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Jennifer 11-21-2005, 01:35 PM LINK (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=143970&hubname=nhl)
Todd Marchant is a Mighty Duck of Anaheim.
The Ducks put in a waiver claim on the 32-year-old veteran centre who was put on waivers twice in the last week by the Columbus Blue Jackets.
so is this a good thing?
Conando 11-21-2005, 01:37 PM LINK (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=143970&hubname=nhl)
so is this a good thing?
hahahaha ... no
Jennifer 11-21-2005, 01:42 PM i dont really know much about him
but his age and price i didnt think it was a good thing
Conando 11-21-2005, 01:48 PM i dont really know much about him
but his age and price i didnt think it was a good thing
1 20 goal year in 11 seasons?
Professor John Frink 11-21-2005, 01:49 PM i dont really know much about him
but his age and price i didnt think it was a good thing
Apparently we are only on the hook for 1.2 per season but we are stuck with him for this season plus I believe two more.
Things that make you go hmmmm
Conando 11-21-2005, 01:53 PM Apparently we are only on the hook for 1.2 per season but we are stuck with him for this season plus I believe two more.
Things that make you go hmmmm
3 more years, that's what CBJ fans say
DJAnimosity 11-21-2005, 01:55 PM Apparently we are only on the hook for 1.2 per season but we are stuck with him for this season plus I believe two more.
Things that make you go hmmmm
You are on the hook for his entire $2.5 million salary for the next 3 seasons.
In an effort to reduce payroll, the Blue Jackets put Marchant on waivers last week. No team claimed him. The Blues Jackets put him on waivers again, but this time Anaheim decided to make the claim. Anaheim is responsible for assuming Marchants contract, which has another three years after this season, averaging around $2.5 million per season.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=143970&hubname=
slats432 11-21-2005, 01:55 PM One of the best PKs and 3rd line shutdown centres in the league. Good at the dot and gives an honest effort almost every night.
At 1.2 a year for three years, he is a good deal. At the $2.47 that CLB had him...bad deal.
If you don't miss Fedorov, then it was a great deal...you also save $2 million overall in the whole deal.
I like Marchant but going into a contract year he had a big year, hence the big contract. You are getting value for your money in Marchant at $1.2 a season.
sveiglar 11-21-2005, 01:55 PM Apparently we are only on the hook for 1.2 per season but we are stuck with him for this season plus I believe two more.
Things that make you go hmmmm
Incorrect. He was never assigned to the minors; MacLean apparently made it clear that he would never be assigned and hence CLB would never be picking up half the tab.
Burke is swallowing the full contract for three more years, though it's not really that surprising given that he was apparently willing to do that in the original Fedorov trade (where Marchant was to be included).
slats432 11-21-2005, 01:56 PM You are on the hook for his entire $2.5 million salary for the next 3 seasons.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=143970&hubname=
EDIT...I guess we will have to wait and see.
DJAnimosity 11-21-2005, 01:56 PM I like Marchant but going into a contract year he had a big year, hence the big contract. You are getting value for your money in Marchant at $1.2 a season.
Again, the waiver claim is not at half-price.
ohiohabsfan 11-21-2005, 01:57 PM Bad move by the ducks.
DJAnimosity 11-21-2005, 01:57 PM Bzzzz...wrong answer....they are on the hook for half for the duration of the contract as has been mentioned in several threads.(Unless TSN and Sportsnet are wrong.)
Bzzz....read the article again. Marchant was never sent to the minors, hence, no re-call waivers, hence no discount.
sveiglar 11-21-2005, 01:57 PM Bzzzz...wrong answer....they are on the hook for half for the duration of the contract as has been mentioned in several threads.(Unless TSN and Sportsnet are wrong.)
He was never assigned to the minors, hence it is not a re-entry waiver claim (the only type where the old team pays half the tab).
TSN is correct; full cost to Anaheim.
sveiglar 11-21-2005, 01:58 PM Bzzz....read the article again. Marchant was never sent to the minors, hence, no re-call waivers, hence no discount.
I'll let you field this thread from now on... I'll dispel the half-price myth elsewhere. ;)
Chistov23 11-21-2005, 01:58 PM One of the best PKs and 3rd line shutdown centres in the league. Good at the dot and gives an honest effort almost every night.
Apparently you havn't checked out our roster, he is probably our 1st line center by default. :help:
Professor John Frink 11-21-2005, 01:59 PM Again, the waiver claim is not at half-price.
Well then excuse me while I throw up. If in fact we are the hook for another THREE years after this one for 2.5 million you will need a new moderator because I will have performed murder suicide on Burke and myself.
slats432 11-21-2005, 01:59 PM Bzzz....read the article again. Marchant was never sent to the minors, hence, no re-call waivers, hence no discount.
I sit corrected. Then the Ducks are making a terrible move by claiming him. You have another GM by the short and curlys and let him off the hook. Terrible.
DJAnimosity 11-21-2005, 02:04 PM Well then excuse me while I throw up. If in fact we are the hook for another THREE years after this one for 2.5 million you will need a new moderator because I will have performed murder suicide on Burke and myself.
Sorry to pile on, but it really is the correct info:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp?content=20051121_113808_19088
Marchant cleared waivers last week and the Jackets put him on waivers again this weekend.
The Ducks claimed him this time.
They also swallowed his contract, which calls for another three years after this season at about $2.5 million US a year.
KingPurpleDinosaur 11-21-2005, 02:04 PM horrible move after a really crafty one with the fedorov trade. now u guys are pretty much at the same spot but without any good players to show for it.
and to think, i actually was one of the few who defended the fedorov trade. ooh man, wat the hell is he thinking...
i guess kings fans can be happy now :sarcasm:
sveiglar 11-21-2005, 02:10 PM horrible move after a really crafty one with the fedorov trade. now u guys are pretty much at the same spot but without any good players to show for it.
and to think, i actually was one of the few who defended the fedorov trade. ooh man, wat the hell is he thinking...
i guess kings fans can be happy now :sarcasm:
Well, they still saved $2M on the Fedorov trade, but that doesn't look as good as $4.5M when you consider on whom the extra saving was spent.
Professor John Frink 11-21-2005, 02:17 PM Well, they still saved $2M on the Fedorov trade, but that doesn't look as good as $4.5M when you consider on whom the extra saving was spent.
Horrible move IMO basically fields a owrse team while making the whole point of dealing Fedorov in th first place a moot point.
Having a 3rd line center at 2.5 million is overpaying no matter how you look at it.
sveiglar 11-21-2005, 02:23 PM Horrible move IMO basically fields a owrse team while making the whole point of dealing Fedorov in th first place a moot point.
Having a 3rd line center at 2.5 million is overpaying no matter how you look at it.
Make no mistake; I agree with you.
misfit 11-21-2005, 02:28 PM Well, he's making slightly more than Rucchin (~$200k more). He's better defensively, just as good on the dot (maybe slightly better, actually), faster, and not as good offensively. It's only a bad move if you think this team didn't need a guy like Rucchin.
so is this a good thing?
From my point of view, YES.
But I'm a Kings fan...
Seriously, horrible horrible move by Burke.
Dumping Rucchin in the Summer and then picking up Marchant 2 months ago? Burke needs a doctor...a good one.
TheJoeMan 11-21-2005, 02:52 PM Well, he's making slightly more than Rucchin (~$200k more). He's better defensively, just as good on the dot (maybe slightly better, actually), faster, and not as good offensively. It's only a bad move if you think this team didn't need a guy like Rucchin.
Very good point misfit, although I am a huge Rucchin supporter I am also a realist and that is a very good point. You know lets forget about contracts and dollars and cents for a second because it really doesn't effect any of us. Todd Marchant is just the kind of player for this team. He's really fast, a strong forechecker, good at face-offs and a great penalty killer. He's also capable of putting up 20 goals and that's something we desperately need right now. He won't be our first line center but then again we don't really have a first line per se, it's line a line 1A and 1B. This makes a us a better team than we were yesterday regadless of what it does to our salary and the last I checked we don't pay there salaries do we?
Bandit 11-21-2005, 03:23 PM I will admit that I haven't seen much of Marchant, but from what I've read from various sources, he's very much like Eric Belanger of the Kings. Speedy, good at faceoffs, more defensive than offensive. It'll be interesting to see how accurate that comparison is.
Honestly though, when you look at Conroy at ~2.5, and Marchant at 2.5 for 3 more years, the ducks got bent over, and the worst part is, they did it to themselves.
Ziggy Stardust 11-21-2005, 03:39 PM Just what the Ducks need, another forward with no finishing ability. They need help scoring goals, not digging pucks out of their own net.
Well then excuse me while I throw up. If in fact we are the hook for another THREE years after this one for 2.5 million you will need a new moderator because I will have performed murder suicide on Burke and myself.
Its not worth it man ... we need a moderator. But why are we talking that we will spend money this summer. Our roster is filled for next 3 years ( Niedermayer brothers, now this Marchant.. i think there are others ... so see you in future ..2008
Digger12 11-21-2005, 03:42 PM Todd Marchant is just the kind of player for this team. He's really fast, a strong forechecker, good at face-offs and a great penalty killer.
This I'd hang my hat on if I were a Ducks fan, Marchant will give you all of this for sure.
He's also capable of putting up 20 goals and that's something we desperately need right now.
This I wouldn't hang my hat on if I were a Ducks fan. ;)
Can he do it? Well yeah, he did do it once...playing as the Oilers' #1 center and loads of PP time, and if you compare that 20 goal season with his others, his even strength production didn't really go up at all despite playing with better linemates than he was used to. That approx. 20 point spike had everything to do with him getting lots of PP icetime that he didn't normally get, and he took advantage of it.
Expect 12-15 goals, and you won't be disappointed.
He's also one of the more militant NHLPA reps you'll come across, so keep that in mind for future contract dealings.
crossxcheck 11-21-2005, 04:01 PM no offense guys, but I'm glad we have poile and not burke. I do, however, hope the guy works out for you guys.
MightyAdam 11-21-2005, 04:08 PM what you have to understand is that the Ducks have been getting their chances... A team that has been outshooting their opponents usually does not have to worry about their offense. The only reason it looks that way is because they do not have the goals to prove it.
There was a point last week where the Ducks had three straight games of 40 shots or more, and they still lost the games. So, maybe Marchant is just the guy the Ducks need. Adding another top scorer would maybe just produce more shots on goals, without finishing. If you remember, Federov is a top scorer, and he had yet to procuce a goal before getting traded.
What the Ducks need now is chemistry. And I can't wait to see how everybody reacts when starting with tomorrow's game, the Ducks go on a 10 game winning streak and move into first by Christmas. Then, Burke will truly look like a genius. Marchant is one of the BEST penalty killers in the league. The Ducks have been tearing it up 5 on 5, but most of their problems have been coming on killing their penalties. If they have just solved a big part of that with Marchant, they should start to do real well.
And if you look at their upcoming schedule, with the list of teams they are playing are not too good, this is the perfect time to get their confidence and go on a winning streak...with a new face on the team. Can't wait til tomorrow's game.
NOTE: Marchant is thought by some to be like an Eric Belanger type of player, but one who can chip in a few more goals and is better on the PK.
You guys are on the hook for his whole deal, but do you inherit his no trade clause too? If so, I gotta wonder a little bit here...
TheJoeMan 11-21-2005, 04:13 PM I would take an Eric Belanger-type player on this team anyday. If Marchant can play like that, I'll be very happy.
B.D. Gallof 11-21-2005, 04:17 PM think of it this way...i've seen Rucchin play this year. He's shot. Marchant IS an improvement.
7Seconds 11-21-2005, 04:22 PM Eric Belanger > Marchant. TM is/was so overrated. He is fast with hands of stone, scores the nice goal once a year. He is a good 3rd liner, BUT that is not how the Ducks will use him. Burke is an abortion with the wire hanger stuck in his temple.
think of it this way...i've seen Rucchin play this year. He's shot. Marchant IS an improvement.
He may not be as good as he was, but shot? 12 points and a +5 is not only better than Marchant's numbers, but his deal is up at the end of the year and will clear out 2+ million in cap space. I'd rather have Rucchin.
I cant see how Marchant is going to improve our scoring. This guy scores avg 12 goals per season. He is 32. He has never been a prospect. Sorry .. i have no faith :dunno:
Kafka 11-21-2005, 05:00 PM Marchant is a very fast player. He may not score, but will allow his wingers to get good shots at the net. Sullivan was never a prospect too... he was even waived... like Martin St-Louis. Marchant is not a new Sullivan or St-Louis, but he will get at least 40 points, if not 50.
MightyAdam 11-21-2005, 05:18 PM Marchant is capable of putting up 40 assists in a year...like he did with the Oilers. And he might be faster then McDonald? Selanne could use a center like that. No offense to Getzlaf, but he is not that fast. In San Jose, Selanne did pretty good with a fast center. I am sure Marchant will center Selanne and Sykora. That would be a pretty sweet, fast line.
Then, you have Getzlaf centering Niedermeyer and Lupul. That line would be similar to the line in 2003-2004 when Ruchin centered Niedermeyer and Lupul.
And with Tyler on the team now, with guys like Moen and Hedstom, I can see this team being very dangerous. I think Burkes plan will end up showing its rewards soon. This team will be tough to play against.
TonySCV 11-21-2005, 05:24 PM Horrible move IMO basically fields a owrse team while making the whole point of dealing Fedorov in th first place a moot point.
Having a 3rd line center at 2.5 million is overpaying no matter how you look at it.
For 3 1/2 years too! Don't forget that. :dunno:
If Brian Burke has a meet the fans event anytime soon, I'd be lining up if I were you to just ask "WT*?"
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Bobby Ryan Getzlaf 11-21-2005, 05:25 PM He has three years left after this? I'm not so sure about that. He signed before the 03-04 season, so that's one season he was paid. The lockout year counted against his deal, and this season counts as his third season with this deal. I'm also fairly sure he signed a 5-year deal.
glossydog 11-21-2005, 05:37 PM He has three years left after this? I'm not so sure about that. He signed before the 03-04 season, so that's one season he was paid. The lockout year counted against his deal, and this season counts as his third season with this deal. I'm also fairly sure he signed a 5-year deal.
He had an option for a sixth year if there was a lockout.
BowDown2Chistov 11-21-2005, 05:40 PM okay so after taking todd how much do we have to play with now? how these three guys =feds? is this in anyway gonna make us better. . .
Old Hickory 11-21-2005, 05:41 PM Marchant is capable of putting up 40 assists in a year...like he did with the Oilers. And he might be faster then McDonald? Selanne could use a center like that. No offense to Getzlaf, but he is not that fast. In San Jose, Selanne did pretty good with a fast center. I am sure Marchant will center Selanne and Sykora. That would be a pretty sweet, fast line.
Then, you have Getzlaf centering Niedermeyer and Lupul. That line would be similar to the line in 2003-2004 when Ruchin centered Niedermeyer and Lupul.
And with Tyler on the team now, with guys like Moen and Hedstom, I can see this team being very dangerous. I think Burkes plan will end up showing its rewards soon. This team will be tough to play against.
Marchant reached 40 assists once(contract year) He reached 25 once in Columbus and 26 one other time in Edmonton.
You do know Getzlaf was sent down right?
McDonald19 11-21-2005, 05:46 PM The Ducks (7-10-4) also demoted rookie forwards Corey Perry and Ryan Getzlaf to AHL Portland, called up forward Chris Kunitz and goalie Michael Wall, and put forward Kip Brennan on waivers.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp?content=20051121_113808_19088
bleedgreen 11-21-2005, 05:52 PM you guys keep judging every move one by one. burkes gonna build his own team, and he's gonna do it the best way he can. marchant may be overpaid, but sergei was WAY more overpaid in todays game and he saved money there. he probably thinks marchant fits the feel of the team he is trying to create as well. with apparently sykora also on the block, he obviously isnt doen. with all the cap restrictions in place, it may take a year or maybe much longer for him to get the team he wants in place. i think he is an awesome gm, and there isnt a smarter one in the league period. he has a plan, i would have faith.
as for marchant being overpaid, we have brindy being WAY overpaid, yet we found a way to put a team around him...for now anyway. a lot of teams need a cap adjustment, and burke obviously felt neids needed to be the big money guy - not feds. all this is just the fallout of the neids signing, imo. also, as a poster pointed out earlier, marchant basically becomes your top center now...so even though he isnt that great youve added an upgrade player. he is MUCH faster than rucchin, though i understand fans wishing rucchins leadership was still around. his speed will help in the new league.
McDonald19 11-21-2005, 06:03 PM we only have 12 forwards now...with Kunitz and Marchant in and Perry, Getzlaf and Brennan demoted.
Sykora-Marchant-Selanne
Fedoruk-McDonald-Lupul
Kunitz-Niedermayer-Moen
Wright-Pahlsson-Hedstrom
What is Burke doing? :dunno:
KingPurpleDinosaur 11-21-2005, 06:50 PM he's creating a connection between high draft picks and high team salary.
Blue Buck* 11-21-2005, 06:56 PM From my point of view, YES.
But I'm a Kings fan...
Seriously, horrible horrible move by Burke.
Dumping Rucchin in the Summer and then picking up Marchant 2 months ago? Burke needs a doctor...a good one.
He's in the beginning stages of creating a team based around speed. Good move.
Randall Graves* 11-21-2005, 07:04 PM He had an option for a sixth year if there was a lockout.
Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll retire since he doesn't want to be here.
Bobby Ryan Getzlaf 11-21-2005, 08:18 PM He had an option for a sixth year if there was a lockout.
Well, since I think he wants to be out East, I could easily see him not taking it. He's only take about a million or so paycut, or not even that. Only time will tell, I guess, unless he already activated it, of course.
Duckz_fan85' 11-21-2005, 08:21 PM Doesn't this remind people, of the Ducks' bad old days..
and we dont even have kariya!
we're clearly going backwards, it looks almost like Burke is trying to tank the season. :sarcasm:
glossydog 11-21-2005, 08:27 PM Well, since I think he wants to be out East, I could easily see him not taking it. He's only take about a million or so paycut, or not even that. Only time will tell, I guess, unless he already activated it, of course.
Sorry, itīs already activated.
Bobby Ryan Getzlaf 11-22-2005, 01:32 AM Sorry, itīs already activated.
Well, that sucks, but as it is, I have some serious doubts Marchant will be around for that long. Just a feeling.
Jerky Leclerc 11-22-2005, 02:10 AM I don't get why people think picking Marchant is a bad move. How did we become a worst team by adding a quality NHL player? After losing 8 games, we should get alittle desparate.
Spankatola Jamnuts 11-22-2005, 02:20 AM How did we become a worse team by swapping Fedorov for Marchant, did you just ask?
Jerky Leclerc 11-22-2005, 03:17 AM How did we become a worse team by swapping Fedorov for Marchant, did you just ask?
How many goals did Fedorov score? 0 I don't care how many one goal games we lost the last 8 games. We loss 8 games and in the end, its all about results. Lets give Marchant a chance before we nail the coffin shut on this season.
Spankatola Jamnuts 11-22-2005, 03:21 AM So you think Marchant'll outscore Fedorov down the last 60 games or so?
Jerky Leclerc 11-22-2005, 03:28 AM It doesn't matter how many goals Marchant score or won't score. This team is in need of a shakeup and hence the move.
Spankatola Jamnuts 11-22-2005, 03:44 AM It doesn't matter how many goals Marchant score or won't score. This team is in need of a shakeup and hence the move.
Wow. Just the very presence of Todd Marchant will motivate the players to no longer suck, even if he scores no goals? He's like Jesus! We should put him on a line with Pahlsson!
Fan.At 11-22-2005, 06:56 AM I wouldn't mind if burke picks up Konstantin Koltsov from Pittsburgh. The guy has got speeeeed...
McDonald19 11-22-2005, 08:26 AM Marchant had been discussed as part of the Fedorov deal, but a no-trade clause in his contract kept him with the Blue Jackets.
"We were prepared to make the deal with or without him, and he didn't waive his no-trade," Burke said. "I talked to Todd and he said that he would have been happy to accept a trade here but they (Columbus) wouldn't tell him the team, which is fairly standard.
"He told me that he was happy to be coming, that he was excited. He seemed really pumped when I talked to him."
Since Marchant exercised his no-trade clause, the Blue Jackets placed him on waivers last week. He went unclaimed and the team placed him on waivers a second time. While the Ducks were interested in obtaining Marchant, there was no guarantee they would be the team to land him.
"It's been a long week, with being put on waivers twice and not knowing whether my future was going to be with the Blue Jackets or any of 29 different teams," Marchant said after catching up to his new team in Phoenix. "It was very frustrating to say the least. I'm happy it's over."
OC Register (http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/abox/article_850195.php)
Pwnasaurus 11-22-2005, 09:51 AM Wow. Just the very presence of Todd Marchant will motivate the players to no longer suck, even if he scores no goals? He's like Jesus! We should put him on a line with Pahlsson!
:handclap:
sveiglar 11-22-2005, 09:56 AM Wow. Just the very presence of Todd Marchant will motivate the players to no longer suck, even if he scores no goals? He's like Jesus! We should put him on a line with Pahlsson!
If Marchant is Jesus and Pahlsson is God, then they'd better line up with Sykora (holy ghost); he's been invisible so far this year.
Worship the Trinity line!
Transported Upstater 11-22-2005, 11:26 AM Why, if Anaheim is trying to shed salary, would they pick up Todd Marchant for $2.5 mil/year?
I think at $1.2 mil, he was an OK pickup, but he's highly overpaid at $2.5 million.
Professor John Frink 11-22-2005, 11:33 AM Why, if Anaheim is trying to shed salary, would they pick up Todd Marchant for $2.5 mil/year?
I think at $1.2 mil, he was an OK pickup, but he's highly overpaid at $2.5 million.
Good lord where have you been?
Check out the other 10 threads and 100 posts to see how we all felt on this.
Kick Save 11-22-2005, 03:55 PM So you think Marchant'll outscore Fedorov down the last 60 games or so?
C'mon, Booger, that's not the issue. To put it simply, are the Ducks better off with Todd Marchant, Tyler Wright, Francois Beachemin and the approximately $2 mil additional salary cap room than they were with Fedorov? Also, when assessing Fedorov, we need to take a look at what he was like in the locker room. I only have second-hand information, but the buzz is that he was a "cancer" in the room.
To put it simply, are the Ducks better off with Todd Marchant, Tyler Wright, Francois Beachemin and the approximately $2 mil additional salary cap room than they were with Fedorov?
"Better off" is pretty vague so how about we debate "will win more games" instead. I highly doubt the Ducks win more games with three scrubs and cash in hand vs Fedorov.
I was hoping Burke would make a bold player aquistion with that 4.5 million in cap space and lets just say that Todd Marchant off waivers wasn't it.
Also, when assessing Fedorov, we need to take a look at what he was like in the locker room. I only have second-hand information, but the buzz is that he was a "cancer" in the room.
Oh god. Did we really have to pull out the he's a cancer card? Nothing is weaker than trying to prove a point with that.
bleedgreen 11-22-2005, 05:49 PM Good lord where have you been?
Check out the other 10 threads and 100 posts to see how we all felt on this.
you guys did shed salary, im not getting all the anger here. i would take marchant over rucchin any day. rucchin isnt playing all that well for the rangers, he isnt fast enough for the new game. he may be overpaid but youre better off cap wise than you were - and i think marchant wont be any worse than federov this year. he hasnt looked all that good so far for the blue jackets, imo. i think he's on the way out. at least you got a valueable player back. burke probably made an agreement that he would take marchant off waivers. he probably had to wait until it happened once so everyone wouldnt freak out about avoiding the no trade clause. when no one else stepped up, burke was probably required to by some deal he made with mcclean. its still a salary dump, with a player coming back instead of nothing. this was the deal all along, you guys are getting upset like burke is letting mclean off the hook here, he probably had no choice.
Spankatola Jamnuts 11-22-2005, 06:12 PM C'mon, Booger, that's not the issue. To put it simply, are the Ducks better off with Todd Marchant, Tyler Wright, Francois Beachemin and the approximately $2 mil additional salary cap room than they were with Fedorov?
Wright and Beauchemin = 0. Fedorov is better at everything than Marchant. Probably puts his pants on better. Probably bangs the power players better. So are we a better team? No. Not at all. Not even a little. It's kind of retarded to even hint that we might be.
What happens with the [remainder of] the cap space is the kicker, and it's the thought of that that's keeping the huge deluge of poopoo from exploding out of my butt.
Kick Save 11-22-2005, 07:08 PM "Better off" is pretty vague so how about we debate "will win more games" instead. I highly doubt the Ducks win more games with three scrubs and cash in hand vs Fedorov.
Okay, I'll accept the "win more games". But your characterization of "three scrubs and cash in hand vs Fedorov" is inaccurate. Was Rucchin a "scrub"? Most neutral observers would take Marchant over Rucchin hands down in the post-rules- change 2005-2006 NHL. I also can't accept the "cash in hand" designation. That money will be redeployed and probably sooner than later. So the equation really isn't finished yet.
I was hoping Burke would make a bold player aquistion with that 4.5 million in cap space and lets just say that Todd Marchant off waivers wasn't it.
I tend to agree with you here. I, too, was hoping for a big name. But, keep in mind the following: (1) Burke isn't finished dealing; (2) in no sport is the notion that "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts" more true than in hockey; (3) as you've pointed out, it's "wins" is the name of the game; not who has the most marquee names on the roster.
Oh god. Did we really have to pull out the he's a cancer card? Nothing is weaker than trying to prove a point with that.
I'm a bit taken aback by your response. The fact that you deem it "weak" doesn't make it so. In hockey more than any sport, you have to have 22 or 23 guys who give their all every night. I've gotten some feedback---albeit secondhand---that Fedorov missed some practices and "went through the motions" during others. If that's true, he was setting a horrible example for kids like Getzlaf, Perry, Lupul, et al.
Look: there's empirical evidence that Burke took a crappy team and turned it into a respectable, up-tempo, entertaining competitor. If, at the conclusion of the 2006-2007 season there hasn't been substantial improvement in the team, I'll concede that I was wrong. While knocking Burke may be fashionable, at this juncture, it way too premature.
Kick Save 11-22-2005, 07:16 PM Wright and Beauchemin = 0. Fedorov is better at everything than Marchant. Probably puts his pants on better. Probably bangs the power players better. So are we a better team? No. Not at all. Not even a little. It's kind of retarded to even hint that we might be.
What happens with the [remainder of] the cap space is the kicker, and it's the thought of that that's keeping the huge deluge of poopoo from exploding out of my butt.
Wright is a serviceable player cut in the mold of a guy who plays for Burke. He's not someone you build your team around, but he's certainly not a liability nore the "0" you've designated him to be. Further, when you get right down to it, Fedorov isn't someone you build your team around, either. Obviously, his skills are exceptional. But he thrived in Detroit playing on "Steve Yzerman's" team. He was never the go-to guy. He was never an inspirational leader that the younger players looked up to.
I don't know why you guys can't seem to grasp the concept that the Ducks are a work-in-progress.
I hope you find a cork for your butt ASAP. There are more deals coming. They may not bring us a marquee guy, but someone like Antropov or Ponikorovsky wouldn't be too shabby.
McDonald19 11-22-2005, 07:39 PM Wright is a serviceable player cut in the mold of a guy who plays for Burke. He's not someone you build your team around, but he's certainly not a liability nore the "0" you've designated him to be.
Agreed. Wright is a good third/fourth liner. Throws big hits, agitates, skates pretty well, can move the puck a bit and is okay in the defensive zone.
Spankatola Jamnuts 11-22-2005, 08:41 PM We have eleventeen of those. Wright is nothing special.
Most neutral observers would take Marchant over Rucchin hands down in the post-rules- change 2005-2006 NHL. I also can't accept the "cash in hand" designation. That money will be redeployed and probably sooner than later. So the equation really isn't finished yet.
Not me.
Ruchhin 5 goals 7 assists in 15 minutes per game
Leclerc 8 goals 7 assists in 14 mintues per game
Marchant 3 goals 6 assists in 20 minutes per game
Marchant has by far the biggest contract and he's the crappiest player of the three. I don't care how fast he is.
As for the cash, Burke has another 3 million in Sykora and 2 million in a defenseman to move if he wants. Saving 2.5 while down grading from Fedorov to Marchant and pals wasn't the best way to go. It would be different if Marchant didn't have three more years on his contract.
I'm a bit taken aback by your response. The fact that you deem it "weak" doesn't make it so.
I don't know your source, but I find it funny that post trade analysis like this ALWAYS brings out a claim that the guy was a cancer. Yet prior to the trade there wasn't a peep about it.
lux_interior 11-23-2005, 03:16 AM Well the value of this deal all depends on what happens next.
As is, the trio of Wright, Beauchemin and Marchant have about as much value as Kohn, Aalto and Trepanier.
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