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McDonald19 10-29-2005, 06:39 PM http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=141352&hubname=nhl
On Saturday, the Mighty Ducks placed Fedorov, Ozolinsh and rookie right wing Corey Perry on an injured list that already includes promising rookie Ryan Getzlaf.
...Perry, a first-round pick along with Getzlaf in 2003, suffered a concussion in Friday's 6-4 victory against St. Louis. In 11 games, the 20-year-old Perry has recorded a goal and four assists.
...The Mighty Ducks sought some relief from Portland of the American Hockey League, recalling center Zenon Konopka. The 24-year-old Konopka has two goals, six assists and a plus-8 rating in seven games with the Pirates.
Ziggy Stardust 10-29-2005, 06:59 PM Welcome to our world. Oh and this should dispel the myth that having enforcers on a team magically reduces injuries to star players.
lux_interior 10-29-2005, 08:39 PM Welcome to our world. Oh and this should dispel the myth that having enforcers on a team magically reduces injuries to star players.
That myth lives on despite all evidence to the contrary.
Jerky Leclerc 10-29-2005, 09:22 PM Justice strikes. Drake suspended for 2 games.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=141385&hubname=nhl
Professor John Frink 10-29-2005, 09:25 PM Justice strikes. Drake suspended for 2 games.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=141385&hubname=nhl
Meanwhile Perry is out for at least 7 days, we still lose....
McDonald19 10-29-2005, 10:30 PM Welcome to our world. Oh and this should dispel the myth that having enforcers on a team magically reduces injuries to star players.
It won't reduce injuries until the NHL drops the instigator penalty.
Randall Graves* 10-29-2005, 11:34 PM Welcome to our world. Oh and this should dispel the myth that having enforcers on a team magically reduces injuries to star players.
I like seeing guys held accountable for dirty plays, drop the instigator and we may see less of that.
Spankatola Jamnuts 10-30-2005, 01:33 AM It won't reduce injuries until the NHL drops the instigator penalty.
Yeah, remember back in the good old days before the instigator, when there were no injuries? Ah, utopia.
Lyons71 10-30-2005, 01:38 AM If you drop the instigator then there's nothing from keeping a heavyweight having his way with any player on our team. Could you imagine what it would be like, if say, Ken Belanger decided to beat the crap out of Peter Sykora? What would all you anti-instigator guys say? All the good players would be in the penalty box serving 5 minute majors for getting beat up.
That being said, the only way to counter cheap shots is with more cheap shots, OR the league can punish people... Droping the instigator is NOT the answer.
Randall Graves* 10-30-2005, 01:48 AM If you drop the instigator then there's nothing from keeping a heavyweight having his way with any player on our team. Could you imagine what it would be like, if say, Ken Belanger decided to beat the crap out of Peter Sykora? What would all you anti-instigator guys say? All the good players would be in the penalty box serving 5 minute majors for getting beat up.
That being said, the only way to counter cheap shots is with more cheap shots, OR the league can punish people... Droping the instigator is NOT the answer.
Penalties and suspensions aren't getting the job done...
Penalties and suspensions aren't getting the job done...
Because the suspensions are not severe enough and he didn't even get a penalty. Make Drake sit for as long as Perry is out, or something of that nature. Two games is a slap on the wrist.
Jerky Leclerc 10-30-2005, 08:55 AM From OC Register:
By summoning Konopka, whose NHL salary is $450,000, the Ducks increased their payroll to just a shade under the league's $39million salary cap.
The new collective-bargaining agreement, however, allows a team to deduct from its cap figure the salary of an injured player who misses at least 10 games. Fedorov, who is making $6.08 million, will reach the 10-game mark Tuesday, when the Ducks face the visiting Nashville Predators. Should the Ducks lose another player before then, they might have to ice a lineup of fewer than the maximum 20 players.
SuperUnknown 10-30-2005, 11:53 AM If you drop the instigator then there's nothing from keeping a heavyweight having his way with any player on our team. Could you imagine what it would be like, if say, Ken Belanger decided to beat the crap out of Peter Sykora? What would all you anti-instigator guys say? All the good players would be in the penalty box serving 5 minute majors for getting beat up.
That being said, the only way to counter cheap shots is with more cheap shots, OR the league can punish people... Droping the instigator is NOT the answer.
Enforcers that would attack without reasons the other teams non-fighters don't last long in a no-instigator rule NHL. Without the instigator rule comes back something that's long lost: player accountability.
Kevin Forbes 10-30-2005, 11:58 AM hopefully Konopka stays out of the sin bin, despite Anaheim's improvements on the PK, his contributions in the PIM department won't be too welcome
Reaper45 10-30-2005, 12:28 PM If you drop the instigator then there's nothing from keeping a heavyweight having his way with any player on our team. Could you imagine what it would be like, if say, Ken Belanger decided to beat the crap out of Peter Sykora? What would all you anti-instigator guys say? All the good players would be in the penalty box serving 5 minute majors for getting beat up.
That being said, the only way to counter cheap shots is with more cheap shots, OR the league can punish people... Droping the instigator is NOT the answer.
If there was no instigator rule, enforcers would not be beating the **** out of guys like Peter Sykora unless Sykora cheapshotted someone on the enforcers team. Enforcers do have a code amongst themselves. I think only Brashear is nuts enough to want to wail on nonfighters.
McDonald19 10-30-2005, 01:28 PM If you drop the instigator then there's nothing from keeping a heavyweight having his way with any player on our team. Could you imagine what it would be like, if say, Ken Belanger decided to beat the crap out of Peter Sykora? What would all you anti-instigator guys say? All the good players would be in the penalty box serving 5 minute majors for getting beat up.
That being said, the only way to counter cheap shots is with more cheap shots, OR the league can punish people... Droping the instigator is NOT the answer.
The league could still step in and give Belanger a 10-20 game suspension for attacking a player who did nothing to warrant being attacked. I seriously doubt you would see enforcers beating up skill players for the heck of it just because the instigator is dropped.
The instigator needs to be removed to force players like Sean Avery, Tyson Nash, Matt Cooke and Drake to fight if they are going to run around and take cheap shots.
McDonald19 10-30-2005, 01:31 PM From OC Register:
By summoning Konopka, whose NHL salary is $450,000, the Ducks increased their payroll to just a shade under the league's $39million salary cap.
The new collective-bargaining agreement, however, allows a team to deduct from its cap figure the salary of an injured player who misses at least 10 games. Fedorov, who is making $6.08 million, will reach the 10-game mark Tuesday, when the Ducks face the visiting Nashville Predators. Should the Ducks lose another player before then, they might have to ice a lineup of fewer than the maximum 20 players.
I was wondering why they haven't recalled a defenseman with Ozolish on the IR. Now we know it's because of the Salary Cap situation.
McDonald19 10-30-2005, 01:37 PM Yeah, remember back in the good old days before the instigator, when there were no injuries? Ah, utopia.
injuries happen, but star players like Gretzky weren't taking the cheap shots in the 80s that they were in the 90s and now...because enforcers were allowed to do their jobs. Now they are somewhat pointless.
If you've got some spare time google "NHL instigator rule". Quite a few articles and columns come back on both sides of the debate. Interesting stuff.
If there was no instigator rule, enforcers would not be beating the **** out of guys like Peter Sykora unless Sykora cheapshotted someone on the enforcers team. Enforcers do have a code amongst themselves. I think only Brashear is nuts enough to want to wail on nonfighters.
I'd have an easier time believing in enforcers having a code of honor if it weren't for the fact that in the past few years I've seen many cheap shots delivered by those same guys who are supposedly out there policing things and making sure things are clean.
braincramp 10-30-2005, 07:06 PM Because the suspensions are not severe enough and he didn't even get a penalty. Make Drake sit for as long as Perry is out, or something of that nature. Two games is a slap on the wrist. Absolutely correct, the punishment should fit the crime.
fr4ed2384 10-30-2005, 07:23 PM From OC Register:
From OC Register:
Quote:
By summoning Konopka, whose NHL salary is $450,000, the Ducks increased their payroll to just a shade under the league's $39million salary cap.
The new collective-bargaining agreement, however, allows a team to deduct from its cap figure the salary of an injured player who misses at least 10 games. Fedorov, who is making $6.08 million, will reach the 10-game mark Tuesday, when the Ducks face the visiting Nashville Predators. Should the Ducks lose another player before then, they might have to ice a lineup of fewer than the maximum 20 players.
ACTUALLY this is incorrect .. if you go to the NHL site there is a actually explaination -- most of the "reporters " never check there facts ..
http://www.nhl.com/nhlhq/cba/index.html
CLUB PAYROLLS
What will be the range of Club payrolls?
The payroll range in Year One (2005-06) of the CBA will be $21.5 million (U.S.) at the lower limit and $39 million (U.S.) at the upper limit. A Club's payroll will include all salaries, signing bonuses and performance bonuses paid to players. Except in the case of bona fide long-term injury (injuries that sideline a player for a minimum of 24 days and 10 games) to one or more of a club's players, Club payrolls will never be permitted to be below the minimum or in excess of the maximum. Clubs at or near the upper limit that have players who incur a bona fide long-term injury will be entitled to replace up to the full value of the injured player's NHL salary (even if such salary would result in the club's team salary exceeding the upper limit). The "replacement salary" will not count against the club's upper limit but will count against the League-wide players' share. Upon return of the injured player, the team must come into immediate compliance with the requirements of the payroll range.
There are several other reputable sites that also have the correct definitions ..
fr4ed2384 10-30-2005, 07:31 PM Did they make any of the IRs retroactive .. or when are the 3 eligible to come off the IR list ? including Ryan Getzlaf, Ozolinsh and Perry .
I assume Fedorov can come off IR on Tuesday..
From OC Register:
allows a team to deduct from its cap figure the salary of an injured player who misses at least 10 games.
CLUB PAYROLLS:
Clubs at or near the upper limit that have players who incur a bona fide long-term injury will be entitled to replace up to the full value of the injured player's NHL salary
I fail to see how these differ.
Of course I'm assuming missing 10 games is what qualifies as a "bona fide long term injury".
Did they make any of the IRs retroactive .. or when are the 3 eligible to come off the IR list ? including Ryan Getzlaf, Ozolinsh and Perry .
I assume Fedorov can come off IR on Tuesday..
From the same OC Register article.
Though he is not ready to do so, Fedorov is eligible to be activated any time. Getzlaf will be eligible Tuesday, Ozolinsh on Thursday and Perry next Sunday.
Winger Travis Moen, who missed Friday's game because of a strained knee, remains on the active roster but is unlikely to play tonight after having sat out practice Saturday.
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