Ok NOW I have to question Burke

Dumping Fedorov and releasing us from the 6 million we were stuck weith hurt us in the short run but really freed us to do a lot over the next few seasons. With Burke nowing picking up Marchant @ 2.5 million for essentially 4 seasons seems to have made this a lateral move leaving us with less skill.

Again I am trying to be patient with him and the coaching staff but these recent moves seemed to only make us worse, meanwhile handcuffing us pretty much as equally as before.

yep, that's the first move by burke that I REALLY dislike...zero sense in this one...

The move does free up like 3.5 million. I assume Tyler Wright and the other guy will probably be shipped to the minors.

Although it doesn't look as good a move as it was 24 hours ago, it still gives the Ducks some freedom for the next few years when signing players.

If it's true that we're picking up the full 2,5m, it's even worse than all the other bonehead moves he has done.. I'd rather have Rucchin still here instead of Marchant. He'd be slightly cheaper and the heart of the team. Would have been better to buy out Fedorov and keep Rucchin around..

If it's true that we're picking up the full 2,5m, it's even worse than all the other bonehead moves he has done.. I'd rather have Rucchin still here instead of Marchant. He'd be slightly cheaper and the heart of the team. Would have been better to buy out Fedorov and keep Rucchin around..

Buying out Fedorov would have cost 12M bucks. So that was NOT an option.

The move does free up like 3.5 million. I assume Tyler Wright and the other guy will probably be shipped to the minors.

Although it doesn't look as good a move as it was 24 hours ago, it still gives the Ducks some freedom for the next few years when signing players.

I doubt that Tyler Wright gets "shipped to the minors". I think that Burke has at least a couple more moves up his sleeves.

I'm sure that in the wake of the Todd Marchant claim, "Burke is an idiot" messages will be the post du jour (if not the post du mois). While I can't say claiming Marchant off waivers sets my heart racing, I'm not sure that adding Marchant, Wright, Beauchemin and about $2 mil/season and subtracting Fedorov doesn't make the Ducks a better team than they were a week ago.

More importantly, it's highly unlikely that Burke is done dealing. Unless there was a personnel move in the last couple of hours that I missed, the Ducks are still carrying 8 d-men. Why did they keep Beauchemin on the roster? Isn't it fairly obvious that at least one of our d-men will be move? Probably happen within the next few days or so.

Burke tore up the roster in Vancouver. Looks like he may do the same here. But the bottom line is that Vancouver is a much better team today than they were before Burke arrived.

Burke's got a law degree from Harvard. He may not be the most-diplomatic guy in the world. He may be willing to butt heads with players, coaches and the local media. But if there's one thing his is not---it's stupid. This guy can run circles around all of his NHL peers as well as all the self-appointed experts on the HF Boards.

I'm willing to give Burke at least two years to put "his" team on the ice. Let's see what this team looks like---and plays like---a couple of months from now before we go off the deep end.

I wouldn't exactly classify Burke's moves in Vancouver as "tearing up." If anything, he patched things back together after Keenan had torn them up.

I won't call Burke an idiot, but he seems to be wrestling with that danged salary cap like Steve Irwin with one of his reptiliant friends...and he's losing.

I'm sure that in the wake of the Todd Marchant claim, "Burke is an idiot" messages will be the post du jour (if not the post du mois). While I can't say claiming Marchant off waivers sets my heart racing, I'm not sure that adding Marchant, Wright, Beauchemin and about $2 mil/season and subtracting Fedorov doesn't make the Ducks a better team than they were a week ago.

More importantly, it's highly unlikely that Burke is done dealing. Unless there was a personnel move in the last couple of hours that I missed, the Ducks are still carrying 8 d-men. Why did they keep Beauchemin on the roster? Isn't it fairly obvious that at least one of our d-men will be move? Probably happen within the next few days or so.

Burke tore up the roster in Vancouver. Looks like he may do the same here. But the bottom line is that Vancouver is a much better team today than they were before Burke arrived.

Burke's got a law degree from Harvard. He may not be the most-diplomatic guy in the world. He may be willing to butt heads with players, coaches and the local media. But if there's one thing his is not---it's stupid. This guy can run circles around all of his NHL peers as well as all the self-appointed experts on the HF Boards.

I'm willing to give Burke at least two years to put "his" team on the ice. Let's see what this team looks like---and plays like---a couple of months from now before we go off the deep end.

I don't think anyone has be out of control. We just don't like the move. Being on the hook for Marchants 2.5 million for essentially 4 seasons makes this more of a lateral move than anything IMO. I can't assume because we have 8 d-men a trade is coming.

And all the Harvard degree crap has nothing to do with hockey. It means the guy can read books and do homework.

I just don't like the move, I think that money would be better spent even if we waited until the offseason to do something rather than be on the hook for 2.5 mil for 4 more seasons.

I don't think anyone has be out of control. We just don't like the move. Being on the hook for Marchants 2.5 million for essentially 4 seasons makes this more of a lateral move than anything IMO. I can't assume because we have 8 d-men a trade is coming.

And all the Harvard degree crap has nothing to do with hockey. It means the guy can read books and do homework.

I just don't like the move, I think that money would be better spent even if we waited until the offseason to do something rather than be on the hook for 2.5 mil for 4 more seasons.

I respect your opinion. I'm sure it's a more popular view than mine right now. The "Harvard degree crap", as you so eloquently put it, doesn't make him a great GM. However, it does belie the notion that he's an "idiot".

I just think that there are more deals coming. And, as far as I'm concerned, with the exception of Scott Niedermayer---whose play I appreciate more every time I see him play---Burke can trade anyone else on the roster.

Scott being here also probably makes Rob untouchable.

I also think Vishnevski should be very nearly untouchable, only way he goes is if somebody else offers something crazy for him. Which they wont. Been developing him for years, he impresses me more every night, and he is back into his hitting form too.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/arti...21_130949_17716

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/arti...21_130949_17716

Link doesn't work.

Link doesn't work.
must have got pulled then

must have got pulled then

Or you dont know how to post a link.


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp?content=20051121_130949_17716

Or you dont know how to post a link.


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp?content=20051121_130949_17716
i know how to post links just fine. enough with the personal attacks.

Scott being here also probably makes Rob untouchable.

I also think Vishnevski should be very nearly untouchable, only way he goes is if somebody else offers something crazy for him. Which they wont. Been developing him for years, he impresses me more every night, and he is back into his hitting form too.

That was slight hyperbole on my part. Of course you're right: the Niedermayer brothers are a package. That's how we landed Scott in the first place. Vish has put some monster hits on guys lately. I'm not advocating moving him. I do think that Salei may be on his way out.

The Ducks sent down Getzlaf and Perry

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp?content=20051121_113808_19088

The Ducks sent down Getzlaf and Perry

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp?content=20051121_113808_19088

The fact that Getzlaf and Perry were shipped off to Portland and Kip Brennan was placed on waivers reinforces my belief that a deal is in the works involving one of the d-man---most likely Salei. Looks like Sykora's days are numbered as well. Why else would Burke clear out three forwards while continuing to keep 8 d-men on the roster?

Why else would Burke clear out three forwards while continuing to keep 8 d-men on the roster?
Well Kunitz was recalled, plus Marchant, so really only 1 forward has been taken from the roster.

i know how to post links just fine. enough with the personal attacks.
Personal attacks? I was stating the obvious that you don't know how to put a link up because you assumed because the link you posted was a dead link that they pulled it from the site. Which is totally wrong.

:shakehead

He'd be slightly cheaper and the heart of the team. Would have been better to buy out Fedorov and keep Rucchin around..

Yeah that wouldn't have worked. Hey new owners were going to pay our best player 12 million bucks to NOT play for us...is that cool?

By claiming him off waivers, Columbus covers half the salary for the year.

Wouldn't right Marchant off... he may make $2.5 mill but as mentioned it cut some salary and it wasn't too long ago (2003) that Marchant put up 60 points... Was after Columbus that his production dropped, worse case scenario he's probably good for 40-50 points... could be worse!

Wouldn't right Marchant off... he may make $2.5 mill but as mentioned it cut some salary and it wasn't too long ago (2003) that Marchant put up 60 points... Was after Columbus that his production dropped

but this was only this one season....before that 60-point-season his highest number was 40 :dunno:

yep, that's the first move by burke that I REALLY dislike...zero sense in this one...
It was probably a stipulation of Columbus picking up Fedorov's contract. Marchant was initially supposed to be included in the trade, but his no-trade clause nicked it. There was probably an agreement that Burke's team pick him up off of waivers if no other team did. Hence Columbus sending Marchant through twice and the Ducks picking him up the second time around.

Not sure how I feel about it. I think I would rather have just dumped Sykora, but in addition to the $2 million this year we do save $3.5 million per the next two years.

By claiming him off waivers, Columbus covers half the salary for the year.
Nope. See various other threads on the topic.

Marchant? *** you dump Fedorov to pick up this guy???

Burke is such a hypocrite, he absolutely ripped the Blue Jackets for SIGNING him...and now he picks up his ridiculous contract.

This is a BS move, if your going to cut Feds money don't waste it on this scrub.

Wouldn't right Marchant off... he may make $2.5 mill but as mentioned it cut some salary and it wasn't too long ago (2003) that Marchant put up 60 points... Was after Columbus that his production dropped, worse case scenario he's probably good for 40-50 points... could be worse!
He's a third line center who did well in a contract year, I'd rather have Rucchin!!!

Don't really have any other thoughts than: *** is going on? Marchant doesn't bring anything that the team already has. We have enough 2-way forwards who can't finish. A lot cheaper than 2.5 million too. Cap space that could be used on someone that can score goals is now wasted on another checking line forward. Brennan put on waivers I could really care less about. Getzlaf and Perry I'm not really surprised about. Neither were doing anything here and getting little minutes. They need top line minutes in the AHL. I like that move, but the Marchant move negates anything positive.

So Sykora is officially on the market now as well?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp?content=20051121_130949_17716

Canuck fan here.

I see some of you are panicking. Brian Burke has a plan, he obviously doesn't like how this team was set up to start with, with the likes of Fedorov, etc etc...

Especially with the cap situation he has to get rid of some salaries which'll give him the option to add some (ie Marchant who's a quality player).

Burke has a set plan, let me tell you this. The Canucks had seasons before he came that were just absolute hell, far worse than what you guys will go through, who turned it around? Brian Burke.

He will do the same for you guys, I guarentee it. He'll make you guys a quality, entertaing team to watch. There'll be ups and downs, but at the end you guys will be near the top, a Playoff team year in and year out.

Just calm down, relax...enjoy the ride. At the end you'll realize that it was all worth it, especially when you have one of the most exciting teams in the league.

Burke on the Canucks broadcast on Sunday said he wants to mold the Ducks into the Canucks. Ie...get rid of the fat (Fedorov among others) and get Brian Burke hockey players.

Just relax people....you guys are going to have a good team in a few years.

Not sure why Burke seems to be packing in the season already, but damn. I can't really see how he could trade sykora + marchant (or anyone else) to get anyone that would make this team any better.

So Sykora is officially on the market now as well?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp?content=20051121_130949_17716

Good, he has been horrible this year.

If we can get a decent young forward and a pick for him I would be thrilled.

This is absurd, we have every right to complain. Burke traded Fedorov for cap room, and has just wasted 2.47 on Marchant!!

Good, he has been horrible this year.

If we can get a decent young forward and a pick for him I would be thrilled.
Well if he's been horrible, I doubt you'll get that good of a young forward or pick.

Personal attacks? I was stating the obvious that you don't know how to put a link up because you assumed because the link you posted was a dead link that they pulled it from the site. Which is totally wrong.

:shakehead
so marchant, kunitz and wall are in.

Getzlaf, perry and brennan are out.

Man, this team rocks!!

I never really had a big problem with anything he did...until now, Burke is a total hypocrite he absolutely ripped the blue jackets for giving him the deal he got a few years ago.

Canuck fan here.

I see some of you are panicking. Brian Burke has a plan, he obviously doesn't like how this team was set up to start with, with the likes of Fedorov, etc etc...

Especially with the cap situation he has to get rid of some salaries which'll give him the option to add some (ie Marchant who's a quality player).

Burke has a set plan, let me tell you this. The Canucks had seasons before he came that were just absolute hell, far worse than what you guys will go through, who turned it around? Brian Burke.

He will do the same for you guys, I guarentee it. He'll make you guys a quality, entertaing team to watch. There'll be ups and downs, but at the end you guys will be near the top, a Playoff team year in and year out.

Just calm down, relax...enjoy the ride. At the end you'll realize that it was all worth it, especially when you have one of the most exciting teams in the league.

Burke on the Canucks broadcast on Sunday said he wants to mold the Ducks into the Canucks. Ie...get rid of the fat (Fedorov among others) and get Brian Burke hockey players.

Just relax people....you guys are going to have a good team in a few years.

Thanks for putting some perspective on it Zack. I agree.... everyone is so quick to jump on the negative wagon before the dust has even settled. We need to hope for the best and put our faith in someone... Burke happens to be it. I, for one, am willing to trust his judgement and his vision for the future... at least he has one.

but this was only this one season....before that 60-point-season his highest number was 40 :dunno:

While true I was simply saying that the potential is there... if he wants to work, it will really be up to Carlyle if he can get everything out of Marchant or not. The truth is, the year Marchant put up 60 points he wasn't on an offensive juggernaut. Let's not kid ourselves, he was only one point behind team leader Smyth when it came to points and there was really no one else around to supply offence. If Carlyle can motivate and use Marchant I think he can be an effective center. Time will tell. Burke was in Vancouver, he did see alot of Marchant, maybe he thinks it will be a good fit in Anaheim. He's not going to make a move like this if he doesn't see it working.

Marchant is an elite penalty killer.

Anyone who doesn't want him on their team HASN'T seen him play much.

He brings a lot to a game.

(True that he needs to score more again to move from third to second line centre though.)

Canuck fan here.

I see some of you are panicking. Brian Burke has a plan, he obviously doesn't like how this team was set up to start with, with the likes of Fedorov, etc etc...

Especially with the cap situation he has to get rid of some salaries which'll give him the option to add some (ie Marchant who's a quality player).

Burke has a set plan, let me tell you this. The Canucks had seasons before he came that were just absolute hell, far worse than what you guys will go through, who turned it around? Brian Burke.

He will do the same for you guys, I guarentee it. He'll make you guys a quality, entertaing team to watch. There'll be ups and downs, but at the end you guys will be near the top, a Playoff team year in and year out.

Just calm down, relax...enjoy the ride. At the end you'll realize that it was all worth it, especially when you have one of the most exciting teams in the league.

Burke on the Canucks broadcast on Sunday said he wants to mold the Ducks into the Canucks. Ie...get rid of the fat (Fedorov among others) and get Brian Burke hockey players.

Just relax people....you guys are going to have a good team in a few years.

Thank you, Zack. I have a feeling that a number of moves are still in the works. I think that he'll announce at least one major deal within the next week or so.

you guys need to consolidate all the same topic threads here...

Marchant = McDonald. Not a scrub, but not all that helpful right now. Give Andy Mac 2.5M and don't pick up Marchant, and we saved ~600k for the same deal.

Elite penalty killer. Speedy faceoff guy. We have like 9 of those. We have those, and we have enforcers.

Marchant = McDonald. Not a scrub, but not all that helpful right now. Give Andy Mac 2.5M and don't pick up Marchant, and we saved ~600k for the same deal.

Elite penalty killer. Speedy faceoff guy. We have like 9 of those. We have those, and we have enforcers.
Sykora for Laraque is next!

Well if he's been horrible, I doubt you'll get that good of a young forward or pick.

Well he has been horrible this season, that doesn't mean he is a horrible hockey player. Some team might bet on a change of scenery turning his career around.