Unthinkable 08-24-2005, 05:57 PM http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Hockey/2005/08/24/1186130-sun.html (http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Hockey/2005/08/24/1186130-sun.html)
"I think at this level (the rule) is a bit of a joke," a candid Belfour said yesterday after completing an informal hour-long workout with many of his Leafs teammates at Lakeshore Lions Arena. "Maybe some forwards should play with their opposite hand. Or, better yet, play with their sticks upside down. That's what I equate it to," he said.
We have the world's fastest game, one of skill, and, like Marty has said, they are taking one of our skills away.
"I'm sure Marty and I will find a way around it, though."
NJDevils#4 08-24-2005, 08:32 PM Thats funny seeing Belfour talk like he and Marty are the 2 elite goaltenders in NHL.
Wally112pac 08-24-2005, 09:06 PM Thats funny seeing Belfour talk like he and Marty are the 2 elite goaltenders in NHL.
The 2 best puckhandlers anyway.
Turco's right up there too.
think-blue- 08-24-2005, 09:07 PM Thats funny seeing Belfour talk like he and Marty are the 2 elite goaltenders in NHL.
He was referring to their puck handling abilities. And yes, Belfour and Brodeur are two of the top goalies in the league in that particular skill.
TaiMaiShu 08-24-2005, 10:09 PM they are actually right. its kinda stupid that they cant play the puck. it takes away from the skill that SO many goaltenders have. :biglaugh: neways i guess i can see it on the players side on how goalies cnt be touched if they have the puck. o wait... let's "Negotiate"... and have goalies learn to take HITS. that would be a cause for concern. :biglaugh:
David Puddy 08-24-2005, 11:08 PM Larry Robinson may feel differently than does Brodeur and Belfour. Robinson said to Stan Fischler, "In a way this is kind of a God's send for me. I kept telling Marty to stay in the net more anyway."
The quote is from "It's a happy return behind the Devils' bench" under the "Sights and Sounds" section on HockeyNation.tv (http://www.hockeynation.tv/index.jsp). Or you can click here (mms://msgvox2.cv.net/msgnetwork.com/08_2005/hn_fischler_robinson_81905.asf) for the direct link to the Windows Media file. Stan Fischler interviews New Jersey Devils Head Coach Larry Robinson.
Chico Resch also has a piece their discussing the how the new rules affect goaltenders. The former standout NHL goaltender said that he doesn't think the new area limitation rule will cause a problem for Brodeur.
ClaudeLemieux4HOF 08-24-2005, 11:09 PM ive been saying that to people ever since i heard that change, if they want this league to showcase people's skills, what more unique of a skill than a goalie that can play the puck, its like penalizing you for being good at a one-timer
Unthinkable 08-25-2005, 12:08 AM In the first chapter (Monday) of "The Game", by Ken Dryden, Larry Robinson aka Big Bird has his whole team laughing in the lockerroom after giving one of his Canadiens teammates a good ribbing over a botched play. He starts off discussing how rare it is to see a player on a breakaway put it into the crowd right in front of the guilty player. Then he steps back and says something to the effect of, "no real harm in seriousness" before later adding the goaltender would have stopped him anyways which draws even louder laughs then before. Awesome book. A lot of the things Dryden brings up regarding how difficult it was one season for the Montreal Canadiens to succeed after winning all the Stanley Cups in a period of a few years easily apply to today's New Jersey Devils.
John Flyers Fan 08-25-2005, 07:37 AM ive been saying that to people ever since i heard that change, if they want this league to showcase people's skills, what more unique of a skill than a goalie that can play the puck, its like penalizing you for being good at a one-timer
The difference being that the goalies are protected in a way that forwards and defenseman aren't.
IMO the NHL had two options:
1. Continue to allow goalies to handle the puck wherever they'd like, but if they're playing the puck outside of the crease they are fair game to be hit like anyone else.
2. Limit where goalies can handle the puck.
I wish that had chosen option one, but am glad that they did something that should make forechecking easier and more effective.
JDevils3 08-25-2005, 09:27 AM I think this rule is rediculous. I'm glad that guys like Marty and Belfour are speaking out about this. I'm hoping that this rule will not last. Not just because it hurts my team more than any other... but because the rule is idiotic!
Belfour was also quoted as saying, (to Gary Bettman) "I'll give you a Billion dollars to get rid of this rule." ;)
dpedan2 08-25-2005, 09:48 AM I think the goalies are sill allowed to touch the puck in front of the red line and within the trapezoidal area behind the net. Marty doesn't really roam to the corners too much anyway.
JimEIV 08-25-2005, 10:09 AM That is True, Brodeur doesn't really roam. I don't see how the rule change will effect him at all........In the past, if there was a hard dump around, high the glass Brodeur wouldn't even move from his crease, but make a soft dump and he is all over it sending the puck the other way.
He'll still be able to do exactly that.
The opposing team still must make good dumps into the corners or hard around...Just like in the past
Pwnasaurus 08-25-2005, 10:34 AM That is True, Brodeur doesn't really roam. I don't see how the rule change will effect him at all........In the past, if there was a hard dump around, high the glass Brodeur wouldn't even move from his crease, but make a soft dump and he is all over it sending the puck the other way.
He'll still be able to do exactly that.
The opposing team still must make good dumps into the corners or hard around...Just like in the past
I thought they were one in the same
Brooklyndevil 08-25-2005, 01:28 PM The difference being that the goalies are protected in a way that forwards and defenseman aren't.
IMO the NHL had two options:
1. Continue to allow goalies to handle the puck wherever they'd like, but if they're playing the puck outside of the crease they are fair game to be hit like anyone else.
2. Limit where goalies can handle the puck.
I wish that had chosen option one, but am glad that they did something that should make forechecking easier and more effective.
But of course you agree with a rule that Bobby Clarke pushed for in your usual subtle way. If Clarke murdered someone, you would blame the dead guy!
David Puddy 08-25-2005, 01:39 PM IMO the NHL had two options:
1. Continue to allow goalies to handle the puck wherever they'd like, but if they're playing the puck outside of the crease they are fair game to be hit like anyone else...
I wish that had chosen option one, but am glad that they did something that should make forechecking easier and more effective.Yeah, because you wanted to see Clarke order a hit on Brodeur.
But of course you agree with a rule that Bobby Clarke pushed for in your usual subtle way. If Clarke murdered someone, you would blame the dead guy!Hey, the guy is only faking it to draw the penalty.
Toonces 08-25-2005, 01:48 PM But of course you agree with a rule that Bobby Clarke pushed for in your usual subtle way. If Clarke murdered someone, you would blame the dead guy!
In fairness, Robert Esche is also one of the better puckhandlers.
I don't like this rule either. The equipment changes were plenty for now.
On a positive side, I would think good puck handling goalies will retain their advantage over other goalies. Other goalies will no doubt be more hesitant to go out in a limited area and having to react that much faster with the puck.
That could give an even larger importance to Marty's skills.
John Flyers Fan 08-25-2005, 02:29 PM But of course you agree with a rule that Bobby Clarke pushed for in your usual subtle way. If Clarke murdered someone, you would blame the dead guy!
No because when playing hockey for 20 years I was always a center ... and forechecking is one of the things I was best at, and to me allowing the goalie to play the puck with no fear of being touched takes away an aspect of the game that can be the most exciting to watch.
ANything that encourages teams to increase the forecheck and presure the puck is a positive, it will create more speed and hitting, which in turn will also lead to more turnovers.
John Flyers Fan 08-25-2005, 02:49 PM Yeah, because you wanted to see Clarke order a hit on Brodeur.
:nopity:
JR#9* 08-25-2005, 03:02 PM No because when playing hockey for 20 years I was always a center ... and forechecking is one of the things I was best at, and to me allowing the goalie to play the puck with no fear of being touched takes away an aspect of the game that can be the most exciting to watch.
ANything that encourages teams to increase the forecheck and presure the puck is a positive, it will create more speed and hitting, which in turn will also lead to more turnovers.
Exactly John, if Goalies want to roam from the crease to play pucks they should be fair game just like every other player.The only area a goalie should be protected is in the crease.
Allowing him to go out with no fear of being hit is ridiculous and slows up the game.Goalies are out there to stop the puck and skaters are out there to handle it so if a goalie wants to go 20 ft outside the crease he should be allowed to be checked as any other player would.
Unthinkable 08-25-2005, 03:17 PM You simply can't revamp the NHL making goaltenders fair-game when they leave the crease. No GM in their right mind would want to contemplate seeing their marquee goaltender lost for a season after a guy like Todd Bertuzzi bulldozers through him like he did with the St. Louis Blues defenseman Barrett Jackman not long ago. That would be purely suicidal from the standpoint of winning fans back to the game if some of the best netminders still playing are all on the IR for long stretches. Teams that build smartly from the net out would all be opposed to such a rule change.
JR#9* 08-25-2005, 03:45 PM You simply can't revamp the NHL making goaltenders fair-game when they leave the crease. No GM in their right mind would want to contemplate seeing their marquee goaltender lost for a season after a guy like Todd Bertuzzi bulldozers through him like he did with the St. Louis Blues defenseman Barrett Jackman not long ago. That would be purely suicidal from the standpoint of winning fans back to the game if some of the best netminders still playing are all on the IR for long stretches. Teams that build smartly from the net out would all be opposed to such a rule change.
Of course it would be madness but that is the point!!!!
Stay in the crease and stop the puck in your protected area and let the skaters handle the puck when it's 20 ft outside the crease.
allowing goaltenders to roam the ice freely with immunity from physical contact is ridiculous and it does nothing but slow down the game and decrease the effects of an effective forcheck.
Let the defenseman worry about retrieving the puck and outletting it the other way after a dump in.
It really is as simple as this...Skaters handle the pcuk when it not in the crease and goalies stop the puck when it is in the crease.
John Flyers Fan 08-25-2005, 04:50 PM You simply can't revamp the NHL making goaltenders fair-game when they leave the crease. No GM in their right mind would want to contemplate seeing their marquee goaltender lost for a season after a guy like Todd Bertuzzi bulldozers through him like he did with the St. Louis Blues defenseman Barrett Jackman not long ago. That would be purely suicidal from the standpoint of winning fans back to the game if some of the best netminders still playing are all on the IR for long stretches. Teams that build smartly from the net out would all be opposed to such a rule change.
Goalies aren't very dumb and they'd learn real quickly whether or not they'd have time to play the puck and get back to the crease before getting smoked.
DownFromNJ 08-25-2005, 05:24 PM It'll be interesting to see if Brodeur racks up assists firing passes up to forwards without the red line. He's pretty accurate.
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