fans who can't stand LaRussa.

I like Doan too, but :eek:
No, it's perfectly reasonable. I'd give Ken's left nut for Doan, too. :)

Hank

11-23-2005, 12:22 PM

Funny, I don't recall Petr Nedved cheapshotting anyone.

The Times didn't run the entire quote like the Register did...

"It was something that had to be addressed," Fedoruk said. "There was a guy out there with a visor on running around like he's King Kong. He's not going to back it up. If the refs aren't going to call stuff like that, it falls on the players. You can only take so much, watching your teammates get late hits, high hits.

"In my eyes, it's an eye for an eye. I don't ever want to see anybody get hurt, but when my players get hurt, I feel obliged to send a message that I'm not going to let this happen. I think Nedved can thank his teammate for what happened."
--

Fedoruk did exactly what was needed.

NewBreed19

11-23-2005, 12:32 PM

If Fedoruk wanted to protect his player who was hit clean, I might add, why didn't he go after the right man? He is a piece of **** hockey player who deserves to be suspended after jumping high off the ice and taking out a skilled player for revenge on a player who was hit clean. Fedoruk is a coward ! He can't even go after the guy who hit his team mate, because he knows he would have got his *** kicked!!

Fedoruk is a coward!!!!!!!!!!

Kevin Forbes

11-23-2005, 12:41 PM

Professor John Frink

11-23-2005, 01:02 PM

No you don't have to do that. That is classless. Fedoruk is better than that. At least Bertuzzi went after the right guy.

Yeah and then Bertuzzi pounded the guy in the back of the head and smashed his face into the ice.

You just lost the little credibility you had here with that statement.

Thanks for playing..

Hockeyfan02

11-23-2005, 01:14 PM

Funny, I don't recall Petr Nedved cheapshotting anyone. Nevermind, please continue your applause for intent to injure...

:shakehead

I don't recall Lupul cheapshotting anyone either, but he got an elbow to the face...yet for others coming here and bashing Fedoruk that seems to be left out.

I don't like the crap that went on last night, but when guys on our team are being hit high all night something is going to happen. Fedoruk saw two players get hit high on the same shift, he was looking to get someone and Nedved was the first guy in his sights. Unfortunate for Nedved, he didn't deserve that, but if his teammates don't want that to happen they shouldn't begin the cheapshotting in the first place.

Snap Wilson

11-23-2005, 01:15 PM

what hurts the Ducks more? Losing Lupul or losing Fedoruk?
what hurts the Yotes more? Losing Nedved or losing Gauthier?
Using this logic, why don't we pay someone to kill Marty Turco before tonight's game? That way we won't lose any players. That's advantageous, right?

Where does the line of implied morality begin, anyway? That it's okay to do something to any player on the other team if they did it to you? If the position was reversed (Fedoruk ran Nedved and then Gauthier took out Lupul) everyone here would be livid, and rightly so.

NewBreed19

11-23-2005, 01:17 PM

what hurts the Ducks more? Losing Lupul or losing Fedoruk?
what hurts the Yotes more? Losing Nedved or losing Gauthier?
Your point isn't taken! It's not about who means more to their team, it's about taking out the wrong player! Nedved had nothing to do with Lupals hit, which was clean but Fedoruk's was a cheap shot hit on a star player. I hope he gets a big suspension and a fine.

Kevin Forbes

11-23-2005, 01:23 PM

hey I don't support what happened. I don't like to see things get out of hand on the ice and players getting injured suck, no matter what's on the front of their sweater.
However, I was simply passing along my opinion on what was going through Fedoruk's head. His quotes back it up. If the Yotes were going to take out a top six forward for the Ducks, then he was going to make sure the Ducks were going to take out a top six forward for the Yotes.
Is it right? No, that's why Fedoruk's facing suspension. But one thing follows another. Action-reaction.

stanley

11-23-2005, 01:32 PM

The Times didn't run the entire quote like the Register did...

"It was something that had to be addressed," Fedoruk said. "There was a guy out there with a visor on running around like he's King Kong. He's not going to back it up. If the refs aren't going to call stuff like that, it falls on the players. You can only take so much, watching your teammates get late hits, high hits.

"In my eyes, it's an eye for an eye. I don't ever want to see anybody get hurt, but when my players get hurt, I feel obliged to send a message that I'm not going to let this happen. I think Nedved can thank his teammate for what happened."
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Fedoruk did exactly what was needed.
Hank,
I guess you'd have no problem with me kicking your dog when your leaves blow over on my lawn. Now I don't think you'd be in agreement with that, but I only wrote it to express my befuddlement at this rationale. Maybe, like Todd, some Duck fans are too close to the situation. I just know of no circumstance in which one honorably defends the actions of an opposing player by doing something more dishonorable.

Being Todd is a former Flyer, I'm quite fond of the guy. However, his lack of comprehension of the situation as a whole supports the idea that hockey players should really be required to go to college (or at least show up for the first day of classes like Roenick did at BU). When I view the circumstances of what happened without consideration for the names on the back of each sweater, Fedoruk comes out smelling a little rotten on this one, and any benefit of a doubt he would have received from the ambiguity inherent with only watching the events and not knowing what really happened to lead to something on the ice went up like a fart in the wind with his comments quoted above. I also don't think it was that strategically smart to go after a non-fighter like Nedved, since it only serves to give ammunition to the Coyotes, but like I wrote, that's a debate of strategy which is a horse of a different color.

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Professor,
I think you might have misinterpreted Nordique's comments. I understand the theme of the post you hold in question to mean that Bertuzzi exacted his retribution at the player who caused his teammate's misfortune, and not an opposing player not associated with the injury to Naslund. I think it's a little tiny bit of a stretch to suggest that Nordique or anybody else view justice in what happened to Moore. Absent the outcome of that event, we frequently cheer or at least hold in somewhat high esteeem players who seek revenge against those who they feel have done them wrong. Let's keep the outcome separate from the apparent intent.

Edit: I think I should explain that I don't think what Fedoruk did is the "most dishonorable" thing one could have done. Shooting a Yote fan in the stands with a .45 he brandished from his pants would probably have been worse. Besides, "honor" is simply convenient rhetoric to discredit his actions. In his defense, it sure didn't seem as though he meditated on it. That doesn't make it right, but it might help him when the suspension comes down.

Second edit: After looking at it through Lanks's link (say that five times fast), I'm changing my opinion on Fedoruk's thought that went into the hit. I thought that his hit on Nedved occurred immediately (not a few minutes) after the Gauthier hit on Lupul. He had plenty of time to think about what he was going to do. That, coupled with his unapologetic comments and lack of respect for a fellow player who had nothing to do with the Lupul injury are the seedy underbelly of this game. The main difference between this and the Moore situation is the outcome. I think his actions are even less justified now. If he was going to intentionally set out to injure somebody - and let's not kid ourselves, he had Nedved lined up with the intention of injuring him, or in other words, have complete disregard at that moment for the safety of the player his was running into - he should have just done whatever he had to with Gauthier. If he wanted to send a message to Gauthier, he should have run Gauthier with the same zeal he did Nedved. If he wanted to lay a beating on an unrelated player, then he should have done it legally. I believe that checking the heck out of skill players on the opposition is the best use of someone like Fedoruk, and a great strategy. It was a borderline dirty play by Fedoruk that was made infinitely worse by his ignorant "Nedved can thank his teammate for what happened" comment, and it's too bad he views himself as some sort of hero for the way he handled it. Regardless of whether or not Gauthier showed any similar respect for Lupul, I can't say because I couldn't really tell from the replays, but that doesn't justify how Todd handled it. The comment really seals the deal for him in my opinion.

Pepper

11-23-2005, 01:33 PM

Desert *****es had it coming - And I just love it!

Professor John Frink

11-23-2005, 01:37 PM

Hank,

Professor,
I think you might have misinterpreted Nordique's comments. I understand the theme of the post you hold in question to mean that Bertuzzi exacted his retribution at the player who caused his teammate's misfortune, and not an opposing player not associated with the injury to Naslund. I think it's a little tiny bit of a stretch to suggest that Nordique or anybody else view justice in what happened to Moore. Absent the outcome of that event, we frequently cheer or at least hold in somewhat high esteeem players who seek revenge against those who they feel have done them wrong. Let's keep the outcome separate from the apparent intent.

I appreciate it Stanley, I hope that is the case, but until he says that himself I am deeming him a complete ***.

stanley

11-23-2005, 01:44 PM

I appreciate it Stanley, I hope that is the case, but until he says that himself I am deeming him a complete ***.
Right back at you, Prof. I don't know what kind of history you guys have; I'm just giving you my objective opinion based on the last few posts. Because when it comes down to it, I'm really a lover.

Vote for Rory

11-23-2005, 01:48 PM

Fan.At

11-23-2005, 02:14 PM

No, it's perfectly reasonable. I'd give Ken's left nut for Doan, too. :)
lol, good point of view :biglaugh:

kenabnrmal

11-23-2005, 02:44 PM

No, it's perfectly reasonable. I'd give Ken's left nut for Doan, too. :)

...taking one for the team, just not two...

Chistov23

11-23-2005, 03:03 PM

What is interesting is that Phoenix is at the Pond a week from tonight. Hopefully Fedoruk's suspension is only 3 games, thus his first game back would be against Pho.

After that there is only 2 games left between the 2 teams, a home and home in March.

Chistov23

11-23-2005, 03:10 PM

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=144237&hubname=nhl

Apparently no fine or suspension to Gretzky and Doan.

D98

11-23-2005, 03:20 PM

what hurts the Ducks more? Losing Lupul or losing Fedoruk?
what hurts the Yotes more? Losing Nedved or losing Gauthier?

Right Kevin. PHX are a ****** cowards . Ducks are right now in a bad situation.Problems with lines and scoring and PHX wants to make it complete by ending Lupuls season. I think Fedoruks send message to all team not to one player.

Go Todd :yo:

NewBreed19

11-23-2005, 03:31 PM

Right Kevin. PHX are a ****** cowards . Ducks are right now in a bad situation.Problems with lines and scoring and PHX wants to make it complete by ending Lupuls season. I think Fedoruks send message to all team not to one player.

Go Todd :yo:
I disagree that phx wanted to end Lupuls season . How can you make such a stupid comment? Yes! Maybe Gauthier shouldn't have checked Lupul, but welcome to the N.H.L ! Maybe we should take away the hitting from the game also? Atleast Gauthier didn't have to jump eight feet in the air and come off the ice to make his check on Lupul. Fedoruk is cheap and he sucks . The ducks are ****ing cowards .

D98

11-23-2005, 03:40 PM

It was so clean hit that Lupul was in shock 10 minutes after that. Hahaa And we are team who is playing dirty and get 20 PIMs avg in game ??

arinkrat*

11-23-2005, 03:40 PM

I disagree that phx wanted to end Lupuls season . How can you make such a stupid comment? Yes! Maybe Gauthier shouldn't have checked Lupul, but welcome to the N.H.L ! Maybe we should take away the hitting from the game also? Atleast Gauthier didn't have to jump eight feet in the air and come off the ice to make his check on Lupul. Fedoruk is cheap and he sucks . The ducks are ****ing cowards .

Wow, even Gretzky's hyperbole is golden. I didn't know Fedoruk is a near-elite level high jumper. If he jumped eight feet in the air, he would have jumped clear over Neved.

Gauthier didn't have to jump at all. All he had to do was get his elbow up on Lupul, which he did. Both were dirty. Gauthier, or Gretzky, just don't own up to Phoenix's dirtiness (the Lupul hit, the Marchant hit, the Kunitz hit by Johnson). Gauthier is dirty, that's pretty well acknowledged in the league except by some homers and the Coyotes coach.

Pepper

11-23-2005, 04:29 PM

XavierX

11-23-2005, 04:38 PM

Gauthier didn't have to jump at all. All he had to do was get his elbow up on Lupul, which he did. Both were dirty. Gauthier, or Gretzky, just don't own up to Phoenix's dirtiness (the Lupul hit, the Marchant hit, the Kunitz hit by Johnson). Gauthier is dirty, that's pretty well acknowledged in the league except by some homers and the Coyotes coach.

You had some credibility till you called the Johnson hit dirty. :biglaugh: You guys are lucky that Lupul doesnt go flying headfirst into the boards and gets a concussion and thus ending his career ala Kolanos. Gauthier bowled him over, nothing more. Westcott did the same thing to Saprykin.

arinkrat*

11-23-2005, 04:43 PM

You had some credibility till you called the Johnson hit dirty. :biglaugh: You guys are lucky that Lupul doesnt go flying headfirst into the boards and gets a concussion and thus ending his career ala Kolanos. Gauthier bowled him over, nothing more. Westcott did the same thing to Saprykin.

And where do you get your credibility? Gauthier has a proven track record for being dirty and being a coward.

Kevin Forbes

11-23-2005, 04:46 PM

And where do you get your credibility?

Credibility Store
corner of Fifth and Water

they have a sale on Integrity this week

XavierX

11-23-2005, 04:54 PM

And where do you get your credibility? Gauthier has a proven track record for being dirty and being a coward.

I was giving you CREDIT for a well put together arguement, but then you said Johnson's hit was dirty thus throwing it out the window. I guess thats too advanced a concept for you to fully understand. However, I also didnt say that Gauthier wasnt dirty now did I? Blame the refs for not calling it. (Lupul hit)

D98

11-23-2005, 05:01 PM

Blame the refs for not calling it. (Lupul hit)

We get 2 minutes but lose our first line winger ?? If Gauthier wants to make these kind of hits then he should choose another sport ... Thai boxing or smth.

arinkrat*

11-23-2005, 05:03 PM

Kick Save

11-23-2005, 05:04 PM

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=144237&hubname=nhl

Apparently no fine or suspension to Gretzky and Doan.

The article you cited makes absolutely no sense. It says that the new rule calls for an "automatic" $10k fine for the coach and an "automatic" 1-game suspension for the player involved. Later it says that Colin Campbell crafted the rule and lobbied for it, but he wants to review each incident on a case-by-case basis. Sorry, but then it can't be designated as an "automatic" fine/suspension.

Kick Save

11-23-2005, 05:07 PM

Ok so Doan got away with absolutely no penalty for suckerpunching, I suggest we put one of our regulars (R Niedermayer for example) on the ice at the last minute, get a scrum and suckerpunch Zubov for example. Oh I forgot, we don't have Gretzky (who was coached by Campbell in NY) as coach so we wouldn't escape without a stiff suspension & fine.

You and I often butt heads on this board, but I couldn't agree with you more on this one. What happened to the "automatic" fine ($10k) and the "automatic" one-game suspension?

McDonald19

11-23-2005, 05:13 PM

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=144237&hubname=nhl

Apparently no fine or suspension to Gretzky and Doan.

The spirit of the rule was to get rid of coaches putting out their tough guys with a minute left in the game to settle a score.

In this case, Doan is the captain and top player on the Coyotes, not a goon, so Campbell decided not to fine Gretzky and not to suspend Doan.

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So if we ever want to get back at anyone in the final minute of a game it's ok if it's the Niedermayer brothers jump a player since they are captains. They will not be suspended.

Campbell is an idiot. Making rules and then changing them as it goes along.

McDonald19

11-23-2005, 05:15 PM

XavierX

11-23-2005, 05:16 PM

I know it wasnt' technically a penalty (no elbows), but it looked to me like Johnson was extending his arm toward Kunitz' head. Hard hits are one thing, but I think going for someone's head is dirty.

And saying Gauthier "bowled him over (Lupul), nothing more," seems to imply that there was nothing wrong with what Gauthier did.

Gauthier wasnt head hunting
It wasnt his elbow that caused the concussion
YES, Gautheir put some extra love into that hit.
But! :teach: the refs saw it, and called it clean.

And to flip someones stupid arguement around, if Lupul doesnt want to get hit maybe he should try figure skating. :shakehead:

McDonald19

11-23-2005, 05:21 PM

arinkrat*

11-23-2005, 05:26 PM

Gauthier wasnt head hunting
It wasnt his elbow that caused the concussion
YES, Gautheir put some extra love into that hit.
But! :teach: the refs saw it, and called it clean.

And to flip someones stupid arguement around, if Lupul doesnt want to get hit maybe he should try figure skating. :shakehead:

So all hits are the same? Riiiiighhhht.

And because the refs didn't call it it didn't happen? There have been plenty of hits that have been reviewed after the fact and subsequent suspensions levied against the player making the hit (see Gary Suter's hit to the back of Paul Kariya's head). According to the TSN.ca article it is not clear whether or not the NHL office will review the Gauthier hit. So it is possible they will review it and he may get a suspension. But of course since the refs didn't call it, it must be clean.

If the refs had been doing their jobs, Fedoruk wouldn't have felt the need to take things into his own hands. Unfortunately he went after the first Coyote in his sights, which happened to be Nedved.

Randall Graves*

11-23-2005, 05:27 PM

Funny, I don't recall Petr Nedved cheapshotting anyone. Nevermind, please continue your applause for intent to injure...

:shakehead
Blame Gauthier.

Randall Graves*

11-23-2005, 05:38 PM

wow, just saw clip a of the hits and I gota say, Fedoruk is the man. Gauthier is a pu**y peice of crap as far as im concered Phoenix had it comming. Yes it may have been a little classes to go after anybody other than Gauthier, but Gauthier does it EVERY night. He is, IMO, the dirtiest player in the NHL. He doesn't just use his elbow as a weapon, he uses his knee as well (Sami Salo last season). Gauthier didn't get called for anything while Fedoruk is going to get suspended? thats crap, the NHL better do the right thing and suspended Gauthier also, he needs to be shown that these huge elbow hits aren't right. Maybe he needs one to be shown how it feels.

edit - btw, this was posted on the oilers board, not sure if its posted here yet but the hits are on http://www.hockeyfights.com/videos/ (Fedoruk vs O'Donnell)
You are right, Gauthier does it everynight, and this time his antics led to someone getting hurt.

and before yotes' fans jump on me...yes Fedoruk should be suspended, yes it was a dirty hit, BUT if the hit on Lupul had been called as a penalty it would have never led to that. But everything was being let go, Todd made a mistake hitting Nedved up high.