Why we paid Mogilny what we did

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The Washington Capitals were in the running, but eventually, the battle came down to two teams: The Devils and Florida Panthers. Florida GM Mike Keenan wanted Mogilny badly. With Joe Nieuwendyk and Gary Roberts, two of Mogilny's friends already signed, Mogilny would have been an excellent addition. As a result, he kept matching the Devils' offers. Finally, when the Devils went to $7 million over two years, the Panthers pulled out.

There you have it, ****ing Mike Keenan kept matching our offers so we had to go as high as we did, it's not like Lou said, here's what we're offering, he had to be driven up to that price.

Also:



He wanted to get his hip back in order so that he could pursue his passion for golf. His desire to play hockey was gone. He put on weight and let himself get out of condition. But in the post-operation rehabilitation, he started to feel good again. His spirits lifted and he went back onto the ice, first in Europe, then in Los Angeles with some other National Hockey League players, including Mario Lemieux. The word got out that Mogilny clearly was capable of playing at the NHL level and as a result, some teams started to make overtures.

If he has such a strong passion for golf he should have went to Florida.

Mike Keenan even went to LA to visit with Mogilny. But I guess Lou told Mogilny/agent to check back before he thought about signing.

First I am glad Lou didn't walk away and saw the light that the Devils needed more offense than present players provide even with Elias healthy. So Almo was an excellant choice for all the reason posted on this board. He's worth the money in my opinion. We know he can work very well with Gomez, The Devils need two offensive line and one without Friesen (Friesen too risky for me) So I strongly feel that the Devils can now put together two good offensive lines and stick with them unless they don't work over period of time. They need to let the chemistry start to work without change.

Question:

If Mogilny plays at decent level is he worth the price? I say yes.

If Mogilny gets hurt for any extended period of time or is hip is bad, his salary comes off the books.

Same can be said for Malakhov.

Where is the risk?


Edit: Also I like the idea of Mogilny mentoring Suglobov.....I don't know if that will happen, I'm sure it wasn't even a reason to after Mogilny....But I like the idea.

Question:

If Mogilny plays at decent level is he worth the price? I say yes.

If Mogilny gets hurt for any extended period of time or is hip is bad, his salary comes off the books.

Same can be said for Malakhov.

Where is the risk?

You mean under the Cap because he would go on IR??

Question:

If Mogilny plays at decent level is he worth the price? I say yes.

If Mogilny gets hurt for any extended period of time or is hip is bad, his salary comes off the books.

Same can be said for Malakhov.

Where is the risk?


Edit: Also I like the idea of Mogilny mentoring Suglobov.....I don't know if that will happen, I'm sure it wasn't even a reason to after Mogilny....But I like the idea.


That is what I thought too, Alex to Alex it'd be nice.

You mean under the Cap because he would go on IR??


Yes. Think about it; You have Mogilny should anything go wrong, there is Suglobov to take his place.

You have Malakhov should anything go wrong you have Hale to take his place.


In my opinion this is an excellent situation both financially and depth-wise

Yes. Think about it; You have Mogilny should anything go wrong, there is Suglobov to take his place.

You have Malakhov should anything go wrong you have Hale to take his place.


In my opinion this is an excellent situation both financially and depth-wise

Agree Jim, it's a no brainer

i also feel you can never go wrong acquiring too many assets, yes you risk going over the cap, but with accomplished vets like almo and vladdy, even if they sputter here, you know somewhere someones gonna take the risk of taking them to see if they can turn it around somewhere else

i also feel you can never go wrong acquiring too many assets, yes you risk going over the cap, but with accomplished vets like almo and vladdy, even if they sputter here, you know somewhere someones gonna take the risk of taking them to see if they can turn it around somewhere else Not only that, but it also prevents division rival teams from making great depth additions at the same time. Outside of no-trade clauses, Lou primarily controls where these same players are traded to when its time to replace them for whatever reason.

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There you have it, ****ing Mike Keenan kept matching our offers so we had to go as high as we did, it's not like Lou said, here's what we're offering, he had to be driven up to that price.

My guess is a bidding war broke out for Malakhov's services just the same forcing Lou to spend a bit more there then he'd hoped.

Mike Keenan even went to LA to visit with Mogilny. But I guess Lou told Mogilny/agent to check back before he thought about signing.
I'm really puzzled by the Josef Stumpel deal he just made as GM. Stumpel is the exact kind of player Mike Keenan doesn't usually have any interest in/the time of day for.

We paid him that money cause he is still worth it!!
Bottom line, the devils & many other teams needed him, as far as I'm concerned he finally came home..and I'm happy! No reason he dose not get around 65 points minimum this season.

We paid him that money cause he is still worth it!!
Bottom line, the devils & many other teams needed him, as far as I'm concerned he finally came home..and I'm happy! No reason he dose not get around 65 points minimum this season.


My way of thinking is if he contributes to 5 wins on the Shootout 3.5 was highway Robery !

Yes. Think about it; You have Mogilny should anything go wrong, there is Suglobov to take his place.

You have Malakhov should anything go wrong you have Hale to take his place.


In my opinion this is an excellent situation both financially and depth-wise
Do you honestly think Suglobov is NHL ready, especially considering the shoes he would be filling.

ALl this reuniting will give us an edge on competition against our stocked division rivals.

Does this make Lou and Keenan less likely trading partners?

Do you honestly think Suglobov is NHL ready, especially considering the shoes he would be filling.

The organization obviously thinks he is getting close, they brought him up last season.

But I am not saying Suglobov will fill Mogilny's shoes, I am saying having a very good prospect waiting in the wings who can be a sniper like Mogilny is a good situation to be in.

Yes. Think about it; You have Mogilny should anything go wrong, there is Suglobov to take his place.

You have Malakhov should anything go wrong you have Hale to take his place.


In my opinion this is an excellent situation both financially and depth-wise

I think the Suglobov mentor factor is a very underated aspect of this whole deal. I personally love having Mogilny back. The chemistry that Gomez had with him when he was here last is something to really look forward to I think. Even though Almo is 36, I don't think he's done just yet....

great signing... i loved watching almo in toronto, good luck with him!!! hopefully he's healthy...

great signing... i loved watching almo in toronto, good luck with him!!! hopefully he's healthy...
I'll tell you dude, I am SHOCKED how popular Mogilny was in Toronto, I mean I knew Leafs fans were happy with him, but I have yet to see ONE negative comment from any Leafs fan about Mogilny since he signed with us. In fact all the posts are just glowing about him and how upset Leaf fans are about losing him.

I am honestly amazed at it all.

I'll tell you dude, I am SHOCKED how popular Mogilny was in Toronto, I mean I knew Leafs fans were happy with him, but I have yet to see ONE negative comment from any Leafs fan about Mogilny since he signed with us. In fact all the posts are just glowing about him and how upset Leaf fans are about losing him.

I am honestly amazed at it all.

I don't care what team ya luv, or what you call him, Alex, Mogo, Almo, Mogilny, he just plain kicks @ss! Never complains, just dose what he's suppose to do score goals like the sniper he is, he will be real fun to watch in the overtime shootouts! Silky smooth he is...I cant control my joy!!

Good luck to Mogilny when he's healthy he's a VERY dangerous player.

[QUOTE=JimEIV]Question:

If Mogilny plays at decent level is he worth the price? I say yes.

I think lou paid too much $$$ for a 37 yr old guy with aching hips. Almo was here 5 yrs ago. thats light years in hockey speak.

If Mogilny gets hurt for any extended period of time or is hip is bad, his salary comes off the books.

Same can be said for Malakhov.

Where is the risk?

I guess theres not much risk considering we've got hale/brown to fill in.

I gotta tell you, I really don't understand all this pessimism around here lately.

Lets just go with the Facts

Last season the Devils obliterated the league in Goals Against with 164.

Last season the Devils had 43 wins (only 3 teams had more wins) and 100 points

Martin Brodeur had 11 shutouts


A. This was without the Services of Scott Stevens for much of the Season

B. This was with Having two rookie Dmen in lineup for most of the season.

C. This was with Ray Giroux, Sean Brown and Tommy Albelin taking regular shifts

D. This was without Jamie Langenbrunner for much of the season

E. This was with a lost Jeff Friesen for the entire season.

Back to Mogilny.......Mogilny is a pure sniper......Guys like Hull, Mogilny, McInnis don't loose there shot when they get old. Forget 5 years ago, Mogilny scored 30 points in 37 games in 2003/04 season. He obviously still has his offensive touch.

This guy has been averaging about a point a game over the last 5 years (251 games played and 249 points scored), that is just incredible. Even at half that rate he is the best offensive player on the team (without Elias) . If at any point of next season we have both Mogilny and Elias in the Lineup, New Jersey could be a devistating team offensively.

Money is completely irrelevant, especially when there are so many spare parts on this team that can be moved. The Devils took a huge step in bolstering their offence and 3.5Million with little risk is not to much pay for it.

I Agree Jim, it's the sports fans way to ***** when unsure. Devils have what they need without Stevens and Friesen neither played last season well Scott played 38 games but not well. Almo is an asset a big asset and no absolutely no risk.

People seem to forget that 5 years ago when we acquired Almo from Vancouver people were saying he was washed up and had nothing left in the tank, said we were hosed. However, we got the last laugh, lets take it again.

Can Mogilny skate? Yes.
Can Mogilny shoot? Definitely yes.

So what's the problem?

There is a decent quote in "Yzerman: The Making Of A Champion:" by Douglas Hunter that reads something like this:

"Perhaps the ultimate compliment in all of sports is trading for a player that has caused great damage against you previously".


In the book it was used referencing the move Detroit used to acquire Bob Errey along with what it meant to Steve Yzerman in terms of helping him to fully realize what it means to be a great captain. In our case, it applies a bit more to a player like Malakhov then it does to Alexander Mogilny in recent playoff matchups, but still fits well nonetheless.

Mogilny is suited for a northeastern team. Though he's much better now, he still really does not like flying. That was a problem when he was here in Vancouver as it put him off his game sometimes.

With the Mogilny signing, this puts NJ in some really tight cap problems. Does this mean NJ would consider trading Colin White to Vancouver?

With the Mogilny signing, this puts NJ in some really tight cap problems. Does this mean NJ would consider trading Colin White to Vancouver?

Will you guys please take your eyes off our defensemen, get your own. :p:

Nah, I think we won't trade him, IMO his the best he has ever played was his rookie year in 2000 and two of the reasons for that are back in Robinson and Malakov who was his partner on defense that year and for those two reasons alone I'm curious to see how he performs.

Seriously with the cap trouble New Jersey is in I'd like JFJ to maybe contact Lou about Jeff Friesen or David Hale.

We paid him that money cause he is still worth it!!
Bottom line, the devils & many other teams needed him, as far as I'm concerned he finally came home..and I'm happy! No reason he dose not get around 65 points minimum this season.
I agree....if he PLAYS a full season. at 36 your body does not bounce back after a hard night (unless your messier) like it used to....especially this guy, he's had some of the worst injuries in hockey and continues to be prone....high risk high reward. I like Lou and i think he did a good thing...but still a high risk.

Seriously with the cap trouble New Jersey is in I'd like JFJ to maybe contact Lou about Jeff Friesen or David Hale.
I can see Friesen, but not Hale. Hale's contract is only $500,000 and plus he's still one of our top prospects

Agreed. David Hale is a keeper.

Let's put it this way:
Mogilny is Russian, V.Kozlov is Russian, Brylin is Russian... So we are building a great line here, where all these guys have the same hockey school and understand each other with a half look. Especially, Brylin is a great defensive center; Kozlov performed a great last season in Russia; Mogilny got enough time to get healthy. And, also, don't forget about the new rules that referees will be very strict about any kind of dirty playing, so these skillful guys will be able to show the best hockey ever...

What you guys think?

Let's put it this way:
Mogilny is Russian, V.Kozlov is Russian, Brylin is Russian... So we are building a great line here, where all these guys have the same hockey school and understand each other with a half look. Especially, Brylin is a great defensive center; Kozlov performed a great last season in Russia; Mogilny got enough time to get healthy. And, also, don't forget about the new rules that referees will be very strict about any kind of dirty playing, so these skillful guys will be able to show the best hockey ever...

What you guys think?

It's one reason I certainly don't want to give up Kozlov.

I'm back. Most likely no1 remembers me from the old Mogilny-NJ days. Just wanted to post that i'm back. Took awhile as an die-hard Panthers fan my dream has always been for Mogilny (my fav player since 89) play for my fav team. Didnt happen but I'm really happy I dont have to root for Leafs anymore and I got alot good memories from the old Mogilny days in NJ. Namely 2000 ;) :clap:

gotta tell you, I really don't understand all this pessimism around here lately.

Lets just go with the Facts

Last season the Devils obliterated the league in Goals Against with 164.

Last season the Devils had 43 wins (only 3 teams had more wins) and 100 points

Martin Brodeur had 11 shutouts


A. This was without the Services of Scott Stevens for much of the Season

B. This was with Having two rookie Dmen in lineup for most of the season.

C. This was with Ray Giroux, Sean Brown and Tommy Albelin taking regular shifts

D. This was without Jamie Langenbrunner for much of the season

E. This was with a lost Jeff Friesen for the entire season.

Back to Mogilny.......Mogilny is a pure sniper......Guys like Hull, Mogilny, McInnis don't loose there shot when they get old. Forget 5 years ago, Mogilny scored 30 points in 37 games in 2003/04 season. He obviously still has his offensive touch.

This guy has been averaging about a point a game over the last 5 years (251 games played and 249 points scored), that is just incredible. Even at half that rate he is the best offensive player on the team (without Elias) . If at any point of next season we have both Mogilny and Elias in the Lineup, New Jersey could be a devistating team offensively.

Money is completely irrelevant, especially when there are so many spare parts on this team that can be moved. The Devils took a huge step in bolstering their offence and 3.5Million with little risk is not to much pay for it.


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