The OFFICIAL jackets63 Andrej Nedorost Thread

If ever in the history of the Blue Jackets board a thread deserved a sticky, its gotta be this one. No subject has come up as repeatedly as Nedorost, nor any poster been so often misquoted as jackets63 in reaction to Nedorost.

I hope to start a thread where other posters can do their best to provide clear evidence to covince me that Nedorost deserves to be on the roster and not in Syracuse.

My argument: Andrej Nedorost does not deserve a spot on a healthy Blue Jacket roster. He has not earned a spot on the top two lines and is not the type of player who will benefit the team or himself on the bottom two lines.

Why: Nedorost is a very skilled player who has struggled to play well at every stop he has made. A player with his skill set should have dominated last season in Syracuse. Instead, he put up 14 goals and 33 points in 63 games. In fact, those numbers represent career numbers for any men's league he has played in anywhere. (He had a very similar points per game in the Czech Republic.) The fact that he has been an average player over the course of a full season on clubs that are inferior to even the worst NHL team, doesnt show that he deserves to have a spot to lose in the NHL.

Situations where I think he should be on the team:

-I think that if there is an injury to someone of any position on the top two lines, Nedorost should have a shot. He hasnt earned the right to beat out who is there now, but he is the best option we have in the system to fill that role.

-If the Blue Jackets shift from thier current 2 scoring lines, a checking line and an energy/toughness line, to 3 scoring lines and a checking line, then Neorost should get a shot on the 3rd scoring line.

-If he is returned to Syracuse and he at least comes close to putting up a point per game average over the first month or so, then he should be brought up to replace whomever is slumping at the moment on the Blue Jackets top two lines.


Now, I want to hear your arguments as to why Im wrong. I will respond to each one and if I find one that convinces me, I'll admit to it and change my opinion.

Let the games begin.

well stated...

my question is this, and there are ifs involved that still need to be resolved, but ...
if sandy is healthy, zherdev stays in russia and knutsen is off the team or relegated to the press box, which it sounds like might happen, how do you see the top three lines paning out?
my thought is..

sandy-cassels-vyborny
nash-marchant-letowski
nederost-pirjeta-wright

does this make sense?
i also think letowski/nederost/pirjeta could be interchangeable between the 2nd and 3rd lines

J63,

I can't dispute one thought you expressed. All I can say about the guy, in his defense, is that he looks to have the raw skills to succeed in the NHL.

The main criticisms of him that I have read is that he needs to continue learning the NA style of play (what better place to do that but at Syracuse) and bulk up a little more. Those are things that can be corrected through increased committment by him. Until then, he should probably stay with the Crunch, except when injuries on the big club dictate otherwise.

He still has time on his side; I wouldn't give up on him yet. I'm just not sure right now at this moment in time if he is a legit NHLer.

well stated...

Except for the part where you referred to yourself in the third person. :)

Except for the part where you referred to yourself in the third person. :)

very rickey henderson, but always entertaining

Now that I have the smart remarks out of my system...

I think that he should be on the roster this season because all reports say he earned the spot. I did not watch preseason, so I cannot be the judge aside from what I've soaked up from others.

If a player cannot win a spot on the big club because he fizzled out when called up previously, why bother? If the coaching staff says he's in, he's in.

I want camp to mean something for everyone, not just the guys who aren't locks for the team. I want vets challenged (not run from behind!!) and youngsters lighting some fires. We had that this season and now it is time for everyone to get what they earned.

Hehe, this thread aint being sticked under my watch.

well stated...

my question is this, and there are ifs involved that still need to be resolved, but ...
if sandy is healthy, zherdev stays in russia and knutsen is off the team or relegated to the press box, which it sounds like might happen, how do you see the top three lines paning out?
my thought is..

sandy-cassels-vyborny
nash-marchant-letowski
nederost-pirjeta-wright

does this make sense?
i also think letowski/nederost/pirjeta could be interchangeable between the 2nd and 3rd lines

My thought, given the circumstances youve listed, is to plug Nedorost in at 2nd line RW. As long as the 3rd line is a checking line, he has no business on it until he hangs around Vyborny a little longer. For a scoring line winger, he does fit the bill better than anyone in the system that would be available, including Letowski IMO who is better suited as a shutdown type player.

J63,

I can't dispute one thought you expressed. All I can say about the guy, in his defense, is that he looks to have the raw skills to succeed in the NHL.

The main criticisms of him that I have read is that he needs to continue learning the NA style of play (what better place to do that but at Syracuse) and bulk up a little more. Those are things that can be corrected through increased committment by him. Until then, he should probably stay with the Crunch, except when injuries on the big club dictate otherwise.

He still has time on his side; I wouldn't give up on him yet. I'm just not sure right now at this moment in time if he is a legit NHLer.

I agree with everything you said. Stick around, I might need a running mate in the future. :D

Except for the part where you referred to yourself in the third person. :)

jackets63 gotta do what jackets63 gotta do. :D

Now that I have the smart remarks out of my system...

I think that he should be on the roster this season because all reports say he earned the spot. I did not watch preseason, so I cannot be the judge aside from what I've soaked up from others.

If a player cannot win a spot on the big club because he fizzled out when called up previously, why bother? If the coaching staff says he's in, he's in.

I want camp to mean something for everyone, not just the guys who aren't locks for the team. I want vets challenged (not run from behind!!) and youngsters lighting some fires. We had that this season and now it is time for everyone to get what they earned.

I have two problems with this:

1. Dominating in a camp or preseason schedule is often a poor judge for how a player is going to play over the course of the season. One of my biggest points is that he had just as good a camp last year as he has had this year and yet he still didnt set the world on fire in Syracuse last year. Didnt Nash lead the team in scoring last preseason? And I doubt the Eric Staal is going to lead the league in goals this year (though he does look like Calder material.)

2. Your statment seems to imply that I took his play with the Jackets last year into consideration. That is not the case. He came up and played on the 3rd line with Nash and some other bottom 6 guy for a few games. I dont hold that against him at all. I judge how he does on a top line. In Syracuse, he was a go to guy and didnt put up the numbers. Thats what I hold against him at the moment.

I agree with your overall premise that pushing players for playing time is good. But I do think that the guys in our top 6, including Knutsen, are in a position where they have to prove that they CANT get the job done before its taken away. (One reason I didnt agree with this whole Knutsen thing.)

Hehe, this thread aint being sticked under my watch.

The power of Nedorost will keep it at the top! If not...


**cough cough bump cough cough**

I find myself agreeing with everything you've written on the subject, so far.....but who am I?
I have never seen what all the Nedorost hype was about, anyway.

I find myself agreeing with everything you've written on the subject, so far.....but who am I?
I have never seen what all the Nedorost hype was about, anyway.

Honestly, there never was much Nedorost hype. It was all blown out of proportion by Jackets "Nedorost Blows" 63 :joker:

...One of my biggest points is that he had just as good a camp last year as he has had this year and yet he still didnt set the world on fire in Syracuse last year...

...Your statment seems to imply...

Addressing these in backwards order - I can see where you would think that. I really wasn't trying to imply you felt that way.

AND

I understand where you are coming from and I have no objections to what you said. All true. I just think that he should have been given a chance in the lineup and if he couldn't keep it up, he gets sent down. Sure, preseason play is against preseason teams, but if you can't really earn a roster spot, why try guys out like that? Have rookie camp, then send most of them home, if that's the case!

Now 3mta3 must go because 3mta3 is done telling people what 3mta3 thinks on this subject. 3mta3 is outta here.

You all can call me a Nedorost Hater too, but I just don't think he's good enough to play on our top two lines... The guy puts up decent numbers in Syracuse and you're all ready to slap a C on his chest and watch him drag us into the playoffs, I agree with 63...He doesn't warrant a top 6 spot, on our roster as it stands now. He will be ineffective on third or fourth line duty where he will be asked to clear the puck, play the body, and be smart defensively. Not to say from what I've seen that he isn't, but its not his game. For the buzz he's caused in Syracuse, yes, he was a fantastic 9th rounder, but he's a Career AHLer to me. Maybe if a new team starts, we could offer him up on the wire to them, it would seem, if he is to play in the nhl, that he do it on a team where he has a shot to play on the top two lines, where he's most effective. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Every season Columbus fails to make the playoffs, is another season nedorost is held out of full time roster duty with the big club.

for irony's sake, i think we should take this nederost thread and turn it into one about nash or wright or klesla...

... The guy puts up decent numbers in Syracuse and you're all ready to slap a C on his chest and watch him drag us into the playoffs...

Actually, at the root of my argument is the fact that he hasnt put up any numbers in Syracuse.

I would like to point out that I dont neccessarily agree with everything youve said. I still hold hope that as soon as the middle of this season, he could be a contributor. Its just that he hasnt shown it yet.

"Decent" leaves a lot of room on either side of the fence in this case

Ahhh, another game (vs Trashville) and another poor performance by everyones good buddy. Its tough being so damn right all the time. (OK just this one time.)

Anyone else willing to admit he needs to get to Syracuse fast and work on his game?

On a side note, do you guys think that he will make it back if hes sent down playing like he is now? I mean hes only what 23? I just dont think hes ready yet. I hope they dont give up on him. But even more I hope he goes back down with the right attitude and works hard down there.

Actually, at the root of my argument is the fact that he hasnt put up any numbers in Syracuse.

I'm not saying trade Sandy or Nash to make room for Nederost, but goal scoring at the AHL level is not indicative of how someone will play in the NHL. Look at some of our AHL poster boys: Steve Maltais, Brett Harkins, Mike Manuluk (okay, I kinda liked Manny), Ted Drury, Radim Bicanek. They all lit up the AHL but lacked an element or three that kept them from being successful in the NHL.

Nederost, while not a great scorer, has some intangibles that make him attractive for Columbus. Also keep in mind that Nederost has not been surrounded by "finishers" the past few years and the AHL game is much more about mucking and banging. Nederost, while still rough, has NHL size, skating and 1-on-1 ability. He has been questionable in the defensive zone and has looked a little lost at time but he is a rookie. A trip to Syracuse might help him slow the game down again so he can regain some confidence for a call up later in the season.

Ship Hyphens with him back to the 'Cuse. They both were bad in the last game while McDonnell was great. Once we get healthy, keep Kent up.

Here lies the problem, what happens if McDonnel falters? Bring up Jackman or Pandolfo? I have a feeling the fourth line RW position will be a rotating door all year. Playing against Nashville (Trashville :lol: ) Isn't the same as playing against the top two lines of Detroit or Colorado.