GDT: Devils at Flyers, 10/7

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New Jersey Devils at Philadelphia FlyersWachovia Center, Philadelphia, PA

Broadcast
Television: FSN NY, 6:30 PM Devils Game Night, 7:00 Game Time.
Radio: 660 WFAN, Internet Broadcast (http://gameradio.nhl.com/cc/playa.php?url=http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nhl/9302/20_nhl-newjersey_game_audio_050909.asx)

Game-Day Articles
The Star-Ledger:
“ Devils-Flyers Rivalry Takes on New Look (http://www.nj.com/devils/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/112866085172370.xml&coll=1)”

Bergen Record
"Devils-Flyers Rivarly Still Hot (http://www.bergen.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMzMmZmdi ZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTY3ODc3NjcmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZU VFeXk2)"

New York Post:
“Brodeur, Blanks Still a 'Bonus' (http://www.nypost.com/sports/devils/29126.htm)”

Asbury Park Press:
“ Devils Ready to Renew Rivalry Against Flyers (http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051007/SPORTS/510070479/1002)”

NHL.com
“Game Preview ( http://www.nhl.com/scores/previews/19_2_preview.html)”
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The Devils take their act on the road for the first time in the 2005-06 NHL season when they travel 100 miles south to take on divisional rival Philadelphia. New Jersey is coming off a resounding 5-1 victory over Mario Lemieux’s Pittsburgh Penguins on opening night. Contrarily, the Philadelphia Flyers lost their first contest to the New York Rangers 5-3 after leading 3-1.

Over the last ten NHL seasons (since 1994-95,) the New Jersey Devils and Philadelphia Flyers have each won the Atlantic Division five times. The Devils are 62-56-15 all-time against the Broad Street Bullies in the regular season.
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New Jersey Devils Roster (http://www.newjerseydevils.com/2005/html/theteam/roster.php)
Philadelpha Flyers Roster ( http://www.philadelphiaflyers.com/team/roster/rosterlist.asp)

I love the quotes in the Star Ledger where the Devils don't have to compete with the Flyers big spending, while the Devils have the higher payroll.

I'm not sure what Marshall and McGillis were talking about. In any case, both teams are under the same cap.

I love the quotes in the Star Ledger where the Devils don't have to compete with the Flyers big spending, while the Devils have the higher payroll.

You make a good point. However, you have to take into consideration that the Flyers were able to eat two huge contracts. Devils could never have afford doing the same!

Should be a good game, I dont see this one staying in regulation. I'm going to say we see the first Devils shootout tonight...3-2 Devils in shootout.

Goals from Mogilny, Gionta and shootout goal from Mogilny.
Philly I'll say Pitkanen and Gagne.

Unfortunately I have work till late, so I'm going to miss tonights game :thumbd:

I love the quotes in the Star Ledger where the Devils don't have to compete with the Flyers big spending, while the Devils have the higher payroll.


Come on now............How many times over the last 15 years have the Devils had a higher Payroll than the Flyers????

Maybe 2 months in the last 15 years????

This game will come down to goaltending. The Flyers will come out buzzing the first 5 to 10 minutes of the game. If the Devs weather the storm and and Marty is on like the other night, we should beat them. Especially, if Esche doesn't step up.

We're faster. We have better defense. We have better offense. We have far better goaltending. There's no reason we should lose tonight.

...

Which means we probably will ;)

Come on now............How many times over the last 15 years have the Devils had a higher Payroll than the Flyers????

Maybe 2 months in the last 15 years???? None of that has anything bearing on this season though, nor with the point the article made:

McGillis, one of the Devils' free-agent pickups, said there was no need to match the Flyers dollar for dollar. Good thing they don't Dan, or you'd be out of a job.

We're faster. We have better defense. We have better offense. We have far better goaltending. There's no reason we should lose tonight.

...

Which means we probably will ;)
Better goaltending by far, not a better offense or D, probably faster not a huge diff.

Better goaltending by far, not a better offense or D, probably faster not a huge diff.

I like our offense right now...but to say its better than Philly is a stretch. Defense i'm going to have to go with the Devils system better than Philly's...but as far as individual players...the Flyers are more talented. Goaltending its just not even close.

None of that has anything bearing on this season though, nor with the point the article made:

Good thing they don't Dan, or you'd be out of a job.


However, eating contracts on a one time buy-out that wouldn't show up on a teams cap, does! If not for that offer by the NHL and the Flyers being one of a few teams that were able to eat that type of money, they would have been in big trouble.

Better goaltending by far, not a better offense or D, probably faster not a huge diff.

Gagne - Forsberg - Carter

vs.

Brylin-Gomez-Mogilny

Name-wise, their first line definatly has us beat. But our line is proven, and it's closer than people think.

Knuble - Richards - Sim

vs.

Parise-Kozlov-Gionta

IMO the Devils win this one handily.


Brashear - Primeau - Stevenson

vs.

Pandolfo - Madden- Langenbrunner

Not even close. Our 3rd line is far more suited to the new NHL. Primeau was great in 2004 when he could do as he pleased.

Savage - Handzus - Radivojevic

vs.

Marshall-Rheaume-Rasmussen

Close, but our 4th line was excellent on wednesday.

Defense is arguable. I think that the players are comparable, but IMO our system trumps theirs. Honestly this issue has been beaten to death.

A perfect night would be two shoutouts, one by Marty and the other by Big Randy Johnson (If it doesn't rain). :D

Go Devils! Go Yankees!

Gagne - Forsberg - Carter

vs.

Brylin-Gomez-Mogilny

Name-wise, their first line definatly has us beat. But our line is proven, and it's closer than people think.

Knuble - Richards - Sim

vs.

Parise-Kozlov-Gionta

IMO the Devils win this one handily.


Brashear - Primeau - Stevenson

vs.

Pandolfo - Madden- Langenbrunner

Not even close. Our 3rd line is far more suited to the new NHL. Primeau was great in 2004 when he could do as he pleased.

Savage - Handzus - Radivojevic

vs.

Marshall-Rheaume-Rasmussen

Close, but our 4th line was excellent on wednesday.

Defense is arguable. I think that the players are comparable, but IMO our system trumps theirs. Honestly this issue has been beaten to death.

Are you kidding me ???

Gagne - Forsberg - Carter

vs.

Brylin-Gomez-Mogilny

Name-wise, their first line definatly has us beat. But our line is proven, and it's closer than people think.

Knuble - Richards - Sim

vs.

Parise-Kozlov-Gionta

IMO the Devils win this one handily.


Brashear - Primeau - Stevenson

vs.

Pandolfo - Madden- Langenbrunner

Not even close. Our 3rd line is far more suited to the new NHL. Primeau was great in 2004 when he could do as he pleased.

Savage - Handzus - Radivojevic

vs.

Marshall-Rheaume-Rasmussen

Close, but our 4th line was excellent on wednesday.

Defense is arguable. I think that the players are comparable, but IMO our system trumps theirs. Honestly this issue has been beaten to death.
when broken down like that your forwards are hands down better my apoligies for questioning and comparing the 2. Can you explain how your system trumps the Flyers, just curious. I see how Primeau was great in 2004 but so horrible this year already. wow all this after 1 game.

when broken down like that your forwards are hands down better my apoligies for questioning and comparing the 2. Can you explain how your system trumps the Flyers, just curious. I see how Primeau was great in 2004 but so horrible this year already. wow all this after 1 game.

Lets get one thing straight, Primeau had a horrible season in 2004, I believe he only had about 25 points for the whole year. However, in his defense, he had a awesome playoffs.

Lets get one thing straight, Primeau had a horrible season in 2004, I believe he only had about 25 points for the whole year. However, in his defense, he had a awesome playoffs.
Never said he didn't have a horrible season. The previous post said he had a great 2004 season, I was making light of it, so you get 1 thing straight and learn how to read.

Never said he didn't have a horrible season. The previous post said he had a great 2004 season, I was making light of it, so you get 1 thing straight and learn how to read.


Or you should learn how to properly express yourself in English or trying using the little sarcasm smiley!

Lets get one thing straight, Primeau had a horrible season in 2004, I believe he only had about 25 points for the whole year. However, in his defense, he had a awesome playoffs.

Let's get one thing straight, you couldn't be more wrong.

While Primeau did put many points on the board during the regular season, and did miss a number of games due to concussion problems, while dressed he was the best and most important Flyer during the regular season.

As a Devils fan should certainly know ... numbers don't tell the whole story.

Let's get one thing straight, you couldn't be more wrong.

While Primeau did put many points on the board during the regular season, and did miss a number of games due to concussion problems, while dressed he was the best and most important Flyer during the regular season.

As a Devils fan should certainly know ... numbers don't tell the whole story.


I don' t know much about is injuries in 2004. Did he miss half a season? Because I do know that 25 pts, equals a piss poor year for a player of Primeau's caliber. Try taking off those orange colored glasses! :shakehead

Let's get one thing straight, you couldn't be more wrong.

While Primeau did put many points on the board during the regular season, and did miss a number of games due to concussion problems, while dressed he was the best and most important Flyer during the regular season.

As a Devils fan should certainly know ... numbers don't tell the whole story.
As a flyers fan have to disagree a little, he was very solid with his 2 way play(not many points as we know) during the regular season but I can't say he was the best and most important(don't know who was possibly Recci but no one stood out specifically). playoffs without a doubt not even anyone was in the same hemisphere

I don' t know much about is injuries in 2004. Did he miss half a season? Because I do know that 25 pts, equals a piss poor year for a player of Primeau's caliber. Try taking off those orange colored glasses! :shakehead

He missed 30 games ... why don't you check the Flyers record during the games he missed.

Was he as good as he was during the playoffs, where he was essentially the best player on the planet ?? No he wasn't playing at that level, but he was most certinaly the Flyers most important player. He's the guy Hitch builds everything around

He missed 30 games ... why don't you check the Flyers record during the games he missed.

Was he as good as he was during the playoffs, where he was essentially the best player on the planet ?? No he wasn't playing at that level, but he was most certinaly the Flyers most important player. He's the guy Hitch builds everything around


If you read my post throughout, before you blew a fuse, you would have seen that I did indicate that he "Was Awesome" in the playoffs and my bad for not realizing he missed that many games.

Both teams are fairly equal in most areas of the game and either could win a game any other night.

NJ has a large advantage in nets, they have the best goaltener in the league going against a rookie. Nitty is a good goaltender but not near Brodeur's level.

Up front Philly is a little bigger and have some better goal scorers while NJ's is a little faster and more discipline. We will be a better team when Elias is back in full form.

On defense NJ showed that we can shut down high octane offenses like years past. It isn't the names on the back of the jersey, its the names on the front. Both have solid defenses and I consider this a wash.

Overall it should be a good game. We will need to roll four lines and split defense minutes well to pull the victory out tonight.

Both teams are fairly equal in most areas of the game and either could win a game any other night.

NJ has a large advantage in nets, they have the best goaltener in the league going against a rookie. Nitty is a good goaltender but not near Brodeur's level.

Up front Philly is a little bigger and have some better goal scorers while NJ's is a little faster and more discipline. We will be a better team when Elias is back in full form.

On defense NJ showed that we can shut down high octane offenses like years past. It isn't the names on the back of the jersey, its the names on the front. Both have solid defenses and I consider this a wash.

Overall it should be a good game. We will need to roll four lines and split defense minutes well to pull the victory out tonight.



finally... voice of reason :bow:

I hear Nitty is getting the nod in net for Philly... can anyone confirm?

I hear Nitty is getting the nod in net for Philly... can anyone confirm?

Yes, it will be

Frank - Devils
Echse @ Toronto
Esche - Pittsburgh
Frank - Isles

After the Isles game the Flyers play just once in the next 9 days. he wanted to get Nitty a fwe starts before the long layoff and he wanted to start him at home.

Yes, it will be

Frank - Devils
Echse @ Toronto
Esche - Pittsburgh
Frank - Isles

After the Isles game the Flyers play just once in the next 9 days. he wanted to get Nitty a fwe starts before the long layoff and he wanted to start him at home.

Wow...that still seems surprising though, resting your starter in the 2nd game of the season without even playing back to back nights against your top division rival. :dunno:

Was this the plan before Esche gave up 5 goals on Wednesday?

NJ has a large advantage in nets,
Up front Philly is a little bigger and have some better goal scorers while NJ's is a little faster and more discipline.

i will ONLY agree with that. I'd say NJ a LOT more discipline.
Not to make any excuses but we are forgetting that the Flyers changed more then half of their roster. Pre-season injuries didn't help and this team need some time to play together.

i will ONLY agree with that. I'd say NJ a LOT more discipline.
Not to make any excuses but we are forgetting that the Flyers changed more then half of their roster. Pre-season injuries didn't help and this team need some time to play together.
What...you think your defense is much better then NJ's?

Wow...that still seems surprising though, resting your starter in the 2nd game of the season without even playing back to back nights against your top division rival. :dunno:

Was this the plan before Esche gave up 5 goals on Wednesday?
I believe so.

I don' t know much about is injuries in 2004. Did he miss half a season? Because I do know that 25 pts, equals a piss poor year for a player of Primeau's caliber. Try taking off those orange colored glasses! :shakehead


Or maybe you should take off your NJ glasses? Madden had 35 points in 80 games playing against top centers in the leauge. Primeau played 54 games scoring 22 points. Numbers are simular.

Bottom line NJ as a team is very organized and disciplined. Unlike Flyers who can take a day off some nights. 5th of October is a perfect example. According to Hitch these problems will be addressed and even if Flyers will lose tonight again (which I do not think it will happen) there is always room for improvement. You will see a different Flyers team tonight.
Improvements:
1. Forsberg and Gagne work well together (hopefully Carter will join them soon)
2. Richards can score on NHL level

Things to work on. Effort, and getting back to NHL top form. Handzus and Primeau need to work harder.

I love the quotes in the Star Ledger where the Devils don't have to compete with the Flyers big spending, while the Devils have the higher payroll.


Not to nitpick but I have read the quotes and it seems to me they are talking about the big names they added compared to the Devils. Which they did do. They made the bigger splash in free agency.

Not to nitpick but I have read the quotes and it seems to me they are talking about the big names they added compared to the Devils. Which they did do. They made the bigger splash in free agency.

This is true. But the Devils are deeper. They have 6 Top 4 defenceman on all teams, the best goalie in the world behind them, the best GM in the game and a proven top 2 lines. The Devils do not sign the best player available. They sign the best fit for their team. That is the method to their success over the years. The Devils are not clearly better, but this notion that the Flyers had the bigger off season free agent wise is true as far as signing the best possible player for their team. How he workouts as compared to the moves Lamoriello made is what is to be determined.

What...you think your defense is much better then NJ's?

I don't think he said that. But, the Flyers roster is nearly half filled with new players, and it will realistically take them a few weeks to gel and build chemistry. Until then, they very well could struggle like they did on Wednesday because they're still so "raw."

Gah, can we just wait until the actually get on the ice?

Wow...that still seems surprising though, resting your starter in the 2nd game of the season without even playing back to back nights against your top division rival. :dunno:

Was this the plan before Esche gave up 5 goals on Wednesday?

Yes, it was.

I'd rather face Chico, Frank likes to stand on his head against us. If he shines again tonight, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get 3 more starts against us this year.

wow. my first season in this forum and i can see the rivalrys in this. let't just wait for the game to start dag nab it

I don't think he said that. But, the Flyers roster is nearly half filled with new players, and it will realistically take them a few weeks to gel and build chemistry. Until then, they very well could struggle like they did on Wednesday because they're still so "raw."
Well he said he "only"agreed with the parts that he quotes so unless he thinks NJ's defense is better I think he prefers Philly's defense alot.

Well he said he "only"agreed with the parts that he quotes so unless he thinks NJ's defense is better I think he prefers Philly's defense alot.
If Hatcher is healthy and plays anything like his Dallas days, I do like the Flyers defense better. If Jersey has 6 defenseman (Rafalski, Malakhov, White, Martin, Matvichuk? McGillis?: ?who can play in anyone's top 4, then the flyers have 5. I like the flyers #1 better, I like our top 4 better, but Jersey clearly gets the edge over any team in the league in the depth category.

I like the Flyers forwards quite a bit better right now as well. When Elias comes back and the Devils make the necessary moves then we can re-evaluate. However, the Flyers are significantly better down the middle and without Elias, the Devils are not dynamic on the wings.

In net Jersey clearly has an edge, a big one at that. If Esche or Nitty play solid against the Devils, I like the Flyers chances in any series that these two teams played. But on any given night, especially tonight, with a flyers team that has very little experience playing together, it's a very tough game to predict.

I just hope the flyers come out with a little more emotion then on opening night and are able to sustain that for 3 periods.

If Hatcher is healthy and plays anything like his Dallas days, I do like the Flyers defense better. If Jersey has 6 defenseman (Rafalski, Malakhov, White, Martin, Matvichuk? McGillis?: ?who can play in anyone's top 4, then the flyers have 5. I like the flyers #1 better, I like our top 4 better, but Jersey clearly gets the edge over any team in the league in the depth category.

I like the Flyers forwards quite a bit better right now as well. When Elias comes back and the Devils make the necessary moves then we can re-evaluate. However, the Flyers are significantly better down the middle and without Elias, the Devils are not dynamic on the wings.

In net Jersey clearly has an edge, a big one at that. If Esche or Nitty play solid against the Devils, I like the Flyers chances in any series that these two teams played. But on any given night, especially tonight, with a flyers team that has very little experience playing together, it's a very tough game to predict.

I just hope the flyers come out with a little more emotion then on opening night and are able to sustain that for 3 periods.
You think Hatcher will be anything like he was in Dallas.....that is hopeing for a lot. I guess we can hope for the same thing in Matvichuk who shutdown Forsberg the best out of any defensmen. Remember, Matvichuk shut down Forsberg i those playoff runs not Hatcher.

Philadelphia is going to be hungry tonight after the New York Rangers spoiled the Flyers 2005-06 Stanley Cup Championship banner raising.

You think Hatcher will be anything like he was in Dallas.....that is hopeing for a lot.The NHL is no longer made for a low-skilled player like Hatcher. His greatest asset was cross-checking opponents in the back outside the crease.

Also, Flyers fans should know that Clarke wanted Malakhov, but Vladimir wanted to return to Russia to play. That is until Lou Lamoriello made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

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Stan Fishcler has the lovable SGT. Schultz on Devils Game Night right now.

Philadelphia is going to be hungry tonight after the New York Rangers spoiled the Flyers 2005-06 Stanley Cup Championship banner raising.

Absolutely and Nitty played unbelievable hockey against us in '03-'04. Devils discipline could really be tested tonight and potentially sidetracked if Oliwa loses it. Hope we don't see a bunch of Flyers 5 on 3's like we did in the Pens opener. Should be fun watching McGillis, Malakhov, and Stevenson all looking to make their own individual statements in this one.

Matt Laughlin just explained FSN NY 2. Here's a link to see if or where it is on your cable/satellite. Without this, I would have to listen to JD and Mike Crispino. JD is really coming off as a homer from what I've heard this year. I guess I was used to him doing playoff games in recent years, so there were obviously no Rangers involved.

FSN NY 2 Lineup (http://www.msgnetwork.com/content_news.jsp?articleID=v0000msgn20051005T23055 3866&newsgroup=ap.sportsml.columnist.article&sports=baseball&team=other&league=mlb)

For all of Cablevision, it will be channel 60, just like Metro. Ah, it will allow me to reminisce about the good old days, if only they will air an episode of Antique Show and Sell after the game.

No Oliwa. Come on Robi we want to see fights.

Paul Martin Jamie Langenbrunner scores on the pp.

Edit: looks like Langenbrunner redirected Paul Martin's shot.

Damn, I wish I could watch this game. I just moved to Edmonton and the earliest I can get my Bell ExpressVu set up is on the 14th of Oct. Have to settle listening to the game on internet radio.

Argh, I missed the first few minutes (and the first goal! Nutbunnies!) because I thought this was at 7:30.

NJ is looking pretty good so far. OK, a little too soon to say that; but a good start is necessary against such a talented team.

They're playing bowls for goals on the Flyers thread. Anybody here going to play?

Want to watch this game, but this has to be the worst broadcast possible. Way too zoomed in, you can only see the guy with the puck. Guess, I'll have to settle on another game.

Langenbrunner seems to be playing a lot better tonight then on Wednesday. Not so much just the power play goal, but you could see him skating better and working harder along the boards beforehand. He seems to always elevate his game against Philadelphia. Dan McGillis hit Zach Parise right at the blueline with a long tape-to-tape pass. Parise had a pass to Kozlov that Viktor wasn't ready for earlier. So far the Devils are carrying the momentum in the 1st.

Langenbrunner seems to be playing a lot better tonight then on Wednesday. McGillis hit Parise right at the blueline with a long tape-to-tape pass. Parise had a pass to Kozlov that Viktor wasn't ready for earlier. So far the Devils are carrying the momentum in the 1st.I agree.

How about the lack of calls against Philadelphia? They interferied with Devils players twice. BS!

Rafalski stood Primeau-donna up.

You know, I never noticed Keith Primeau to be that big until just now on that screen. Then again, I have this lasting memory from '95 of Primeau getting lit up in the Stanley Cup Finals, so, my view of KP is biased because of that.

The Devils' PK unit is still strong. Great job, guys.

Flyers are really pressing now.

Want to watch this game, but this has to be the worst broadcast possible. Way too zoomed in, you can only see the guy with the puck. Guess, I'll have to settle on another game.Sorry we don't have that great Montreal camera work with people's heads in the way.

They're playing bowls for goals on the Flyers thread. Anybody here going to play?No. If they are doing it on a Philadelphia thread, it doesn't sound like somehting a fan of a championship team would do.

Awesome, power-play for NJ. Jon Sim gets me 2 PIM for my fantasy squad (it's a 20 team, 23 player league, I need all the help I can get).

OHHHHHHH, Mogilny was just wide.

Ohhhhhhhhhhh, Gomez is a bit upset, we got a scuffle, and Gomez will get 2 minutes to negate the PP.

Oh.

YES~! A FOUR ON THREE! Gagne gets penalized for pulling down Paul Martin's head.

WHAT!? A DIVE?! WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!!!

It's still a four-on-four.

BS! That was the follow through on the pass of Gomez.

YES~! A FOUR ON THREE! Gagne gets penalized for pulling down Paul Martin's head.

WHAT!? A DIVE?! WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!!!

It's still a four-on-four.



I noticed some bad calls in the Detroit St. Louis game yesterday so I guess the refs didn't stick to the rules all that long.

BS! He got face-masked, and this isn't football. Martin was spinning before he got mugged.

OK, someone touched Marty. Now where's Oliwa? It's pain time.

OK, someone touched Marty. Now where's Oliwa? It's pain time.

Sim tried to slip in a goal after the play had been blown dead. No Oliwa, but Rasmussen was throwing the body before the commercial break.

Savage tried to slip in a goal after the play had been blown dead. No Oliwa, but Rasmussen was throwing the body before the commercial break.

Good enough. I want anyone who messes with Brodeur to pay.

Did Knuble just run Brodeur? I don't think so, but damn, man.

Rathje pulls down Mogilny; so the Devils get a PP! Nice!

Great play by Malakhov in his zone, and then on the long pass to Mogilny.

Flyers commentators are praising Malakhov's play.
I've only got a radio, is he playing that well?

Brodeur is overrated.

Flyers commentators are praising Malakhov's play.
I've only got a radio, is he playing that well?

Yeah. He pretty much prevented a goal on a 2-on-1 and has handled his zone very well so far.

If I'm NJ, I want to get a second goal in the second period and get a cushion on Philly.

Flyers commentators are praising Malakhov's play.
I've only got a radio, is he playing that well?

He's looked pretty solid through 20 minutes. Dan McGillis also did a good job keeping the power play moving with some quick passing near the Flyers goal line three or four times on the Devils last power play before the end of the period. There was a shot of Langenbrunner heading to the Devils bench where it looked like he was swearing at one of the Flyers players.

No. If they are doing it on a Philadelphia thread, it doesn't sound like somehting a fan of a championship team would do.



:madfire: :teach:

Brodeur is overrated.

You realize this is never getting to get old on this forum! Its the joke that keeps on giving all year long.

Flyers commentators are praising Malakhov's play.
I've only got a radio, is he playing that well?Yah, darn tootin'.

I think you can get the Devils feed with John Hennessy and Randy Valischek. The link I provided at the start of this thread will work. WFAN Feed (http://gameradio.nhl.com/cc/playa.php?url=http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nhl/9302/20_nhl-newjersey_game_audio_050909.asx)

The Devils feed on NHL.com wasn't working at the beginning of the game, but it is now.

Yah, darn tootin'.

I think you can get the Devils feed with John Hennessy and Randy Valischek. The link I provided at the start of this thread."Fords Jewelers, Fords Jewelers. Your complete, fine jewlery store."

The Devils feed on NHL.com wasn't working at the beginning of the game, but it is now.

Yep.

Scoring Summary
1st Period

New Jersey 3:07, Jamie Langenbrunner 1 (power play) (Paul Martin)

Shots on Goal:
NJ 9
PHI 10

Faceoffs:
NJ 9 Wins 13 Losses
PHI 13 Wins 9 Losses

You realize this is never getting to get old on this forum! Its the joke that keeps on giving all year long.Maybe we should get a sticky up top next to the "Devils are Boring" thread.

The Devils feed on NHL.com wasn't working at the beginning of the game, but it is now.

If you are refering to the online radio, I've had the feed right from the beginning. Even heard the national anthem.

:madfire: :teach:

You know what they say: "Winners don't do drugs."

:)

Jeff Friesen just picked up his first assist of the season against Atlanta.

Washington 7:45, Mathieu Biron 1 (Petr Sykora, Jeff Friesen)

"Fords Jewelers, Fords Jewelers. Your complete, fine jewlery store."I love that jingle. I used to unknowling hum it after listening to Devils games on the radio.

Jeff Friesen just picked up his first assist of the season against Atlanta.

Washington 7:45, Mathieu Biron 1 (Petr Sykora, Jeff Friesen)Wow. What a demotion for Friesen. Skating with Gomez and Mogilny in the preseason, and now skating with Petr Sykora. Yikes.

Al Bundy look-a-like is hurt. Maybe his dad will call for a softer puck. He's still on the bench though.

If you are refering to the online radio, I've had the feed right from the beginning. Even heard the national anthem.
Really? I couldn't get it to work until after the goal - I had to start listening to the Flyers broadcast.

Theirin (Bundy) with the penalty. I'm glad he's not hurt.

The Flyers (Therien) get called for smearing Gionta on the boards. A bit questionable for interference, but definitely a penalty for a hit from behind (roughing).

OK, FSN, where's my clock and score overlay on top? I'd like to know how much time is on the PP.

Thank you. Devils really do need to score when the can and start pushing this game out of reach for the Flyers.

Mogilny rips off a great shot.

Ask and you shall receive!!!!!

ALEX MOGILNY FROM THE SIDE!

To quote an annoying man, "Boo-yah!"

Really? I couldn't get it to work until after the goal - I had to start listening to the Flyers broadcast.



I had problems also but it started at 3:00pm here and the radio worked about 3:01 or 3:02.

Tell me thats not the next captain speaking everytime the Devils TV commercial comes on and John Madden says "there's nothing better then getting up in the morning and coming to work for the Devils". I like the "its the little things" comment also. Madden is ultra serious as always.

"The Flyers are slow learners Doc"
- Glenn "Chico" Resch

Wow, I'm happy Parise seems OK after that collision.

Devils are starting to take over (I know this because Chico said so), and I'm liking it. Keep it up! Make it three!

i think martin is gunna be great

Just as Resch says "Brodeur is getting stronger and stronger and thats bad news for the Flyers" and Philly scores to make it 2-1 NJ.

Arrrrrrgh, scramble on the net-mouth and the puck (and a Flyer-Gagne, I think) went to where Marty couldn't get to.

2-1 NJ. A third goal for NJ would be nice right about now...

Just as Resch says "Brodeur is getting stronger and stronger and thats bad news for the Flyers" and Philly scores to make it 2-1 NJ.I did just about the same thing. I jinxed Marty and the Devils with a post that I quickly deleted.

Brodeur did make two or three nice saves before Gagne tapped in the puck.

A 4 on 1 and Madden misses the net right after Forsberg missed on a golden scoring opp. White with a nice hit there. Game is picking up intensity wise.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!! That Flyers rush scared me and the 4-on-1 going back resulting in a missed shot, and now Knuble gets his stick up all over Malakhov's head. Good call.

I want the Devils to score a third, this exciting game makes me worried that the Flyers will tie it up.

Elsewhere around the league, the Pittsburgh Penguins are still searching for their first goal against the mighty Carolina Hurricanes.

Trivia Question: Who are the only 2 NJ Devils rookies to score their first 2 NHL games?

Elsewhere around the league, the Pittsburgh Penguins are still searching for their first goal against the mighty Carolina Hurricanes.

I quickly switched to that game (I love free Center Ice!), and witnessed The Cros speed down to the offensive zone, lose the puck, have another Pen (Palffy??) take a wicked shot and hit the post.

AAAAAAAAAAAH!!!! I don't like those bouncing pucks, they sometimes go in against Brodeur.

Good PK so far. Madden is a beast.

Trivia Question: Who are the only 2 NJ Devils rookies to score their first 2 NHL games?

You got me, but I hope its 3 soon compliments of Zach Parise!

Sykora and.... ????

Devils are hanging on...... FLyers are outplaying them... Good improvement... score is 2:1 tough

2:2

Goal under review declared a goal. Overhead view shown didn't reveal much of anything, but the officials had better angles to see the puck crossing the goal line.

2:21975!

WHAT!? How was that a goal! The video doesn't show ANY puck going over the line!!!

Arrrrrrrrrgh. 2-2.

OK, it's time for NJ to make it 3-2. Go Devils. Make Antero sweat.

You guys got screwed!! The puck is in front of marty popping out you can clearly see (though the devil annoucers were looking at the glove for some reason). Wow, i feel bad for you guys, someone better get fired for that.

1975!

wow... is that the best you can come up with lol

It really is related to this game...

The puck went over the line and real quickly one of the defensemen swept it out and thats where you saw it free after the whistle.

Typical flyers goal against the devils. throw the puck and the defenseman into the net.

Bull**** goal. A gift for the flyers. they didnt earn it.

Prior to tonights game, the cross check on Matvichuk would have been called.

wow... is that the best you can come up with lol

It really is related to this game...No, but it's the best the Flyers can do.


Why weren't you posting in this thread earlier in the game?

How is that a goal? All I saw was Gagne push Mativchuk into BRodeur.

The puck went over the line and real quickly one of the defensemen swept it out and thats where you saw it free after the whistle.


And you saw that? All they replays they showed you could never see the puck.

Typical flyers goal against the devils. throw the puck and the defenseman into the net.

Bull**** goal. A gift for the flyers. they didnt earn it.

Savage hit the poast.
Sim almost scored the ref stop the game...
You do know Devils ar egetting outplayed..
Nothing is over tough.

The puck went over the line and real quickly one of the defensemen swept it out and thats where you saw it free after the whistle.

No it didn't. They aired the video more than four times in slow motion and no puck was seen going over the line. Matvichuk's glove moved as did Brodeur's blocker; but no puck.

I saw no conclusive evidence that the puck crossed the plane, so I don't see how that is a goal.

League trying to help out the flyers. typical. They earn nothing!

Cheaters

You do know Devils ar egetting outplayed..

What game are you watching? Except for the last few minutes of each period, the Devils have been all over Philly.

No, but it's the best the Flyers can do.


Why weren't you posting in this thread earlier in the game?

Why are you acting like al ittle kid...?
Cause I was coming from work an dI worked OT... is that a good answer?
I never said it's over.. but sounds like Flyers are taking over.. you know it if you are watching it. Flyers ar enot that slow after all..
Both goals from NJ cam eon PP... 5 on 5 isn't very good for NJ
Flyers still got to improve PP and PK

Savage hit the poast.
Sim almost scored the ref stop the game...
You do know Devils ar egetting outplayed..
Nothing is over tough.Over the few minutes of the 2nd, but overall the Deivls have played much better.

Brodeur covered the puck and the whistle blew. Sim than speared the puck from Brodeur's glove. You know that's not a goal.

Gagne pushed Matvuchuk into Brodeur. That is a completely bad call by the officials. Watch the replay if you get a chance. The officials had their heads up their *** on that one.

Savage hit the poast.
Sim almost scored the ref stop the game...
You do know Devils ar egetting outplayed..
Nothing is over tough.

And Madden almost scored on the 4 on 1.

I would be very interested to hear the official explanation as to how that was a goal.

And Madden almost scored on the 4 on 1.
And the Flyers almost won the Cup a handful of years ago

OK, after that zoom, if that black mark was really the puck in Matvichuk's hand, I recant my earlier statement.

Though that's a pretty big if. Because I didn't see a logo or anything on that black mark; it could have just as easily been the thumb of the glove.

Prior to tonights game, the cross check on Matvichuk would have been called.
Cross check? Calling for an interference penalty on Gagne on that play is a flat out joke. These Devils announcers are sad, no objectivity what so ever. As for the goal not being conclusive, the Devils team doesn't have all the camera angle's because on the Flyers feed you could clearly see the puck in the net.

John Sim just scored early in the 3rd period.

3:2 Sim
FLyers ar ebig and slow...

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrgh, and Jon Sim gives the Flyers a 3-2 with a lazer.

Here's to hoping NJ responds quickly.

I would be very interested to hear the official explanation as to how that was a goal.
Different camera angle showed a conclusive replay...3-2 Flyers

Cross check? Calling for an interference penalty on Gagne on that play is a flat out joke.

Why is that a joke when the league officials have been calling everything since preseason to the point where defenders are afraid to clear creases with any semblance of physical play in fear of 2 minutes?

And Madden almost scored on the 4 on 1.

Yeah you will hear a lot of that Madden allmost scored and Brilyn is a sniper lol
Please...............
Devils are a decent team but no scorers.. except Mogilny when healthy...
Going to watch 3d
Go Flyers

Why is that a joke when the league officials have been calling everything since preseason to the point where defenders are afraid to clear creases with any semblance of physical play in fear of 2 minutes?
He gave him a little nudge in the back as Matvichuk was sitting on the puck...If that's interference then what isn't?

Yeah you will hear a lot of that Madden allmost scored and Brilyn is a sniper lol
Please...............
Devils are a decent team but no scorers.. except Mogilny when healthy...


Yeah, that 5-1 win on Wednesday had 5 goals scored by non-scorers. :rolleyes:

He gave him a little nudge in the back as Matvichuk was sitting on the puck...If that's interference then what isn't?

Players breathing on other players and having both hands on a stick to slow opponents down have been deemed penalties thus far. Point is the officials were calling everything by the book. Matvichuk was pushed into Brodeur by Gagne before the goal was scored.

Apparantly the call on the goal came from Toronto, the Comcast feed clearly showed it was a goal.

Aaaaaand, Handzus makes it 4-2 Flyers.

Seriously, the Devils are becoming more and more punchless and letting the Flyers dictate the play. If the Devils pick up the pace, they have an outside shot at tying this game.

But right now, it's a L. 7 shots for the Flyers and 0 for NJ this period 7 minutes in says enough.

Update: This power play is crucial for NJ, I think.

Dammit Handzus 4-2 :madfire:

It's funny how trolls show up here when their team start a comeback. No sign of them when the Devs had a 2-0 lead, but, oh when their team pulls ahead, here come the trolls. Greatwhite sounds like a bandwagon Cryers fan. :clap:

Aaaaaand, Handzus makes it 4-2 Flyers.

Seriously, the Devils are becoming more and more punchless and letting the Flyers dictate the play. If the Devils pick up the pace, they have an outside shot at tying this game.

But right now, it's a L. 7 shots for the Flyers and 0 for NJ this period 7 minutes in says enough.

Update: This power play is crucial for NJ, I think.Clearly. The Devils pulled an opening-night-Flyers. The Devils closed it down after leading 2-0.

the off ice officals gave this game to phili.

Next time earn it phili. :teach:

It's funny how trolls show up here when their team start a comeback. No sign of them when the Devs had a 2-0 lead, but, oh when their team pulls ahead, here come the trolls. Greatwhite sounds like a bandwagon Cryers fan. :clap:

Is this comment necessary? Are we really looking to compare quality of fan bases?

It's funny how trolls show up here when their team start a comeback. No sign of them when the Devs had a 2-0 lead, but, oh when their team pulls ahead, here come the trolls. Greatwhite sounds like a bandwagon Cryers fan. :clap:

Seriously, does every message board I go to seem to have at least one tool who has to try and get their un-called for shots in and act generally like jerks, ruining perfectly good threads?

Gags, it's not about fan bases, it's about civility.

Oooooooooooh, Langenbrunner had a good chance just now. But NJ really does need to convert, get back into this game, and turn the tide, so to speak.

the off ice officals gave this game to phili.

Sure they did, the Flyers have 10 more shots on goal and NJ have had 3 less penalties.

Stevenson Short Handed Via A 2 On 1

From Devil to Devils

5:3 from Stevenson

That ******* ****head. I hope breaks something like he always did New Jersey.

Turner Stevenson just put this one further out of reach for the Devils.

5 Of Last 10 Chances Have Been Goals

Annnnd Turner Stevenson gets a shorty, it's 5-2, and the potential comeback just became harder.

After a 2-0 lead, these five unanswered goals are really unsettling.

At risk at sounding like I'm giving up already, I am hoping Robinson tells his team what's for after the game-inspiring them to destroy the Rangers tomorrow.

But nothing is over. It's just going to be really hard for NJ.

Seriously, does every message board I go to seem to have at least one tool who has to try and get their un-called for shots in and act generally like jerks, ruining perfectly good threads?

The ESPN New Jersey Devils board is an absolute mess with Flyers trolls on an almost daily basis. Some good posters over there, but you have to wade through way too many personal attacks to get to the better observations.

I am not making Nitty a starting goalie but he has Devisl #....

They just showed a replay of Brashear's shot in the third. they gonna count that one too.

6-2 Phili

Annnnd Turner Stevenson gets a shorty, it's 5-2, and the potential comeback just became harder.

After a 2-0 lead, these five unanswered goals are really unsettling.

At risk at sounding like I'm giving up already, I am hoping Robinson tells his team what's for after the game-inspiring them to destroy the Rangers tomorrow.

But nothing is over. It's just going to be really hard for NJ.

I hope Larry craps all over the boys tonight after this game. Not a great effort from the Devs tonight.

oh and supposedly the league is going to review Mogilny's goal in the 2nd period, apparently the puck never crossed the line. Niitamayki really had it in his pads.

6-1 phili

also langenbrunner was in the crease, they will announce it after the game. goal is disallowed.

6-0 phili

I hope Larry craps all over the boys tonight after this game. Not a great effort from the Devs tonight.

I really hope so, this game reminds me of too many Nets and Giants games from the last 2 years or so.

I am not making Nitty a starting goalie but he has Devisl #....


what number? 2 soft goals?

Was the answer to the trivia question actually correct this time?

I really hope so, this game reminds me of too many Nets and Giants games from the last 2 years or so.

He'll need to throw a garbage can across the dressing room, just like in 2000 when they went down 3 games to 1 against Philly. Seemed to motivate the boys then.

Was the answer to the trivia question actually correct this time?

yeh right, sylvain turgeon anyone?

He'll need to throw a garbage can across the dressing room, just like in 2000 when they went down 3 games to 1 against Philly. Seemed to motivate the boys then.

for what? they got robbed!

yeh, they didnt play the third period, but what's the point when the outcome has already been decided

Give the Flyers credit, down two and they came back big time. Looks like the team thought they had the game won after the frist 2 goals. Tough 2nd goal which should not have counted, but Marty let it get to him. The refs let Philly run over him all night, the Devs should have done the same to Nitty, but never even touched him. Devils and Yankees down tonight, oh well, at least the Redsox won't repeat. Looking forward to the Rangers game tomorrow who aren't pushovers so far!

If that goal wasn't called this would have been a different game. I think that really pissed Marty off and took him off his game. He was still arguing about it in the third..

I haven't written this game off yet still 7 minutes to go.

But I was surprised with the Devils' offense in the first game.

I have always said Marty would see more shots and GAA would be increased this season because of that. I think the Devils have a very good defense but Marty isn't as strong as he was when the rules were different. I have said I have been concerned about the Devils offense scoring 5 on 5 and 5 on 4 and especially 5 on 3 that should be a given. The Flyers are a decent team.

Tomorrow nights gae against the Rangers will be tough for the Devils.

I would have pulled Marty at 2-4 but then I am not the coach.

It could be a long season for the fans of the Devils

I hope Larry craps all over the boys tonight after this game. Not a great effort from the Devs tonight.It was for more than half the game. They then acted liked the game was in the final minute when they had a 2-goal lead.

The 2nd Flyers goals was a joke, Gagne's push of Matvichuk was the deciding factor in Matvichuk falling into Brodeur. Gagne should have been given a goalie-interference minor. Instead it was Flyers goal. I guess the NHL had the crew from Game 6 of the 1998-99 SCF. They must be personal friends of Hitchcock.

Nevertheless, the Devils should have raised their game after that, and they didn't. The Flyers did raise their game.

Trivia Answer: Pierre Dagenais (2000-01 season) and Denis Pederson (1995-96.)

The question again was: who are the only 2 NJ Devils rookies to score in their first 2 NHL games?

Speaking of not playing the third period, I think the Devils have been letting the Flyers dictate the pace of the game helped them build momentum, gain confidence, and eventually scoring goals. Video review goal controversey aside, I was worried that if things kept up that way, the Devils would quickly be on the wrong end of the scoreboard (hence, my pleading for a third goal).

Now, barring a miracle, I just hope the Devils try to be competitive at the end of the game. The Flyers outplayed the Devils more than the Devils outplayed the Flyers; they played well, of course they're winning.

Tomorrow, the Rangers better be ready to handle a (hopefully) pumped up, angry, and hungry Devils squad.

It was for more than half the game. They then acted liked the game was in the final minute when they had a 2-goal lead.

The 2nd Flyers goals was a joke, Gagne's push of Matvichuk was the deciding factor in Matvichuk falling into Brodeur. Gagne should have been given a goalie-interference minor. Instead it was Flyers goal. I guess the NHL had the crew from Game 6 of the 1998-99 SCF. They must be personal friends of Hitchcock.

Nevertheless, the Devils should have raised their game after that, and they didn't. The Flyers did raise their game.

Trivia Answer: Pierre Dagenais (2000-01 season) and Denis Pederson (1995-96.)

The question again was: who are the only 2 NJ Devils rookies to score in their first 2 NHL games?

Chich said Denis Pederson retired at 30 years old because of injuries. What injuries? suckaitis?

I would have pulled Marty at 2-4 but then I am not the coach.

It could be a long season for the fans of the DevilsMarty should only be pulled when he wants to be pulled.

Are you Devils fan, or ******* troll?

Give the Flyers credit, down two and they came back big time. Looks like the team thought they had the game won after the frist 2 goals. Tough 2nd goal which should not have counted, but Marty let it get to him. The refs let Philly run over him all night, the Devs should have done the same to Nitty, but never even touched him. Devils and Yankees down tonight, oh well, at least the Redsox won't repeat. Looking forward to the Rangers game tomorrow who aren't pushovers so far!

Ranegrs are not push overs at all... but then again it's only their 3d game..

Devils have always struggled with the power play 5 on 4, they have been terrible on 5 on 3 in years past. This must be an area that must show improvement.

3:2 Sim
FLyers ar ebig and slow...

The BIg an dslow guys just won 5 - 2 :sarcasm:

:flyers

It was for more than half the game. They then acted liked the game was in the final minute when they had a 2-goal lead.

The 2nd Flyers goals was a joke, Gagne's push of Matvichuk was the deciding factor in Matvichuk falling into Brodeur. Gagne should have been given a goalie-interference minor. Instead it was Flyers goal. I guess the NHL had the crew from Game 6 of the 1998-99 SCF. They must be personal friends of Hitchcock.

Nevertheless, the Devils should have raised their game after that, and they didn't. The Flyers did raise their game.

Trivia Answer: Pierre Dagenais (2000-01 season) and Denis Pederson (1995-96.)

The question again was: who are the only 2 NJ Devils rookies to score in their first 2 NHL games?
Goalie interference for nudging a defenseman sitting on the puck? That would have been a new one. It was a fluke goal, but it's not as if it decided the game. The flyers came out and dominated the first half of the 3rd period and that's why they won the game, it's pretty much that simple.

Neither team played their best, neither team is completely healthy (the Devils will look very different with another sniper and minus a few forwards). The Flyers biggest problem is that the team is still gelling and I imagine that's the case with the Devils as well, specifically with their defenseman. Anyway, it was entertaining first meeting of the season and I look forward to the next 7.

Marty should only be pulled when he wants to be pulled.

Are you Devils fan, or ******* troll?

Hockey fan first then Devils fans. Losing isn't an option that Marty should control.

It's good for a team when the goalie is pulled it has a major positive effect.

Are you going to go with Marty regardless of score? That's foolish.

Ranegrs are not push overs at all... but then again it's only their 3d game..


Isn't that what I wrote. :dunno:

Brodeur is overrated.

Hey you said it, not me.

If that goal wasn't called this would have been a different game. I think that really pissed Marty off and took him off his game. He was still arguing about it in the third..I agree with that, but the Devils should have shaken it off.

The Fleyrs raised their play, and the Devils lowered their game. I can't even say that any one Devils played played poorly because I think the whole team crashed emotionally.

The Devils and Flyers are now both tied for 2nd.

NYR 1-0-1 3
NJD 1-1-0 2
PHI 1-1-0 2
PIT 0-1-1 1
NYI 0-1-0 0

Oh well, I'm going to watch some Canadian football on MSG. It's the Hams versus the Otts. Maybe the Eagles can win a championship up there.

Typical flyers goal against the devils. throw the puck and the defenseman into the net.

Bull**** goal. A gift for the flyers. they didnt earn it.

How about that early whistle on the disallowed goal? Puck was free and in motion across the line when the whistle was blown. I agree we got lucky on the second goal, and I would not have called it based on the angles I saw, but it evens out in the end. The goal that was disallowed was ONLY due to an early whistle on a puck that was still in play.

How about that early whistle on the disallowed goal? Puck was free and in motion across the line when the whistle was blown. I agree we got lucky on the second goal, and I would not have called it based on the angles I saw, but it evens out in the end. The goal that was disallowed was ONLY due to an early whistle on a puck that was still in play.The ref blows the whistle when he loses sight of the puck. Not when it gets covered.

It's good for a team when the goalie is pulled it has a major positive effect.

Are you going to go with Marty regardless of score? That's foolish.It does not have a positive aspect to it most of the time. The goalie feels sham. That would also have given the Philadelphia fans one of their greatest triumphs in over 30 years.

If you really are a big Devils fan than you would know that Brodeur only gets yanked from a game when he gives "the look" to the bench. Brodeur has had enough success in this league to earn that right. Wouldn't you agree?

The ref blows the whistle when he loses sight of the puck. Not when it gets covered.

yeah, but when he blew the whistle the puck was in plain sight just about to cross the goal line. For all the whining about how the refs stole the game going on on this board, what about that one?

My bad. All is not lost, Yanks just tied it and man on third and no outs!

yeah, but when he blew the whistle the puck was in plain sight just about to cross the goal line. For all the whining about how the refs stole the game going on on this board, what about that one?That happens all the time. Get over it. How many times can you say a goal was called by using video replay with inconclusive evidence?

I agree with that, but the Devils should have shaken it off.

The Fleyrs raised their play, and the Devils lowered their game. I can't even say that any one Devils played played poorly because I think the whole team crashed emotionally.


I think the team just started to crash minutes before the goal. The Flyers were pressing more and more and were gaining confidence with every hit and continued presence in the Devils' zone (becoming more apparant after that first goal). That second goal, I think, was just a result of all that-flukiness, aside.

Regardless, the result is still the same: the Devils got outplayed and lost. Tomorrow is a new day rising, and I am not going to lie-I want the Devils to not just beat the Rangers, but to outright blow them out. Like opening night. No, MORE than opening night. I'm talking potential double digits for the Devils. I want the Devils scoring goals so slick, they'll haunt Weekes and Lundqvist well after tomorrow.

The whole game was just a mess for the Devils. One key point I looked for was the 2nd line of Kozlov-Parise-Gionta, and how they couldn't establish themselves in the offensive zone at all. Parise was a real non-factor... seems like an overly physical team can negate him... we'll see.

On the Flyers end, I was impressed by the defense. Pitkanen was solid and of course so was Johnsson. Carter was invisible, and Richards wasn't too great outside that pass (although it put the game away for the Flyers). The main thing which impressed me with the Flyers was their consistent intensity throughout the game, even when they were losing. Another main factor for them was puck control... when they had the puck, they played well.

Hopefully LR will rally the troops and we'll see a more assertive team tomorrow night.

The whole game was just a mess for the Devils. One key point I looked for was the 2nd line of Kozlov-Parise-Gionta, and how they couldn't establish themselves in the offensive zone at all. Parise was a real non-factor... seems like an overly physical team can negate him... we'll see.

On the Flyers end, I was impressed by the defense. Pitkanen was solid and of course so was Johnsson. Carter was invisible, and Richards wasn't too great outside that pass (although it put the game away for the Flyers). The main thing which impressed me with the Flyers was their consistent intensity throughout the game, even when they were losing. Another main factor for them was puck control... when they had the puck, they played well.

Hopefully LR will rally the troops and we'll see a more assertive team tomorrow night.How could you have been impressed by the Flyers Defense. They weren't there for the first half of the game and it was the Devils D(mainly Marty) that fell apart thereafter

How could you have been impressed by the Flyers Defense. They weren't there for the first half of the game and it was the Devils D(mainly Marty) that fell apart thereafter

Johnsson and Pitkanen were superb tonight. They stifled the Devils, its just that simple.

How could you have been impressed by the Flyers Defense. They weren't there for the first half of the game and it was the Devils D(mainly Marty) that fell apart thereafter
The Devils should have been pressuring, considering the Flyers had to play Randy Jones and Chris Therien. Johnsson and Pitkanen were both very strong tonight. Good for Pitkanen, considering his first game of the year was garbage.

what number? 2 soft goals?

How about no. The first goal was a perfect deflection by Langenbrunner, Niittymaki had absolutely no chance. No goaltender would have been able to stop that, even Brodeur. The second goal he should have stopped; it's a save he'd likely make 9 out of 10 times, but it was Mogilny who has a cannon so it's not entirely bad. Other than that, he was very strong if not spectacular.

Aside from that, why don't you refrain from crying about injustices and how the refs "gave the Flyers the game?" They didn't. The second goal was questionable, but I'll take the word of the NHL officials over yours any day. Aside from that, the Flyers won 5-2, not 3-2, so that one questionable goal mattered little. Once the Flyers scored their first goal, this game wasn't really that close. The Flyers could have had more goals, but Brodeur made some terrific saves early in the game to keep the lead. Too bad for him the rest of his team mailed it in from there on out.

The whole game was just a mess for the Devils. One key point I looked for was the 2nd line of Kozlov-Parise-Gionta, and how they couldn't establish themselves in the offensive zone at all. Parise was a real non-factor... seems like an overly physical team can negate him... we'll see.

On the Flyers end, I was impressed by the defense. Pitkanen was solid and of course so was Johnsson. Carter was invisible, and Richards wasn't too great outside that pass (although it put the game away for the Flyers). The main thing which impressed me with the Flyers was their consistent intensity throughout the game, even when they were losing. Another main factor for them was puck control... when they had the puck, they played well.

Hopefully LR will rally the troops and we'll see a more assertive team tomorrow night.


Excellent observation. Seemed like the Devil players couldn't make a pass or take one, while, like you said the Flyers were moving the puck quite efficiently.

It does not have a positive aspect to it most of the time. The goalie feels sham. That would also have given the Philadelphia fans one of their greatest triumphs in over 30 years.

If you really are a big Devils fan than you would know that Brodeur only gets yanked from a game when he gives "the look" to the bench. Brodeur has had enough success in this league to earn that right. Wouldn't you agree?

I know that Marty doesn't get pulled until he gives the look but who says that they way it should be. I don't care what the Flyers fans think. I want to win games. I care less how the goalie feels he is being scored against. If the Devils season in 2005/2006 is based on Marty's actions we are in trouble.

I love Marty as a goalie. But he isn't GOD.

If the Devils season in 2005/2006 is based on Marty's actions we are in trouble.

I tend to believe the opposite.

Excellent observation. Seemed like the Devil players couldn't make a pass or take one, while, like you said the Flyers were moving the puck quite efficiently.

Oh, I completely agree. The Kozlov-Parise-Gionta line was perfect evidence of that. Combined, there were so many passes just going off their sticks, their skates, to the Flyers, etc. I was wondering if they were just (literally) not getting bounces or rushing the puck or just not thinking right about making the pass.

Again, tomorrow will be better, provided the Devils are still getting what's for from Larry Robinson in the locker room/bus/etc. even as I type.

David Puddy post elsewhere:

"He looked really good for the first half of the game. He made a nice save on Gange after the Fleyr made a nice move. A few seconds later, Gagne scored during the chaos in front of the crease. After the interference goal, Brodeur looked bad. He shouldn't have let in the Sim goal, and he certainly shouldn't have let in the Stevenson goal."

I agree that's why he should have been pulled.

How about that early whistle on the disallowed goal? Puck was free and in motion across the line when the whistle was blown. I agree we got lucky on the second goal, and I would not have called it based on the angles I saw, but it evens out in the end. The goal that was disallowed was ONLY due to an early whistle on a puck that was still in play.

point well taken.

I miss Patty.

I hope Hale is called up soon. At this point and time he's an improvement over Matvichuk.

Rafalski actually played a very good game I thought.

I know that Marty doesn't get pulled until he gives the look but who says that they way it should be. I don't care what the Flyers fans think. I want to win games. I care less how the goalie feels he is being scored against. If the Devils season in 2005/2006 is based on Marty's actions we are in trouble.

I love Marty as a goalie. But he isn't GOD.

Look no further then what happened when Mike Keenan coached in Boston back in 2000-2001 and he would regularly play musical chairs yanking Byron Dafoe, Andrew Raycroft, John Grahame, Kay Whitmore, and Peter Skudra in games when he just wanted to shake up his team. Goaltenders hate this as their job depends so heavily on the mental part of the game. The opposite end of the spectrum of course was a year later when Robbie Ftorek would traditionally leave his goalies in even when they were getting completely shelled so their own personal stats took big hits at the expense of trying anything to reverse a bad night for his team. Played a big reason for Grahame wanting out of Boston in my mind.

Aside from that, why don't you refrain from crying about injustices and how the refs "gave the Flyers the game?" They didn't. The second goal was questionable, but I'll take the word of the NHL officials over yours any day. Aside from that, the Flyers won 5-2, not 3-2, so that one questionable goal mattered little. Once the Flyers scored their first goal, this game wasn't really that close. The Flyers could have had more goals, but Brodeur made some terrific saves early in the game to keep the lead. Too bad for him the rest of his team mailed it in from there on out.
The goal was reviewed from the war room in Toronto, per Gagne's comments.
The announcers said this was the 1st time since 2003, that Marty let in 5 goals. That's might impressive!

The Boston Bruins scored 5 goals against NJ in the 3rd game of the first round of the playoffs. Dan McGillis scored 2 and I believe Martin Lapointe also had a night to remember (hat trick) against Brodeur. Devils bounced back and won the next two games ending the series in 5 though. Brodeur should bounce back well against the Rangers thankfully.

The Boston Bruins scored 5 goals against NJ in the 3rd game of the first round of the playoffs. Dan McGillis scored 2 and I believe Martin Lapointe also had a night to remember (hat trick) against Brodeur. Devils bounced back and won the next games ending the series in 5 though.

Well, it's a rare event in any case, Brodeur is just that good. I was so frustrated early in the game with some of the saves he was making.

Malakhov also had a very good game. He had some great defensive plays, though Gagne did take him to school on that one rush, but other than that, he was very strong. If he can play like that all year, the Devils defense will be better than a lot of people realize. I also really liked Parise. he didn't show up on the stat sheet, but he was good on both ends of the ice, which is really impressive for his age and experience. He's going to be a player.

Also, I love how Chico Resche is waiting for the Devils and Flyers to develop a rivalry. Hello? Is anyone home?

yeah, but when he blew the whistle the puck was in plain sight just about to cross the goal line. For all the whining about how the refs stole the game going on on this board, what about that one?


It's a Devils board. If you want fair, don't read a board with a presupposed bias. We'd do the same thing if we had sucked really bad and got beat bad by our biggest rival while being in serious cap trouble. Just let it go as typical fan banter. There's no blame to Devils fans for looking towards the refs for an excuse for their poor play against a superior team.

It's a Devils board. If you want fair, don't read a board with a presupposed bias. We'd do the same thing if we had sucked really bad and got beat bad by our biggest rival while being in serious cap trouble. Just let it go as typical fan banter. There's no blame to Devils fans for looking towards the refs for an excuse for their poor play against a superior team.


You're a troll and will always be one. And 30 years and counting!

You're a troll and will always be one. And 30 years and counting!


Yeah I know. I was a troll when I was nicely discussing the cap situation and you kept trying to insult me while you were flat out wrong and I wasn't even a ***** about it.
Nice to see you've matured since then.

Please, it's a rivalry. If you can't take a nicely worded jab go root for chess. I'm sure they'll be happy when you sush the crowd.

Also, I love how Chico Resche is waiting for the Devils and Flyers to develop a rivalry. Hello? Is anyone home?


lol

I didn't know that the new NHL hired goal judges with X-Ray vision. Superman must have been looking for work.

Anyways, Gomez was invisible tonight and last game (besides taking 4 penalties of course)...what the hell is wrong with him? Grant Marshall needs to retire and Chico Resch is so annoying....shut up already!!

Yeah I know. I was a troll when I was nicely discussing the cap situation and you kept trying to insult me while you were flat out wrong and I wasn't even a ***** about it.
Nice to see you've matured since then.

Please, it's a rivalry. If you can't take a nicely worded jab go root for chess. I'm sure they'll be happy when you sush the crowd.

Class act. And by the way, in my opinion, I still believe that Richards and Carter are overrated after watching them last night.

Class act. And by the way, in my opinion, I still believe that Richards and Carter are overrated after watching them last night.

Richards was a helluva lot more impressive than Parise last night.

Class act. And by the way, in my opinion, I still believe that Richards and Carter are overrated after watching them last night.
Carter is suffering from an illness, which caused him to lose 20 pounds, so he'll need time to recover from that.

Richards had two awesome assists to Sim and Handzus, so i'm not sure what game you were watching. He also did a good job of killing penalties with Gagne (wasn't out there for the first 2 PP goals) and did a good job of cycling. As for Parise, the only time I heard his name was when he almost had his head taken off away from the play, that and the Devils announcers talking about him non stop despite the fact that he was invisible.

Richards was a helluva lot more impressive than Parise last night.


Yes, but Parise didn't get the fanfare those two received. And if Carter is sick, he shouldn't be playing. Anyway, it's my opinion.

Yes, but Parise didn't get the fanfare those two received. And if Carter is sick, he shouldn't be playing. Anyway, it's my opinion.I disagree, parise got plenty of fanfare, especially around here. Carter suffered from Mono over the latter half of the summer and lost 20 pounds or so. He hasn't put that weight back on yet and he still doesn't have the energy he would normally have, which goes a long way in explaining his play. I have no doubt that all 3 of these guys will be very good players, but it's hard to deny that Richards was clearly the best of the 3 last night.

I'm loving all of this. John and Saddam, congrats on the win. We'll play again, and again, and again. When we inevitably kick your a$$es, we'll be sure to come on over and talk about how mighty our team is all the while making sweet quips at your pathetic team's expense. See ya after Thanksgiving.

I'm loving all of this. John and Saddam, congrats on the win. We'll play again, and again, and again. When we inevitably kick your *****, we'll be sure to come on over and talk about how mighty our team is all the while making sweet quips at your pathetic team's expense. See ya after Thanksgiving.

Yeah, and then if we do that we'll be "trolls".

Yeah, and then if we do that we'll be "trolls".


If it weren't true this would be a troll. But I'm not trying to get a reaction.

The amount of whinning you are all doing over the second game of the season is downright rediuclous.

Have your dmen move our forwards out of the crease and stop looking for help from the officials that gave you 2x as many pp's as we got.

You guys are acting like little babies. It's as bad, if not worse, then when 2/3rds of the Flyers fans broke out the injury excuse after last year. It was a single game in an 82 game season. You lost 5-2, you believe the turning point was a bad call. OMG! Even though I could see the puck on the replay, I'm sure the league is out to get you. I didn't hear as much whinning when LeClair's goal went through the net.

I'm done with you all on this one. Very few of you are trying to discuss anything. You're just whinning and making excuses. It was one game get over it.

I'm done with you all on this one. Very few of you are trying to discuss anything. You're just whinning and making excuses. It was one game get over it.


NOOOOOOOOOOOO

DON"T GO!

PLEEAAASEE

WE'LL BE GOOD WE PROMISE!!!!!!

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