"If I Were Brian Burke, I'd . . . "

This thread was prompted by some of the comments in the threads about the past two Ducks' games. Obviously, everybody on this board is frustrated and upset about the way the Ducks have been playing. Several suggestions have been offered, but I see flaws in most of them. I'll tell what I think is the problem with most of the standard "fixes" that have been proposed. Please post what specific steps you would take to fix the Ducks if you were the GM. Thanks.

Some of the Proposals that Have Been Offered:

1. Trade Sykora and/or Salei. Rationale: neither one has been particularly productive, each would have some value to "the right team(s)" and merely by virtue of trading a couple of guys, it might "wake the team up".

Problem(s): Neither one has particularly high trade value at this time. Both will be UFAs at the end of the season. In the new era of the salary cap, both are well paid (which, of course, is a liability).

Some have suggested waited until the Trading Deadline. While their value may increase at that time, I still see at least four problems with that line of thought: (1) the Ducks need to do something to get off the dime ASAP. If we waituntil the Trading Deadline, it will probably be too late; (2) if we're trading decent players at the Deadline, we will, by definition, be out of playoff contention. Not only is that thought painful, but the very reason all of us want to make some changes is to avoid that possibility; (3) at the deadline, depending upon their value (as well as the acquiring team's sense of desperation), established players tend to go for prospects and/or picks. (4) Since neither of these guys is a star-calibre player and, more importantly, since they're both impending UFAs, the quality of the prospects and/or picks they'll command is mediocre at best. (5) We have a nice bunch of prospects. Is there any need to pad the depth of prospects. (6) Salei has been here (Anaheim) longer than anyone. The team already has a "boatload" of new faces. Do we need to anger some fans and bring in more new faces?

Yes, trading one or both of them will free up some "cap space", but that won't effect us until next year. While we always should be aware of the future, this thread is about "righting the ship" as soon as possible.

2. Fire Randy Carlyle. Sure, it's always convenient to blame it on the coach. But (1) it's way too premature to fire the coach, (2) this is Brian Burke's guy and (3) what exactly is he doing wrong? Mike Babcock looked like a genius in 2002-2003. And, he looks like a genius now. But Babcock's 2003-2004 team was a lot worse than this one. Is he a great coach, a terrible coach or, like most coaches, does he sink or swim based on the performance of his players?

3. (This is a variant of No. 2, above.) Establish some permanent line combinations and don't tinker with them.

Problem: The reason Carlyle is constantly fiddling with the line combinations is either because (1) none of them really has proven to be effective or (2) injuries have mandated some of the changes. No one can do anything about the latter. With respect to the former, Carlyle is damned-if-he-does and damned-if-he-doesn't. If he doesn't change lines and the team continues to have no scoring ability, everyone says, "What's wrong with him? Why doesn't he try something different?"

I suggest that the reason Carlyle is tinkering with the line combinations is because none of the combinations proven to be very effective yet.

4. As Jerky suggested, the team is "snakebitten". There are times, for wholly inexplicable reasons, the puck just won't go in the net. Sometimes, time changes this. Other times, a catalyst is required.

5. Make a trade just to "shake things up". My level of frustration is so high that this one has some appeal. Problem is, it just ain't that easy in the new, salary-cap era. If you have some ideas about a viable trade (or trades), post them. Remember, you've got to take all of the following variables into account: (1) The player(s)' UFA status; (2) The Salary Cap; (3) the proposed acquiring team's needs; (4) the acquiring team's Salary-Cap status; (5)our needs; and (6) why would the other team (i) want to make the proposed deal (ii) at this time?

They should trade Sykora for a LW to balance the lines better. Sykora for Jochen Hecht maybe or something like that. Obvisouly you may have to eat some of the salary but if they want to make the playoffs, they need to do a trade now.

6. Retire and plead for a job in Vancouver's organization.

The chances of Burke firing Carlyle are extremely slim. He went out and chose this guy he is kind of stuck with him. Add in the fact that he gave up a third round pick to Vancouver for the right to sign him and I just don't see him being fired this season.

They should trade Sykora for a LW to balance the lines better. Sykora for Jochen Hecht maybe or something like that. Obvisouly you may have to eat some of the salary but if they want to make the playoffs, they need to do a trade now.

I don't think you are allowed to eat salary in the new CBA. One Buffalo scenario that was mentioned on another board was Sykora for Chris Drury. They are both going to be UFA's this summer. It doesn't accomplish much but a change of scenario could help both players the rest of this season.

McDonald-Fedorov-Lupul
Selanne-Drury-Getzlaf
Niedermayer-Pahlsson-Hedstrom
Fedoruk-Konopka-Moen

extras: Kunitz, Brennan

AHL: Perry

"If I Were Brian Burke, I'd . . . "

Tell Carlyle to stop screwing with the lines and give the players set roles.

Then send Perry to the AHL to play on their first line and regain his confidence. Recall Konopka for the fourth line center role.

The four lines of offense isn't exactly working when we are averaging 1.5 goals a game. Things can't get any worse if we try the 2 scoring lines, 1 shutdown line, 1 energy line of the old NHL.

McDonald-Fedorov-Lupul (scoring line 1)
Selanne-Getzlaf-Sykora (scoring line 2)
Niedermayer-Pahlsson-Hedstrom (shut down line)
Fedoruk-Konopka-Moen (energy line)

extras: Kunitz, Brennan

Now the players have defined roles. Niedermayer, Pahlsson, and Hedstrom can do what they do best...cycle the puck, play defensive hockey, kill penalties. Fedoruk, Konopka and Moen can do what they do best, stir things up and intimidate. and our 6 most talented forwards can do what they are paid to do...score goals.

Lastly I'd trade Sykora possibly with Salei after Christmas and then recall Perry after he is player of the month of December in the AHL.

I really like the Sykora for Drury trade!!!

I would be ALL over that.

let Fedorov get back into his zone, and work with Carlyle to develop systems that maximize on the skill sets of Nieds, Sergei, Teemu, etc. I find that there's too many coaches that try to introduce "pet" systems to every team, with the poor assumption that their style is the most effective under all circumstances. Also,iIn my mind, teams should focus more on working to maximize on their strengths, not compensating for their weaknesses.

I haven't been following Anaheim particularly closely this year, but on paper it looks like they have all kinds of potential to turn things around. I still think it's too early to get really bent out of shape.

Move to Bangkok, blow all of my money on good drugs, cheap booze, and even cheaper women.

Damn, I forgot about the Tsunamis!!! Change Bangkok to Mexico, then.

Isn't Salei's agent Mark Gandler? He's the guy who advised Alexei Yashin not to honor his Ottawa contract. Also the defendant in a Washington Caps lawsuit over Seminov, claiming he can't fulfill his Caps contract because of a "military obligation"?

If teams want to rent Salei for sixty games, we get less in return. Because he will be a free agent at the end of the year, teams will not want to deal with Gandler on a contract beyond 05-06. Either way, Ducks are better off holding on to him.

Isn't Salei's agent Mark Gandler? He's the guy who advised Alexei Yashin not to honor his Ottawa contract. Also the defendant in a Washington Caps lawsuit over Seminov, claiming he can't fulfill his Caps contract because of a "military obligation"?

If teams want to rent Salei for sixty games, we get less in return. Because he will be a free agent at the end of the year, teams will not want to deal with Gandler on a contract beyond 05-06. Either way, Ducks are better off holding on to him.
With the cap, Saleis value isn't lowered too much.

We need to keep the lines the same for at least 3 games. Hopefully these will be them:

Niedermayer-Fedorov-Lupul
Fedoruk-McDonald-Selanne
Sykora-Getzlaf-Perry
Moen-Pahlsson-Hedstrom

extras: Brennan, Kunitz

The only other thing, is the team definately needs to work on their finishing. It sounds like the team has been playing well, they just can't put the puck in the net.

If I were Brian Burke, I'd bench Sykora for a game. He needs a wake up call.

Seems like everyone is blaming Sykora and Salei for our woes... while they haven't played great.. they'd hardly been the reason we're losing.

How many other players can we put on the point on our powerplay? Unless we're trading for PP defenseman with an accurate shot, I don't see this helping us.

I've noticed a lot of our defensive breakdowns lately have been when Vish or Dipenta have been on the ice... Dipenta especially seems lost lately... I hope they give him a break when Ozo is healthy because they seem like they need it.

I also think we need to give Federov a few more games, say 5-10 before calling him a total bust, but he's the first person i'd target to move. Salei and Sykora will be off payroll at end of year, but Federov's salary for 2 more years will cripple us.

I like the idea of sending Perry to AHL to get his confidence/playing time up then bring him back in a week. After a concussion from the hit he took, anyone could feel timid out there.

I've liked the play from the ducks so far, it hasn't been spectacular, we're just not getting many breaks either. I think we've carried the play for most of the games we've lost, and have had a very very very bad time capatilizing on scoring chances, and i've felt the other teams have gotten some lucky breaks.

The chances of Burke firing Carlyle are extremely slim. He went out and chose this guy he is kind of stuck with him. Add in the fact that he gave up a third round pick to Vancouver for the right to sign him and I just don't see him being fired this season.

That was one of my basic premises. I thought I made that clear.

Many interesting responses, but nothing earth-shattering. Tends to support my premise---albeit unstated---that there isn't all that much that can be done at this juncture.

Merely saying you'd trade Salei or trade Sykora doesn't cut it. To whom are you going to trade Salei? Sykora? What are you going to get in exchange? If you're not getting much in return, what have you accomplished---at least in terms of immediately improving the team (which was my original premise).

The trade for Chris Drury might not be a bad idea, although I don't know that he's a Brian Burke-type player.

My biggest difference with many of you seems to be that I think Chris Kunitz should be more than a spare part. On a team on which no one has set the world on fire, IMO, Kunitz has played hard and looked pretty good.

If Chris Drury isn't your kind of player, you just aren't a very good GM.

I'd Shoot myself in the foot

I would trade Fedorov and a pick for two mediocre-to-bad roleplayers.

I would trade Fedorov and a pick for two mediocre-to-bad roleplayers.

Good call...You should manage a mediocre-to-bad team known as the Ducks.

I'd Shoot myself in the foot

Most Anahiem fans were thinking the head...but close enough

Kings fans say give him a contract extention!

If I were Brian Burke I'd get rid of Sergi Federov.

Sergi Federov.

Whoever that is.

If I were Brian Burke I'd get rid of Sergi Federov.
OMG :)

Whoever that is.
He's the staff copy boy. And he's *horrible.*

I'd fire Carlyle right away. His system is the reason why the team's not winning and his mixing of lines is making goal scoring and team chemistry even more difficult.

I'd fire Carlyle right away. His system is the reason why the team's not winning and his mixing of lines is making goal scoring and team chemistry even more difficult.

S.S.: So you think we have the right mix of players, it's just Carlyle is misusing them? Sorry, but I think you're way off the mark.

The Ducks played horribly in the season immediately following their playoff run (i.e., 2003-2004). We're you in favor of firing Babcock?

I think there are a number of reasons why the Ducks are losing. Amongst them is the fact that the team is a bit "snakebitten". (The puck hasn't exactly bounced our way of late.) I also agree with Burke's assessment that there is a prevailing culture that "being competitive" is good enough.

To Atlanta:
-Ryan Getzlaf
-Corey Perry
-Ruslan Salei
-Petr Sykora
- Brendan Mikkelson

To Anaheim:
ILYA KOVALCHUK!!!

The Ducks played horribly in the season immediately following their playoff run (i.e., 2003-2004). We're you in favor of firing Babcock?

No I was not. In fact, I was dissappointed when Babcock was dismissed. Al least he knows how to properly prepare a team for battle. If he was still behind the bench for the Ducks, the team would be 2nd in the division right now. Besides, in 03-04, Leclerc and Ozolinsh were injured for most of the season as well as Rob Niedermayer. 3 vital players missing from the team.

If I were Burkie, I'd try and make these two very makeable deals:

Petr Sykora to Edmonton for Radek Dvorak
Ruslan Salei to Buffalo for Chris Drury


We definetely need a new winger for Sykora, and a nice playmaker for Lupul wouldn't be bad. We could also use a #1 center, and while Drury might not be that, he's probably close enough. Vish also makes Salei very expendable. Our line-up after that(when healthy):


Dvorak-Drury-Lupul
Niedermayer-McDonald-Selanne
Penner-Marchant-Wright
Fedoruk-Pahlsson-Hedstrom
Moen, Brennan(if called up)

Niedermayer-Vishnevski
Ozolinsh-Carney
Beauchemin-DiPenta
Marshall

Giguere
Bryzgalov


I definetely think that's a playoff-calibre team.

If I were Burkie, I'd try and make these two very makeable deals:

Petr Sykora to Edmonton for Radek Dvorak
Ruslan Salei to Buffalo for Chris Drury


We definetely need a new winger for Sykora, and a nice playmaker for Lupul wouldn't be bad. We could also use a #1 center, and while Drury might not be that, he's probably close enough. Vish also makes Salei very expendable. Our line-up after that(when healthy):


Dvorak-Drury-Lupul
Niedermayer-McDonald-Selanne
Penner-Marchant-Wright
Fedoruk-Pahlsson-Hedstrom
Moen, Brennan(if called up)

Niedermayer-Vishnevski
Ozolinsh-Carney
Beauchemin-DiPenta
Marshall

Giguere
Bryzgalov


I definetely think that's a playoff-calibre team.

:clap: that would be awesome

If I were Burkie, I'd try and make these two very makeable deals:

Petr Sykora to Edmonton for Radek Dvorak
Ruslan Salei to Buffalo for Chris Drury



I wish you were Burke. You summed up all what we talked about.

Dvorak and Sykora produce about the same. No help there.

Dvorak and Sykora produce about the same. No help there.

Well, Dvorak's a nice playmaker, and if Sykora's not producing, it makes sense to take a chance on a guy that also isn't but could with a change of scenery.

Well, Dvorak's a nice playmaker, and if Sykora's not producing, it makes sense to take a chance on a guy that also isn't but could with a change of scenery.

what's Dvorak's salary? If he's cheaper, and he's a playmaker, put him with Lupul.

what's Dvorak's salary? If he's cheaper, and he's a playmaker, put him with Lupul.

1.596 million

TRADE JIGGY! This guy in my mind right now is the backup goaltender. Bryzgalov is defiitely looking like a number one goalie. Give him a shot! Nobody thought Gerber could be one, and he is in first place with his new team!

Bryzgalov reminds me of Nabakov. So far, he has been very consistent with his team. Giguere is great when he is totally focused, but the Ducks need him to be great at all times. As of now, the Ducks are winning without Jiggy, Sykora, and Ozo. Right there shows you if the Ducks didn't have them back the rest of the year, the Ducks could still win with guys like Penner stepping up...and Fedoruk coming back to the lineup. But the beauty of it is is that the Ducks are gonna be definitely getting some more key guys to their lineup, with the trade of one or all three of the players: Jiggy, Sykora, and Ozo.

Sykora and Ozo, along with the saved money from the Federov trade, could definitely bring in a star defenseman, or offensive player, if Burke chooses to do so. Can you imagine how much more money the Ducks would have to work with if they could get rid of Jiggy and is silly contract? Isnt' his contract worth as much as Federov's was? About 6 million? Geeze, combine that with the possible other trades, and they have about 10 million of trade money to pretty much get any star player that a team is willing to trade.

Pretty exciting to think about, especially since the Ducks are already proving they can win with new guys like Marchant and Wright. And trust me, with guys like those in the lineup, the Ducks are gonna be that much more dangerous come playoff time...not to mention having guys like Moen and Fedoruk. This team is sounding more and more dangerous thanks to Burke.

And look at the long run, the Kings are up 5 and a half games. Don't the Ducks play them 7 more times? If the Ducks do their job, which I am confident they will, they will have no problem taking over in first place. If they don't do their job, they don't deserve to be in first. Simple as that. They have an oppotunity. They can't waste it.

Who here really thinks Jiggy would be an upgrade over Bryzgalov's stellar play? If anything, it would take Jiggy a game or two to get used to playing again in a game. Plus, he hasn't shown in my mind, other then the playoff run two years ago, that he is deserving of the money he is making. How much is Bryzgalov making? I say, trade Jiggy. Just my opinion. But hopefully it is Burkes also. We will wait and see.

Just a thought. Florida is in last place, and I am wondering if the GM would be willing to trade OLLI JOKINEN. If Burke could find a way to swing a deal to land him in a Ducks uniform, that would be sweet. Not to mention, like Selanne, he is from Finland. I can imagin Selanne and Jokinen would be good on line together since they were on the same team in the Finland World Championships. I wonder what Florida would want in Olli Jokinens return? Ozolinsh used to play for the team, so think Ozo and Sykora would do the trick?

Plead a case to change the team name....... The Mighty Ducks, palease. The movie is 10 years old and it was a crap way to promote a crap movie with the most unrealistic play in hockey...... Let's hear it for the flying V!!!!!!!!!! :biglaugh:

You know what I would love to see the new name be? "The Anaheim Pirates"! It only makes sense. Think about it. First off, the affiliate minor league team name of Anaheim is "the pirates". Secondly, the Ducks would finally have a "tough" team name. Not a wimpy one like the ducks.

I can't stand that name. But "The Anaheim Pirates" sounds a lot more intimidating. I don't see how they wouldn't choose that one, since their affiliate has that name. It makes the most sense.

Plus, for the jersey, the Ducks can make a new logo for the front...to look meaner. And also, I like their current black jerseys. Rather, I LOVE Them. I think they should definitely keep them.

Another thing. Think about how much better that name would be then the LA Kings. Back in history, who would steal cargo and stuff from the ships that had Kings traveling aboard? Who else but PIRATES!!! Arr Mateeeee!!!!!

If I were Brian Burke, I'd stop drinking.

You know what I would love to see the new name be? "The Anaheim Pirates"! It only makes sense. Think about it. First off, the affiliate minor league team name of Anaheim is "the pirates". Secondly, the Ducks would finally have a "tough" team name. Not a wimpy one like the ducks.

I can't stand that name. But "The Anaheim Pirates" sounds a lot more intimidating. I don't see how they wouldn't choose that one, since their affiliate has that name. It makes the most sense.

Plus, for the jersey, the Ducks can make a new logo for the front...to look meaner. And also, I like their current black jerseys. Rather, I LOVE Them. I think they should definitely keep them.

Another thing. Think about how much better that name would be then the LA Kings. Back in history, who would steal cargo and stuff from the ships that had Kings traveling aboard? Who else but PIRATES!!! Arr Mateeeee!!!!!

Excellent idea, I still don't know why a NHL/AHL/ECHL team hasn't had a black jersey with the skull & crossbones.

http://i5.ebayimg.com/01/i/02/8e/e1/98_1.JPG

Also, I still think Anaheim Arrows would work well.

that jersey looks AWESOME!!! great job!

that jersey looks AWESOME!!! great job!

Oh I didn't make it, that's the 3rd jersey of the Lake Charles Ice Pirates, a defunct minor league team from I think Texas.

If I were Brian Burke, I'd stop drinking.
Really? I think I might start.

The Anaheim Ducks of Latter Day Saints.

does it matter .. now we are struggling ducks... then we are struggling pirates.. you can think any jokes about pirates .. imagine headlines " Pirates over the board " .. " Pirates are sinking" .. " Another bullet to pirates ship" .. Like sb said .. the film was 10 years ago ... lets forget the film and concentrate of building team which can make to palyoffs

Excellent idea, I still don't know why a NHL/AHL/ECHL team hasn't had a black jersey with the skull & crossbones.


because black is the most overused color in the NHL

because black is the most overused color in the NHL

Pink with a skull & crossbones? Anaheim Butt Pirates? :dunno:

I kid, i kid.

The Ducks name is fine if the Mighty was dropped, or they could use my great idea of Anaheim Arrows.

Either way, best of luck to a fellow '93 expansion team.

I bet Brian Burke is pulling his hair out that he wasn't informed that Thornton was being shopped today. Burke would have jumped all over that deal.

Would this be better then San Jose's offer

To Anaheim: Joe Thornton

To Boston: Joffrey Lupul, Ruslan Salei and Correy Perry


Joe Thornton - Bobby Ryan :eek:

I bet Brian Burke is pulling his hair out that he wasn't informed that Thornton was being shopped today. Burke would have jumped all over that deal.

Would this be better then San Jose's offer

To Anaheim: Joe Thornton

To Boston: Joffrey Lupul, Ruslan Salei and Correy Perry


Joe Thornton - Bobby Ryan :eek:

Lots of teams could have matched what San Jose did...

for us...Stuart = Vishnevski Sturm = Sykora Primeau = Pahlsson

To Boston: Vishnevski, Sykora, Pahlsson, and the rights to Stan Chistov

To Anaheim: Thornton

6. Retire and plead for a job in Vancouver's organization.

Nah. #6 should be

Roll up a copy of 'The Province' (Vancouver) and smack Tony Gallagher across the Nose with it.

just to note Drury isnt a UFA after this year. Buffalo wont trade Drury, id bet.Ruff has a woody for him and we in theory paid Ballard,Warrener and Reinprecht to get him.

Chris Drury... 3 yrs left on 5 yr deal .....2,926,000

Lots of teams could have matched what San Jose did...

for us...Stuart = Vishnevski Sturm = Sykora Primeau = Pahlsson

To Boston: Vishnevski, Sykora, Pahlsson, and the rights to Stan Chistov

To Anaheim: Thornton

Stuart >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vish
Sturm >>>>>>>> Sykora

Stuart >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vish

Dude, have you seen Stuart play this year? He's been making Ozo look good by comparison. We're talking BRUTAL.

Lots of teams could have matched what San Jose did...

for us...Stuart = Vishnevski Sturm = Sykora Primeau = Pahlsson

To Boston: Vishnevski, Sykora, Pahlsson, and the rights to Stan Chistov

To Anaheim: Thornton

I think we would be looking more at this if Thornton was coming our way.

To Boston: Lupul, Vishnevski, Pahlsson, Perry

To Anaheim: Thornton


Sykora and Chistov right now have ZERO value IMO.

I think we would be looking more at this if Thornton was coming our way.

To Boston: Lupul, Vishnevski, Pahlsson, Perry

To Anaheim: Thornton


Sykora and Chistov right now have ZERO value IMO.



That's a terrible trade IMO...I would never give up these 4 for Joe...he's a great player, but still...

That's a terrible trade IMO...I would never give up these 4 for Joe...he's a great player, but still...

all I said was that these players would be our equivalent to what San Jose gave up.

With that said, I would still make that trade in a heart beat. Joe Thornton is a top 5 player in the NHL and adds an element we have never had in Anaheim. And would more than make up for the offensive loss of Lupul and unproven Perry.

The only one out of that group I would really miss is Vish, but we have other guys down on the farm that can bring a physical presence like Vish does.

I, too, would miss Vish and I'd be reluctant to part with Lupul, but, given the chance to acquire an awesome talent like Joe Thornton, I, too, would make that deal---particularly since, currently, we don't have anything approaching a first-line NHL center. (And, no, I'm not sorry we traded Fedorov.)

I think we would be looking more at this if Thornton was coming our way.

To Boston: Lupul, Vishnevski, Pahlsson, Perry

To Anaheim: Thornton


Sykora and Chistov right now have ZERO value IMO.

Thats horrible. Thats way more than San Jose gave up. You didn't see them sending Michalek or Bernier to Boston.

all I said was that these players would be our equivalent to what San Jose gave up.



no that was overpayment compared to what San Jose gave up.

Stuart >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vish
Sturm >>>>>>>> Sykora

not really.

Stuart>Vishnevski but I put Vish because they are the same age and both top 4 d-men.

Sturm>>Sykora right now

Sykora of 02/03>>Sturm

Pahlsson=Primeau both shut down third line centers. They could have Marchant instead if they wanted his contract.

I threw in the rights to Chistov to even things out.

My proposal matches what San Jose did more than the people that are wanting to send away Lupul, Perry and Vish for Thornton which is overpayment. You didn't see San Jose sending Bernier, Michalek and Stuart.

Thats horrible. Thats way more than San Jose gave up. You didn't see them sending Michalek or Bernier to Boston.

Explain? Is what you are hung up on glorious Perry?

Look at production.I will be generous in calling Lupul and Sturm a wash. Although Sturm plays a more complete game, I think Lupul will contribute more offensivly.

Look at Vish and Stuart. As much as I love Vish I would take Stuart over him all day long. Physical presence is all Vish really brings to the table. No offense, not a stud defense wise.

Primeau and Pahlsson I will call a wash as well.

So that leaves Perry to make up the difference. For JOE THORNTON here. Might my proposal overpay a bit? Sure, but again I would take the sure thing all day long over an unproven.

For you to call it "horrible" I think is off. If you want to say you would rather have Lupul,Vish and Perry then fine, but "horrible" is way off IMO.

not really.

Stuart>Vishnevski but I put Vish because they are the same age and both top 4 d-men.

Sturm>>Sykora right now

Sykora of 02/03>>Sturm

Pahlsson=Primeau both shut down third line centers. They could have Marchant instead if they wanted his contract.

I threw in the rights to Chistov to even things out.

My proposal matches what San Jose did more than the people that are wanting to send away Lupul, Perry and Vish for Thornton which is overpayment. You didn't see San Jose sending Bernier, Michalek and Stuart.

You are too in love with the idea of "prospects". Boston didn't ask for that package because they wanted legit NHL players who contribute, not potential.

You can't tell me that Sykora and Chistov bring any value to the table right now. And especially not value to equal that of Stuart and Sturm.

Didn't want to start another thread and since we're playing GM here.... Bob Mckenzie states in his latest column that these guys are avalible for the Ducks. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=145308&hubname=nhl

Anaheim will have Petr Sykora in the lineup and on display saturday and there is interest in the underachieving scorer. Anaheim has decided it can't afford to be paying a four-goal man $3 million. But Sykora isn't the only duck could be had. For the right price, others include Keith Carney, Ruslan Salei, Sandis Ozolinsh and Andy McDonald.

Surprised to see Carney and Mcdonald in that list. The other guys I wouldn't mind see being moved. What do you think Burke could get for these guys in packages or individually?

I'd love to see either Carney or McDonald on the Canucks.

You are too in love with the idea of "prospects". Boston didn't ask for that package because they wanted legit NHL players who contribute, not potential.

You can't tell me that Sykora and Chistov bring any value to the table right now. And especially not value to equal that of Stuart and Sturm.

Michalek is already a good 2nd liner who will likely be a franchise first liner. Sturm is an underachieving 2nd liner. You really think Boston said yeah we don't want Michalek we want the guy who is closer to UFA age and is going to underachieve for us?

Stuart= Vishnevski

Sykora used to = Sturm...unfortunately for us Sykora sucks this year.

Chistov was a throw in.

Didn't want to start another thread and since we're playing GM here.... Bob Mckenzie states in his latest column that these guys are avalible for the Ducks. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=145308&hubname=nhl



Surprised to see Carney and Mcdonald in that list. The other guys I wouldn't mind see being moved. What do you think Burke could get for these guys in packages or individually?

Might as well blow up the whole team then. Carney and McDonald are key players for the Ducks right now. I could see moving Salei, Ozolinsh and Sykora. But why move Carney and McDonald.

Explain? Is what you are hung up on glorious Perry?

Look at production.I will be generous in calling Lupul and Sturm a wash. Although Sturm plays a more complete game, I think Lupul will contribute more offensivly.

Look at Vish and Stuart. As much as I love Vish I would take Stuart over him all day long. Physical presence is all Vish really brings to the table. No offense, not a stud defense wise.

Primeau and Pahlsson I will call a wash as well.

So that leaves Perry to make up the difference. For JOE THORNTON here. Might my proposal overpay a bit? Sure, but again I would take the sure thing all day long over an unproven.

For you to call it "horrible" I think is off. If you want to say you would rather have Lupul,Vish and Perry then fine, but "horrible" is way off IMO.

I'd argue that Lupul is already a better player than Sturm. Lupul has first line 40 goal scorer upside. Sturm is a 2 way speedster who will give you 20-25 goals based on speed alone. The only thing Sturm has on Lupul is speed and better play in his own end. Lupul has a much better scoring touch, a better playmaker, and more physical.

Stuart isn't that good in his own end. Vish is a better defensive d-man than Stuart. Obviously Stuart has better offensive abilities but he continued to frustrate Sharks fans with his inconsistency. They are pretty close value wise I threw in Chistov to even that out. You on the other hand threw in Perry which isn't fair for the Ducks.

Lupul>=Sturm
Stuart>=Vish
Pahlsson=Primeau

Perry...is a gift for Boston?

I think we would be looking more at this if Thornton was coming our way.

To Boston: Lupul, Vishnevski, Pahlsson, Perry

To Anaheim: Thornton


Sykora and Chistov right now have ZERO value IMO.
No way, Prof. We can argue all day long about whether or not that deal is similar to San Jose's (it's pretty close IMO) but we don't have depth to give. That trade guts the team. We're not San Jose.

I'd argue that Lupul is already a better player than Sturm. Lupul has first line 40 goal scorer upside. Sturm is a 2 way speedster who will give you 20-25 goals based on speed alone. The only thing Sturm has on Lupul is speed and better play in his own end. Lupul has a much better scoring touch, a better playmaker, and more physical.

Stuart isn't that good in his own end. Vish is a better defensive d-man than Stuart. Obviously Stuart has better offensive abilities but he continued to frustrate Sharks fans with his inconsistency. They are pretty close value wise I threw in Chistov to even that out. You on the other hand threw in Perry which isn't fair for the Ducks.

Lupul>=Sturm
Stuart>=Vish
Pahlsson=Primeau

Perry...is a gift for Boston?


Well we just disagree on the value of the players involved. Not much else we can do about that. All I would say is that again you use that word "upside" which IMO overvalues players horribly.

But no sense in arguing this thing because we just don't see eye to eye on that value on whats on the table. I clearly value what Thornton brings over what we get from the guys we deal.

No way, Prof. We can argue all day long about whether or not that deal is similar to San Jose's (it's pretty close IMO) but we don't have depth to give. That trade guts the team. We're not San Jose.

Well I would ask what are we really losing?

Thornton will easily handle what we lose in Lupul. Vish can be replaced by someone on the farm IMO.(I only see physical presence from Vish as a huge contribution)

And we have plenty of players to handle Pahlssons role.

I would argue we are like San Jose, we have all these guys on the farm that are suppost to contribute. Again this is all hypothetical as the trade never went through, but I think we have the pieces to replace what we would lose.

That's a terrible trade IMO...I would never give up these 4 for Joe...he's a great player, but still...

agreed. That's trading away for our future of the team.

I will point out though that my thought process didn't pass the players involved. Because cap wise I beleive the Thornton contract would put us over.

So we would need to see a combination of scrap(Sykora, Ozolinsh) and skill go the other way.

Carney & Macdonald??

There better be some serious enforcers on the market if that's true...

Dude, have you seen Stuart play this year? He's been making Ozo look good by comparison. We're talking BRUTAL.

Perhaps, though the entire Sharks teams has struggled also. He is still talent-wise one of the best young defensemen in the league.

Perhaps, though the entire Sharks teams has struggled also.

True, but he's been a big contributor to that with his ill-timed turnovers.

He is still talent-wise one of the best young defensemen in the league.

He may have tons of talent, but in actual play, he's nowhere near Vish right now. Stuart simply makes too many mistakes. And it's not like he's a wet behind the ears teenager, the guy's been in the league 7 years now, and he's still making the same errors he did when he first came in the league.

True, but he's been a big contributor to that with his ill-timed turnovers.



He may have tons of talent, but in actual play, he's nowhere near Vish right now. Stuart simply makes too many mistakes. And it's not like he's a wet behind the ears teenager, the guy's been in the league 7 years now, and he's still making the same errors he did when he first came in the league.

And yet he was the main ingredient in a trade that brought arguably the best young franchise center in hockey to a team. Obviously he (Stuart) is regarded highly, he just has to put it all together at some point. His career numbers are still very good.

And yet he was the main ingredient in a trade that brought arguably the best young franchise center in hockey to a team. Obviously he (Stuart) is regarded highly, he just has to put it all together at some point. His career numbers are still very good.

Yeah his numbers are good, but if that told you the whole story then there are a ton of defensemen out there who are, "better," than Vish. But I wouldn't trade him for many of them.

Why trade Vish. Our defence is now quite good. Three games and three goals allowed. It shows something. Right now i suggest do nothing. Team has won three games and only ALLOWED three goals. Let them continue and not mix up something.

Yeah his numbers are good, but if that told you the whole story then there are a ton of defensemen out there who are, "better," than Vish. But I wouldn't trade him for many of them.

Sometimes he moves out of position coming across the ice just looking to hit people...I like the thought however. He is coming around and while Vish still represents absolutely no offensive upside or puck carrying potential for that matter and he is still shaky at times handling the puck in the defensive zone when pressured...he has become a hit machine for sure and he is much better all around defensively than even just last year. I'm not saying trade him by any stretch..I am quickly becoming very enamoured with this current roster of players, I do think however that only Ducks fans (at least some) would take Vish over Brad Stuart.

Sometimes he moves out of position coming across the ice just looking to hit people...I like the thought however. He is coming around and while Vish still represents absolutely no offensive upside or puck carrying potential for that matter and he is still shaky at times handling the puck in the defensive zone when pressured...

I haven't seen Vish cough up the puck nearly as often, or in as embarrassing a fashion as Stuart has this season.

Maybe he'll come around in Boston, but I'm not kidding you when I say that he was playing horrid defense for SJ. And he certainly doesn't provide anywhere near enough offense to make up for bad defense ... if he were playing like Coffey in his prime, then maybe, but at 0.5 ppg that's not enough to make up for his deficiencies.

he has become a hit machine for sure and he is much better all around defensively than even just last year. I'm not saying trade him by any stretch..I am quickly becoming very enamoured with this current roster of players, I do think however that only Ducks fans (at least some) would take Vish over Brad Stuart.

I think that's more reputation than anything else. I've seen plenty of both players, and I see little to indicate that Stuart will ever become more than a very talented but very flawed and ultimately unreliable defenseman. They're 25 years old, it's about time to give up on, "potential" ... from here on out, these guys ought to be evaluated based on actual play. And right now, it's no contest.

We shall see. I think the fact that Vish's responsibilities of simply "hit everything" simplify the game a bit for him whereas Stuart probably feels the necessity to try and do everything from the blueline.

Todd Bertuzzi and Eric Daze

I would trade Sykora and Giguere to Vancouver for Bertuzzi and a prospect. And then, I would trade Ozolinsh over to Chicago for Eric Daze. Both Eric Daze and Ozolinsh are hurt, and so it would be a fair trade.

In Daze's career, when he play's over 80 games, he has always had at least 30 goals. Sounds like he should be an all-star! At 6 foot 6 and 235 pounds (and 30 years old), and when healthy again, he would make a good fit for the Ducks. And what is remarkable about him is that he has never had more than 36 penalty minutes in a single season. Heck, even paul kariya has had more then him in a single season.

Can you imagine a line with Daze, and then a line with Bertuzzi? That would be 2 very dangerous lines! They are both monsters to move off of the puck, but since Daze has never had more then 36 penalty minutes in a single season, Bertuzzi would do all the fighting. At least you wouldn't have to worry about there being too many penalties being taken, if getting both guys of similar toughness. And imagine with them on the same line!! That would be awesome to. I know both these trades probably won't end up happening. But if it did, the Ducks would rock!

It will never happen. And Daze will prolly always be injury prone. So that's a big "if."

I really would like to see Bertuzzi in the same line with Selänne. If he can make a 50 goal scorer out of Näslund, judging by talent I'd say he'd make a 150 goal scorer out of Teemu :D

I really would like to see Bertuzzi in the same line with Selänne. If he can make a 50 goal scorer out of Näslund, judging by talent I'd say he'd make a 150 goal scorer out of Teemu :D

No offense intended, but you seriously underestimate Naslund's talent. (BTW, how did you get your keyboard to type that little "umlot" thingamajiggy over the "a" in Naslund's name?)

No offense intended, but you seriously underestimate Naslund's talent. (BTW, how did you get your keyboard to type that little "umlot" thingamajiggy over the "a" in Naslund's name?)

Change your keyboard layout to finnish/swedish and hit the keys right of "L" on your keyboard.

äöåÄÖÅ etc

Change your keyboard layout to finnish/swedish and hit the keys right of "L" on your keyboard.

äöåÄÖÅ etc

Thank you.

As much as I'd love to see Daze a Duck, his injuries make me think h'd only be a shell of his former power-forward self and thus not worth getting :nopity:

Of course if he came back and did regain his old form, then it'd take too much to acquire him probably.

Daze a powerforward?? Surely you're jesting!

Softest 6'5 player you can find.

Daze a powerforward?? Surely you're jesting!

Softest 6'5 player you can find.

Really? I know not any seasons lately, but was he always as soft even before the injuries? I'm not very familar with him, just knew he was big and could score some goals, so assumed he would be a pwoer forward mold.

He's not a very physical player, given his size.

JASON STRUDWICK
you all know that this guy is Robs and Scott's cousin? He is a D-man, is like 6'4 and 225 pounds (plays for the Rangers), and would only add to the closeness of the team. He seems to average 15 minutes a game with the Rangers, but might be able to help out with the Ducks. Anyone know much about the guy?

JASON STRUDWICK
you all know that this guy is Robs and Scott's cousin? He is a D-man, is like 6'4 and 225 pounds (plays for the Rangers), and would only add to the closeness of the team. He seems to average 15 minutes a game with the Rangers, but might be able to help out with the Ducks. Anyone know much about the guy?

Oh Mighty Adam....

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whats that supposed to mean? Are you egging me on for a war of words? see who can put down who the best? trust me...if I wanted to play that game...you would most definitely lose!!!





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Food tatses better, the air is fresher, the Ducks win. Life is good.

Hey Frink, I don't think that's necessary, no need to be rude no matter how irritating Adam's 3-page paragraph-less posts are.

how are they irritating?

yipee, mightyadam is back :) looking forward to spend days figuring out where his post starts and stops, and where he stops his sentence :yo:

I'm serious...your posts are so imaginative, it's :o

how are they irritating?

Because they are about as easy to read as a parchment written in hieroglyphs by a drunk egyptian scribe.

More paragraphs please.

I don't think you are allowed to eat salary in the new CBA. One Buffalo scenario that was mentioned on another board was Sykora for Chris Drury. They are both going to be UFA's this summer. It doesn't accomplish much but a change of scenario could help both players the rest of this season.



Just to comment on this. Drury's got another year on his contract, and he's picked up his play in a major way.
Hecht's pretty much not going anywhere either.

One guy that could be the odd man out is Max Afinogenov.