Ducks @ Preds 10/9/03

Professor John Frink
10-09-2003, 11:43 AM
I am coming out to say the Ducks go out and take this one 4-1. As I have said before, if I don't leave Sundays game with the Ducks having a 2-1 record you are going to have one pissed moderator.

Prediction: The Krog/Feds/Nieds experiment ends tonight a game too late.

Pwnasaurus
10-09-2003, 11:50 AM
I am coming out to say the Ducks go out and take this one 4-1. As I have said before, if I don't leave Sundays game with the Ducks having a 2-1 record you are going to have one pissed moderator.

Prediction: The Krog/Feds/Nieds experiment ends tonight a game too late.

Yes...I agree with that line prediction....I say 3-1 Ducks....Ducks goals: Rucchin/Feds/Ozolinsh Preds goal: Skrastins

Radulov for Czar*
10-09-2003, 11:54 AM
Yes...I agree with that line prediction....I say 3-1 Ducks....Ducks goals: Rucchin/Feds/Ozolinsh Preds goal: Skrastins

umm.. Skrastins is an Av, and also, he does not score.

I predict Ducks take it 3-2.

Ducks: Federov (2), Niedermayer
Predators: Legwand, Hall

DocMcKay
10-09-2003, 12:00 PM
No way guys, JS is going to stay cold. This one's going to OT. Preds and Ducks tie 3-3.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 12:39 PM
He IS cold. Kariya was our best Predator killer. Hmm.

I say the Preds take this one 3-2.

Pwnasaurus
10-09-2003, 12:47 PM
umm.. Skrastins is an Av, and also, he does not score.



In that case 3-0 Ducks is the final

skariya18
10-09-2003, 01:51 PM
Ducks 8
Predators 6

Hello Gerber, Hello Mason

Giguere and Vokoun out by mid 2nd

Chistov 3, Fedorov 1, Niedermayer 1, Salei 1, Lopul 1, Ozolinsh 1
Legwand 2, Walker 2, Tootoo 1, Timonen 1

Hockeyfan02
10-09-2003, 02:32 PM
I'm saying 3-2 Ducks. We still wont look very sharp but will play better in our own end. Preds have a paper thin D but Vokoun is a good netminder and will have to cover their mistakes. If the Ducks can draw some penalties I think we will score some PP goals. I'm just hoping for a better effort than last night.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 05:17 PM
Well, Gerbs is sharp. Too bad he's the only one.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 05:18 PM
Ozo with another backhand feed up the middle. What the hell?

Professor John Frink
10-09-2003, 05:26 PM
Ozo with another backhand feed up the middle. What the hell?

Boogs, I am stuck at work late tonight I am going to need to get the details here from you.

SO far it doesn't sound to good.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 05:28 PM
Flashes of brilliance on the power play for the Ducks, and they just had a nice chance shorthanded. Vokoun and Gerber have both looked good. Ducks just easily killed a 2-man disadvantage.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 05:30 PM
Holmqvist took #18. He's in for Smirnov tonight. Big fella.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 05:31 PM
Vokoun just robbed Sykora for the second time, the first one came on the power play. The second line looks much better tonight, but we're still a bit frantic on defense. The Preds are fast.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 05:32 PM
Orszagh hit the post from the hash marks there. All alone.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 05:34 PM
Fedorov seems to have some purpose tonight, and the fourth line had a nice chance.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 05:38 PM
Krog's missed about 4 passes from Fedorov so far. I wonder if he (Feds) had really intellectualized Babcock's "superstars need to share themselves" comment before now. Oops.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 05:40 PM
Have I mentioned Gerber looks good? Because he does. Always set, no wierd rebounds, never seems to be wondering if he has the puck or not.

Hank
10-09-2003, 05:41 PM
Holmqvist took #18.

Kjellberg v2.0... the number fits.

duckjob
10-09-2003, 05:41 PM
thanks for the play by play boog, almost as good as watching it on tv :) do you have the center ice package?

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 05:59 PM
thanks for the play by play boog, almost as good as watching it on tv :) do you have the center ice package?
Yeah, I'm having a great time tonight.

Burnett once again drew his fights, while Todd Simpson beat the crap out of Scott Walker.
Walker landed a big hit on Simpson after the fight had ended and Simpson was trying to disengage. Simpson was then kicked out for not having his sweater tied down.
So once again we're down to 5 defensemen early.

The Ducks had some strangely quiescent spells but overall established their forecheck pretty well. Fedorov made a lot of noise but he's on his own. The second line's been good, Sykora's had two big chances that should've been goals and Prospal had some lesser chances. Rooch still doesn't look comfortable.

The defense warmed up a bit. Vishnevsky is annoyed at Walker and hopefully that will wake him up some.

Gerber looks very much on his game. If that idiot Koharski deigns to give us a couple more power plays we will score. It looks good.

That's it for the first.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:03 PM
I'm already tired of hearing about Tootoo being the first Inuit to play in the NHL.

I think the entire population of Nunavut is in attendance.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:04 PM
Hooray, the Canes tied it up. Welcome back, Cole.

Okay, I'll change the channel back now.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:08 PM
Hey, they're retiring Fuhr's jersey. I think he was a great goalie. Say what you want about offensive support, but he had zero defensive support. His reflexes are second only to maybe Hasek's.

duckjob
10-09-2003, 06:09 PM
Hooray, the Canes tied it up. Welcome back, Cole.

Okay, I'll change the channel back now.
cool, i found it on the center ice preveiw, on a side note, i have a new found respect for brian hayward and john ahlers, these play by play guys are horrible

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:10 PM
Oh Sykora just missed on the backhand. Nice feed by Ozo. Hope Petr's not getting snakebit again.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:13 PM
Sykora robbed again right in front. Christ. Rucchin split the D and made a cross crease pass and Vokoun was there.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:14 PM
Gerbs made a huge save on Arkhipov, and again on the rebound shot by Sauer. Yeah that's right.

Nieds hit the post on the other end off a pass from Fedorov.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:17 PM
Johansson scores from the slot, one-time feed from somebody. He was all alone.

duckjob
10-09-2003, 06:17 PM
christ... the first bit of sustained preasure they get and they score. lupul missed his man

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:19 PM
Run and gun for a bit and our defense blinked first. I

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:22 PM
2-on-0 Krog and Ozo, Krog to Ozo, Ozo dekes and doesn't get it up, save Vokoun.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:23 PM
Nieds made an awesome pass to spring them on the 2-on-0.

Now we'll be shorthanded. Vish for high-sticking.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:25 PM
Whoops, no. 4-on-4? Didn't catch why.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:26 PM
Nope we're shorthanded. The stupid Nashville feed just didn't mention the power play time, plus Johnson and Holmqvist were forechecking really well. Good kill by them, then.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:27 PM
Vish missed a wide-open net out of the box.

Eaton scores on a rebound, another missed defensive assignment, Sykora's.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:32 PM
Vokoun made about 3 good saves there. Ducks being body slammed to the ice everywhere, Koharski was drooling over the sandwhich he's gonna have after the game.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:34 PM
Burnett and Brookebank again. Maybe big Garret is just going to keep fighting until he wins one outright.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:36 PM
Lupul with a nice backhand from the slot that Vokoun saved. This blows.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:37 PM
Sykora hit the post from the point, ducks on a power play.

Snap Wilson
10-09-2003, 06:37 PM
We're getting lots of great offensive opportunities, but they're getting all the loose pucks. We're more talented by leaps and bounds but we're getting OUTWORKED! Get on it, Anaheim!

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:40 PM
Lupul almost had a breakaway, broken up at the last second by Hamhuis.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 06:43 PM
Second period same story as the first, except the Preds put their few chances away.

2 goals down headed into the 3rd, sound familiar?

Snap Wilson
10-09-2003, 06:59 PM
Niedermayer scores. Here we go, baby!

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 07:00 PM
Nieds! 42 seconds in on a deflection, from Fedorov and ozolinsh. Nice rush.

Snap Wilson
10-09-2003, 07:01 PM
Niedermayer from Feds and Ozo... nice quick backhanded pass by Feds.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 07:02 PM
Now we're on a power play...? These guys suck. Nope, both guys are gone. Sykora and Murray.

EDIT - no its a power play for us.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 07:05 PM
Awful power play. We sure know how to kill our own momentum.

Kings lose 3-2 on a detroit goal with 1.7 seconds left. *snicker* We're not alone in our suckiness.

Snap Wilson
10-09-2003, 07:07 PM
Back to playing awful. Gerber almost pulled an Osgood and got caught out of the net, but the Nashville player missed the net.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 07:08 PM
Prospal is hogtied at center ice, leading to an odd-man rush.

Ozo shoved Walker into Gerbs, and they're calling Walker for goalie interference. Referees are the epitome of stupid, but this time we benefit.

Snap Wilson
10-09-2003, 07:08 PM
Gerber stops a breakaway opportunity by Jason freakin' York. If we come out of this with a freakin' point, consider us lucky!

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 07:09 PM
York with a shorthanded breakaway and Gerber saves our *****.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 07:10 PM
That power play was the worst yet! Wheeeeee!

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 07:12 PM
Tootoo seems to be a Tyson Nash clone. What's all the buzz about?

Bobby Ryan Getzlaf
10-09-2003, 07:12 PM
Wow that PP really sucked. They gotta start playing like they can now.

Snap Wilson
10-09-2003, 07:14 PM
Nashville has an interesting thing going. Allow the Ducks into the crease and then give up long rebounds where the Preds can pick them up.

What a ****** game. Consider this two points dropped that we should have had if we don't manage to come back.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 07:14 PM
Now THAT'S a $54 million power play. Timmonen-Zidlicky-Legwand, tic-tac-toe. 3-1 Preds, game over.

Snap Wilson
10-09-2003, 07:16 PM
And Nashville scores. That's it. Bulls*t game by the Ducks. I hope Babs chews their ***** out.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 07:21 PM
Can we please put Fedorov with some decent stickhandlers? Krog is drowning in his ice time.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 07:23 PM
Sykora fans on a breakaway...

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 07:25 PM
Sykora missed the net on another break.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 07:27 PM
Gerbs with a skate save on Orszagh on a break.

Krog is with Lupul and Pahlsson now. Top line is Fedorov, Sykora, Nieds.

Snap Wilson
10-09-2003, 07:28 PM
How many breakaways have we allowed tonight? PATHETIC.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 07:29 PM
Penalty on Salei for interference somehow. Refs bring the whistle out just long enough to kill our tiny comeback chance.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 07:30 PM
Ozo, one too many moves in the slot. Poke-checked away...

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 07:31 PM
Time out comes way too late, down two goals with 10 seconds left.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 07:33 PM
Another game, another loss. Feels like 01-02.

Professor John Frink
10-09-2003, 07:53 PM
Another game, another loss. Feels like 01-02.

Man oh man I am really ****ing agrivated with the outcome of this one. Babcock had got some time now to view tape and figure out some new things for Sundays game.

0-3 would be a ****ing joke when two of the games were against Nashville/Phoenix.

McDonald19
10-09-2003, 08:11 PM
I expected us to lose to Dallas, but what happened out there tonight? 0-2 going into the home opener vs Phoenix...then a game vs possibly the best team in the league(Ottawa)...If we can't beat Phoenix were not going to beat Ottawa...0-4 start is a possibility...Hopefully Babcock will change the lines up for Sundays game.

Atleast Burnett is playing the goon role very well without giving the other team any power plays so far...and Niedermayer looks like he might have a big season...everybody else needs to step up their games.

Duckstudd269
10-09-2003, 08:21 PM
Does anybody think these would be the best lines?

Lupul- Feds- Nieds

Prospal- Rooch- Sykora

Chistov- Phalsson- Krog

Burnett- Johnson- Holmqvist


you could switch nieds and sykora and i wouldnt be dissapointed.

McDonald19
10-09-2003, 08:33 PM
Does anybody think these would be the best lines?

Lupul- Feds- Nieds

Prospal- Rooch- Sykora

Chistov- Phalsson- Krog

Burnett- Johnson- Holmqvist


you could switch nieds and sykora and i wouldnt be dissapointed.

Those lines might work...with McDonald coming back very soon, put him in Krogs spot drop Krog to center the 4th line move Johnson to wing, and Holmqvist out of the lineup.

by the way how did Holmqvist look in his first NHL game?

mmbt
10-09-2003, 08:40 PM
Those lines might work...with McDonald coming back very soon, put him in Krogs spot drop Krog to center the 4th line move Johnson to wing, and Holmqvist out of the lineup.

by the way how did Holmqvist look in his first NHL game?

Better than Smirnov. Decent enough for the 4th line, and had a good scoring chance early.

Ducksfan2035
10-09-2003, 09:09 PM
uugghhh i dont like this so far,should of been a win against nashvill..ehhh...i just got back from the panthers opening night game and it was great..finaly get to see some hockey and i was there wearing my ducks jersey :D ..we're gonna get better,i know it

SmokeyClause
10-09-2003, 09:35 PM
Penalty on Salei for interference somehow. Refs bring the whistle out just long enough to kill our tiny comeback chance.

Hartnell was skating towards the puck and an empty net and Salei puts his butt into Hartnell and takes him out. The puck is about 10-15 feet away at this time. Definitely interference.

Must have watched a different game here guys. Nashville seemed like the more talented team out there. We should have scored atleast 2 more goals (Hall missed an empty net wide, he didn't realize he had more time to shoot) and Orszagh missed an easy goal on the break. Johnson also had a break on the PK and didn't capitalize. We also fanned on a couple of one-timers from the high slot (Tootoo and Johnson). You guys missed your chances but we missed just as many. I thought the Predators played a smart, physical game and despite being incredibly rusty (and nervous) to start out the game, they really took over in the second and third. The goal by Neids was just one of those plays. Puck bounces to the stick of Rob who outmuscled Zidlicky in front of the net.

Thought Walker fought incredibly well and won the fight when you consider that Simpson cheated. Without the illegal jersey setup, Simpson wins in a much closer battle than was said. Walker landed tons of good blows and if I'm Simpson, I'm wondering how I just stalemated a guy who is 6 inches shorter and 30 pounds less. Definitely not a fight I'd be bragging about.

The best player out there was Vokoun and the second best was Legand. I thought Sykora could have easily had a hattrick. Once he was stoned by Vokoun but a few times, he just missed his chances.

As for Tootoo, he didn't look great tonight. OK considering it's his first game but not as good as his preseason games. Looked very, very nervous to start out the game. Drew a penalty that led to the Legwand goal.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 09:39 PM
I'd like to move Vinny around a bit, get him going. Maybe Prospal-Fedorov-Nieds
and Chistov-Rucchin-Sykora

and then whatever.

6 defensemen for 60 minutes would be special

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 09:40 PM
Hartnell was skating towards the puck and an empty net and Salei puts his butt into Hartnell and takes him out. The puck is about 10-15 feet away at this time. Definitely interference.

Must have watched a different game here guys. Nashville seemed like the more talented team out there. We should have scored atleast 2 more goals (Hall missed an empty net wide, he didn't realize he had more time to shoot) and Orszagh missed an easy goal on the break. Johnson also had a break on the PK and didn't capitalize. We also fanned on a couple of one-timers from the high slot (Tootoo and Johnson). You guys missed your chances but we missed just as many. I thought the Predators played a smart, physical game and despite being incredibly rusty (and nervous) to start out the game, they really took over in the second and third. The goal by Neids was just one of those plays. Puck bounces to the stick of Rob who outmuscled Zidlicky in front of the net.

Thought Walker fought incredibly well and won the fight when you consider that Simpson cheated. Without the illegal jersey setup, Simpson wins in a much closer battle than was said. Walker landed tons of good blows and if I'm Simpson, I'm wondering how I just stalemated a guy who is 6 inches shorter and 30 pounds less. Definitely not a fight I'd be bragging about.

The best player out there was Vokoun and the second best was Legand. I thought Sykora could have easily had a hattrick. Once he was stoned by Vokoun but a few times, he just missed his chances.

As for Tootoo, he didn't look great tonight. OK considering it's his first game but not as good as his preseason games. Looked very, very nervous to start out the game. Drew a penalty that led to the Legwand goal.
Yeah, we watched a different game.

sunuru75
10-09-2003, 09:50 PM
Where is our offense?

I mean it's nice that Nieds scored two goals in two games, but he is not our primary producer. I know that it's too early, but our offense does not look sharp like that of the other teams. Maybe they are still in preseason mode, but please show up in the next game.

Av-merican
10-09-2003, 10:19 PM
From what I saw of this game, the Ducks looked just as sloppy as they were last night. There just doesn't seem to be any chemistry on the lines.

Is Prospal still in Tampa? I have yet to hear his name mentioned at all. :mad:

Made a pretty juicy bet with my friend in Vegas. If Giguere doesn't get a little more offensive support, I'll be forced to wear a CECHMANEK jersey in public! Ugh...:mad:

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-09-2003, 10:34 PM
We'll beat Phoenix.

caliamad
10-09-2003, 11:16 PM
Our offense is getting plenty of scoring changes, but the defense looks horrible...

Carney is sorely missed, and we can't hold it together without him.

Simpson looks horrible... absolutely horrible... besides fighting, and an occasional hit, the guy looks nothing more than a goon. And when a good is a defenseman, it really hurts when he's off the ice. How was this guy a captain of any team, even calgary. Vish makes this guy look like an all star

No one in our defensive lineup is ready to step up and be #1 stopper. Salei is the best candidate but he's not that type of leader.

Halvelid looks like he's constantly getting outmuscled and Sauer looks like he's quickly losing his confidence. Its ugly out there.

But like I said offensive side of the puck.. i mean wow, these guys are creating plays and creating plays. We should have scored 10 goals the last two games, I mean just point blank opportunities after another. Guys missing 2 on 0s, breakaways, off the posts... wow...

Snap Wilson
10-09-2003, 11:47 PM
Must have watched a different game here guys. Nashville seemed like the more talented team out there.

In terms of skill? No, not a chance. Nashville got their goals from hard work and it paid off, but it's a team of scrappers and scrubs. They can hope to have a Minnesota-type season at best, but scoring won't come naturally to them.

And gimme a break, Simpson already had Walker BLEEDING before he even got to grabbing the jersey. That was a clear demolition.

Vokoun did have a heck of a game, though, I'll give you that.

fez
10-10-2003, 12:42 AM
Yeah Vokoun is the man

Lupul- Feds- Nieds

Yes!

(And Yes! for all the other lines too, this leaves the 3rd line pretty weak, but when Andy Mac comes back they should get something going too)

Sminov is cincy fodder. (Does he have to clear waivers first?)

triggrman
10-10-2003, 04:47 AM
In terms of skill? No, not a chance. Nashville got their goals from hard work and it paid off, but it's a team of scrappers and scrubs. They can hope to have a Minnesota-type season at best, but scoring won't come naturally to them.

And gimme a break, Simpson already had Walker BLEEDING before he even got to grabbing the jersey. That was a clear demolition.

Vokoun did have a heck of a game, though, I'll give you that.
No, Walker did do very well in that fight, and that upper cut stunned Simpson, I was only about 20 feet away.

Legwand owned the game tonight and he is just as talented as anyone on your roster. Overall we out hit, out skated, and oh yea, out scored you all. Talentless scrubs, whatever. We're young, but very talented. Hartnell and Arkhipov also both had many good chances. Adam Hall turned your defensemen inside out more than once too. On one powerrplay for you guys Legwand took the puck away from one guy in the corner, then lost it during the double team, but before the puck could be taken up ice he took it from Federov and basically kept the puck in the corner by himself, yeh, talentless scrubs.

Lupul is a painfully slow skater.

Colorado_Starsfan
10-10-2003, 08:25 AM
No, Walker did do very well in that fight, and that upper cut stunned Simpson, I was only about 20 feet away.

Legwand owned the game tonight and he is just as talented as anyone on your roster. Overall we out hit, out skated, and oh yea, out scored you all. Talentless scrubs, whatever. We're young, but very talented. Hartnell and Arkhipov also both had many good chances. Adam Hall turned your defensemen inside out more than once too. On one powerrplay for you guys Legwand took the puck away from one guy in the corner, then lost it during the double team, but before the puck could be taken up ice he took it from Federov and basically kept the puck in the corner by himself, yeh, talentless scrubs.

Lupul is a painfully slow skater.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think Dallas has never beat the Predators. I know our record against them is REALLY bad. They have plenty of talent, although they are young. Besides, I wouldn't talk smack until you manage to put SOME sort of win on the board. I think you can take Phoenix though. :p

McDonald19
10-10-2003, 08:30 AM
Yeah Vokoun is the man



Yes!

(And Yes! for all the other lines too, this leaves the 3rd line pretty weak, but when Andy Mac comes back they should get something going too)

Sminov is cincy fodder. (Does he have to clear waivers first?)

No waivers for Smirnov, we can safely send him down...which we should as soon as Andy comes back.

McDonald19
10-10-2003, 08:33 AM
No, Walker did do very well in that fight, and that upper cut stunned Simpson, I was only about 20 feet away.

Legwand owned the game tonight and he is just as talented as anyone on your roster. Overall we out hit, out skated, and oh yea, out scored you all. Talentless scrubs, whatever. We're young, but very talented. Hartnell and Arkhipov also both had many good chances. Adam Hall turned your defensemen inside out more than once too. On one powerrplay for you guys Legwand took the puck away from one guy in the corner, then lost it during the double team, but before the puck could be taken up ice he took it from Federov and basically kept the puck in the corner by himself, yeh, talentless scrubs.

Lupul is a painfully slow skater.

Legwand will never be as talented as Sergei Federov. Federov is one of the 5 most talented players of the last 10 years, and your all excited about your player Legwand who has done nothing in comparison to Lecavalier who was drafted right before him. You guys have had the worst drafting, Not your fault you just missed out on Lecavalier...but taking Upshall instead of Lupul...damn...pretty bad...

also Lupul is a good skater, not great but good, don't know what your talking about.

triggrman
10-10-2003, 09:18 AM
Actually we got an extra draft pick for taking upshall (the better player IMHO) and if I'm not mistaking we used that draft pick to draft Richard Stehlik this year.

As far as us having the "worst drafting", that's a joke, we've been one of the best drafting teams. Arhipov-3rd round, Hartnell, Hall-2nd round, Hamhuis, Legwand, Erat-9th round and Tootoo-4th round, are all draft picks from us that were on the roster last night, 7 players in the last 6 drafts, sounds pretty solid to me.

barrytrotzsneck
10-10-2003, 09:19 AM
Legwand will never be as talented as Sergei Federov. Federov is one of the 5 most talented players of the last 10 years, and your all excited about your player Legwand who has done nothing in comparison to Lecavalier who was drafted right before him. You guys have had the worst drafting, Not your fault you just missed out on Lecavalier...but taking Upshall instead of Lupul...damn...pretty bad...

also Lupul is a good skater, not great but good, don't know what your talking about.

a) legwand is EVERY bit as good defensively as Lecavalier is offensively, maybe even better...and Legwand's offense started to catch up, last year. Prior to getting injured, he was on pace for 28 goals,and playing a point per game hockey for a stretch. 30-35 goals is not at all out of reach, starting this year. there's a reason he's being picked to be one of the most dominant two-way forwards in years to come. and as far as our drafting...you won't find many people who agree that we haven't drafted well, considering the late round steals we've picked up. the only move that looks bad right now was brian finley in the first round in 99...but he's still very young, and looks like he's turning it around.

b) you're a homer, and it's obvious you'd rather have lupul than upshall..but most wouldn't agree with you. in fact...we made just such a poll at one point, and upshall one it handedly. lupul is more of a "might" be a scorer...whereas upshall WILL be a gritty two-way forward. i don't think taking the sure thing is "bad drafting."

mmbt
10-10-2003, 09:51 AM
b) you're a homer, and it's obvious you'd rather have lupul than upshall..but most wouldn't agree with you. in fact...we made just such a poll at one point, and upshall one it handedly. lupul is more of a "might" be a scorer...whereas upshall WILL be a gritty two-way forward. i don't think taking the sure thing is "bad drafting."

Who knows who will be better, but I'll bet most of the people who participate in the polls around here have barely seen the players in question actually play more than a game or two, if even that.

Who most people would rather have now is irrelevant. After all, there was a time when everyone would rather have had Olli Jokinen than just about any prospect in the league.

Hank
10-10-2003, 10:14 AM
After all, there was a time when everyone would rather have had Olli Jokinen than just about any prospect in the league.

Put me down on the list that would rather have Jokinen RIGHT NOW rather than the vast majority of unproven prospects.

Hank
10-10-2003, 10:22 AM
Atleast Burnett is playing the goon role very well without giving the other team any power plays so far...and Niedermayer looks like he might have a big season...everybody else needs to step up their games.

Burnett's stupid roughing penalty in the 3rd led to the Legwand goal and absolutely killed any momentum the Ducks had following the Niedermayer goal. The whole team just gave up after that point.

Babcock needs to suriously shorten the leash on both Burnett and especially Simpson. I've got nothing against fighting, but both these guys need to skate a regular shift once in a while.

McDonald19
10-10-2003, 10:29 AM
Burnett's stupid roughing penalty in the 3rd led to the Legwand goal and absolutely killed any momentum the Ducks had following the Niedermayer goal. The whole team just gave up after that point.

Babcock needs to suriously shorten the leash on both Burnett and especially Simpson. I've got nothing against fighting, but both these guys need to skate a regular shift once in a while.

Yeah i wrote that before I knew about his third period penalty.
I probably wouldn't even have him on the ice in the third in a close game if I was the coach...give him his ice time in the first and second.

mmbt
10-10-2003, 10:29 AM
Put me down on the list that would rather have Jokinen RIGHT NOW rather than the vast majority of unproven prospects.

Oh, sure. I only used Jokinen as an example since he's become a pretty good player, as I suspect Upshall will as well, but even so there's plenty of guys who were lesser-regarded prospects around the mid to late 90's who became better players than him, guys who were riskier picks. But that's a high-end example of a safe pick that panned out (albeit it took a while).

On the low end, you have other "safe picks," who were locks to be two-way contributors, who ended up like Todd Harvey or Scott Kelman or Daniel Tkaczuk, or slightly better ones like Manny Malhotra. In any case, guys like that are a dime a dozen, and certainly you don't need to waste a high 1st rounder on them. Really, the only sure thing about prospects is that there are no sure things, doesn't matter whether you're taking the supposed safe bets or swinging for the fences.

Whenever I see a scouting report that says, "safe pick," I can't help but chuckle.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-10-2003, 11:41 AM
You really don't notice Simpson except for the fights. I'm glad he 's good at it but what the hell? How far is Murray going to carry this grit garbage? I'd rather be pushed around and win a few games. It'd be nice to have six defensemen for a whole game.

Be even nicer if one of them was Keith Carney.

lux_interior
10-10-2003, 12:06 PM
I seriously hope this is some early season rust. Because so far, other than Neidermayer, we just suck.

Jshibley
10-10-2003, 12:14 PM
Yeah i wrote that before I knew about his third period penalty.
I probably wouldn't even have him on the ice in the third in a close game if I was the coach...give him his ice time in the first and second.

Exactly....I didn't even see the game, but i saw the box score and saw they scored on the power play from burnetts penatly, and i was like "whare are you thinking!?!?!". I'm okay with fights because the penalties even eachother out......but lame roughing penalties oh man those lose games for any team.

Hank
10-10-2003, 12:23 PM
I probably wouldn't even have him on the ice in the third in a close game if I was the coach...give him his ice time in the first and second.

If he can't skate a regular shift, send him to the minors. There are plenty of guys that can play better even if they don't fight as well... Ward for one.

Hockeyfan02
10-10-2003, 12:50 PM
Ugh. I didnt catch the first 35 minutes but geez we looked bad in our own end again in the last 25. Keith Carney needs to come back fast. Lets not jump on our offense though. Its producing chances but Turco and Vokoun are two very good goaltenders, just Vokoun is another Giggy in the terms of he had a good year last year but no one talks about him. Prospal has had a poor 2 games so far. Feds is creating chances, but needs to bury some chances. Why is Krog on the 1st line? Nieds is playing well. We SHOULD beat Phoenix, all we need is a solid 60 minute game in our own end which hasnt been happening.

Snap Wilson
10-10-2003, 01:44 PM
Legwand owned the game tonight and he is just as talented as anyone on your roster. Overall we out hit, out skated, and oh yea, out scored you all. Talentless scrubs, whatever. We're young, but very talented. Hartnell and Arkhipov also both had many good chances. Adam Hall turned your defensemen inside out more than once too. On one powerrplay for you guys Legwand took the puck away from one guy in the corner, then lost it during the double team, but before the puck could be taken up ice he took it from Federov and basically kept the puck in the corner by himself, yeh, talentless scrubs.

Trigger: You could use a lesson in decorum from your pal, Smokey. Your boys got the win tonight and you should be happy about that, but this AIN'T a reincarnation of the '77 Canadiens. There's a saying in football: When you score, act like you've been there before.

When your team actually makes the playoffs, you can remind us how talented they are.

triggrman
10-10-2003, 04:36 PM
Trigger: You could use a lesson in decorum from your pal, Smokey. Your boys got the win tonight and you should be happy about that, but this AIN'T a reincarnation of the '77 Canadiens. There's a saying in football: When you score, act like you've been there before.

When your team actually makes the playoffs, you can remind us how talented they are.
I'm not rubbing anything in, far from it. But to call us talentless scrubs is just a slap in the face, especially when they outplayed the Ducks, then to come back and try to dog the Predators drafting? I think some of the Ducks posters could use a few lessons.

Where in the hell did I say they were the best? I said talented.

McDonald19
10-10-2003, 04:43 PM
I'm not rubbing anything in, far from it. But to call us talentless scrubs is just a slap in the face, especially when they outplayed the Ducks, then to come back and try to dog the Predators drafting? I think some of the Ducks posters could use a few lessons.

Where in the hell did I say they were the best? I said talented.

Well we wouldn't point out your team's flaws if you weren't getting so excited about one win.

Snap Wilson
10-10-2003, 07:13 PM
I'm not rubbing anything in, far from it. But to call us talentless scrubs is just a slap in the face, especially when they outplayed the Ducks, then to come back and try to dog the Predators drafting? I think some of the Ducks posters could use a few lessons.

Where in the hell did I say they were the best? I said talented.

I never called them "talentless scrubs," I said they were "scrappers and scrubs" and I'll stick by it. They need to upgrade the talent if they're going to seriously contend for a playoff spot. And speaking on behalf of all Duck fans... *WE'VE BEEN THERE!*

Legwand and Arkhipov are second-line talent at best. Timmonen is a good young d-man and Vokoun had a fine season last year. I'm not dogging the team, just telling it like it is. You guys don't get scoring opportunities through pretty passing and displays of skill, you score 'em through hustle and grit, and Legwand's goal where he got a nice pass on the PP aside, that's how you got 'em last night.

MoneyP

triggrman
10-10-2003, 07:42 PM
Oh, so Legwand is second line talent, see I didn't know that, now that you and all your wisdom from the ducks many playoffs appearances shed the light on my poor blind eyes I understand.

You're right, we're a team full of scrubs and castoffs, with no talent.

lux_interior
10-10-2003, 08:45 PM
And speaking on behalf of all Duck fans... *WE'VE BEEN THERE!*
MoneyP
That's dumb. We've been to the playoffs 3 times in 10 years. If you're going to say things like that, I'd rather you not speak for me.

Snap Wilson
10-10-2003, 09:02 PM
That's dumb. We've been to the playoffs 3 times in 10 years. If you're going to say things like that, I'd rather you not speak for me.

LI: I'm talking about the need to upgrade talent. Remember the many years we didn't have a worthwhile second line?

Hockeyfan02
10-10-2003, 09:07 PM
Please stop now. Just cause were Western Conf. champs doesnt mean we can brag about playoff appearances. We have yet to make the playoffs back to back and were not starting off well. Nashville outplayed us and were the better team Thursday.

lux_interior
10-10-2003, 10:38 PM
LI: I'm talking about the need to upgrade talent. Remember the many years we didn't have a worthwhile second line?
Yeah, I know what you mean. I'd just lay off the comments about the Ducks knowing all about the playoffs. We made the playoffs last year, but we've only made the playoffs twice in the last 6 years. That's nothing to really brag about. Last year was great and all. But this team hasn't proved anything yet, IMO.

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-10-2003, 11:43 PM
LI: I'm talking about the need to upgrade talent. Remember the many years we didn't have a worthwhile second line?
And now we don't have a worthwhile first line! Progress!

Snap Wilson
10-11-2003, 01:10 AM
Crimony, is reading comprehension at an all-time low? Where was I bragging? I'm talking about offensive talent. I hope you all would agree we've IMPROVED over the years in that area, right?

Incredulous,
MoneyP

Spankatola Jamnuts
10-11-2003, 08:48 AM
Why is this thread still active? Haven't we already decided that the Predators are more talented than we'll ever be, and it was only by the grace of god that Simpson didn't die from the pounding he took from Walker?

McDonald19
10-11-2003, 06:53 PM
Why is this thread still active? Haven't we already decided that the Predators are more talented than we'll ever be, and it was only by the grace of god that Simpson didn't die from the pounding he took from Walker?

:D hehe