Fedorov to CLB

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/article.jsp?content=20051115_175738_5604

oh my god what a ****ing ripoff.

tyler wright?

I have no faith in Burke now.

For Ducks sake I hope Burke is pulling the trigger on another trade...

Wow.

wow is right...We stole him from you guys. Put him inbetween Vyborny and Zherdev. That could be dangerous, and then when Nasher gets back. Lets hope this fixes things on BJ's end.

I'm speechless right now.

(cue duck PA guy...)

ALRIGHT MIGHTY DUCKS FANS.... YOU'RE ON A BRIAN BURKE SALLLLLLLLLLLLARY DUMP!!!!!!!!!!!

I have faith in Burke, hopefully something else is coming. However if not then we have some serious offensive problems, even more so than now.

Aw shucks, guys. It'll be okay.

So, how are the breweries out here?

What's next? Scott Niedermayer for John Erskine and David Oliver?

This trade made sense..... 3 months ago. We could have kept Rucch and Leclerc and had some wiggle room to get another C or LW. Now this pretty much blows up the entire season 20 games in unless he has something up his sleeve I don't know about. You know, I'll probably get flamed to hell and back for this, but man is this ever a case of "be careful what you wish for". We thought Disney was a horrid ownership group (and rightfully so), but they'd never make rash, snap decisions like this for fear of the P.R. backlash. Now we've got a megalomanical GM and an owner who knows so little about hockey he just lets said GM do whatever he wants, like make a roster of all RWs, and hire a coach who enjoys shuffling the lines at random so there's never any continuity. It all just screams to me of giving up on this year and hoping he can fix all the problems next offseason.

GP

Ups, Anaheim didn't get much for Fedorov. At least a good prospect should be thrown in there but Wright and 7th defenseman? :shakehead

Federov is through, you guys got lucky to get ride of him and his salary.

I have faith in Burke, hopefully something else is coming. However if not then we have some serious offensive problems, even more so than now.
Yeah, there has to be some reason for this other than to just get rid of Feds. Burke better have something else up his sleeve.

all I can say is Oh My God...Im a Kings fan and I feel sorry for the Ducks....what was Burke thinking!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

yes indeed something else is comming, a race for kessel


by all means this means i think he wants to rebuild, i duno why Sn signed there now, he thought he was gonna win in anaheim with his brother but now, hah, he probably wishes he took less to go elsewhere inless he doesnt wanna win a cup this year and just play with his brother as the number 1 reason.

Next i bet sykora is dealt away soon

Wright was claimed in the expansion draft by the BJ's and that other guy they got off waiver's from the Canadiens... Burke had better have another deal up his sleeve, but if(when) he makes another deal I think this team is going to be totally different. I wouldn't call ANYBODY safe. Burke sounds like a real snake at this point, it almost seems like is changing the roster just for the sake of changing it.

Didn't he just tell Fedorov he wasn't going anywhere a few days ago?

Anybody have updated salary cap info after this deal? I'm assuming we have all kinds of breathing room. Too bad we don't have a number one center :madfire:

Burke better have something else up his sleeve.

No doubt, he just saved a lot of money on his car insurance by switching to GEICO.

Burke must be the worst gm in the league. never developed anyone in Vancouver. traded a 2nd rounder for Fedoruk, let Prospal go for a 2nd rounder and now this.
When i saw Federov was traded across the bottom line i figured it was for Zherdev or Brule or atleast a prospect not the scrubs that went for him. Wow

Sorry guys.

You're just lucky Jody Shelley wasn't asked for as well.

I think Burke is going to go after Allison.

Say your goodbyes to Sykora, I bet he's next.

I don't know what is worse for the Ducks. This trade or seeing Vaclav Prospal with 13 goals and 28 points. I'm surprised Burke couldn't get Jody Shelley or Brandon Sugden thrown in there.

Don't know if I've stopped laughing yet.

I think its the best think that could happen to Anaheim...

Let the guy take there place in the line up....Let try for Kessel...And they will have a lot of salary cap at the end of the year to sign some very good free agent....good think

Burke must be the worst gm in the league. never developed anyone in Vancouver. traded a 2nd rounder for Fedoruk, let Prospal go for a 2nd rounder and now this.
When i saw Federov was traded across the bottom line i figured it was for Zherdev or Brule or atleast a prospect not the scrubs that went for him. Wow

A)Burke made out very well in the Fedoruk trade. I'd easily do that one over and over again.
B)Al Coates made the Prospal trade.



As for the trade, wow. Burke got ripped off, but at least we aren't in cap hell, anymore. Another good thing is that we were on that huge winning streak without Feds, so we can win without him.

But yeah, Burke needs to make another move to complement this. His comment about re-investing that money tells me he might just do that. The only thing I could think of, though, is dealing for a guy like Chris Drury or Jason Allison.

Burke must be the worst gm in the league. never developed anyone in Vancouver. traded a 2nd rounder for Fedoruk, let Prospal go for a 2nd rounder and now this.
When i saw Federov was traded across the bottom line i figured it was for Zherdev or Brule or atleast a prospect not the scrubs that went for him. Wow
I wish.

I still think Burke goes after Allison.

Sorry guys.

You're just lucky Jody Shelley wasn't asked for as well.

I think Burke is going to go after Allison.

Say your goodbyes to Sykora, I bet he's next.

Why would Sykora go? Burke isn't mailing it in, he's clearing cap room, thus ending any reason why he, or Ruslan Salei, or any other high-priced salary would be traded.

hmm after thinking about it, i'm not as mad as I was, But I am still pissed at the return.

In summary:

I'm fine with him trading Fedorov, as far as i'm concerned he hasn't lived up to his contract. With that said, the return was absolutely brutal.

and with Ozo coming back we have like 25 guys and about 8 dmen.

yes indeed something else is comming, a race for kessel


by all means this means i think he wants to rebuild, i duno why Sn signed there now, he thought he was gonna win in anaheim with his brother but now, hah, he probably wishes he took less to go elsewhere inless he doesnt wanna win a cup this year and just play with his brother as the number 1 reason.

Next i bet sykora is dealt away soon
No the team isn't bad enough to win Kessel, it's in between. the team played very well without him, I think Getzlafs play, as well as Konopkas was a major factor.

pure salary dump, you guys got rid of 4 seasons of a what is it? $50 million contract? either way... a lot. and I don't think he has that much left in him, although prob next season will be good. Only thing is basically getting no-one in return at all, proving it was a salary dump but holy **** NONTHING in return. and threw in a fifth rounder on top of it??????

Dont start completely doubting the offence though, although weak, look at my team ,the oilers.... much better???

perry and getslaf are keepers

A)Burke made out very well in the Fedoruk trade. I'd easily do that one over and over again.
B)Al Coates made the Prospal trade.



As for the trade, wow. Burke got ripped off, but at least we aren't in cap hell, anymore. Another good thing is that we were on that huge winning streak without Feds, so we can win without him.

But yeah, Burke needs to make another move to complement this. His comment about re-investing that money tells me he might just do that. The only thing I could think of, though, is dealing for a guy like Chris Drury or Jason Allison.


Im not sure if a 4 game winning streak can be called huge. I do think another deal is in the works....one doesnt just give up on a season this early(especially when yur 2 point out of a playoff spot) I can see Allison in a Ducks uni..that should really spice up the Kings/Ducks games at least.

Burke has something up his sleeve. I too think that he might be after Allison, but wonder what he'll have to give up for that!

Oh man I really do hope Burke does acquire Allison, just so that we could see Dustin Brown finish the job.

Dont start completely doubting the offence though, although weak, look at my team ,the oilers.... much better???




Ummm the Oilers aren't very good.

Oh man I really do hope Burke does acquire Allison, just so that we could see Dustin Brown finish the job.
I think it would happen too.

A)Burke made out very well in the Fedoruk trade. I'd easily do that one over and over again.

I seriously hope you are kidding

Why would Sykora go? Burke isn't mailing it in, he's clearing cap room, thus ending any reason why he, or Ruslan Salei, or any other high-priced salary would be traded.
And you know this how? How do you know his plan or orders aren't to just mail it in and deal the guys he doesn't like? He's been doing it, who's to say it stops now? I could see Sykora and Ozolinch being dealt as well.

I still think Burke goes after Allison.
Why Allison?

:biglaugh:
I know it's because of the CBA and all that but man, did you guys get ripped.

I seriously hope you are kidding

Why? Because I'd rather have a terrible 2nd rounder, who will be doubtful to make the NHL, over a very good enforcer who is proving he can do more than fight.

Fedoruk has been put on a line with Andy McDonald and Teemu Selanne, two of the faster Ducks, and hasn't looked one bit out of place. He has 7 points in 16 games, good enough for a pace of around 35. I'd much rather have that than a guy who may or may not play a game in this league.

So yeah, I'd do that trade over, and over, and over again. In fact, out of all Brian Burke's trades as Anaheim GM, this Fedorov one is the only one I wouldn't make. And if Burke can do something with this trade, who knows, I might change my mind on that one.

I seriously hope you are kidding
Fedoruk has 7 points, provides physical play, can skate and fights. Yeah I really wish we had that euro goalie.

If it was a pure salary dump, Burke should have just taken the best draft pick package he could have got in return. *Not* give up a pick as well, just to get two scrubs back.

At least a draft pick gets you some potential down the road.

Why Allison?
More so his type a player. It was just a guess on my part. I could see Burke wanting Allison as his #1 center more than Fedorov.

Doesn't NJ have to dump salary? Perhaps they move to get some of S. Nied's old buddies?

Burke must be the worst gm in the league. never developed anyone in Vancouver. traded a 2nd rounder for Fedoruk, let Prospal go for a 2nd rounder and now this.
When i saw Federov was traded across the bottom line i figured it was for Zherdev or Brule or atleast a prospect not the scrubs that went for him. Wow

It's hard to defend Burke in this trade. For the sake of accuracy, though, it was Burke's predecessor who "let Prospal go for a 2nd rounder". In light of the fact that the Second Rounder turned out to be Mikkelson, that deal doesn't look too bad.

Before I go ballistic, though, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. There must be a reason Burke felt compelled to "clear" so much cap room. Otherwise, this one totally defies logic. For the record, I like Tyler Wright, but, obviously, he could've been acquired a lot cheaper.

BTW, can anyone figure out why the Ducks had to throw in the 5th-round pick?

And you know this how? How do you know his plan or orders aren't to just mail it in and deal the guys he doesn't like? He's been doing it, who's to say it stops now? I could see Sykora and Ozolinch being dealt as well.

The Ducks are a .500 team, and it's not even 20 games into the season. No .500 teams mail it in when they haven't even hit the quarter mark. His comments about re-investing that money also tell me the Ducks will remain competitive.

Sykora and Ozo might be dealt, but only because they haven't been worth their check thus far into the season.

It's hard to defend Burke in this trade. For the sake of accuracy, though, it was Burke's predecessor who "let Prospal go for a 2nd rounder". In light of the fact that the Second Rounder turned out to be Mikkelson, that deal doesn't look too bad.

Before I go ballistic, though, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. There must be a reason Burke felt compelled to "clear" so much cap room. Otherwise, this one totally defies logic. For the record, I like Tyler Wright, but, obviously, he could've been acquired a lot cheaper.

BTW, can anyone figure out why the Ducks had to throw in the 5th-round pick?
I'm waiting for a conference call or something...

Hey, KingUgly, [edited for personal attack] Do you remember the Ducks 4 game winning streak this year? Was Federov playing in any of those games? No. Plus, Federov is getting up there in age, and being that thus far he been underproductive, why keep him?

McDonald was bumped down to the bottom two lines with his return anyways. So, with his departure, you have McDonald back to the top two lines. I don't buy either those who give Lupul excuses for not scoring as much cause Federov was out so much. BIG DEAL! He is an NHL player! He has to be productive to earn his salary! Nobody is gonna cry for me if I don't pass the bar exam in a couple of years after going to law school. I have to work my *** off to get there. And so, I expect the same from him. I expect the production to be there.

Plus, Federov is going to a nothing team. He won't even be a threat to the Ducks this year. One player the Ducks got in return was Tyler Wright. This guy sort of reminds me of Mike Lecrec, in that he almost had a twenty goal season a couple of years ago. We could probably use him on the third line to score some ugly goals. And then we got a 25 year old defenseman, who hasn't even reached his full potential yet.

I think, as a Kings fan, you need to be worried about how to beat the Ducks next time a round, and not about Federov...cause...it won't be easy for you to beat them. They will have Ozolinsh back, Perry healthy...and will sure give you a run for your money in the division. I see the Ducks finishing the year in first place in the division at the end of the year, as long as they win the games they need to against their divisional opponents. And no, this isn't the usual me...to sound so pissed off. But, I guess it is the competitor in me.

all I can say is Oh My God...Im a Kings fan and I feel sorry for the Ducks....what was Burke thinking!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Why? Because I'd rather have a terrible 2nd rounder, who will be doubtful to make the NHL, over a very good enforcer who is proving he can do more than fight.

Fedoruk has been put on a line with Andy McDonald and Teemu Selanne, two of the faster Ducks, and hasn't looked one bit out of place. He has 7 points in 16 games, good enough for a pace of around 35. I'd much rather have that than a guy who may or may not play a game in this league.

So yeah, I'd do that trade over, and over, and over again. In fact, out of all Brian Burke's trades as Anaheim GM, this Fedorov one is the only one I wouldn't make. And if Burke can do something with this trade, who knows, I might change my mind on that one.
Alright 35 points!!! By next week, a handful of players will already have 35 points.

35 points Vs a potential impact player at a minimum salary for 3 years? Second rounders are even more vaulable in a salary cap era. A second rounder for a 35 point player is a serious overpayment.

The Ducks are a .500 team, and it's not even 20 games into the season. No .500 teams mail it in when they haven't even hit the quarter mark. .
.500??

OTL are [I]losses[/u]
The Ducks are 7-7-4. 4 games under .500

Hey, KingUgly, I feel sorry for you. You see, I guess you are too much of an idiot then to see how this works out for the Ducks. Do you remember the Ducks 4 game winning streak this year? Was Federov playing in any of those games? No. Plus, Federov is getting up there in age, and being that thus far he been underproductive, why keep him?

McDonald was bumped down to the bottom two lines with his return anyways. So, with his departure, you have McDonald back to the top two lines. I don't buy either those who give Lupul excuses for not scoring as much cause Federov was out so much. BIG DEAL! He is an NHL player! He has to be productive to earn his salary! Nobody is gonna cry for me if I don't pass the bar exam in a couple of years after going to law school. I have to work my *** off to get there. And so, I expect the same from him. I expect the production to be there.

Plus, Federov is going to a nothing team. He won't even be a threat to the Ducks this year. One player the Ducks got in return was Tyler Wright. This guy sort of reminds me of Mike Lecrec, in that he almost had a twenty goal season a couple of years ago. We could probably use him on the third line to score some ugly goals. And then we got a 25 year old defenseman, who hasn't even reached his full potential yet.

I think, as a Kings fan, you need to be worried about how to beat the Ducks next time a round, and not about Federov...cause...it won't be easy for you to beat them. They will have Ozolinsh back, Perry healthy...and will sure give you a run for your money in the division. I see the Ducks finishing the year in first place in the division at the end of the year, as long as they win the games they need to against their divisional opponents. And no, this isn't the usual me...to sound so pissed off. But, I guess it is the competitor in me.
Is it really necessary to resort to personal attacks? I hope that you get banned.

Alright 35 points!!! By next week, a handful of players will already have 35 points.

35 points Vs a potential impact player at a minimum salary for 3 years? Second rounders are even more vaulable in a salary cap era. A second rounder for a 35 point player is a serious overpayment.

Todd Fedoruk is an enforcer who has 7 points thus far and does alot well. You might say second rounders are valuble, but that one was far from it. That 2nd rounder was not only pretty much a third rounder, but it was in a draft so weak that 3rd rounders were like 5th rounders. They guy he drafted with that pick would have it tough making the NHL. Very tough. What I like the most is that if the Ducks traded their 3rd rounder, 3 spots from that second, instead of the second, people wouldn't think the trade was as bad.

.500??

OTL are [I]losses[/u]
The Ducks are 7-7-4. 4 games under .500

18 points in 18 games. 2 points out of a playoff spot. They might not be exactly at .500 in your eyes(I judge W-L to see if a team is .500, as 7-7-4 is no different than 9-9), but it's not like they're in last place or anything. Minnesota and Phoenix also have played 1 more game as well.

More so his type a player. It was just a guess on my part. I could see Burke wanting Allison as his #1 center more than Fedorov.

I see Doug Weight as a more attractive target for Burke.

:biglaugh: @ the deal.

Glad I'm not a Ducks fan.

I see Doug Weight as a more attractive target for Burke.

Is he a free agent at season's end? If so, could be worth Burke's while.

The Ducks are fortunate to get rid of his contract. It's no surprise that Burke couldn't get much in return; no one should be angry. Let's wait and see what Burke does with the $4M that this frees up. He says that he intends to spend it. I, too, can see him going after someone like Allison.

Wright isn't that much of a scorer, but he has a lot of energy and will be a good example to the rest of the players. Fedorov was more an example of how one can get away with floating on the ice, which might've eventually negatively-affected the development of the team's youngsters.

I see Doug Weight as a more attractive target for Burke.
Could very well be.

Is he a free agent at season's end? If so, could be worth Burke's while.

Yeah, UFA.

His cap hit is a bit less than Fedorov, but still high (around $5.7 mil).

Yeah, UFA.

His cap hit is a bit less than Fedorov, but still high (around $5.7 mil).

As long as he's cheap, it's all good.

I'd much prefer Chris Drury, though. I'd really like it if Anaheim got him.

So yeah, I'd do that trade over, and over, and over again. In fact, out of all Brian Burke's trades as Anaheim GM, this Fedorov one is the only one I wouldn't make. And if Burke can do something with this trade, who knows, I might change my mind on that one.

As an outsider....I'm with you on that one.

Todd Fedoruk is an enforcer who has 7 points thus far and does alot well. You might say second rounders are valuble, but that one was far from it.
Don't even bother, we all know it was a good trade.

Allison is a thought. He could be had for cheap and is only on a one year deal. He would help our awfull PP, however 5 on 5 he hasn't looked very good.

Hey, KingUgly, I feel sorry for you. You see, I guess you are too much of an idiot then to see how this works out for the Ducks.


very intelligent post , wouldnt expect any less for MightyAdam! :shakehead

Why Allison?

His aim is true?

very intelligent post , wouldnt expect any less for MightyAdam! :shakehead
Your post about the Oilers was as classless/useless.

Burke must be the worst gm in the league. never developed anyone in Vancouver. traded a 2nd rounder for Fedoruk, let Prospal go for a 2nd rounder and now this.
When i saw Federov was traded across the bottom line i figured it was for Zherdev or Brule or atleast a prospect not the scrubs that went for him. Wow

Not close to being the worst GM. He is simply making the Ducks his team. He know has money to go shopping next summer.

No he didn't trade Prospal that was Al Coates. And Prospal did not fit in here. Good for him if he is lighting it up over in the East.

Again a late 2nd round pick for Fedoruk was a good trade, Fedoruk has been solid for us so far.

Ha you actually thought a 37 yr old 6 million dollar player in the salary cap world would bring a Brule or Zherdev? I actually thought Picard for half a second but not Zherdev or Brule.

The only thing I could think of, though, is dealing for a guy like Chris Drury or Jason Allison.

I'm predicting Sykora for Drury or Allison.

Ummm the Oilers aren't very good.

exactly my point, haha, you could have it worse

Why would Sykora go? Burke isn't mailing it in, he's clearing cap room, thus ending any reason why he, or Ruslan Salei, or any other high-priced salary would be traded.

because Sykora is playing like crap, he doesn't play Brian Burke style hockey, and he is overpayed.

Burke is making this his own team and Fedorov and Sykora are a couple of the players he didn't/doesn't like.

I seriously hope you are kidding

A late 2nd rd pick in a bad draft...or a young enforcer who can actually skate and make plays.

I'll take Fedoruk.

Well I don't love this trade but we all knew Fedorov or Sykora would be on the move soon and that the return wouldn't be great. I am a little surprised we couldn't get a decent prospect and 2nd rd pick for Sergei though. A grinder and a 7th d-man for Fedorov and a 5th round pick. Well we all know its a salary cap dump.

Now Burke can go shopping this summer in the UFA market and continue to build his own team.

I am glad you hold my intelligence in such high esteem. By the way, how is Bure doing this year?

very intelligent post , wouldnt expect any less for MightyAdam! :shakehead



It was not a personal attack. It was my competitive spirit taking the best of me, against a person who roots for a team the Ducks are looking to win against this year. By the way, no way I will get banned.

Is it really necessary to resort to personal attacks? I hope that you get banned.

Friggin LOL. Tyler Wright is one of the biggest diving pansies I've ever seen.

I'm predicting Sykora for Drury or Allison.

Are Regier and Ferguson retarded all of a sudden? Have they had some of what Burke is smoking?

Anyway, I don't like this trade. We didn't get enough enforcers in return.

Your post about the Oilers was as classless/useless.


what was classless about it??????
I didnt say they suck...I wasnt vulgur..I simply stated that they weren't very good...which by the way...they are not at the moment.
thanks for coming out though...

Todd Fedoruk is an enforcer who has 7 points thus far and does alot well. You might say second rounders are valuble, but that one was far from it. That 2nd rounder was not only pretty much a third rounder, but it was in a draft so weak that 3rd rounders were like 5th rounders. They guy he drafted with that pick would have it tough making the NHL. Very tough. What I like the most is that if the Ducks traded their 3rd rounder, 3 spots from that second, instead of the second, people wouldn't think the trade was as bad.



the 2nd rounder is for the 2006 draft not this past draft. Fedoruk is a decent player a dime a dozen player. A second rd pick is overpayment. Like someone said prev potential all star for a guy you can sign or acquire any time from anyone. even a 3rd pick is to much.

the 2nd rounder is for the 2006 draft not this past draft.
No it was for this past draft, 59th overall or something. The flyers took some guy, who's name we do not know because he will probably become nothing.

EDIT - The pick was then traded to Pheonix. They took a goalie who is now ranked 20th on their HF top 20.

No it was for this past draft, 59th overall or something. The flyers took some guy, who's name we do not know because he will probably become nothing.
your right, they then traded the anaheim pick for a 2nd round next year in 2006.

No it was for this past draft, 59th overall or something. The flyers took some guy, who's name we do not know because he will probably become nothing.

Yeah the pick actually ended up with Phoenix who chose Goalie Pier-Olivier Pelletier from the QMJHL.

Philadelphia traded the 59th overall pick to Phoenix for the 119th pick and a 2006 2nd rd pick.

The nice thing is we stole a better goalie from the QMJHL in the 7th round.

I think its a good move, someone had to go, we were winning without him, he wasnt doing **** AND we get rid of his massive contract.

Hypocrit? Yes I am

Defending Burke for once? Yes I am

Amused by other fan boys coming in here and laughing at this trade? Yes I am

Fedoruk is a decent player a dime a dozen player. A second rd pick is overpayment. Like someone said prev potential all star for a guy you can sign or acquire any time from anyone. even a 3rd pick is to much.

I disagree. I honestly haven't seen that many enforcers who can skate as well as Todd and make some good plays the way he has. They are actually pretty rare. I'd rather have Fedoruk than a goalie prospect who will likely become an average NHL backup or an AHLer.

It is very telling that this thread about the Fedorov trade has devolved into a discussion about what a great pickup Fedoruk was.

Defensive much?

I disagree. I honestly haven't seen that many enforcers who can skate as well as Todd and make some good plays the way he has. They are actually pretty rare. I'd rather have Fedoruk than a goalie prospect who will likely become an average NHL backup or an AHLer.
I have seen him play his whole career and he is ok just not worth a 2 IMO.
If you have a good track record at the draft like the Flyers do chances are the player will be productive or as they already have, trade that pick, pick up another pick in 2005 and a 2nd in 2006. 2 players with more potential for Todd is a good return. Well worth the risk even if they don't pan out.

been busy with work, and my friend notified me on this..
wow..
maybe Sergei got mad that he wasn't named captain.. lol
i wonder if this has been in the planning since we acquired Scott

Defensive much?
Well when fans of other teams come laughing at us, it is natural to defend our team.

Maybe if we put it this way, would anyone sign Feds next offseason for 2 years little over 12million? That is what Burke is trying to avoid, he thinks it is better spent else where, so I believe he will.

I bet this is a pre-cursor to Burke acquiring Todd Bertuzzi.

A change of scenery might be as effective for him as it has been for Heatley.

I bet this is a pre-cursor to Burke acquiring Todd Bertuzzi.

A change of scenery might be as effective for him as it has been for Heatley.

I don't think it was as much as a change of scenery that has benifitted Heatley, but more of the new rules, and ofcourse having Spezza and Alfredsson as line-mates doesn't hurt ;)

On a side note, could any of you see a Allison/Skyora swap happening?

I am glad you hold my intelligence in such high esteem. By the way, how is Bure doing this year?





It was not a personal attack. It was my competitive spirit taking the best of me, against a person who roots for a team the Ducks are looking to win against this year. By the way, no way I will get banned.
He's hurt, but what does that have to do with anything, and yes calling someone an idiot is a personal attack.

I just think it is a little ironic that as an Oiler fan you guys ripped us new a**holes when we made trade suggestions that were every bit as good or better than what you accually got for Fedorov. Karma has a way of biting you on the a** dont it.

Well when fans of other teams come laughing at us, it is natural to defend our team.

Maybe if we put it this way, would anyone sign Feds next offseason for 2 years little over 12million? That is what Burke is trying to avoid, he thinks it is better spent else where, so I believe he will.
He always overpays. We just overpaid for cap space. Next, we will overpay for Sergei's replacement.

.500??

OTL are [I]losses[/u]
The Ducks are 7-7-4. 4 games under .500
.500 means you have won .500 of the points available to you.

I bet this is a pre-cursor to Burke acquiring Todd Bertuzzi.

A change of scenery might be as effective for him as it has been for Heatley.


We'll give him to you if you send Corey Perry and Lupul. ;)

.500 means you have won .500 of the points available to you.
I know your heart's in the right place, but consider the source.

I have no faith in Burke now.
I said the same thing after Bure got traded for Jovo and draft pick (Rutuu).......

a few years later I was down on my knees worshiping his moves.....

It sucks right now, but trust me, this man knows what he is doing.....

Kings fan here.

I really hate the Ducks and pretty much laugh at your team's name every time I see it.

But...

I think this was good for your team. Fedorov was not motivated and not producing and was costing you way too much. I was bummed when he signed with you after hearing him say he wanted to come to LA, but after I saw how he played I was glad he did not sign with us.

Hopefully Burke will use the money wisely.


Like hiring a PR firm to change that stupid name :biglaugh:

I bet this is a pre-cursor to Burke acquiring Todd Bertuzzi.

A change of scenery might be as effective for him as it has been for Heatley.

I actually thought exactly that. Hopefully Bertuzzi just slept with Nonis' wife, or something, and 'ol Davey starts thinking Sykora is a massive upgrade on Bert.

I actually thought exactly that. Hopefully Bertuzzi just slept with Nonis' wife, or something, and 'ol Davey starts thinking Sykora is a massive upgrade on Bert.
Don't hold your breath....

Hey, KingUgly, I feel sorry for you. You see, I guess you are too much of an idiot then to see how this works out for the Ducks. Do you remember the Ducks 4 game winning streak this year? Was Federov playing in any of those games? No. Plus, Federov is getting up there in age, and being that thus far he been underproductive, why keep him?

McDonald was bumped down to the bottom two lines with his return anyways. So, with his departure, you have McDonald back to the top two lines. I don't buy either those who give Lupul excuses for not scoring as much cause Federov was out so much. BIG DEAL! He is an NHL player! He has to be productive to earn his salary! Nobody is gonna cry for me if I don't pass the bar exam in a couple of years after going to law school. I have to work my *** off to get there. And so, I expect the same from him. I expect the production to be there.

Plus, Federov is going to a nothing team. He won't even be a threat to the Ducks this year. One player the Ducks got in return was Tyler Wright. This guy sort of reminds me of Mike Lecrec, in that he almost had a twenty goal season a couple of years ago. We could probably use him on the third line to score some ugly goals. And then we got a 25 year old defenseman, who hasn't even reached his full potential yet.

I think, as a Kings fan, you need to be worried about how to beat the Ducks next time a round, and not about Federov...cause...it won't be easy for you to beat them. They will have Ozolinsh back, Perry healthy...and will sure give you a run for your money in the division. I see the Ducks finishing the year in first place in the division at the end of the year, as long as they win the games they need to against their divisional opponents. And no, this isn't the usual me...to sound so pissed off. But, I guess it is the competitor in me.

You really should be careful about the name calling. Funny thing, when I read your posts on the Kings board, lots of people feel like telling you to (a) shut your pie hole and (B) stop trolling. However, we just go about our business. Perhaps you should look inward before you post next time.

I'm predicting Sykora for Drury or Allison.
Salei for Allison makes sense...

by the way, wildcat48 at duckcalls says getz and perry are probably being sent down.

[QUOTE=Bobby Ryan Getzlaf] Burke isn't mailing it in, he's clearing cap room

:biglaugh: :biglaugh:

Pass the Kool Aid please

I said the same thing after Bure got traded for Jovo and draft pick (Rutuu).......

a few years later I was down on my knees worshiping his moves.....

It sucks right now, but trust me, this man knows what he is doing.....
that was a knee jerk reaction on my part, I don't hate trading fedorov..i hate what he got.

Kings fan here.

I really hate the Ducks and pretty much laugh at your team's name every time I see it.

But...

I think this was good for your team. Fedorov was not motivated and not producing and was costing you way too much. I was bummed when he signed with you after hearing him say he wanted to come to LA, but after I saw how he played I was glad he did not sign with us.

Hopefully Burke will use the money wisely.

Like hiring a PR firm to change that stupid name :biglaugh:
It's sad how Kings fans come into the anaheim section and act like kids.

[QUOTE=Bobby Ryan Getzlaf] Burke isn't mailing it in, he's clearing cap room

:biglaugh: :biglaugh:

Pass the Kool Aid please

Huh? Sergei played 5 games for the Anaheim Mighty Ducks this season. He had one assist, and they only won 1 game. Without him, they are 6-4-3, or something like that. I highly doubt that Burke thought "oh, it's 18 games into the season, and we're at about .500, but I want Kessel, so I'll trade Fedorov and his one assist to Columbus".

BTW, I read somewhere that there's "yet to be determined talent" headed this way, too. Maybe this'll get a bit better from our perspective.

It's sad how Kings fans come into the anaheim section and act like kids.
Right back at you - Vishi05 is one that comes directly to mind. Always trips over to the Kings section.

What does this have to do with Fedorov being traded? It doesn't. End this foolishness.

Jerky

God...this sucks. I wasn't crazy about Fed, but we got squat. This was a salary dump, and nothing else.

7-7-4= four games below .500? :biglaugh:

Right back at you - Vishi05 is one that comes directly to mind. Always trips over to the Kings section.

Wahhh.

Right back at you - Vishi05 is one that comes directly to mind. Always trips over to the Kings section.
Read the T.O.S

I too can see Sykora being moved to Toronto - they are clearly short on scoring wingers for their plethora of large, slow centers. Allison for Sykora? I know Sykora's flat salary is higher, but if Allison hits his incentives, Anaheim has plenty of cap space.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see Sykora sent to Washington. They have the cap space, and with Sykora being an UFA, it might make sense for them to add another scoring option to take some pressure off of Ovechkin. Even though they know they aren't going anywhere this year, the kid will be worn out by January if they can't get at least a little help.

Fedorov will always be as good as he wants to be, which is shameful.

Wahhh.
Somehow, I knew that you'd chime in! :)

I too can see Sykora being moved to Toronto - they are clearly short on scoring wingers for their plethora of large, slow centers. Allison for Sykora? I know Sykora's flat salary is higher, but if Allison hits his incentives, Anaheim has plenty of cap space.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see Sykora sent to Washington. They have the cap space, and with Sykora being an UFA, it might make sense for them to add another scoring option to take some pressure off of Ovechkin. Even though they know they aren't going anywhere this year, the kid will be worn out by January if they can't get at least a little help.

Fedorov will always be as good as he wants to be, which is shameful.
I would be ecstatic if we could get Allison for Sykora. I thought he (Sykora) was headed for a breakthrough season. Instead he's gotten considerably worse. And he wasn't that good in 03-04.

. . . by the way, wildcat48 at duckcalls says getz and perry are probably being sent down.
To be replaced by whom? Without them, we only have 13 forwards with the team (counting Wright), and I don't see Brennan and Konopka playing regularly given our lack of scoring punch.

To be replaced by whom? Without them, we only have 13 forwards with the team (counting Wright), and I don't see Brennan and Konopka playing regularly given our lack of scoring punch.
It's actually an attempt to finish dead last in scoring.

by the way, wildcat48 at duckcalls says getz and perry are probably being sent down.

hmm not sure why Getzlaf would go down there right now. Perry would make sense.

It doesn't make sense to send either of them down.

It doesn't make sense to send either of them down.

Well Perry just coming back from concussion and a little timid I could see going to Portland to get his confidence back.

Maybe Penner comes back.

He seems like a pretty confident guy.

Took a big hit to make Getzlaf's goal possible.

I don't like the return for a player of Fedorov's caliber, but he's not a 6 million dollar a year player anymore. This was a pure salary dump move by Burke. He's just clearing the way for adding some players for next summer. At first I didn't like the trade, but it could work out if Burke spends that money freed up on some FAs next summer that can improve the team. I'm in the middle on this one. Don't like it, don't hate it.

Burke admitted it was a salary dump. End of story.

And of course GM's always tell the entire story to the media.

To be replaced by whom? Without them, we only have 13 forwards with the team (counting Wright), and I don't see Brennan and Konopka playing regularly given our lack of scoring punch.
You're right, I really do not understand it. Brennan/Moen/Kunitz could rotate out of that 12/13 spot.

Burke admitted it was a salary dump. End of story.

He also said he was going to reinvest that $6 million better.

BTW, I read somewhere that there's "yet to be determined talent" headed this way, too. Maybe this'll get a bit better from our perspective.
Where did you hear this?

If we got a secound rounder that trade would make much more sense, anyway I'm glad we traded Fedorov, this team isn't going anywhere and without that salary we're free to make some moves in the next offseason.

Sykora next for another scrub or hopefully a pick. Salei another candidate to be "Next salary dump action".

We're officialy in the Phil Kessel sweepstakes.

No, we're not.

And of course GM's always tell the entire story to the media.
I can't say that I was ever a big Fedorov fan but after Burke claimed that Feds was NOT up for a trade and he had called him personally to tell him that, I'm a little stunned to hear that that is just what he did do.
Since we didn't lose anyone when we got Feds, we really don't lose anything now but a big salary.

Maybe Sergei wanted out. Maybe he felt too much pressure while he was trying to come back and felt detached from the team when he did return? It's a salary dump one way or another but the only thing about it that puzzles me is the extra d-man we now have. Couldn't we get another forward, we have plenty of d-men unless that means someone else is on the outs. Which is kind of silly because it's still so early in the season and we should not already be dumping talent and looking forward to next year.

Also, sending Getzlaf and Perry down right now would be stupid. We NEED these guys now more than ever. Burke more or less has told them with this move that they need to step up because they, along with Teemu, Andy and Lupes are our only real weapons right now. Sykora is streaking and always has been but he'll come around. Hopefully he feels the pressure of also being a salary dump and picks up his game. As long as Jiggy is still in the net, Carney, Nieds, Vish and Rusty on the blueline, and the forwards I just mentioned are still on this team, we'll be fine.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see Sykora sent to Washington.

Then they'd have BOTH Petr Sykora's!

"There continues to be some talk that Anaheim Mighty Ducks GM Brian Burke may try to move center Sergei Fedorov once he returns from injury. There's been nothing in the local media about this and Burke refuses to comment, but if Fedorov were shopped his $6.08 million salary for this season would make him a tough sell."


--- Spector on October 26.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/5027574 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/5027574)


Same article observes: "The club [Devils] must free up around $4 million in salary once forward Patrik Elias is ready to return to the lineup, but the paper suggests he may not be ready to do so until December.

In addition to Kozlov, forwards Alexander Mogilny, Sergei Brylin and Jamie Langenbrunner have also been suggested as trade possibilities. The Post suggested defenseman Vladimir Malakhov's poor play and salary might also make him a prime trade candidate."

Know anybody with $4 million to spend?

i feel sorry for you Duck fans. correct me if im wrong, he got rid of Rucchin, a Guy that has been with the Ducks since day one, got rid of him for nothing.

Does the same with Fedorov. He trades one of the best 2way players in the world, a 10 time NHL all star, world class player for a 4th liner? No offence to Tyler Wright. A 3rd line center on that team is equivalent to a 4th liner, or a5th line fringe player. If im gonna Trade Sergei Fedorov I expect to get more then a 4th line player in return. Its a Salary dump, doesent mean you give him away for next to nothing? He could have gotten way more for Fedorov especially if Burke made it offical that Fedorov is on the block. I bet anyone that, within those numerous offers, someone would come up with a better offer then Tyler Wright. Teams in that division is :yo: :handclap: and :biglaugh: and Burke and the Ducks.

When Brian Burke was not renewed a contract, fans were not disapointed. They were rather quite happy that hes gone. Yes Hes improved the Canucks from a 48 point team to a 100 point team, but man, alot of that has to do with luck. Alot of trades fans were not happy about, and were pissed about.

for eg, in 2000, he trades Brad May to Phoenix for a 7th round pick. under pressure to do his job and do something In 2003 trade deadline he reacquires Brad May for a **** ing 3rd round pick. What the logic in that? WE all know 2003 is one of the best draft years in decades, and he trades a 3rd round pick for him, when at first he trades him away for a 7th round pick. Mike Barnet is probably laughing at his face.

He trades R.J Umberger because he demanded first round money. Burke Refused to give him what he deserves. Trades him and another solid prospect Martin Grenier for Rucinsky, which ends up back in New York. The Asset of R.J Umberger got us nothing.

overall im glad Burke is outa vancouver. Even down the road if the Ducks are a 100 point team, he will do some ***** to make you hate him. oh btw, Ducks owe Nucks a draft pick for picking up Randy Carlye. Anyone know what round the pick is in?

Burke for a guy that loves to trade his 2nd round picks, heres a strange one.
He had a chance to get Mikka Kippursoff. Sharks makes the offer something like a draft pick, and a conditional draft pick or something if Kippursoff plays x amont of games. Burke rejects offer, because hes too chicken sh i t to give up another pick. Calgary accepts the offer. What we saw, it was Calgary trades a 2nd round pick for Mikka Kippursoff. and then... well.... you know what happens......

Chances are, he might give Sykora away for next to nothing. I wont be surprised.

I already commented this trade at the main trade forum so I'll just ask whether moderators are planning to do something about all these trolling Kings fans or not?

I already commented this trade at the main trade forum so I'll just ask whether moderators are planning to do something about all these trolling Kings fans or not?

If you see someone breaking the rules, you should PM a Moderator. I didn't get home from work until 7:30 last night and only got a chance to scroll some of the comments before going to sleep. Prof and I can't read through every post when there are hundreds.

I didn't mean to blame you for preventing it because it's impossible, I just hope that certain Kings fans will be let known that their trolling is getting boring.

I think Burke made a terrific deal here.Cash is king and Burke has money to add players who fit his image.Not just for this season but in the future

This is a great deal. I can't believe we found a team dumb enough to take on his salary. The difference between Feds and Sykora is that we were committed to Feds beyond this year. Not anymore, and hooray for that.

Were we playing any better with Feds in the lineup? Did he ever give any indication of wanting to be here? No and no. Did we just free up something like $5 million in cap space? Yes. Thank you, Douggie Mac. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

B.J. fans, enjoy the head sock.

Some folks are so silly. After about a 10 second delayed reaction from shock of who they got back for the HOF'er, every Duck fan should realize that this puts us in great shape financially to do something next offseason especially with the age of Free Agency now at about 12 years old. Contrary to what people are saying on here, Burke is not making this trade to acquire more dead salary in the form of Weight or Allison, he is freeing up money to take a run at a 25-29 year old big time free agent that cannot get action elsewhere in this new salary structure.

Saved 5 mil of cap space? Now continue to enjoy paying 8+ mils for the Nieds brothers.

I'm not paying it silly, Samueli is. I could never come up with that much scratch.

Some folks are so silly. After about a 10 second delayed reaction from shock of who they got back for the HOF'er, every Duck fan should realize that this puts us in great shape financially to do something next offseason especially with the age of Free Agency now at about 12 years old. Contrary to what people are saying on here, Burke is not making this trade to acquire more dead salary in the form of Weight or Allison, he is freeing up money to take a run at a 25-29 year old big time free agent that cannot get action elsewhere in this new salary structure.
I am enjoying that he's gone, I'm just annoyed at the return and Burke's obsession with certain kinds of players. I am also dreading the return of Wetcoaster.

Only thing that sucks is that guys like Marleau, Thornton and Lecavalier are off the market for next year after signing long term deals. I would think however that guys like Ryan Smyth or Wade Redden would be Burke type guys he may covet next offseason provided the cap money freed up is still available.

The loss of Sykora, Salei, and Carney should provide us the room to do something like that. Plus, whoever is coming in as a replacement.

Jesus, It took three pages of knee-jerk reactions to get to some sanity. moneyp and 10.16.1974 absolutely nail it. This is the NHL of a few seasons ago, and it definitely isn't NHL2006. This is all about money, and its a pretty solid move. In this cap environment, if you have a $6 mil (or whatever it is) player underperforming, AND the team shows that it can function fine without the guy, AND you're lucky enough to find someone willing to take him off your hands, you do so! Its not pretty, and its not fun to play around with the lines afterwards, but it makes great financial sense.

Now Burke can respond to opportunities as they arise. Should a Weight, or Allison, or Drury, or someone else become available, he can now act on it. He can pick up a guy who fits the team's mould. I was initially in disbelief, but if you look at the situation the team was in, and the situation this move puts us in now, I can't fault BB for making it.

I could care less about Fedorov getting traded, all that talent he supposedly has never made a difference in Anaheim. And he killed the cap. We're not talking about 6 million. We're talking about 18 million and two years beyond this one for a past-his-prime player.

With that said, I'm more interested in what else Burke is going to do.

From the OCR (link) (http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/abox/article_771482.php):

With their cap figure now at about $33.5million, the Ducks are in position to add at least another player or two, likely in short order.

"We intend to reinvest this money," Burke said. "We intend to spend at or near the cap, less an adequate reserve for injuries. When you're reshaping your team and make a major move, if you're going to do more than one thing, it makes sense to do it quickly. Bringing three or four or five players in over a 10-day period is preferable over a 60-day period."

"We intend to reinvest this money," Burke said. "We intend to spend at or near the cap, less an adequate reserve for injuries. When you're reshaping your team and make a major move, if you're going to do more than one thing, it makes sense to do it quickly. Bringing three or four or five players in over a 10-day period is preferable over a 60-day period."
"Bert! Bert! Bert!"

I think they should have gave Fed a shot, it took a while for him to start scoring 2 yrs ago, but hey things happen for a reason

"Bert! Bert! Bert!"
He's big enough to be considered "three or four or five players" by himself I guess.

I hope Burke does not go out and get Bertuzzi.

1) He has not been near the same since the incident

2) He makes $5.2 million

We'd be on the hook for about $4mil for the rest of the year, or right back where we started in other words.

I don't think he'll do that. A guy like Burke craves cap space and I don't think he'll saddle us down with a big contract for a guy who has not played like his old self in quite sometime. I'll take Ryan Smyth for 2 years/7 million though. Pile on the expiring contracts like Sykora and you've got some nice space to work with. I'd rather take the shorter mid range contracts that give you flexibility should the move not pay dividends within the 1st couple seasons.

I hope Burke does not go out and get Bertuzzi.

1) He has not been near the same since the incident

Don't know if you've noticed, but he's caught fire lately. Looks like his old self.

2) He makes $5.2 million

That's the deal killer.

Man, I could care less about how this frees up space next year. Screw next year, I want this team to be good this year. Sergei is a great player but everybody only judges him by his contract. So he might not be worth 6.08 mil but who cares? We don't pay his salary. I enjoyed having him on this team. Last season he was far and away our best player but his numbers weren't up to his standards so now he sucks. Well I'm sorry but going from one the best teams of the past decade to a rebuilding small market team might have that affect. He wasn't going to be one the leagues leading scorers this year but he was sure going to be our best player. Oh well, since everyone is so concerned with dollars and cents this will make everyone happy. I can't wait to hear everyone's reaction when Sergei is tearing it up in Columbus and we are still scoring 1 goal a game.

These trades are going to become common place in the NHL.

Freeing up 6 mill in salary wont come cheap.

Wow... i love when a thread goes so off topic, there are more posts about fedoruk than federov.... lol...

My primary concern when i heard about the deal wasn't our return, but if we were paying any of federov's salary, looks like not, so I'm ok with the deal.

18 over 3 years on 35 year old center on retirement contract... do you really think federov was interested in bringing a stanley cup to anaheim? come on... He's still a great player, but we could do so much more with that money... we should be counting our blessing on this...

And its just silly to complain about the return, i'm suprised we got wright... he actually is a servicable player (unlike gilles)...

ducks fans, calm down guys, a salary dump isn't meant to bring you a great player in return, this isn't a public fantasy league...

Federov for Wright, bum, and 4.5 million cap sapce this year, 6 million in 2007, 6million in 2008... be thankful.

I liked our team before Federov came back to the lineup... we may not have a roster that is "Stanley cup" capable, but we just did a major re-investment in our future... Now we can focus the team on a 3-5 year plan instead 1-3 year plan, and we have enough cap space ot remain competitive this year. As the year goes along, we have more and more options, since we'd be taking on less salary.

This move is great for a great number of other reason too.

1) Wakes up the team that is in a slump
2) Send message to players, produce!!! Anyone is available (except probably nieds bros, and young kids)
3) we have money to resign guys like carney, salei, sykora, mcdonald, etc.
4) we have money for the offseason
5) we have money for other team's salary dumps (i.e. weight)
6) get rid of guy who taking major ice time, not producing, and not motivating

Honestly, if we end up getting weight for a bum and he's off the books after this year, isn't this deal a steal?

And no, I don't want Allison, the guy is done, especially at the cost of sykora. He's too slow for the new NHL.

Sykora isn't tearing up scoring but he's our best option for the power play right now. Problem with him is he's horrible along the boards so you need to put him on a line with someone who can fish the puck out for him... thats it...

I can't wait to hear everyone's reaction when Sergei is tearing it up in Columbus.

You mean his groin?

Lol

wow the new nhl eh ? what a joke the days of trades are done. and the funny thing is as a gm in the "new nhl" its a smart move lets forget about icing a competetive team lets just crunch some numbers cause thats whats important in the new nhl!!! the worst thing ever for hockey mr (and i use that term loosely) Gary Bettman !!!
congrats bettman look what youve done to the game

didn't see this posted...from burkes conference call

Q: Understanding what you said about any moves that might be coming, might be soon, might not be soon, would your preference be to do something else pretty quickly to add to this team, or do you feel like what you have is good enough to get the job done and afford to be real patient?

Brian Burke:

I think when you’re reshaping a team and making a major move, I think if you can do more than one thing quickly, it’s better. If you’re trying to bring new people in, bring in three or four or five new guys in a seven to ten day period is preferable than bringing them in over a sixty day period. But that being said, we’re going to have to wait and see what happens.

interesting.

wow the new nhl eh ? what a joke the days of trades are done. and the funny thing is as a gm in the "new nhl" its a smart move lets forget about icing a competetive team lets just crunch some numbers cause thats whats important in the new nhl!!! the worst thing ever for hockey mr (and i use that term loosely) Gary Bettman !!!
congrats bettman look what youve done to the game

Lets not overlook that Burke is trying to clean up a mess created with pre-cap contracts. Contracts given out by other GMs no less.

There will obviously be a transition period from the old to the new system in which these types of deals are much more common. My hope is that as GMs adjust in how they give out big contracts this will become less of a problem.

as a kings fan, i'm very disapointed about this trade....the Ducks would have been pretty bad, and inflexible for years....but now, they unload what might be the worst contract in the NHL....so its a good trade for the Ducks

And i also agree that Fedoruk was worth the 2nd....guys like him are rare, and stats dont determine his true value

as a kings fan, i'm very disapointed about this trade....the Ducks would have been pretty bad, and inflexible for years....but now, they unload what might be the worst contract in the NHL....so its a good trade for the Ducks

And i also agree that Fedoruk was worth the 2nd....guys like him are rare, and stats dont determine his true value
Yeah but we could've had that Q goalie.

Burke was just on That's Hockey on TSN.


Basically said the Feds trade was because they got into cap trouble. He then said they are looking to re-invest the money in another body. Then McKenzie asked if that means next season or right now...to which Burke replied "We're shopping now."

and then, he ate a baby.

I can't wait to hear everyone's reaction when Sergei is tearing it up in Columbus and we are still scoring 1 goal a game.

We were scoring 1 goal a game with him it can't get much worse.

Sergei won't be tearing it up in Columbus, he will be solid for them but no All-Star.

and then, he ate a baby.
I hope he put lots of bbq sauce on it.

What's next? Scott Niedermayer for John Erskine and David Oliver?
Hahahahaha :biglaugh:

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So who's getting Fedorov's 'A'? Carney?