Popovic to Atlanta

For Kip Brennan:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?ID=134546

Im the biggest fan of enforcers and even i dont understand this deal at all?

Okay Im starting to feel bad for you guys now, seriously... we should just give Rucchin back as a consolation gift or something...

Is Brian Burke drunk?

Is there a reason why Burke is picking up his 90th enforcer this off-season?

Well our finesse players certainly will be skating around with no fear whatsoever
We may be the toughest team in the league about now.

The DUcks are going to be the most shorthanded team in the league. Half of their players will be in the box the whole game.

Well our finesse players certainly will be skating around with no fear whatsoever
We may be the toughest team in the league about now.

Popovic for Brennan is a horrible trade, no matter which way you slice it. You are right though, Anaheim is definately one of the toughest teams in the league.

and the other team will be bloody pulps....lol

Popovic for Brennan is a horrible trade, no matter which way you slice it.


read my first post in thread :shakehead

I wonder if anyone can put a positive spin of this trade for us? Horrible, just horrible...

read my first post in thread :shakehead

Sorry, the last part of my post didn't register. ;)

Is this move made to counteract the lack of size in Anaheim's top 6? Wouldn't the Mighty Ducks have been better off keeping Leclerc and ditching Brennan and Fedoruk?

ok I was giving Burke the benefit of the doubt on the other deals and because of the cap and everything...but what the HELLLLLLL????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????
:madfire: :madfire:

Well I used to like Kip when he was a King and then a Thrasher......anyone want a game worn Brennan Kings jersey? How about an autographed helmet?

ok I was giving Burke the benefit of the doubt on the other deals and because of the cap and everything...but what the HELLLLLLL????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????
:madfire: :madfire:
Fast and soft on your first two lines, and slow and tough on your bottom two lines.

I really don't understand this deal at all for you guys, wasn't Popovic your 2nd best d prospect? Or was it most NHL ready?

Who trades their 2nd best d-man prospect for an enforcer? :banghead:

BURKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE :madfire:

wasn't Popovic your 2nd best d prospect? Or was it most NHL ready?

Yeah he was both of those.

You all know what's coming next: Smid for Laraque. Take it to the bank.

You all know what's coming next: Smid for Laraque. Take it to the bank.

luckily Burke is in love with Smid because he reminds him of Ohlund.

Maybe he thinks Smid is ready?

I really have no idea what the f burke is thinking?

Crazy *** trade.. what is this guy doing?

After 2 years of Czech Senior League, Smid wasn't going to take a step down to play in the AHL. Popovic and Smid are both NHL ready, one of them had to go. Smid's upside is higher, so the decision is easy.

After 2 years of Czech Senior League, Smid wasn't going to take a step down to play in the AHL. Popovic and Smid are both NHL ready, one of them had to go. Smid's upside is higher, so the decision is easy.
OK, that's understandable, but trading him for another goon?

After 2 years of Czech Senior League, Smid wasn't going to take a step down to play in the AHL. Popovic and Smid are both NHL ready, one of them had to go. Smid's upside is higher, so the decision is easy.

Even if Smid is ready, don't you think Burke could have gotten more for Popovic than another enforcer? It would be more understandable if he hadn't traded for Fedoruk, Gillies, and Moen.

We should have gotten a pick instead. Like a Second round pick. We've got seven guys that we can call goons now.

OK, that's understandable

No, its not. Whats wrong with having two good prospects instead of one?

OK, that's understandable, but trading him for another goon?

I didn't say anything on the return.

No, its not. Whats wrong with having two good prospects instead of one?

When they are both NHL ready, why would you have one rot in Portland? I don't think it would have done either player much good to play there, Popovic to return there for yet another season after playing so strong in years before or Smid to play there after playing alongside grown men (including NHL stars last season) and not looking out of place.
Eventually a decision has to be made. There is one roster spot up for grabs, someone is going to be on the outside looking in.

Burke screwed up...

to make the trade fair at least he could have asked for a pick...

Brennan and a 2006 3rd round pick

for

Popovic

would have been fair at least.

No, its not. Whats wrong with having two good prospects instead of one?

Agreed. Popovic was on a two-way contract, at least make him the leader in Portland for another year before we make a decision on him. Instead send him away for an enforcer...what a great decision Burke.

Agreed. Popovic was on a two-way contract, at least make him the leader in Portland for another year before we make a decision on him. Instead send him away for an enforcer...what a great decision Burke.

Why punish Popovic by sending him to the minors again? He's NHL ready now and in his past seasons with Cincinnati has proven that he doesn't need to be "seasoned" anymore. If Anaheim is not going to take advantage of that, I'm sure Popovic would rather be in an organization where he does have a chance to compete for a roster spot. Burke could be doing Popovic a favour?

Where is westcoaster when you need him? Where is he???

BONEHEAD move by Burke, I heard the Flyers could agree to deal Brashear for Getzlaf, Ryan, Smid and Perry if we throw in our 2006 first rounder.

Shoot me, shoot me!!! :rant:

Doing a favor for Popovic shouldn't mean bluelight special at Kmart. We're just giving these guys away for nothing. Nada, zippo!

Shoot, someone forgot to tell Anaheim that Nonis actually made all the player moves and Burke was just the loudmouthed figurehead. :eek:

Jokes. I seriously feel bad for the Ducks on this one, makes no sense to me whatsoever, and that 2 defensive prospect explanation is pretty weak. What the heck are you doing Burke?

When they are both NHL ready, why would you have one rot in Portland?

Eventually a decision has to be made. There is one roster spot up for grabs, someone is going to be on the outside looking in.

The decision didn't have to be Popovic or Smid.

Burke could easily have kept Rucchin and traded Carney or Salei. That helps the top 6 forwards a great deal and still opens a roster spot on defense. The downgrade from Salei to Popovic isn't that big IMO and is easily offset by adding a Norris trophey guy in Niedermayer.

Just seems like Burke makes ten moves when one or two would have accomplished what was needed.

One more dump of depth for nothing and I will officially be on the "Fire Burke" bandwagon. Is there any real justification for this move? It sounds like Burke is trying to make himself the star of the team and just do what the **** ever. Unless there's some great trade behind all these salary dumps that I am not seeing, this is bordering on stupidity.

GP

We definitely going to be the physical, intimidating team every night. Also imagine the presence in the locker room when you have 3 meatheads furious. Anytime I played ice hockey and our big guy took out an opposing player we would all get psychologically pumped. Confidence just spreads up and down the bench. I guarentee you that we will have fights every first period and all our guys will play better. Great move by Burke. Kip Brennan is solid in what he does.

Also this might free up enough cap space to pick up Damphousse and still be at the 37 mil level.. Forseby, have you updated Duckzone yet with our salary?

Great deal. I was worried that we weren't going to sign yet another enforcer.

One enforcer is good (for a second rounder is overpaying but the Fridge is both good in his role and quite young).
Two enforcers are somewhat strange to see these days (but give up our Captain hurts big time, anyway it was a salary dump)
Three enforcers makes no sense at all (and even worst for our second best d-man prospect when we haven't depth at the blue-line!).

Yeah, we can beat them up but what about the scoreboard?

Only positive note: Smid will be in the NHL this year, YAAAAYYYYYYY!

Unless there's some great trade behind all these salary dumps that I am not seeing, this is bordering on stupidity.

GP
Bordering? We're now thirty clicks inside the country of Stupidity. We attack the capital at sunrise.

Goaltenders:
1) Giguere - 3.99 million
2) Bryzgalov - 456k

Defensemen
1) Niedermayer - 6.75 million
2) Ozolinsh - 2.75 million
3) Carney - 2.052 million
4) Salei - 1.824 million (qualifying offer)
5) Vishnevski - 1.140 million
6) Smid - 984 200
7) Marshall - 450k

Forwards
1) Fedorov - 6.080 million
2) Sykora - 3.116 million
3) Niedermayer - 2 million
4) Selanne - 1 million
5) Lupul - 900.6k
6) McDonald - 627k
7) Pahlsson - 625k
8) Hedstrom - 512 500
9) Kunitz - 461 900
10) Moen - 450k
11) Fedoruk - 450k
12) Brennan - 450k

GRAND TOTAL: $37 069 200 million
Additional player possibilities:
Ryan Getzlaf - $912k
Corey Perry - $684k
Projected total: $38 665 200 million

Craig Adams is also rumored at 465k
Putting Getzlaf and Perry in Portland would have Anaheim right around 37.5 million

Why punish Popovic by sending him to the minors again? He's NHL ready now and in his past seasons with Cincinnati has proven that he doesn't need to be "seasoned" anymore. If Anaheim is not going to take advantage of that, I'm sure Popovic would rather be in an organization where he does have a chance to compete for a roster spot. Burke could be doing Popovic a favour?

I agree it would suck for Popovic. And it would be nice of Burke to trade him...but at least get something of quality in return for Popovic. I think Popovics value was a 2nd round pick or a grinder and a 3rd round pick. Instead we get just the grinder.

I agree it would suck for Popovic. And it would be nice of Burke to trade him...but at least get something of quality in return for Popovic. I think Popovics value was a 2nd round pick or a grinder and a 3rd round pick. Instead we get just the grinder.

Fedoruk's value was a 2nd round pick
Popovic is a 2nd round pick
Brennan was traded for Popovic

Brennan = Fedoruk?

Could we trade you Cairns for Vishnevski or Sykora? :dunno:

Also this might free up enough cap space to pick up Damphousse and still be at the 37 mil level

Rumor is we offered him a one year deal at about a million...he supposedly declined it...

Is Smid really ready? Will he contribute offensively? Are we going to suck? As the Duck turns...

Fedoruk's value was a 2nd round pick
Popovic is a 2nd round pick
Brennan was traded for Popovic

Brennan = Fedoruk?

I don't think Fedoruk's value was a 2nd round pick. Burke screwed up with that one, but I gave it a pass at the time because we needed a good enforcer.

Is Smid really ready? Will he contribute offensively? Are we going to suck? As the Duck turns...

yes, no, he will be on the third pairing so he won't particularly affect our suckiness.

Brennan-Gillies-Fedoruk (pummeled scratch Moen)

Mmmmhhhhhhh, I can smell Phil Kessel...

4th line= fridge-moen-brennan

I don't like this trade though.

6) Smid - 984 200

Kevin, where did you get this number?

Guys, wake up. We now have nine fighting majors to spare each game. No other team can possibly answer the bell *nine times.* That rules.

This is Brian Burke putting his stamp on the team. It kind of reminds me of what the Barry Melrose led Kings, bringing in memorable names such as Warren Rychel... Phil Crowe... Brent Thompson... Doug Houda... Troy Crowder... Barry Potomski... Doug Zmolek...

So much for the hope that Popovic would have a huge season for the Ducks this year...
I seriously have no idea who will be on the team and what kind of team we will have when I go to watch the Ducks.Burke is making shocking trade after shocking trade and there aren't many I see the point of.

Bordering? We're now thirty clicks inside the country of Stupidity. We attack the capital at sunrise.
So this is the just the shelling before you send in the ground troops huh?

So much for the hope that Popovic would have a huge season for the Ducks this year...
I seriously have no idea who will be on the team and what kind of team we will have when I go to watch the Ducks.Burke is making shocking trade after shocking trade and there aren't many I see the point of.
Sometimes I think Burke likes to trade for the sake of making trades....

Mmmmhhhhhhh, I can smell Phil Kessel...
Yeah, it's either us or the Caps.

Bordering? We're now thirty clicks inside the country of Stupidity. We attack the capital at sunrise.

But you've got the goons to attack with :)

6) Smid - 984 200


Isn't the max for a rookie $850,000?

Isn't the max for a rookie $850,000?
That's for deals made after the new CBA was implemented.

Kevin, where did you get this number?


OC Register
http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2005/08/25/sections/sports/pro/article_648172.php

OC Register
http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2005/08/25/sections/sports/pro/article_648172.php (http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2005/08/25/sections/sports/pro/article_648172.php)
Holy ****. Well, I'm not convinced he'll be in the NHL unless Burke is sure he's absolutely ready at that price. Third line of Marshall and DiPenta! Yeah!

In the words of the fat nerdy comic book guy int he simpsons

"Worst trade ever"

I've looked at every angle on this one and I can't defend it. Just makes no sense to me whatsoever.

I don't think Fedoruk's value was a 2nd round pick. Burke screwed up with that one, but I gave it a pass at the time because we needed a good enforcer.

I give Burke a pass on this one too, that snake ordering messed with pick value. The Ducks 2nd and 3rd rounders were 3 picks apart... which we kept and which we dealt really didn't matter.

Our 4th (that we didn't have any way) would have basically been a 5th. Not enough to tempt Philly, IMO.

I have been one of Burke's biggest supporters on this board. The signing of Scott Niedermayer was the best Free Agent signing this summer. I rationalized the Rucchin & LeClerc trades because Scott Niedermayer & Teemu are worth substantially more than Rooch & LeClerc.

Popovic for Brennan makes no sense. Fedoruk, Moen, Gillies & Brennan. That's about three enforcers too many. We paid a stiff price for Fedoruk (a Second Round pick, 59th overall, in this year's Entry Draft.) But it was clear that Garrett Burnett couldn't cut it in the NHL.

What's Burke's plan for all these enforcers? Wasn't Popovic worth a Second Round pick? Does Burke think that Fedoruk is worth more than Popovic?

I give Burke a pass on this one too, that snake ordering messed with pick value. The Ducks 2nd and 3rd rounders were 3 picks apart... which we kept and which we dealt really didn't matter.

Our 4th (that we didn't have any way) would have basically been a 5th. Not enough to tempt Philly, IMO.

I'm really curious how you can give him a pass on this one? I've tried to logically see the plus side of this deal and I can't. Maybe you can make me see the light here.

Of course if we win we could have traded for Robert Dirk and I would be ok with it.

hm, I think the trade is clearly in atlantas favor but at the same time this is the most physical team we've ever had, and quite possibly the most physical in the west.

the top 6 is speed oriented...the bottom 6 is full of fighters,agitators and hitters.

I wonder if the Samuelis' are okaying these trades. Arent they "nice" and generous people? If they are okaying these trades then it could be they are sick of seeing the ducks as softies every year, but i think this is overkill.

Popo is just 23 and another season in the AHL wouldnt have killed him. Besides he needs to learn how to be a better scorer. However, his value may not be that high and Brennan a legit NHL enforcer.

I guess the ducks paid a little more for the Fedoruk and Brennan trades, but if he wanted them then its worth it. As for the Gillies trade, its understandable because of the cap. Leclerc needed a fresh start too, and 1 million was too much.

I think Burke could have gotten more, but in the end it might work out. I just don't see Gillies, Fedoruk, and Brennan playing in the same game....

The mind boggles.

I hear Burkie wants to corner the action at the "Hockey Enforcers: Black & Blue" fight night they're holding in Prince George. That or he wants to be ready for all those Leafs games you... won't... be... playing... (after all, the Leafers have two goons under contract in Domi - at $1.25M no less - and Belak, with Perrott just a short negotiation away. In case the first two get suspended? As I said, the mind boggles...)

I do indeed feel for you guys. If both Popo and Smid are ready, great! Let them both play - platoon them if you have to, let them learn from Carney and Nieds, until your top 6 starts to gel, then move Rusty if you have to make room. It's almost as though Burke is channeling Pat Quinn - got a talented young player? Better trade him before he shows you up! (Likely you'll have at least one player down with injury in any given stretch, so 7 NHL-ready d-men is never a bad thing).

I don't get the salary issue - Popo was a 2nd-round pick - how much could he possibly have been earning? The only explanation - the ONLY explanation - is that Burke didn't think he was as good as his bill of sale... but even THEN you take a pick, not another bruiser.

the top 6 is speed oriented...the bottom 6 is full of fighters,agitators and hitters.

Just what you want in a league that is cracking down on the interference that these guys survive on. You'll notice the one description that's missing here: your bottom 6 includes fighters, agitators, hitters... just no HOCKEY PLAYERS. :shakehead

Guess Babcock got outta town when the getting was good...

I haven't looked through all the post, I'll do that later when I have trouble falling asleep, but could it be that Burke has moved on to enforcers. Think about it, in Vancouver, always trading/signing for crap goalies, loosing valuable assets in the process, now he's moved on to enforcers. :sarcasm:

I'm really curious how you can give him a pass on this one? I've tried to logically see the plus side of this deal and I can't. Maybe you can make me see the light here.

1. I can see the logic behind aquiring Fedoruk - a young stud enforcer that is cheap. I complained about Burnett endlessly and this sure was an upgrade on him.
2. paying that 2nd wasn't any different than the 3rd
3. Philly would not have traded him for a 5th

I didn't mind this deal, the Moen deal, or Leclerc. Rucchin and Popovic are entirely different as they go against anything a sane person would do.

Maybe he's just real excited about the KIng-Duck games! He's probably shadowing boxing by himself in the gargage as I write this.




:kings

This move sucks the royal bag, but why is everyone so shocked by it? It seems Burke hated every one of Cincinatti's defensemen. Malec and Foster were let go for nothing. It doesn't surprise me one bit that Popovic was traded, especially when with Smid our defense is better.

Yeah, Burke overpaid by quite a bit, but that'll happen. I'm not defending the move, but if Carney and Salei are brought back next season, it at least makes a bit of sense(it would've taken Popovic quite a while to make it). Fedoruk-Adams-Brennan will also be one of the toughest lines out there.

Could've gotten a pick back, though.


Also, I don't think the OC Register number on Smid is right. I don't know why he'd get grandfathered in like that, but either way, it's not much of a difference.

Gilles will be in the AHL. Either Moen or Brennen will be a scratch and the 13th forward most nights. I don't see us having a 4th line of Moen, Brennen and Fedoruk. Maybe they plan on playign Fedoruk on the 3rd line some nights when all 3 are dressed? I don't know.

On the trade, when I first saw it, it was like ***. I really thought Popovic was going to do great this year and I hope he does so in Atlanta. I hope Burke didn't just look at his offensive stats, label him a defensive D and then look at how many bigger/stronger defensive D players we have and trade him away. This is the first Burke move I will be pissed about, unless Popovic struggles and only ends up a 5/6 d-man.

Fedoruk on the third line? :biglaugh:

And a Fridge-Moen-Brennan line means 1 goal against us per shift.


but if Carney and Salei are brought back next season, it at least makes a bit of sense

Since our 85 years old future captain COULD return next season, it's better for us to deal (for a goon but who cares) our 23 yo NHL-ready prospect.
Great move indeed!

Sorry guys, but no one can defend this move. NO ONE!

Sorry guys, but no one can defend this move. NO ONE!

I think one could. Letting Carney go for Popovic to play next season would be a dumb move. A couple more years down the road, Brendan Mikkelsson and any other defensemen we draft might be well ahead of him as well, and I doubt we're going to lose a ton of guys. Popovic might've gone down to the AHL next season, but he wouldn't have been accepting an offer with a two-way deal after that.

Burkey didn't get good value for him, but when looking at it from another POV, it makes alot of sense.

1. I can see the logic behind aquiring Fedoruk - a young stud enforcer that is cheap. I complained about Burnett endlessly and this sure was an upgrade on him.
2. paying that 2nd wasn't any different than the 3rd
3. Philly would not have traded him for a 5th

I didn't mind this deal, the Moen deal, or Leclerc. Rucchin and Popovic are entirely different as they go against anything a sane person would do.

Sorry misread, I thought you were defending this Popovic deal. Fedoruk I can live with as well.

Carney
Salei
Vishnevski
Ozolinsh
Niedermayer
Smid
Popovic

What is wrong with that as your 7 defensemen? Smid and Popovic could have rotated - and they would have seen more ice when injuries came.

Marshall could flip between RW/D as needed.

I think one could. Letting Carney go for Popovic to play next season would be a dumb move. A couple more years down the road, Brendan Mikkelsson and any other defensemen we draft might be well ahead of him as well, and I doubt we're going to lose a ton of guys. Popovic might've gone down to the AHL next season, but he wouldn't have been accepting an offer with a two-way deal after that.

Burkey didn't get good value for him, but when looking at it from another POV, it makes alot of sense.

Why is letting Popovic handle 6th d-man duties a dumb move. Who is to say the kid doesn't do great defensivly as he has done at every level he has played? What about an injury? Now we are stuck with a choice of Marshall, Brennan or Dipenta. Idiotic, just Idiotic.

This move might eventually be up there with the Nazarov deal and then at least PG got a 2nd round pick as well.

It isn't the dealing of Popovic, it's the return. It's f'ing ridiculous.

Why is letting Popovic handle 6th d-man duties a dumb move. Who is to say the kid doesn't do great defensivly as he has done at every level he has played? What about an injury? Now we are stuck with a choice of Marshall, Brennan or Dipenta. Idiotic, just Idiotic.

This move might eventually be up there with the Nazarov deal and then at least PG got a 2nd round pick as well.

I'm talking about the 06-07 season. Letting Carney leave so Mark Popovic can play is an even more retarded move than this one. Hell, we might've gotten even less for him next offseason if he refuses to take a two-way deal. Having him as the 7th guy is a waste.

The return blows, no doubt about that, but I don't blame Burkey one bit for trading Popovic. In the long-term, Popovic would've been probably our third best defenseman, and that's only if we let all the rest of our d-men go and don't draft another one in the first round, which probably won't happen.

If this was Toronto, the media would roast Burke in the court of public opinion. Too bad we don't have enough media here in Orange County who cares about hockey as much as we do.

Isn't Burke talking about only carrying a roster of 22 instead of 23? With all of these enforcers, maybe Burke is making sure that none of his players get hurt, because if one does, the Ducks are screwed.

The return blows, no doubt about that, but I don't blame Burkey one bit for trading Popovic. In the long-term, Popovic would've been probably our third best defenseman, and that's only if we let all the rest of our d-men go and don't draft another one in the first round, which probably won't happen.

The defense has to get younger and CHEAPER. Burke has over 13 million of our cap space tied up in 4 defensemen and our 5th and 6th guys are both at a million per assuming Smid makes the roster. Dumb, dumb and more DUMB.

Honestly I hope he just really likes DiPenta and wanted to give Popovic's spot to him. At least that would make a little sense.

Burke screwed up...

to make the trade fair at least he could have asked for a pick...

Brennan and a 2006 3rd round pick

for

Popovic

would have been fair at least.

no, that isn't fair....

if the market value for Toni Lydman is a 3rd rounder, Popovic is worth a 5th rounder at best...Burke got fair market value for him IMO.

The mind boggles.

I hear Burkie wants to corner the action at the "Hockey Enforcers: Black & Blue" fight night they're holding in Prince George. That or he wants to be ready for all those Leafs games you... won't... be... playing... (after all, the Leafers have two goons under contract in Domi - at $1.25M no less - and Belak, with Perrott just a short negotiation away. In case the first two get suspended? As I said, the mind boggles...)

I do indeed feel for you guys. If both Popo and Smid are ready, great! Let them both play - platoon them if you have to, let them learn from Carney and Nieds, until your top 6 starts to gel, then move Rusty if you have to make room. It's almost as though Burke is channeling Pat Quinn - got a talented young player? Better trade him before he shows you up! (Likely you'll have at least one player down with injury in any given stretch, so 7 NHL-ready d-men is never a bad thing).

I don't get the salary issue - Popo was a 2nd-round pick - how much could he possibly have been earning? The only explanation - the ONLY explanation - is that Burke didn't think he was as good as his bill of sale... but even THEN you take a pick, not another bruiser.



Just what you want in a league that is cracking down on the interference that these guys survive on. You'll notice the one description that's missing here: your bottom 6 includes fighters, agitators, hitters... just no HOCKEY PLAYERS. :shakehead

Guess Babcock got outta town when the getting was good...
I didnt realize fighting and hitting wasn't part of hockey.

thanks for enlightening me.

We should have gotten a pick instead. Like a Second round pick. We've got seven guys that we can call goons now.
When is he planning to sign some goaltenders?

Where is westcoaster when you need him? Where is he???

BONEHEAD move by Burke, I heard the Flyers could agree to deal Brashear for Getzlaf, Ryan, Smid and Perry if we throw in our 2006 first rounder.

Shoot me, shoot me!!! :rant:
I was told by the mods that I was not permitted to criticize Burke on your boards. I would love to say I told you say but that might be construed as criticism.

I didnt realize fighting and hitting wasn't part of hockey.

thanks for enlightening me.
Of course it's part of it, but how many teams need 4 guys who's only talent is in their hands?

Shoot, someone forgot to tell Anaheim that Nonis actually made all the player moves and Burke was just the loudmouthed figurehead. :eek:

Jokes. I seriously feel bad for the Ducks on this one, makes no sense to me whatsoever, and that 2 defensive prospect explanation is pretty weak. What the heck are you doing Burke?
I tried to tell you earlier that Burkie was a legend in his own mind and a shameless self-promoter with not not much of substance to back it up. For my detailed posts I was reviled and told not to criticize the God that is Brian Burke on your board.

See:
Detailed Burke trade history:
http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=3087843&highlight=Burke#post3087843

Burke's porr record with goaltenders and drafts:
http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=3124145&highlight=Burke#post3124145

Burke's financial acumen (or lack thereof):
http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=3125590&highlight=Burke#post3125590

Some early Burke history back to the 1980's in Vancouver or Stupid is as Stupid Does:
http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?p=3149256&highlight=Burke#post3149256

The Umberger Saga:
http://www.hfboards.com/showthread....ger#post3326353

Having seen the Burke act for almost 20 years, I hate to say I told you so but.....................

I was told by the mods that I was not permitted to criticize Burke on your boards. I would love to say I told you say but that might be construed as criticism.

With all the goons we will have in the lineup the games will be really interesting. We will be on the PK practically the entire game. Our first two lines will average 10 minutes a game.

Great trade by Burke. The only thing we need now to make the team complete is to sign the Hanson Brothers. I think maybe Lupul and Getzlaf for them might work.

I'm talking about the 06-07 season. Letting Carney leave so Mark Popovic can play is an even more retarded move than this one. Hell, we might've gotten even less for him next offseason if he refuses to take a two-way deal. Having him as the 7th guy is a waste.

The return blows, no doubt about that, but I don't blame Burkey one bit for trading Popovic. In the long-term, Popovic would've been probably our third best defenseman, and that's only if we let all the rest of our d-men go and don't draft another one in the first round, which probably won't happen.


Maybe Popovich wont be a top D-man for the Ducks, but does trading him for another enforcer make any since at all? Not to me it doesnt.

Maybe Popovich wont be a top D-man for the Ducks, but does trading him for another enforcer make any since at all? Not to me it doesnt.

It does make a bit of sense, since Gilles was a minor-league throw in, so he doesn't count as an enforcer Burke acquired(he will be in Portland this year), and Moen will probably be a backup. Having Fedoruk and Brennan makes for a very good enforcer pairing. Adams has more use than them. Moen's a middleweight, anyway.


Having seen the Burke act for almost 20 years, I hate to say I told you so but.....................

I told you so? Burke might not've made some of the greatest trades in history, but this is the best Ducks team ever assembled, by far. I don't know about you, but I think the things Burke has done, and while he has overpaid in some cases, are going to make him a contender for exec of the year.


I must say, I do love how before we were criticized(mostly by Duck fans) for not having enough toughness in the lineup, and now that we have two legit enforcers we're now screwed because we'll be on the PK alot. Personally, I don't think that'll be the case, but that's just me.

I tried to tell you earlier that Burkie was a legend in his own mind and a shameless self-promoter with not not much of substance to back it up.

The way you post the same thing over and over again as if it's the most brilliant insight in the world, I guess we can only conclude, "takes one to know one."

Having seen the Burke act for almost 20 years, I hate to say I told you so but.....................

You've been obsessing over him for 20 years? You know, I'm only saying this because I care, but have you considered decaf?

I told you so? Burke might not've made some of the greatest trades in history, but this is the best Ducks team ever assembled, by far. I don't know about you, but I think the things Burke has done, and while he has overpaid in some cases, are going to make him a contender for exec of the year.


I must say, I do love how before we were criticized(mostly by Duck fans) for not having enough toughness in the lineup, and now that we have two legit enforcers we're now screwed because we'll be on the PK alot. Personally, I don't think that'll be the case, but that's just me.

Well the best Ducks team ever assembled was when we went to the Cup finals. This team will only compare to that if we get to the same place.

And there is a difference between us wanting to add toughness and us wanting to become the goon patrol. When most of us talk about adding toughness we assumed there would be some skilled involved in that toughness as well. We heave dealt away skill for thugs. I don;t think most Duck fans had that in mind when talking about toughness.

I just think you have the Mighty Duck colored glasses on here and can't see past your mighty duck love.

Well the best Ducks team ever assembled was when we went to the Cup finals. This team will only compare to that if we get to the same place.

And there is a difference between us wanting to add toughness and us wanting to become the goon patrol. When most of us talk about adding toughness we assumed there would be some skilled involved in that toughness as well. We heave dealt away skill for thugs. I don;t think most Duck fans had that in mind when talking about toughness.

I just think you have the Mighty Duck colored glasses on here and can't see past your mighty duck love.

I suppose. I guess this is the best team assembled on paper(and that's by far). Looking back on the team that went to the finals, it really wasn't good at all.

Honestly, I'm not a fan of Popovic at all. After his rookie year, he hasn't done a ton of great things in the A, anyway. I think Smid is alot better, and I also think Mikkelsson is much better, too. I also figure us to draft a good defenseman this year, and he'll probably end up being better, too. I've said countless times that we got hosed in terms of value, but that doesn't mean we didn't come out of it good. Calgary got hosed in terms of value when they traded Brett Hull for Rob Ramage, but I doubt they regret that trade.

Also, any trade looks good for either team, even in the worst cases. It just depends from what POV you look at it. I'd like to say I'm really good at seeing through that other POV. For some of the worst trades in history, I could tell you why it was good for the team that got shafted, even in the current scenario. Obviously I find it easier to look at things better in our POV when we get shafted, but, I don't have Mighty Duck colored glasses on. I just prefer looking at things in an optimistic POV.

Fedoruk/Brennan both are solid skating and hardhitting enforcers as well as great fighters both are not known for taking stupid penalties and both are NHL caliber. Gillies is Portlands enforcer, Moen is a middleweight and could emerge as a Ethan Moreau style 3rd liner, Adams is a penalty killer in the Byslma mold. Its not the end of the world to have a tougher team yes Burke is getting killed in value but the team may be better for it. Most teams carry 2 enforcers anyways

If Moen deserve a third line spot, we're in big trouble.

Call me crazy, but I think Burke feels he can do anything down in the states because the coverage just isn't as intense as it is up here. Maybe he's drunk with power. Maybe he thinks no one gives a crap about the Ducks. Either way I feel terrible sorry for you. Just as much as I feel sorry for the Panthers to lose their franchise goalie cause of Keenan.

I guarantee you if this were in Canada, he would be flamed on every television, news conference, and egged everytime he ran to his car.

I guarantee you if this were in Canada, he would be flamed on every television, news conference, and egged everytime he ran to his car.

I'm not even a ducks fan, but i feel compelled to just that on principle alone!

I really don't understand this one either... the team his already packed with forwards, and adding an enforcer may not help that much.

Popovic has been with the organization for four years. In that time, he has developed and become a useful player in Cincy. Hell, he should had made the team in 03-04 but the Babcock decided to give him another year of seasoning in Cincy. It's hard to wait for a kid this long and not feel disappointed. Burke comes in with shock and awe and dumps him for a no talent goon. The last time the Ducks traded a top defensive prospect, we lost Jordan Leopold for Andrei Nazarov. And we all know how that turned out. I just hope Popovic doesn't come back and bite us in the arse.

Popovic has been with the organization for four years. In that time, he has developed and become a useful player in Cincy. Hell, he should had made the team in 03-04 but the Babcock decided to give him another year of seasoning in Cincy. It's hard to wait for a kid this long and not feel disappointed. Burke comes in with shock and awe and dumps him for a no talent goon. The last time the Ducks traded a top defensive prospect, we lost Jordan Leopold for Andrei Nazarov. And we all know how that turned out. I just hope Popovic doesn't come back and bite us in the arse.

There's no way this doesn't bite us in the arse. Bennan is not a player who will be here for years to come. He is a flash in the pan Popovic is just starting his NHL career. Even if he plays one game in the NHL and has a career ending injury we got smoked on this deal and lost another asset and more skill.

Fedoruk/Brennan both are solid skating and hardhitting enforcers as well as great fighters both are not known for taking stupid penalties and both are NHL caliber. Gillies is Portlands enforcer, Moen is a middleweight and could emerge as a Ethan Moreau style 3rd liner, Adams is a penalty killer in the Byslma mold. Its not the end of the world to have a tougher team yes Burke is getting killed in value but the team may be better for it. Most teams carry 2 enforcers anyways

Ehhh....I can't even really comment on this it just is so far off IMO.

I've been following hockey for 16 years and the only thing Brennan and Fedoruk have been know for is being GOONS. No one I have ever met with any hockey knowledge has said "oh that Fedoruk man there is a goon who doesn't take stupid penalties." And every poster from Chicago has said Moen has no business on ice ever, yet you say possible 3rd line player.

I am sorry Dirk you are just way off on this one.

I suppose. I guess this is the best team assembled on paper(and that's by far). Looking back on the team that went to the finals, it really wasn't good at all.

Honestly, I'm not a fan of Popovic at all. After his rookie year, he hasn't done a ton of great things in the A, anyway. I think Smid is alot better, and I also think Mikkelsson is much better, too. I also figure us to draft a good defenseman this year, and he'll probably end up being better, too. I've said countless times that we got hosed in terms of value, but that doesn't mean we didn't come out of it good. Calgary got hosed in terms of value when they traded Brett Hull for Rob Ramage, but I doubt they regret that trade.

Also, any trade looks good for either team, even in the worst cases. It just depends from what POV you look at it. I'd like to say I'm really good at seeing through that other POV. For some of the worst trades in history, I could tell you why it was good for the team that got shafted, even in the current scenario. Obviously I find it easier to look at things better in our POV when we get shafted, but, I don't have Mighty Duck colored glasses on. I just prefer looking at things in an optimistic POV.

Popovic had been the mainstay defender down in the AHL for the past 4 seasons. He was the workhorse of that defense. He didn't score much but thats because they didn't want him to. His main job was to play defense. SMid has more skill yes, but that doesn't mean Smid was as ready to jump in as Popovic. Mikkelsson is 18 and won't be NHL ready for at least 3 more years and that is an optimistic projection.

You may see the other point of view but what does it matter if yuo are way off base? What is the other POV here? The good point of view? What does Brennan bring to the table the we "oh so needed" Whats the positive spin on this one? How does getting rid of Popovic for a goon overall help the Ducks? I am not trying to be an *** here I just really have no clue where you are coming from on this.

To me you and Dirk are blindly loyal to the Ducks and no matter what they do you will put a positive spin on it. Even if it is a horrid move like this one.

Ehhh....I can't even really comment on this it just is so far off IMO.

I've been following hockey for 16 years and the only thing Brennan and Fedoruk have been know for is being GOONS. No one I have ever met with any hockey knowledge has said "oh that Fedoruk man there is a goon who doesn't take stupid penalties." And every poster from Chicago has said Moen has no business on ice ever, yet you say possible 3rd line player.

I am sorry Dirk you are just way off on this one.


For being goons both can skate and can control themselves and are punishing hitters ask fans of philly and kings. This was a horrible deal value wise anyone will agree but it was a need for too long for this team how many times has this team been the butt of all jokes for being this wimpy? Think of the next couple years when we can add Getzlaf,Perry and Ryan to the top 6 with young enforcers to protect them this team is being built for next year its evident. We have a good core of young physical Dman all close to NHL ready as well. Popovic was a decent propect but imo nothing special and possibly a Canadian Pavel Trnka
The trade imo that hurt most was Leclerc

For being goons both can skate and can control themselves and are punishing hitters ask fans of philly and kings. This was a horrible deal value wise anyone will agree but it was a need for too long for this team how many times has this team been the butt of all jokes for being this wimpy? Think of the next couple years when we can add Getzlaf,Perry and Ryan to the top 6 with young enforcers to protect them this team is being built for next year its evident. We have a good core of young physical Dman all close to NHL ready as well. Popovic was a decent propect but imo nothing special and possibly a Canadian Pavel Trnka
The trade imo that hurt most was Leclerc
With Burkie there:

*you can now inflame the players over legal hits

*have one throw a sucker punch breaking someone's neck

*get a player charged and convicted of assault causing bodily harm and suspended for 17 months

*get your team fined by the NHL to the tune of $250,000 for inability to control a team

*be subject of civil law suit for conspiracy and negligent supervision

Just the guy you want running a tema of enforcers :dunno:

Popovic had been the mainstay defender down in the AHL for the past 4 seasons. He was the workhorse of that defense. He didn't score much but thats because they didn't want him to. His main job was to play defense. SMid has more skill yes, but that doesn't mean Smid was as ready to jump in as Popovic. Mikkelsson is 18 and won't be NHL ready for at least 3 more years and that is an optimistic projection.

You may see the other point of view but what does it matter if yuo are way off base? What is the other POV here? The good point of view? What does Brennan bring to the table the we "oh so needed" Whats the positive spin on this one? How does getting rid of Popovic for a goon overall help the Ducks? I am not trying to be an *** here I just really have no clue where you are coming from on this.

To me you and Dirk are blindly loyal to the Ducks and no matter what they do you will put a positive spin on it. Even if it is a horrid move like this one.

Smid's been playing with men for the last couple years, and seems very NHL-ready. I'd just rather see him in Anaheim, is all.

The POV that it's good for the Ducks is that now, no one will mess with them. They needed toughness so badly in the past that they employed the worst player in the NHL just to he could somehow protect them. Now, they've got two legitimate enforcers, so they don't have to worry at all about toughness.

It's not just being blindly loyal to the Ducks. I'm telling you, you can give me any trade made within the past couple years that was lopsided(I'm not so good with the real old ones), and I can tell you why it was good for the team that did it. I just choose to look at things from a better POV when the Ducks make bad deals because I don't like dwelling on the bad and bashing a GM who's just added a former Norris winner and a former Rocket Richard winner while having a salary cap. You'd think making those moves would redeem him for trading a freaking future depth defenseman for an enforcer. But, nope, that's not the case. And like I said, and this isn't an opinion I picked up after the trade, I think Popovic should've been dealt, anyway. I hate the return as much as you guys, but there are positives to it, and if that's the best he got for him, which it is, well, I respect him then. There's a reason he's a NHL GM and we aren't. He knows what he's doing.

I guess I defend Burke a bit more because I hate Bill Stoneman so much for what he does. He has three freaking SS prospects behind one of the better guys in the AL, Orlando Cabrera, for at least three more years, and isn't dealing one of them because he won't overpay a little. I respect Burkey for trading future parts to help the team a little, even if it is lopsided as this one, because in alot of cases, they really help the team. See the Yashin deal and when Hull got traded from the Flames. The two deals helped the Flames and Isles out a fair bit, but were shafted value-wise.

For being goons both can skate and can control themselves and are punishing hitters ask fans of philly and kings. This was a horrible deal value wise anyone will agree but it was a need for too long for this team how many times has this team been the butt of all jokes for being this wimpy? Think of the next couple years when we can add Getzlaf,Perry and Ryan to the top 6 with young enforcers to protect them this team is being built for next year its evident. We have a good core of young physical Dman all close to NHL ready as well. Popovic was a decent propect but imo nothing special and possibly a Canadian Pavel Trnka
The trade imo that hurt most was Leclerc


Good post...



:kings

How good Popovic actually is?? 3 pro hockey seasons under his belt and he gets outscored by guys like Foster, O'Brien, Rome and Malec!! Rome and O'Brien are considered stay-at-homers for crying out loud! 1 goal in what 80 games, that's pathetic for a 2-way d-man.

No, I don't like the deal either but let's stop overrating Popovic.

Wetcoaster, you have copypasted the same links here and at the main forum for like 20 times, we get your point already. You're so blissfully ignorant & biased in your anti-Burke rhetoric that it's useless to even argue with your incoherent ramblings.

Thats it, thats the last straw

I declare Jihad on Brian Burke

It seems to me, as a Thrashers' fan, that the trade breaks down like this:

1. Thrashers get a young defenseman who has been developing in the A and may be NHL ready. Perhaps a bit of a disappointment to the Duck management who had expected more of him. On the other hand, he's only 22 and entering his prime. This is a move to tap his potential which the Thrashers seem to think is high. He played on a Cincinnati team that was defensive-minded (allowing only 206goals, for a gaa=2.58). Popovic was the team leader with +16. The Thrashers liked the upside and I agree that the kid is about ready. To boot, he has a 2-way contract and offensive upside.

2. Ducks get Kip Brennan a 24 year old grinder/enforcer. He played 48 games last year totaling 267 PIMs, 13 points and -4 rating. He played somewhat better in the playoffs. He has bounced around the AHL and had a few short NHL stints but nothing of real note. His pedigree screams of career-AHL with an outside chance of NHL-level enforcer. His skating is fairly weak but he can rumble along. He has hands of stone and a poor sense of spacing and general hockey. Finally, Kip was #3 on the Thrashers' enforcer depth chart but he does have a 2-way contract.

So, who wins? At his highest, Kip is an NHL enforcer. At Popovic's highest: we have a #2 defenseman [advantage Popovic]. At their lowest probable level: Kip is in the ECHL and Popovic the AHL [advantage Popovic]. At their most likely developmental stage: Kip is in the pressbox or getting minimal NHL ice as an enforcer and Popovic a #4 defenseman [advantage Popovic].

Trade advantage: Thrashers.

I love it when people go the long way to state the obvious.

How good Popovic actually is?? 3 pro hockey seasons under his belt and he gets outscored by guys like Foster, O'Brien, Rome and Malec!! Rome and O'Brien are considered stay-at-homers for crying out loud! 1 goal in what 80 games, that's pathetic for a 2-way d-man.

No, I don't like the deal either but let's stop overrating Popovic.


Agree. Popovic stood out as a solid AHL defenseman in the dozen or so games that I've seen him, but he wasn't that great for Cincinnati. He'll probably end up being a bottom pairing defenseman on a respectable D-core in his prime. I think the Ducks recognized this and are just getting rid of him for something.

I love it when people go the long way to state the obvious.

If it's so obvious, why 5 pages of rant? :propeller

Agree. Popovic stood out as a solid AHL defenseman in the dozen or so games that I've seen him, but he wasn't that great for Cincinnati. He'll probably end up being a bottom pairing defenseman on a respectable D-core in his prime. I think the Ducks recognized this and are just getting rid of him for something.

agreed in a way. Popovich probably won't ever be more then a last pairding Dman, but this is a stupid trade, because we don't have depth at the D spot. Right now we need a last pairing Dman IMO. Marshall is not a full time player. We don't know how Smid will do in camp. If Smid would have had a great camp, and then Burke made this deal it wouldn't seem so bad. I personally would have liked to see Smid in camp before making this trade. So to me, it's not really that it's a horrible trade, but it's just horrible timing.

If it's so obvious, why 5 pages of rant? :propeller

We don't want anyone to miss the point :sarcasm:

Some one wanted a positive spin...here it is...

Popovic does not have nearly enough talent or guts to be ranked as high as he has been. He has done nothing spectacular at all in the last two years. He was a 2nd round draft pick...it's not like this kid was a top 10 pick. He was ranked so high in the Anaheim system because, to be honest, Anaheim just didn't have the "quality" in their system. Put Popovic in the Colorado, Philly or NJ system and he is not a top 10 prospect....Burke knew this.

Secondly, after the couple major signings that Burke made he had to have cap room. He needed to move a few fowards to clear money but in doing so needed to get a "cheap" foward back. Thus the Brenan for Popovic trade.

Was this a fair deal? Did both teams get "equal" payment? No. But this is the new NHL where it is sometimes more important to move a player to make cap room than it is to fair value for the player moved.

The question begs...why didn't Burke just get a draft pick for Popovic? I honestly don't think he would have gotten a pick over a 4th rounder for him. And at the end of the day Burke probably thought it was just as easy to get the cheap forward that he needed and save himself more work....besides...don't you know...Burke hates getting draft picks...he just likes trading them away.

Some one wanted a positive spin...here it is...

Popovic does not have nearly enough talent or guts to be ranked as high as he has been. He has done nothing spectacular at all in the last two years. He was a 2nd round draft pick...it's not like this kid was a top 10 pick. He was ranked so high in the Anaheim system because, to be honest, Anaheim just didn't have the "quality" in their system.

Getzlaf, Smid, Perry, Ryan, Smith... yes we are poor on quality.


Put Popovic in the Colorado, Philly or NJ system and he is not a top 10 prospect....Burke knew this.


Definitely a smart post :propeller

Colorado is among thw worst prospect depth in the entire NHL: Wojtech Wolski as their first prospect tells enough. Other notables gems in the top 10 are Johnny Boychuk, Sean Collins and Brett Hemingway :confused:

NJ has Parise and Zajac but I would take Popovic any day of the week and twice of Sunday over the likes of Tuomas Pihlman, Matt DeMarchi and Barry Tallackson :help:

Philly is the best of them thanks to a strong top 4, anyway I would take Popo well over Ben Eager or Rosario Ruggeri...

How good Popovic actually is?? 3 pro hockey seasons under his belt and he gets outscored by guys like Foster, O'Brien, Rome and Malec!! Rome and O'Brien are considered stay-at-homers for crying out loud! 1 goal in what 80 games, that's pathetic for a 2-way d-man.

No, I don't like the deal either but let's stop overrating Popovic.

Wetcoaster, you have copypasted the same links here and at the main forum for like 20 times, we get your point already. You're so blissfully ignorant & biased in your anti-Burke rhetoric that it's useless to even argue with your incoherent ramblings.
I am well-informed and my ramblings are quite coherent.

You're no more well-informed than anyone here, only quick to post lengthy quotes from conversations or events that we are ALL already aware of. I'm pretty sure you're an alien.

You're no more well-informed than anyone here, only quick to post lengthy quotes from conversations or events that we are ALL already aware of. I'm pretty sure you're an alien.
But I have been observing Burkie for almost 20 years and I have dealt with him in the past. That puts me miles in front of most posters here.

Besides my warnings seem pretty spot on now, n'est pas?

But I have been observing Burkie for almost 20 years and I have dealt with him in the past. That puts me miles in front of most posters here.

Besides my warnings seem pretty spot on now, n'est pas?

Dude, that's just creepy. I don't know why you're obsessing about him for 20 years, but that just ain't right.

Also, I don't recall anything in your warnings about Burke being a big player on the FA market. I don't recall that at all.

Dude, that's just creepy. I don't know why you're obsessing about him for 20 years, but that just ain't right.

Yeah, we should probably alert Burke. I'm afraid for his safety.

Dude, that's just creepy. I don't know why you're obsessing about him for 20 years, but that just ain't right.

Also, I don't recall anything in your warnings about Burke being a big player on the FA market. I don't recall that at all.
I first met Brian when he was a player agent who had just gone into business with Bob Goodenow prior to Bob joining the NHLPA. I was representing some European players and Burkie was looking for advice on how to break into the market. I dealt with him later when he joined the Canucks. Living on the west coast, I had a bird's eye view of his career. Hard to miss since he so shamelessly self-promoted himself in the media. I also happened to know a couple of people inside the Canuck's organization fairly well and also former owner of the canucks, Arthur Griffiths.

Poor talent evaluation, poor trades, overpaying in trades, no financial sense, wasting draft picks? That is Burkie. That is what I warned about.

I first met Brian when he was a player agent who had just gone into business with Bob Goodenow prior to Bob joining the NHLPA. I was representing some European players and Burkie was looking for advice on how to break into the market. I dealt with him later when he joined the Canucks. Living on the west coast, I had a bird's eye view of his career. Hard to miss since he so shamelessly self-promoted himself in the media. I also happened to know a couple of people inside the Canuck's organization fairly well and also former owner of the canucks, Arthur Griffiths.

Poor talent evaluation, poor trades, overpaying in trades, no financial sense, wasting draft picks? That is Burkie. That is what I warned about.
Maybe your jealous of the way his career has gone compared to your own?

He is in Anaheim now, out of Vancouver, so maybe you won't have to follow him as much. Your not an Anaheim fan, I don't see why you care so much about what he does here. I think most duck fans are pleased what what he has done so far, I know I am.

I first met Brian when he was a player agent who had just gone into business with Bob Goodenow prior to Bob joining the NHLPA. I was representing some European players and Burkie was looking for advice on how to break into the market. I dealt with him later when he joined the Canucks. Living on the west coast, I had a bird's eye view of his career. Hard to miss since he so shamelessly self-promoted himself in the media. I also happened to know a couple of people inside the Canuck's organization fairly well and also former owner of the canucks, Arthur Griffiths.

Poor talent evaluation, poor trades, overpaying in trades, no financial sense, wasting draft picks? That is Burkie. That is what I warned about.
And at what point did Burke get a restraining order against you?

Thread Closed:

Nothing constructive coming from this. Clearly the talk about the actual trade has ended.