Am I the only one who can make sense of this trade?

Look no one is going to look at this thing and say player for player it is a fair deal. But this is the "New" NHL where salary overpowers the value of the player.

Let's be honest we got crap back in the deal. Nothing of note. A prospect would have been nice, it would have been easier to deal with after the initial shock of the deal. But the way I see it Burke had one opportunity, an opportunity he figured as I do that wasn't going to come again. An opportunity to free ourselves of 6 million over the next 3 years.

Add to this the fact that there is a large group of solid free agents next season and we free ourselves of other salaries(Sykora comes to mind) makes it an easier deal for me to understand.

Burke hates everything guys like Fedorov and Sykora represent, tons of skill and seemingly no fight or hart. Again making the deal easier to understand.

Now finally I can make sense of keeping Getzlaf and Perry in the NHL we just freed up another spot for them to have some solid minutes.

This trade hurts us in the shortrun(although we played well without Feds for much the season) but will free us to really power up and have options we wouldn;t have had for the next three years if we would have kep Feds here.

Doooooooood

there's already a thread for this. Just look underneath all the "not obsessed with the Ducks" Kings fans.

After the initial shock of the deal, people are starting to realize the situation. Just look at the thread in the trades board. The first 5 pages bash Burke and Anaheim, and then after that it is a mixed reaction as people see Feds with 6 million over the next 3 years. This trade sucks for this season (pending no other move is made), however it is Good for the next 2 years and so on. We should have some nice cap room to spend in the offseason now.
Burke hates everything guys like Fedorov and Sykora represent, tons of skill and seemingly no fight or hart. Again making the deal easier to understand.
Ok yea Sykora hasn't been great this year but man it is like everyone hates him now. Am I the only person who sees Sykora go down to block shots, shows hart to me. He knows he needs to score, he said it the other day in the papers. Sykora is a great compliment player, unfortunately for him he has noone to compliment. He isn't a player who will create his own chances but he is player that will finish if paired with someone who can create chances. If we can sign him for 2.5 next year, I'm all over it.

If we can sign him for 2.5 next year, I'm all over it.

no thanks. I'd rather Bobby Ryan got his spot or even give Stan Chistov another chance. Or spend that 2.5 million on a player who will drive to the net. Sykora is a terrible hockey player at the moment. He could turn things around but I doubt it.

I think this trade was a good idea too, Im astounded by all the stupidity around here.

Did they see Federov putting up numbers and winning us games?

no thanks. I'd rather Bobby Ryan got his spot or even give Stan Chistov another chance. Or spend that 2.5 million on a player who will drive to the net. Sykora is a terrible hockey player at the moment. He could turn things around but I doubt it.
Bobby should make the team next year, no reason for him to go back to the O for another season.

Look no one is going to look at this thing and say player for player it is a fair deal. But this is the "New" NHL where salary overpowers the value of the player.

Let's be honest we got crap back in the deal. Nothing of note. A prospect would have been nice, it would have been easier to deal with after the initial shock of the deal. But the way I see it Burke had one opportunity, an opportunity he figured as I do that wasn't going to come again. An opportunity to free ourselves of 6 million over the next 3 years.

Add to this the fact that there is a large group of solid free agents next season and we free ourselves of other salaries(Sykora comes to mind) makes it an easier deal for me to understand.

Burke hates everything guys like Fedorov and Sykora represent, tons of skill and seemingly no fight or hart. Again making the deal easier to understand.

Now finally I can make sense of keeping Getzlaf and Perry in the NHL we just freed up another spot for them to have some solid minutes.

This trade hurts us in the shortrun(although we played well without Feds for much the season) but will free us to really power up and have options we wouldn;t have had for the next three years if we would have kep Feds here.

Right on. There's hangover thinking from pre-CBA where the rights to a player were of much higher value than the salary you paid him, so what you got in a trade was more important than the salaries involved. With the cap, the important thing is to get rid of any salary that is not producing for you, so you can put that salary to work by spending it on productive players.

We have to learn that what one gets in return for dumping a $6+ million player is not the specific players received, if any, but the ability to use that money elsewhere. In a way, it's better not to have to take players in trade, because you can then invest the money where you want, and not have to accept any players and spend your newfound money on them. Of course, if you can get someone good at a good price, so much the better.

Draft picks? After #20 or so, it doesn't really matter, because it's a shot in the dark. The players don't mature for three years, and most of them will turn out to be merely average at best, if they make it at all.

The success of this move will depend on what is done with the cap room.

We got nothing for Fedorov. Who cares? Now if we can dump Sykora.

Look no one is going to look at this thing and say player for player it is a fair deal. But this is the "New" NHL where salary overpowers the value of the player.

Let's be honest we got crap back in the deal. Nothing of note. A prospect would have been nice, it would have been easier to deal with after the initial shock of the deal. But the way I see it Burke had one opportunity, an opportunity he figured as I do that wasn't going to come again. An opportunity to free ourselves of 6 million over the next 3 years.

Add to this the fact that there is a large group of solid free agents next season and we free ourselves of other salaries(Sykora comes to mind) makes it an easier deal for me to understand.

Burke hates everything guys like Fedorov and Sykora represent, tons of skill and seemingly no fight or hart. Again making the deal easier to understand.

Now finally I can make sense of keeping Getzlaf and Perry in the NHL we just freed up another spot for them to have some solid minutes.

This trade hurts us in the shortrun(although we played well without Feds for much the season) but will free us to really power up and have options we wouldn;t have had for the next three years if we would have kep Feds here.
as i posted in the other thread...wildcat48 at AD(has solid pirates connections) claims perry and getzlaf are going back..my guess is until burke finds roster space if true.

Burke hates everything guys like Fedorov and Sykora represent, tons of skill and seemingly no fight or hart. Again making the deal easier to understand.


This is a ridiculous remark.

Sergei Fedorov is a champion and an all-star because he plays with fight and heart. To lump him in with a guy like Petr Sykora is ignorant and misguided at best.

This is a ridiculous remark.

Sergei Fedorov is a champion and an all-star because he plays with fight and heart. To lump him in with a guy like Petr Sykora is ignorant and misguided at best.
Except that Sykora is a champion (2000) and an all-star.

I'm a Jackets fan and I completely get why Anaheim did the deal. Saving that money will be huge for the Ducks in the long run and anyone bashing Burke for it is completely misguided IMO.

I don't think Burke ever wanted Fed on the team to begin with.

Yeah, he believes we're better-off without Federov.

Well, our record is better without him.

This is a ridiculous remark.

Sergei Fedorov is a champion and an all-star because he plays with fight and heart.

10 years ago.

10 years ago.

Fedorov was an All Star and a Cup champion in 2002. So, the answer is 3 years ago...not 10. :shakehead

Whats with all the hate for the guy now? He had a decent year in 2003-04 for you guys, and this year he hasnt even had a chance to really get going.

This was a good move financially for the Ducks, but I think Fedorov deserves some respect around here. He took alot less money to play for you guys in the first place.

I'm a Jackets fan and I completely get why Anaheim did the deal. Saving that money will be huge for the Ducks in the long run and anyone bashing Burke for it is completely misguided IMO.

Speaking of saving money, its been a huge money saver for the Wings not having Fedorov anymore....They wouldn't have been able to keep all the other guys had he stayed. I was choked when he left Detroit, but it looks pretty good now.

Yeah, he believes we're better-off without Federov.

So he's saying it would make the Ducks... betterov?

I'm here all week, folks. Try the veal.

This is a ridiculous remark.

Sergei Fedorov is a champion and an all-star because he plays with fight and heart. To lump him in with a guy like Petr Sykora is ignorant and misguided at best.

Fight and heart? I'm a huge Fedorov fan, and C-Bus has become one of my favorite teams because of him getting traded there, but even I'll admit he doesn't have either one of those things. He was a champ and an all-star, but if he actually applied himself, he'd be the best player in the league.

10 years ago.
:shakehead 10 yrs ago he was the MVP of the league, above gretzky, playing 28 mins/game, and winning the selke.

he was an all-star and champion just 3 yrs ago. a couple of seasons ago he was top 15 in scoring.

Fight and heart? I'm a huge Fedorov fan, and C-Bus has become one of my favorite teams because of him getting traded there, but even I'll admit he doesn't have either one of those things. He was a champ and an all-star, but if he actually applied himself, he'd be the best player in the league.

The knock on Fedorov since Day 1 of his NHL career was his motivation. When motivated he does have fight and heart. You should have seen him during the Wings cup runs in 97,98 and 02. He was unstoppable during those years.

Its just a shame we didnt see more of it. He has had a very, very, very good NHL career. But you still walk away thinking he could have been so much better at the same time. Very enigmatic.

Fedorov was an All Star and a Cup champion in 2002. So, the answer is 3 years ago...not 10. :shakehead

Whats with all the hate for the guy now? He had a decent year in 2003-04 for you guys, and this year he hasnt even had a chance to really get going.

This was a good move financially for the Ducks, but I think Fedorov deserves some respect around here. He took alot less money to play for you guys in the first place.
I don't hate him, he played pretty good hockey for the ducks he's just overpaid. My guess is Burke wasn't getting alot of interest...also there have been some whispers that he may have been distancing himself from the team, although they are just that, whispers.

as i posted in the other thread...wildcat48 at AD(has solid pirates connections) claims perry and getzlaf are going back..my guess is until burke finds roster space if true.
Perry is looking like he would benefit more by going to the AHL, however Getzlaf seems to get better each game so I would like to see him stay for a while. Lately he has been one of the few players creating scoring chances.

He was good in his day, but the Anaheim contract was a retirement contract.

Fedorov was an All Star and a Cup champion in 2002. So, the answer is 3 years ago...not 10.

he was an all-star and champion just 3 yrs ago. a couple of seasons ago he was top 15 in scoring.

GONG!

Sorry, fanboys. I was referring to the last time Fedorov played with heart. And, er....fight. Fight? Whatever. Man, his hair sure does stream back from his head beautifully when he skates.

Anybody know if Tyler Wright wears a beanie during interviews?

We might as well have picked up a 6th+7th rounder and kept our 5th.. atleast there's an outside chance we'd get lucky..

Watch out StL! We're also going for Phil Kessel!! (ps. knowing Burke, he'll probably go for Dustin Rose with the top pick)

I don't hate him, he played pretty good hockey for the ducks he's just overpaid. My guess is Burke wasn't getting alot of interest...also there have been some whispers that he may have been distancing himself from the team, although they are just that, whispers.

I totally see the reason for Burke trading him. I just sensed a bit of hatred towards Fedorov on here.

He was good in his day, but the Anaheim contract was a retirement contract.

Most guys at that stage of his career try to get that kind of contract too. And what do you mean "he was good in his day"?. The 02-03 season with the Wings was his best overall year he had had in quite awhile. He put up decent numbers for a struggling Ducks team in 03-04 too. Why is everyone acting like this guy has nothing left in the tank? Thats what I am talking about on here. Some of you guys act like you just got rid of some worthless player. I was never a big fan of his during his Detroit days for a variety of reasons, but Fedorov is still a top notch NHL hockey player. Top notch. I would never disprespect his talent.

GONG!

Sorry, fanboys. I was referring to the last time Fedorov played with heart. And, er....fight. Fight? Whatever. Man, his hair sure does stream back from his head beautifully when he skates.

Anybody know if Tyler Wright wears a beanie during interviews?

Again, like I stated before...I am NOT a Fedorov fan.

And...again...like I said before, when he is on his game and motivated there wasnt a more dominant player in the league. 10 years ago, 8 years ago, 5 years, 3 years...you get the picture. Alot of you simply sound bitter on here. I didnt want to go down a road where I would have to say that. But it sounds like bitterness more than anything on here. He WANTED to play for your team. He took less money to do so. He had a good year for you. Now you bring in a new GM in a new financially responsible league and he has to be traded away. Nothing wrong with that, and in the long run it will benefit the Ducks. But Fedorov should atleast be treated with a tad bit more respect on here, if you ask me.

:dunno:

Again, like I stated before...I am NOT a Fedorov fan.

And...again...like I said before, when he is on his game and motivated there wasnt a more dominant player in the league. 10 years ago, 8 years ago, 5 years, 3 years...you get the picture. Alot of you simply sound bitter on here. I didnt want to go down a road where I would have to say that. But it sounds like bitterness more than anything on here. He WANTED to play for your team. He took less money to do so. He had a good year for you. Now you bring in a new GM in a new financially responsible league and he has to be traded away. Nothing wrong with that, and in the long run it will benefit the Ducks. But Fedorov should atleast be treated with a tad bit more respect on here, if you ask me.

:dunno:
Amigo, don't waste your breath here. Respect for somebody cannot happen without respecting yourself and that could be hard for some fans.
For me personally, not seeing Feds any longer in this ridiculous eggplant colors is a reason for celebration. Besides, Wings games against Columbus will be much more interesting...

Besides, Wings games against Columbus will be much more interesting...

Finally.

And...again...like I said before, when he is on his game and motivated there wasnt a more dominant player in the league.

Can't argue with that.

But Fedorov should atleast be treated with a tad bit more respect on here, if you ask me.

...because, when he feels like it, he's good.

Look no one is going to look at this thing and say player for player it is a fair deal. But this is the "New" NHL where salary overpowers the value of the player.

Let's be honest we got crap back in the deal. Nothing of note. A prospect would have been nice, it would have been easier to deal with after the initial shock of the deal. But the way I see it Burke had one opportunity, an opportunity he figured as I do that wasn't going to come again. An opportunity to free ourselves of 6 million over the next 3 years.

Add to this the fact that there is a large group of solid free agents next season and we free ourselves of other salaries(Sykora comes to mind) makes it an easier deal for me to understand.

Burke hates everything guys like Fedorov and Sykora represent, tons of skill and seemingly no fight or hart. Again making the deal easier to understand.

Now finally I can make sense of keeping Getzlaf and Perry in the NHL we just freed up another spot for them to have some solid minutes.

This trade hurts us in the shortrun(although we played well without Feds for much the season) but will free us to really power up and have options we wouldn;t have had for the next three years if we would have kep Feds here.
well

when I swung by just before the season started and suggested that the ducks were in cap trouble and they might make a move to reduce the problem--I got lynched

well

when I swung by just before the season started and suggested that the ducks were in cap trouble and they might make a move to reduce the problem--I got lynched

Well you can pat yourself on the back now for being a fickin genius.

lol

Frink, think you hit it dead on, no need repeating.

Duck's future looks better today.

If Federov ever plays like he used to, yeah we lose big time, but my money is that he keeps coasting.

Great move by Anaheim. Fedorov has been mediocre at best in the last 5 yrs or so. Burke clears major cap room. I stil think they should trade Sykora. Too many RWs on this team. Especially with Bobby Ryan on the way.

I think this trade was a good idea too, Im astounded by all the stupidity around here.

Did they see Federov putting up numbers and winning us games?

Have you seen anyone in a Ducks' uniform "putting up numbers and winning us games" this year? I've got mixed feelings about letting Fedorov go, but he was our leading scorer in 2003-2004 and our biggest problem this year seems to be---if you'll pardon the tiresome cliche---"putting the biscuit in the basket".

I totally see the reason for Burke trading him. I just sensed a bit of hatred towards Fedorov on here.

I'm a Ducks fan who still thinks that Fedorov has plenty of talent left. His motivation, at times, is questionable. The reason for trading him is plain and simple: Burke just freed-up almost $18 mil under the salary cap. [Almost $6 mil per season: Fed's contract - (Wright's + Beachemin's)].

It wouldn't surprise me a bit if Fedorov does very well in Columbus. After the initial shock of the trade---and the Ducks' fans (understandable) emotional reaction to it---wares off, the only way to fairly evaluate the trade is to see what Burke does with the money he saved---not only immediately, but in next year's Free Agency frenzy, too.

Well you can pat yourself on the back now for being a fickin genius.

"fickin genius"? Well stated Professor Fink.

Great move by Anaheim. Fedorov has been mediocre at best in the last 5 yrs or so. Burke clears major cap room. I stil think they should trade Sykora. Too many RWs on this team. Especially with Bobby Ryan on the way.

I cant speak for 03-04 when he played for you guys. But Fedorov was NEVER mediocre in any of the seasons he played in Detroit. Of course, the whole motivated thing came into play occasionally. But for the most part, he was a great, great player for the Wings right up until he left.

So 5 years of mediocrity? No. You apparently didnt see him play enough before he came to Anaheim.

I'm not going to be someone who complains about Fedorov on his way out. I enjoyed watching him play and his mediocre was as good if not better than anyone on the team trying their hardest at the time. Of course when he was into it he could dominate and make plays that boggle the mind. Bottom line is that as good as he is/was his contract is a severe burden and I am happy it is off the books as it gives the team leverage to pursue other avenues.

I totally see the reason for Burke trading him. I just sensed a bit of hatred towards Fedorov on here.
I think Burke is just trying to start from scratch and put the team in his mold, the niedermayer signing was the start, trading for moen, fedoruk, and brennan was the next phase...If nothing is done this year my guess is he is saving that money to go after Richards or something.

Again, like I stated before...I am NOT a Fedorov fan.

And...again...like I said before, when he is on his game and motivated there wasnt a more dominant player in the league. 10 years ago, 8 years ago, 5 years, 3 years...you get the picture. Alot of you simply sound bitter on here. I didnt want to go down a road where I would have to say that. But it sounds like bitterness more than anything on here. He WANTED to play for your team. He took less money to do so. He had a good year for you. Now you bring in a new GM in a new financially responsible league and he has to be traded away. Nothing wrong with that, and in the long run it will benefit the Ducks. But Fedorov should atleast be treated with a tad bit more respect on here, if you ask me.

:dunno:
I'm not sure he wanted to play for this team, alot of speculation is he just wanted to live in the area...I think his prolonged groin injury was the last straw, as jason marshall is playing with a broken nose, Keith Carney is banged up, so is todd fedoruk but fedorov took a month to game back which was originally diagnosed as a 'minor groin pull'...who knows what the truth is.

I'm not going to be someone who complains about Fedorov on his way out. I enjoyed watching him play and his mediocre was as good if not better than anyone on the team trying their hardest at the time. Of course when he was into it he could dominate and make plays that boggle the mind. Bottom line is that as good as he is/was his contract is a severe burden and I am happy it is off the books as it gives the team leverage to pursue other avenues.

:clap:

Thats more like it. Good post.