11-6-05 Anaheim vs. Minnesota

vs. Minnesota, 5 p.m., FSNW2

Site — Arrowhead Pond.

Radio — 1090.

Records — Ducks 7-6-1-1, Wild 7-6-1-1.

Record vs. Wild — 0-1.

Update — The Ducks recalled minor-league enforcer Trevor Gillies from their affiliate in Portland, Maine, to replace left wing Kip Brennan, who will sit out his second consecutive game because of an injured left shoulder. Left wing Todd Fedoruk suffered a back strain in the third period Friday night against San Jose and is doubtful. Defense-oriented Minnesota won the season's first meeting, 4-1, on Oct. 16 at St. Paul, Minn.

The Wild has given up 31 goals to rank third behind Ottawa and Detroit. "They definitely play differently with the lead," Carlyle said. "You don't want to fall behind. People say they're strictly a defensive team, but they're a strong forechecking hockey club."

The Ducks have played pretty crappy the last two games. We need to rebound because the schedule doesn't get any better.

any news on federov, ozo, or perry?

Sergei Fedorov could be ready to return from his groin injury by Saturday, according to the LA Times.

:yo:

any news on federov, ozo, or perry?

Mighty Duck center Sergei Fedorov hasn't played in a game since the home opener Oct. 10 against Edmonton, but barring any more setbacks to his injured groin, the 35-year-old forward could be ready by Saturday in Phoenix.

Fedorov will sit out his 13th consecutive game today, but he participated in his first practice since aggravating his groin Oct. 16 during a morning skate.

...The schedule break also gives defenseman Sandis Ozolinsh time to recover from a cracked rib, but it appears that he will need more time before returning. Ozolinsh skated before practice but has not taken part in team drills.

"That's an interesting one because he probably looks better and feels better than Sergei does, but that type of injury is something you can't rush back from," Duck Coach Randy Carlyle said.

LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-duckrep6nov06,1,3336650.story?coll=la-headlines-sports)

From yesterday's OC Register:

Rookie right wing Corey Perry, saying he feels "10 times better" after having suffered a concussion a week earlier, planned to resume workouts on a stationary bicycle today

OC Register (http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/pros/article_752758.php)

Another snoozefest. Andy Mac reverts to form. Selanne and Lupul disappear. Our best offensive player is Kunitz, followed probably by Moen.

Mikko Koivu walks in unmolested on Giguere after ditching Vish with an amatuerish fake to score while two Ducks look on.

Great goal by Getzlaf. The youngsters Kunitz and Konopka, and Sammy Pahlsson have had a lot of energy.

Gillies is an idiot.

No AHL, he's NHL material! Yeah! :yo:

I heard Gilles got his *** handed to him by Boogard

Tie game. Ducks have woken up. They're buzzing like crazy now. Getz with his second.

Which team will show up in the third? The opportunity is there for the taking, the Wild are tired, Getzlaf and the kids are not. Teemu blew two wide open nets! Crap. I just remembered that.

We can win this.

I heard Gilles got his *** handed to him by Boogard

By the end of the fight, Boogard was practically saying "Who's your daddy?"

I heard Gilles got his *** handed to him by Boogard
Gillies has had 3 NHL shifts. Took a penalty on the first one. Got TKOd by Boogaard on the second. Took a penalty after the whistle to negate a Ducks power play on the third.

This is about as bad as a first game can be for an enforcer I think.

This is about as bad as a first game can be for an enforcer I think.

Hopefully his first game in the NHL is his last game in the NHL for quite a while.

Ducks are controlling the game, should be able to get one by Fernandez soon to win this one.

Let's get a power play goal here, after the nice little move by Teemu. And nothing's going on on this power play.

Not an Anaheim fan, but I'm watching the Mighty Ducks Vs. the Wild now and boy is Selanne back.

Getzlaf proving why he should stay with a couple snipes to tie up the game.

Jiggy got smoked in the shootout. Ducks lose.

Major bummer. The Ducks deserved two points, IMO. That goal that Giguere gave to Robitaille was pretty bad; what a killer. Overall, though, a very good game for the Ducks. Sometimes you don't win even when you play very well.

Nothing quite like giving free points to in-conference teams you will eventually be fighting for a playoff spot with over a stupid gimmick.


GP

That is a hard way to lose, you dominate 2/3 of the but a slow start ends up costing you two points.

Regardless, the ducks had many chances to win, and I have no idea why andy mac is given a shoot out chance over niedermayer, lupul, and sykora.

I have no idea why andy mac is given a shoot out chance over niedermayer, lupul, and sykora.
Same here. I was expecting Selanne (since he's our best goal scorer), Getz (since he had 2 goals on the night), and Lupul (since he's supposed to be our sniper)...suprised me when Carlyle put McDonald out there.

Bad games for Jiggy and Teemu. Plus, this is why not playing hard every period sucks.

-Getzlaf just proved to me he should be in the NHL. No AHL for him if he plays like that.

-This is one of those games that should have ended in a tie, both teams get their point and you move on. Minnesota doesn't deserve the second point, but because the NHL wants some extra excitement for the fans Minnesota gets an extra point from the shootout.

-Selanne had another good game, I'd like to see him bury some of those scoring chances though.

-Nice to see Konopka get his first NHL goal. He has worked so hard to get to this level, he deserves it.

-Gillies was holding his own until he lost the grip on Boogers jersey and then he took the uppercut smash. I feel bad for the guy but he showed a lot of courage coming back and playing later in the game. He needs to cut back on the stupid penalties though. The instigator penalty was B.S., anytime two enforcers fight there should never be an instigator call. The instigator should only be called to protect non-fighters.

-No more Andy Mac in the shootout. Get Lupul or Scott Nieds out there.

-Getzlaf just proved to me he should be in the NHL. No AHL for him if he plays like that.

-This is one of those games that should have ended in a tie, both teams get their point and you move on. Minnesota doesn't deserve the second point, but because the NHL wants some extra excitement for the fans Minnesota gets an extra point from the shootout.

-Selanne had another good game, I'd like to see him bury some of those scoring chances though.

-Nice to see Konopka get his first NHL goal. He has worked so hard to get to this level, he deserves it.

-Gillies was holding his own until he lost the grip on Boogers jersey and then he took the uppercut smash. I feel bad for the guy but he showed a lot of courage coming back and playing later in the game. He needs to cut back on the stupid penalties though. The instigator penalty was B.S., anytime two enforcers fight there should never be an instigator call. The instigator should only be called to protect non-fighters.

-No more Andy Mac in the shootout. Get Lupul or Scott Nieds out there.Bottom line is that there shouldn't be an instigator penalty.

Bad games for Jiggy and Teemu. Plus, this is why not playing hard every period sucks.
What was wrong with Selanne?

-No more Andy Mac in the shootout. Get Lupul or Scott Nieds out there.

agreed. Hasn't he been in every shootout we've had this year? And he hasn't scored yet. Let's see S.Niedermayer get a shot.

What was wrong with Selanne?

I was at the game tonight, he missed quite a few open nets, but he wasn't the only duck with that problem. Getzlaf was solid all night. Aside from the goals, he was making great plays with the puck and getting back defensively. One observation I have about the wild as well. They were clutching and grabbing the entrie third period and overtime like it was the 2003 playoffs, but zero calls from the refs. Dissapointing way to lose a point.

-This is one of those games that should have ended in a tie, both teams get their point and you move on. Minnesota doesn't deserve the second point, but because the NHL wants some extra excitement for the fans Minnesota gets an extra point from the shootout.

Don't gripe that the league is doing something progressive to try and make the game better. The shoot out has me on the edge of my seat every time.

Instead, b1tch and moan that the Ducks suck in the shoot out. That's what I do.

What was wrong with Selanne?
duckjob pretty much covered it but basically both Giguere and Teemu had chances to come through when it would have really mattered and didn't. That's a bad game.

Don't gripe that the league is doing something progressive to try and make the game better. The shoot out has me on the edge of my seat every time.

Instead, b1tch and moan that the Ducks suck in the shoot out. That's what I do.

For me it doesn't make the game better. I'm fine walking away with a 3-3 tie...yeah the shootout will entertain everyone for 2 minutes, but it shouldn't decide playoff spots.

duckjob pretty much covered it but basically both Giguere and Teemu had chances to come through when it would have really mattered and didn't. That's a bad game.Some of you people are harsh. He's been your best forward by far this season, hustled all night tonight (as he's done in every game) and had many chances, and you're down on him for it? IMO, you don't get after players for missing chances; you praise them for being in that position to get those chances. If Selanne didn't have such hockey smarts and skills, there wouldn't even have been so many scoring chances for him in the first place. I can understand being upset over such a loss, but it's not the fault of one of the few players on the team that is pulling far more than his own weight so far.

I gotta say, I don't like the shootout. It would be like in baseball if it's tied after the 10th inning having a homerun contest to decide the game. Stupid gimmick, and hopefully it's gone after this season.

I gotta say, I don't like the shootout. It would be like in baseball if it's tied after the 10th inning having a homerun contest to decide the game. Stupid gimmick, and hopefully it's gone after this season.

The analogy would be better if the baseball game would otherwise end in a tie after 10 innings. It doesn't, they play until someone wins. ONE baseball all star game ended in a tie and people had a fit to such an extent that now home field in the World Series is decided by winning that one game. Now that is a total gimmick.

Bottom line is that if you win as many shootouts as you lose the standings don't change. Problem is the Ducks show no indication that they will ever win one.

Some of you people are harsh. He's been your best forward by far this season, hustled all night tonight (as he's done in every game) and had many chances, and you're down on him for it? IMO, you don't get after players for missing chances; you praise them for being in that position to get those chances. If Selanne didn't have such hockey smarts and skills, there wouldn't even have been so many scoring chances for him in the first place. I can understand being upset over such a loss, but it's not the fault of one of the few players on the team that is pulling far more than his own weight so far.

Don't be stupid. I know he's been great this season. He had the game on his stick three times and failed. That's not good. "Way to get a scoring chance there, buddy." What is he, 8?

You honestly think Getlaz and Kunitz are the ones creating scoring chances in that line?

The opponents probably set two guys to shut down the scoring powers of Kunitz, and that created all the space for Selänne and Getzlaf.


Nice assists by Teemu, if he missed a few chances, too bad, but there would not have been any chances had he not been there.

I think even Teemu would admit he did not have a good game as evidenced by his reaction when he missed that open net from inside the left dot.

I think even Teemu would admit he did not have a good game as evidenced by his reaction when he missed that open net from inside the left dot.


Naturally he is pissed off after missing a few scoring chances, but the fact remains he keeps creating so many of them for himself and others, you can't just say "he did not play well" or something like that...he played well, just not well enough for his own standards. Every time that line was on the ice, something was happening.

If they'd have...let's say Jonathan Hedström in the line, do you think they would be such a force offensively? I dont think they would have scored once last night, or done much at all any other night either. But that's just me.

Hopefully Fedorov gets back soon, ducks need more than just 1 or 2 dangerous forwards...in a long run it's too easy for the opponent to shut a hot line down if there is just one.

It's a bad game in the sense that we should have had this thing won before overtime even took place. Selanne is paid to score. Sure he created a lot of opportunities. But with the game on the line he failed. If I was in that situation I would be upset with myself. Hence the bad game reference.

Games like this are the ones that will bite us in the *** towards the end of the season.

You honestly think Getlaz and Kunitz are the ones creating scoring chances in that line?

The opponents probably set two guys to shut down the scoring powers of Kunitz, and that created all the space for Selänne and Getzlaf.


Nice assists by Teemu, if he missed a few chances, too bad, but there would not have been any chances had he not been there.
Jesus, Selanne has himself a crew.

I never said he played poorly. Nor did I say Getzlaf and Kunitz were doing the lion's share of the creating, although I think in this one game it was equal split equally between them. And, if Jonathan Hedstrom had played Selanne's exact game, I'd be pissed at him. Three wide open nets. Three shanked shots. We lost in a shootout. Do you see? I love Teemu. But he blew it.

Jesus, Selanne has himself a crew.

I never said he played poorly. Nor did I say Getzlaf and Kunitz were doing the lion's share of the creating, although I think in this one game it was equal split equally between them. And, if Jonathan Hedstrom had played Selanne's exact game, I'd be pissed at him. Three wide open nets. Three shanked shots. We lost in a shootout. Do you see? I love Teemu. But he blew it.

But Teemu did score at shootout, didn't he?
He wasn't the one who blew it up.

You know who's blowing it right now? Joffery Lupul and Rob Niedermayer.

Mr. Lupul is -7 in the past 6 games while Mr. R. Niedermayer is -6 in the last 6 games... also leading the team in the - category with a -6 overall.

We lost in a shootout. Do you see?

Mrs. Leeds becoming...do you see?

~Red Dragon


Seriously though, Lupul and Sykora should have been chosen for the shootout....I thought you go with your goal scorers????

Burn chock to the stick.. how dare he say Teamu had a bad game... banish him from the boards...

sheesh...
Personally, think Teamu had a great game, but missed on a few chances... I didn't like Jiggy's effort overall... seems like they got his number and he knew by the end of the shootout.

But Teemu did score at shootout, didn't he?
He wasn't the one who blew it up.

If he would have hit the open net, there would have been no need for a shootout.

Stole my words.

But yeah. Lupul and Nieds have been not so great for the last few. They're both pretty inconsistent. Maybe with a healthy Fedorov they can turn themselves into a decent scoring line like....well, whoever Selanne's with.

I gotta say, I don't like the shootout. It would be like in baseball if it's tied after the 10th inning having a homerun contest to decide the game. Stupid gimmick, and hopefully it's gone after this season.

Bravissimo! I couldn't agree with you more. I hate any to see any tie game determined by any mechanism that is not part of the game during regulation time. One of the worst offenders is college football's mechanism for resolving a tie: let each team start out with the ball on the opponent's 25 yard line. Gimme a break.

BTW, proof of the fact that the shootout is bogus: it won't be used to determine the outcome of playoff games that are tied after regulation*.



*For all you sticklers for detail, that regulation plus a five-minute overtime.

BTW, proof of the fact that the shootout is bogus: it won't be used to determine the outcome of playoff games that are tied after regulation*.


All that proves is that the NHL will continue to do one thing in the regular season and something different in the post season. Just like it always has.

Using your logic, I can say having tie games is bogus becaue the league doesn't allow them in the playoffs.

I was at the game tonight, he missed quite a few open nets, but he wasn't the only duck with that problem. Getzlaf was solid all night. Aside from the goals, he was making great plays with the puck and getting back defensively. One observation I have about the wild as well. They were clutching and grabbing the entrie third period and overtime like it was the 2003 playoffs, but zero calls from the refs. Dissapointing way to lose a point.
Yeah he did miss a few shots, but he created about 8 scoring chances by himself. On Getzlafs goal he made sure to get the defender with him, as a result Getzlaf was wide open to fire it. Just because he missed a few nets doesn't mean he played poorly, he played a very good game.

Well, whether or not the HR derby analogy is apt or not, I still don't like the shootout. I think it's a stupid gimmick to determine the outcome, and biases the results to teams with A: 1 or 2 elite snipers or B: goalies who are good against penalty shots. Neither of which are accurate reflections of the quality of an entire team.

Also, I agree that Selanne had a bad game, and is at fault more than most for the loss. Yes he's been very good to this point of the season, but that doesn't exempt him from taking heat for a loss.

Well, whether or not the HR derby analogy is apt or not, I still don't like the shootout.

I'm not trying to change your opinion of the shoot out, just giving my alternate opinion that its really not that bad.

and biases the results to teams with A: 1 or 2 elite snipers or B: goalies who are good against penalty shots. Neither of which are accurate reflections of the quality of an entire team.

Two elite snipers and huge saves from a goalie would never skew the result of a game won in regulation?

Sure would have been nice to have Fedorov in that Minnesota game as well as Selanne cashing in on one of his 3 empty nets. And too bad that the huge goalie was Fernandez and not Giguere... the Roloston shorty was especially bad. Koivu walking out of the corner wasn't much better.

Anaheim didn't deserve to win that game and they didn't.

I'm not trying to change your opinion of the shoot out, just giving my alternate opinion that its really not that bad.

It's not terrible, but I'd be happy if it was ditched.

Two elite snipers and huge saves from a goalie would never skew the result of a game won in regulation?

Not to the extent that a shootout does.

Sure would have been nice to have Fedorov in that Minnesota game as well as Selanne cashing in on one of his 3 empty nets. And too bad that the huge goalie was Fernandez and not Giguere... the Roloston shorty was especially bad. Koivu walking out of the corner wasn't much better.

Anaheim didn't deserve to win that game and they didn't

No, and taking the first period off doesn't help. I'm not saying they deserved to win the game...I just think it's kind of a silly gimmick and anti-climactic to have a shootout. But who knows, maybe it will grow on me.

I gotta say, I don't like the shootout. It would be like in baseball if it's tied after the 10th inning having a homerun contest to decide the game. Stupid gimmick, and hopefully it's gone after this season. If you don't like ties, and the NHL seems to have adopted that position, you must find some way to settle the game. There are lots of reasons, during the regular season, that it's impractical to play every game until someone scores a conventional goal:

1. The teams, especially the visitors, often have to move on to another venue. There's often a game the next day.

2. Lots of fans want to see it settled and go home; they do have other elements in their lives. Maybe (gasp!) the players do, too.

3. The TV and radio stations have a schedule and must move on.

4. The venue has many employees whose workday must end.

5. The police are out on the streets for traffic control and shouldn't be tied up forever.

6. add your own . . .

These are less important or less applicable for a playoff game.



I honestly don't mind ties. I certainly like it better when my team ties than when they lose (especially before the bonus point applied). I wonder if a tie game is really as frustrating to a fan as has been suggested; it certainly is a better result than a loss.

I haven't found my experience of a playoff game to be any better when it runs 6 periods or so. In fact, it's kind of boring, and I'm looking for it to be over.


Agree with the quote: The foul shot in basketball isn't "normal" basketball, it's just been around so long that we've gotten used to it. The college (American) football overtime is artificial, and the NFL overtime solution is highly influenced by a coin toss. Soccer shootouts are really an abberation. I don't really care for any solution which deviates a lot from the regular game style.

I don't mind ties either. I know what you mean about regular season sudden death until somebody scores is impractical for many reasons. I certainly don't advocate that.

To me the shootout is pandering to the casual hockey fan in an ill advised attempt to broaden hockey's appeal. (Not to mention Americanizing the NHL.)

Well the NHL got it right with eliminating the 2 line pass, the no line change after icing, and limiting goalie puckhandling (although I wish they'd been more aggressive with the limitations.)

I'm 50/50 on the new obstruction standard--I want to see if it continues and I don't like the 58 minutes of power play time per game (okay I'm exaggerating).

But anyways, they only screwed up on one thing in my mind...the shootout.

I don't mind ties either. I know what you mean about regular season sudden death until somebody scores is impractical for many reasons. I certainly don't advocate that.

Ties are no more artificial than anything else. You're just used to em.

To me the shootout is pandering to the casual hockey fan in an ill advised attempt to broaden hockey's appeal. (Not to mention Americanizing the NHL.)

I don't have a problem with any of those things, and I don't think it's ill-advised. And what would be wrong with Americanizing the NHL? There are as many American hockey fans as there are any others out there. Maybe more.

Ties are no more artificial than anything else. You're just used to em.

I think you mean no less artificial, but I know what you mean. I just don't like it. And I don't think it's a case of just because it's something new. I'm in favor of 4 on 4 for regulation, but that will never happen because the NHLPA wouldn't allow it.

And, failing that, I'm in favor of using International rink dimensions. I just think that with the size of players nowadays, and with an extra referee now they need more room.

I don't have a problem with any of those things, and I don't think it's ill-advised. And what would be wrong with Americanizing the NHL? There are as many American hockey fans as there are any others out there. Maybe more

It's a slippery slope, man. Soon you'll have 2-30 minute halves with Paul McCartney performing at halftime on a piano on the ice. :sarcasm:

I'll chime in and say that I wish after 60 minutes of tie play they did one of two things... Have a sudden death 5 minute 5 on 5 overtime, OR end the game...

I do not like the shootout, but if we have to keep it I want 5 shooters, not 3. 3 is just not enough.