Jonathan Hedström is signed

Art Vandelay
08-14-2005, 11:33 AM
Hedström klar för NHL i natt
Jonathan Hedström krävde fyra miljoner kronor om året.
Anaheim Mighty Ducks gav honom 3,5.
- Jonte är nöjd. Med svenska mått mätt är det ett mycket bra kontrakt han skriver på, säger agenten Johan Strömberg.
Translation:

Hedström to play in the NHL.
Jonathan Hedström wanted 4 million skr, Anaheim Mighty Ducks gave him 3,5. (roughly 475'000 US$)
- Jonte is satisfied. Compared to swedish standards it is a very good contract he has signed, says his agent Johan Strömberg.

His agent also says he turned down a 2-year contract.

(swedish source)
http://expressen.se/index.jsp?a=420290

Jerky Leclerc
08-14-2005, 11:39 AM
Great news. I like the kid and how he plays. He'll be a good player for us.

Jerky Leclerc
08-14-2005, 01:47 PM
I just did the exchanged rate:

3,500,000 SEK = 467,241.69 USD

Streaker-man
08-14-2005, 01:59 PM
Yes! Finally my favourite Swede signed!

*Waiting for ANA vs VAN* :D

Ville Isopää
08-14-2005, 02:00 PM
I expect too see him play a big role on the 3rd line with Påhlsson and Nieds...

Fan.At
08-14-2005, 02:13 PM
Yes! Finally my favourite Swede signed!

*Waiting for ANA vs VAN* :D
i guess jarkko ruutu is also waiting for that game :D

Jerky Leclerc
08-14-2005, 02:17 PM
Ahh good ole Euro rivalry.

Finland's Jarkko Ruutu apparently has a score to settle with Sweden's Jonathan Hedstrom, following the Swedes' 5-1 rout over the Finns here. Speaking to the Finnish press, Ruutu said: "If I ever play him again, I guarantee you I will beat his [butt]... . I challenged him a couple of times when he was on the bench. I invited him to fight me, but he is a chicken... . I could see that. Write this: Anytime, anywhere. This is a challenge. If he wants, we are in the same hotel. I'm in D208. Tell him to knock first. I will be there. But knock first."

Replied Hedstrom: "He's a clown."

Kevin Forbes
08-14-2005, 02:31 PM
I expect too see him play a big role on the 3rd line with Påhlsson and Nieds...

probably more likely to be Pahlsson and Kunitz or McDonald, we need Nieds' size in our top six

Chistov23
08-14-2005, 02:32 PM
I wonder if Al Coates had something to do with this. Anyways, a good signing as it is at the league minimum. We need as much competition for our bottom 2 lines as we can get right now. .... and Ruttu is a clown!

Streaker-man
08-14-2005, 02:38 PM
Ahh good ole Euro rivalry.

Yeah and this is NHL. You are allowed to drop the gloves here. Game on!

And to Chistov, I guess that pests are supposed to be clowns ;)

Fighter
08-14-2005, 03:22 PM
And Anaheim has something to settle with Ruutu, remember the Holmqvist-Ruutu fight two years ago?

Anyway, I kinda like Jarkoo, even if he's a bit dirty.

Spankatola Jamnuts
08-14-2005, 03:36 PM
Scrub #1. One more and a defenseman and we can be done.

Pepper
08-14-2005, 05:23 PM
Pahlsson and Hedström on Ducks 3rd line??? For the love of god people, do you seriously want us to compete for Kessel next year??

Hands up, who checked Hedström's stats before putting him to our 3rd line?? No-one? I can believe that.

He has NEVER scored more than 14 goals in any league during his career, NEVER. He averaged 12 goals per season in SEL.

Guess how much Pahlsson managed? 16 & 17 during his best seasons in the SEL.

How many goals you think that 3rd line would score in a season? Let's see, realistically we can expect max 10g from Pahlsson and about the same for Hedström. Wow, a possible 30g 3rd line. Kessel, here we come!

Hedström should be used in the same role as Ruutu, 4th line ****stirrer but that's it. If we put him to 3rd line, we seriously need someone with more offense than Pahlsson there. Those 2 on the same 3rd line means we're screwed.

Aalto, Vihko, Pärssinen, Jönsson, Davidsson, Rönnqvist, Tenkrat...Who else wants to keep experimenting with overage euros? Count me out.

Jerky Leclerc
08-14-2005, 05:44 PM
Hedstrom has improved alot since returning to EuropeI, from things I've read. He plays a pest which is something the Ducks are missing right now. Whether his game can translate to the NHL is still to be seen. I'm alittle more optimistic. The Hedstrom we saw the last time around had the talent but played scared. His international experience this time around will help give him some confidence. Don't worry too much about stats. They don't score too much in Europe. I remember Hedstrom did pretty well statistically when he played the last time in Cincy. I think he'll hold his own.

Kevin Forbes
08-14-2005, 05:48 PM
Pahlsson and Hedström on Ducks 3rd line??? For the love of god people, do you seriously want us to compete for Kessel next year??

Look at Anaheim's roster, look at the bind we are in due to the salary cap, assume that we are not making further moves. Who else would you have on the 3rd line instead?

Spankatola Jamnuts
08-14-2005, 05:50 PM
Count me out.

Okay, you're out.

Pepper
08-14-2005, 05:52 PM
Jerky, you're an optimist (nothing wrong with that mind you!) but I feel there are many reasons to be more pessimistic about Hedström.

Hedström scored about as much last year as the year before he left to North America. He had more assists but most likely that was from the lockout players in his team (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong here).

I don't see anything that would give us a reason to believe he can bring more offense than guys like Kunitz etc.

A pest who doesn't fight too well. He could use players like Moen & Fedoruk on his line...

Kevin Forbes
08-14-2005, 05:58 PM
From what I can tell, this is what our forward lines could look like.

Sykora - Fedorov - Lupul
Leclerc - Rucchin - Niedermayer
Kunitz - McDonald - Hedstrom
Fedoruk - Pahlsson - Moen

13th forward : Marshall

Kunitz still makes it on the third line, as does McDonald, both could give 15 goals. You can't expect much more then that from third liners. Check the stats on any team in the league and count down after the top six scoring forwards.
Neither Moen, Fedoruk or Hedstrom have experience as a center and while McDonald might be better on the wing, his faceoff skills are also valued.

Spankatola Jamnuts
08-14-2005, 05:58 PM
Someone has to play on the 3rd line. None of them are awesome.

Pepper
08-14-2005, 06:02 PM
Look at Anaheim's roster, look at the bind we are in due to the salary cap, assume that we are not making further moves. Who else would you have on the 3rd line instead?

I'd trade Sykora packaged with Chistov for picks, sign 2 cheapish UFA (Selanne, Bondra etc) wingers, give Getzlaf every chance to take that 3rd line spot.

I understand what you're trying to say but seriously, how much offense can you expect from Hedström & Pahlsson on the same line?? Kunitz is a much better choice for the 3rd line than Hedström.

In short, I'd trade Sykora to give us more options so that we're not forced to compromise this badly.

Bobby Ryan Getzlaf
08-14-2005, 06:07 PM
Good signing, but that definetely caught me off guard. I remember Babcock saying he wanted to get Hedstrom inked, and thought that now Babs is gone and Burke is in, he wouldn't be back.

This definetely makes the Holmqvist trade look alot better, though.

Kevin Forbes
08-14-2005, 06:24 PM
This definetely makes the Holmqvist trade look alot better, though.

Especially because it's questionable if Holmqvist will be in the NHL next season.
See this: http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=156437
and this: http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=162604

Nothing for sure one way or another, but it's one headache we've avoided.

Randall Graves*
08-14-2005, 07:21 PM
probably more likely to be Pahlsson and Kunitz or McDonald, we need Nieds' size in our top six
the ducks need to dump mcdonald and kunitz.

Hedstrom is a good player, best of all he cost about half of what the ducks will pay chistov and he'll probably be better. the PK just improved.

Fighter
08-14-2005, 07:31 PM
Hedstrom an upgrade over Chistov? He's cheaper, but an upgrade I don't think so.
Oh well, we'll see.

Jerky Leclerc
08-14-2005, 07:35 PM
Hedstrom an upgrade over Chistov? He's cheaper, but an upgrade I don't think so.
Oh well, we'll see.

I think he meant Hedstrom will be an upgrade on the third line as opposed to playing Chistov on a checking line.

Randall Graves*
08-14-2005, 07:39 PM
From what I can tell, this is what our forward lines could look like.

Sykora - Fedorov - Lupul
Leclerc - Rucchin - Niedermayer
Kunitz - McDonald - Hedstrom
Fedoruk - Pahlsson - Moen

13th forward : Marshall

Kunitz still makes it on the third line, as does McDonald, both could give 15 goals. You can't expect much more then that from third liners. Check the stats on any team in the league and count down after the top six scoring forwards.
Neither Moen, Fedoruk or Hedstrom have experience as a center and while McDonald might be better on the wing, his faceoff skills are also valued.
wheres getzlaf?

Chistov23
08-14-2005, 07:40 PM
I'd trade Sykora packaged with Chistov for picks, sign 2 cheapish UFA (Selanne, Bondra etc) wingers
This isn't fantasy hockey. You are throwing away our 2nd best offensive player and assume we could sign Selanne and Bondra to a combined 3million.
give Getzlaf every chance to take that 3rd line spot
What makes you think Getz could score more than 10-15 goals? Neither Chistov or Lupul could in there rookie season.
Kunitz is a much better choice for the 3rd line than Hedström.
Who said Hedstrom was taking out Kunitz? We need to sign players to the minimum and Hedstrom is one of them. We need as much competition for the 3rd and 4th lines as we can get. Instead of just handing Kunitz a spot on the 3rd line now he has to work for it, is that so bad?

We are not a contender, our team won't be perfect. Our offense sucks, this signing is to help fit under the cap.

Chistov23
08-14-2005, 07:43 PM
wheres getzlaf?
In Portland on the first line with Perry, hopefully developing some chemistry while adapting to the pro game.

Pepper
08-14-2005, 07:51 PM
This isn't fantasy hockey. You are throwing away our 2nd best offensive player and assume we could sign Selanne and Bondra to a combined 3million.

You're damn right this isn't fantasy hockey, Ducks are currently over Burke's budget and damn close to the salary cap so we need to make some moves, Sykora is the most logical choice to be moved. If you think Ducks can go through the season using 22 players at what 38.8M, you're living in a dreamworld.

I didn't suggest we sign both Bondra AND Selänne, they were examples of players to replace Sykora in the top line.

What makes you think Getz could score more than 10-15 goals? Neither Chistov or Lupul could in there rookie season.

What would you rather see, Getzlaf scoring 10-15g while providing physical play and learning the NHL game or Pahlsson score his usual 8g and not providing any physical play at all? If the price is being slightly worse defensively (Getzlaf plays good 2-way game, he lead Team Canada in +/-), then I'll gladly pay that.

Who said Hedstrom was taking out Kunitz? We need to sign players to the minimum and Hedstrom is one of them. We need as much competition for the 3rd and 4th lines as we can get. Instead of just handing Kunitz a spot on the 3rd line now he has to work for it, is that so bad?

No unless if Hedström was given a 1-way deal (and I suspect he wouldn't have signed otherwise) meaning we'll pay it regardless of where he plays next season. I'm all for competition and we have sorely missed it in recent years, I'm just wondering if signing Hedström was the best way to do it.

Randall Graves*
08-14-2005, 07:52 PM
I think he meant Hedstrom will be an upgrade on the third line as opposed to playing Chistov on a checking line.
Sorta, I think Chistov sucks and I know Hedstrom is a solid player from what i've seen in the tournaments the last few years.

Hedstrom ain't afraid to hit guys either, i'd like to see the line consist of hedstrom,pahlsson and getzlaf. you could probably get 35-40 goals out of that if Getzlaf gets PP time.

Randall Graves*
08-14-2005, 07:53 PM
In Portland on the first line with Perry, hopefully developing some chemistry while adapting to the pro game.
I hope not, I really don't see Kunitz making an impact in the NHL, and I just think mcdoanld is another matt cullen.

Art Vandelay
08-14-2005, 08:03 PM
Hands up, who checked Hedström's stats before putting him to our 3rd line?? No-one? I can believe that.

He has NEVER scored more than 14 goals in any league during his career, NEVER. He averaged 12 goals per season in SEL.

He scored 14 goals last season in the SEL, thats top-25 in the leaugue. 2 more then Fredrik Modin 1 more then Daniel Sedin as many as Justin Williams or Henrik Sedin, 1 less then Mariusz Czerkawski, 2 less then Brendan Morrison.

He is not exactly in bad company with "just" 14 goals.

Chistov23
08-14-2005, 08:06 PM
What would you rather see, Getzlaf scoring 10-15g while providing physical play and learning the NHL game or Pahlsson score his usual 8g and not providing any physical play at all? If the price is being slightly worse defensively (Getzlaf plays good 2-way game, he lead Team Canada in +/-), then I'll gladly pay that.
Personally I will be fine either way. If Burke and Carlyle think it is best if Getz is in Anaheim fine, or if they send him to Portland thats ok to. However I doubt Getzlaf would be noticably more physical than Pahlsson. Pahlsson was great on the fore-check last year, Getzlaf is only 20. Also Getzlaf is a 900,000 cap hit where as Kunitz, Pahlsson, Hedstrom are half that, and in our tight situation it does make a difference.
No unless if Hedström was given a 1-way deal (and I suspect he wouldn't have signed otherwise) meaning we'll pay it regardless of where he plays next season. I'm all for competition and we have sorely missed it in recent years, I'm just wondering if signing Hedström was the best way to do it.
Who better could we have signed for 460,000. If there is someone better, who knows if he wants to play here. Hedstrom is a wild card IMO. We don't really know how good he will be. Maybe he replaces Moen on the 4th line when playing softer teams, maybe he beats Kunitz for the third line. All I am saying is I don't understand why you would get mad or dislike a signing when it is a bottom 6 forward for or close to the league minimum. If we didn't sign Hedstrom, like CFOB said it would of just been some other scrub.

lux_interior
08-14-2005, 08:07 PM
He scored 14 goals last season in the SEL, thats top-25 in the leaugue. 2 more then Fredrik Modin 1 more then Daniel Sedin as many as Justin Williams or Henrik Sedin, 1 less then Mariusz Czerkawski, 2 less then Brendan Morrison.

He is not exactly in bad company with "just" 14 goals.
Ha ha.

Jerky Leclerc
08-14-2005, 08:31 PM
Yea but he scored 5 less goals than Henrik Zetterberg. :sarcasm:


I like his stats in the playoffs. 7 games, 3 goals, 8 pts, tied with Zetterberg in points.

Kevin Forbes
08-14-2005, 08:32 PM
I hope not, I really don't see Kunitz making an impact in the NHL, and I just think mcdoanld is another matt cullen.

keep in mind that, when healthy, Kunitz was the top offensive threat last year in Cincy. He would of led all AHL rookies in scoring the year before if Anaheim didn't call him up.

Randall Graves*
08-14-2005, 08:40 PM
keep in mind that, when healthy, Kunitz was the top offensive threat last year in Cincy. He would of led all AHL rookies in scoring the year before if Anaheim didn't call him up.
Yeah but when Kunitz was in the NHL he was a non-factor. I just view him as the hockey version of a 4 A player. Good enough to play really well in the minors, but not good enough to be a factor in the pros.

we'll see, I hope he proves me wrong and gives the ducks 20 goals.

Kevin Forbes
08-14-2005, 08:43 PM
20 goals might be a stretch, but I can see him have a similar impact to McDonald

Ducks_è_Halos
08-14-2005, 08:43 PM
we'll see, I hope he proves me wrong and gives the ducks 20 goals.
That'd be a nice surprise.

lux_interior
08-14-2005, 08:58 PM
That'd be a nice pipe dream.
Fixed.

190Octane
08-15-2005, 02:44 AM
Kunitz didn't get much of a chance to play on scoring lines when he was up in the show, did he?

I think a Kunitz-McDonald-Hedstrom line is a nice 3rd line energy line that could possibly put up 30-40 goals. At least we know Hedstrom will forecheck like a buzz saw.

My lines would go as follows..

Niedermayer-Fedorov-Lupul
Leclerc-Rucchin-Sykora
Kunitz-McDonald-Hedstrom
Fedoruk-Pahlsson-Moen

Leave Getzlaf and Perry in the AHL for a while unless someone absolutely tears it up.

Randall Graves*
08-15-2005, 04:46 AM
Kunitz didn't get much of a chance to play on scoring lines when he was up in the show, did he?

I think a Kunitz-McDonald-Hedstrom line is a nice 3rd line energy line that could possibly put up 30-40 goals. At least we know Hedstrom will forecheck like a buzz saw.

My lines would go as follows..

Niedermayer-Fedorov-Lupul
Leclerc-Rucchin-Sykora
Kunitz-McDonald-Hedstrom
Fedoruk-Pahlsson-Moen

Leave Getzlaf and Perry in the AHL for a while unless someone absolutely tears it up.
that third line isn't physical at all, if thats how it is they better score alot.

then again, perhaps a player like mcdonald thrives under the new rules.

fez
08-15-2005, 09:26 AM
From what I can tell, this is what our forward lines could look like.

Sykora - Fedorov - Lupul
Leclerc - Rucchin - Niedermayer
Kunitz - McDonald - Hedstrom
Fedoruk - Pahlsson - Moen

13th forward : Marshall

Kunitz still makes it on the third line, as does McDonald, both could give 15 goals. You can't expect much more then that from third liners. Check the stats on any team in the league and count down after the top six scoring forwards.
Neither Moen, Fedoruk or Hedstrom have experience as a center and while McDonald might be better on the wing, his faceoff skills are also valued.


I take it Chistov and Konopka are floating around for these lines, ready to take a spot should one open

Kevin Forbes
08-15-2005, 10:25 AM
I take it Chistov and Konopka are floating around for these lines, ready to take a spot should one open

Chistov is staying in Russia apparently
I have Konopka on the outside looking in, unless a trade is made with one of our centres

Professor John Frink
08-15-2005, 11:44 AM
What would you rather see, Getzlaf scoring 10-15g while providing physical play and learning the NHL game or Pahlsson score his usual 8g and not providing any physical play at all? If the price is being slightly worse defensively (Getzlaf plays good 2-way game, he lead Team Canada in +/-), then I'll gladly pay that.

Would you rather get 10-15 goals from Getzlaf for his entire career or a year or two of Pahlsson scoring 8 playing great defense, then bringing up Getzlaf who may score into the 40's goalwise per year.

Because you bring him up from the start and you run the risk of ruining another prospect. Why risk it.

Pepper
08-15-2005, 12:47 PM
Would you rather get 10-15 goals from Getzlaf for his entire career or a year or two of Pahlsson scoring 8 playing great defense, then bringing up Getzlaf who may score into the 40's goalwise per year.

Because you bring him up from the start and you run the risk of ruining another prospect. Why risk it.

Well, there's risk involved in everything. Jeff Carter is pencilled in to Flyers line-up from day 1 without spending a year in the A, same for Richards.

Getzlaf has not been rushed so far and if he has a good camp, he can learn the tricks as 3rd line player without having much pressure to score.

Kevin Forbes
08-15-2005, 12:49 PM
sadly the decision on Smid, Perry and Getzlaf could have more to do with dollars and cents rather then pucks in the net

Professor John Frink
08-15-2005, 12:58 PM
Well, there's risk involved in everything. Jeff Carter is pencilled in to Flyers line-up from day 1 without spending a year in the A, same for Richards.

Getzlaf has not been rushed so far and if he has a good camp, he can learn the tricks as 3rd line player without having much pressure to score.

The Jeff Carter comment is completly irrelevent. It doesn't matter what other teams are doing.

Getzlaf not being rushed so far doesn't mean now that he has an NHL contract he won't be rushed. You don't want to put pressure on the kid then let him develop chemistry with Perry in the AHL.

Throwing him into a 3rd line role is a waste of talent. we want him to score 35 goals in a 1st line role eventually. We have plenty of guys who can fill that 3rd line role now.

Pepper
08-15-2005, 01:41 PM
The Jeff Carter comment is completly irrelevent. It doesn't matter what other teams are doing.

It's totally relevant, you just miss the point. Some players need AHL seasons, some players don't. How do we know that Getzlaf benefits from a season in the A more than playing in the NHL? We don't, not yet atleast.

Throwing him into a 3rd line role is a waste of talent. we want him to score 35 goals in a 1st line role eventually. We have plenty of guys who can fill that 3rd line role now.

Whoa, if playing Getzlaf in the 3rd line is waste of talent, how come a season in the AHL is not waste of talent??

And no, we DON'T have plenty of guys who can provide offense from the 3rd line and that's the problem.

Professor John Frink
08-15-2005, 02:11 PM
It's totally relevant, you just miss the point. Some players need AHL seasons, some players don't. How do we know that Getzlaf benefits from a season in the A more than playing in the NHL? We don't, not yet atleast.

Look at NHL track records. Look at the percentages. How many players coming out of juniors straight to the NHL suceed? How many players has Ducks management developed that way? The percentages are horribly against us.

And whats the rush? Why not let him start in the AHL and if he clearly dominates then bring him up? Everyone is so quick to throw these guys into the fire without looking at the big picture. I get it, this is a prospect site so a ton of people here are in love with our prospects, I mean Getzlaf, Perry, and Smid in our lineup would leave us as a horrible team. And why makes you think Getzlaf has what it takes in the NHL and Perry doesn't? Why not have him in the lineup as well?



, if playing Getzlaf in the 3rd line is waste of talent, how come a season in the AHL is not waste of talent??

And no, we DON'T have plenty of guys who can provide offense from the 3rd line and that's the problem.

His focus wouldn't be on what we eventually want him to accomplish if he played in the NHL. The kid would be worried more about not screwing up rather than focusing on getting use to the pro game and scoring goals.

You're focused on 3rd line scoring? How about 1st and 2nd line scoring first. If the 3rd and 4th lines can play defense we will be fine. But if your main concern is scoring from our 3rd line you are way ahead of yourself. We have scoring problems on our 1st two lines.

Pepper
08-15-2005, 02:44 PM
Look at NHL track records. Look at the percentages. How many players coming out of juniors straight to the NHL suceed? How many players has Ducks management developed that way? The percentages are horribly against us.

So you're saying that Flyers are taking a chance? Okay.

Sorry but you don't develope your prospects based on percentages. If they are deemed to be ready at the TC, they will play in the N. If not, they'll go to A.

I get it, this is a prospect site so a ton of people here are in love with our prospects, I mean Getzlaf, Perry, and Smid in our lineup would leave us as a horrible team. And why makes you think Getzlaf has what it takes in the NHL and Perry doesn't? Why not have him in the lineup as well?

Who's talking about PErry and Smid here??? Not me atleast. Getzlaf plays defense better than Perry so he's more ready to play in the NHL. If Perry and Getzlaf both have a great camp, I have absolutely no problem giving them both a shot in the NHL. If it doesn't work, send them to A. Very easy.

His focus wouldn't be on what we eventually want him to accomplish if he played in the NHL. The kid would be worried more about not screwing up rather than focusing on getting use to the pro game and scoring goals.

And you know this how??

You're focused on 3rd line scoring? How about 1st and 2nd line scoring first. If the 3rd and 4th lines can play defense we will be fine. But if your main concern is scoring from our 3rd line you are way ahead of yourself. We have scoring problems on our 1st two lines.

Yes, please tell me how do we fix our first 2 lines, I think Burke is very interested to hear that as well. Maybe I'm focusing on 3rd line scoring because that's something we can concentrate RIGHT NOW? We all know that because of cap limit & budgets there's very little we can do to our first line scoring. New coach is about the only thing.

Our 3rd and 4th lines can already play defense, how about if we actually did something that would make our 3rd line contribute offensively for a chance??

Professor John Frink
08-15-2005, 09:48 PM
So you're saying that Flyers are taking a chance? Okay.

Sorry but you don't develope your prospects based on percentages. If they are deemed to be ready at the TC, they will play in the N. If not, they'll go to A.

Ehhhh, I can see we clearly are horribly different in our thinking here. So not much point to keep up the argument but here it goes. If you don't look at past history then you are missing an important part of developing a prospect. You're right ever case is different, I am basing my thoughts off of 90% of the prospects that are brought up right out of juniors. Look at what we have done with a lot of our prospects and you will see why bringing up another kid straight out of juniors leaves me skeptical.


Who's talking about PErry and Smid here??? Not me atleast. Getzlaf plays defense better than Perry so he's more ready to play in the NHL. If Perry and Getzlaf both have a great camp, I have absolutely no problem giving them both a shot in the NHL. If it doesn't work, send them to A. Very easy.

You are not the guy bring up Perry or Smid, but my point is that you border along the same lines of these other guys who want to throw all these young prospects into our lineup because of their potential and the fans hope they are the new next best thing. You clearly think it out more so that helps your cause, I just totally disagree with how we should develop them after seeing what we have done with the likes of Tverdovsky, Chistov, Kilger, Smirnov, Balmochnyk.



Yes, please tell me how do we fix our first 2 lines, I think Burke is very interested to hear that as well. Maybe I'm focusing on 3rd line scoring because that's something we can concentrate RIGHT NOW? We all know that because of cap limit & budgets there's very little we can do to our first line scoring. New coach is about the only thing.

Our 3rd and 4th lines can already play defense, how about if we actually did something that would make our 3rd line contribute offensively for a chance??

I am not claiming to know more than you or Burke, it's an opinion. And if we can concentrate on our 3rd line there is no reason why we couldn't on our top 2 lines.So your argument goes out the window there. If you want a ton of scoring by all lines go watch the QMJHL, otherwise wake up and realize that you aren;t going to get that out of many third lines in the "N". The fact that you hate on Pahlsson to me shows your ignorance on what is valued in a checking role

McDonald19
08-18-2005, 08:19 AM
OC Register (http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2005/08/18/sections/sports/pro/article_639227.php)

Ducks close to deal to bring back Hedstrom

The Mighty Ducks are close to finalizing a two-year contract with Swedish right wing Jonathan Hedstrom, his agent said Wednesday.

"He's had two really great years and played really well for the Swedish national team in the World Championships," agent Mark Stowe said. "He's just developed his game at a better and higher level, using his speed and skill."

Pepper
08-18-2005, 09:08 AM
Look at what we have done with a lot of our prospects and you will see why bringing up another kid straight out of juniors leaves me skeptical.

Let's look at it then...Who was the last player we brought up from juniors? Lupul. He didn't do that bad now did he? He also came from WHL which produces the most NHL-ready prospects.
Tverdovsky, Chistov, Kilger, Smirnov, Balmochnyk.


Wait, you're actually using 4 russians and 1 Canuck drafted YEARS ago as an example why not to give Getzlaf a chance??

Oh sorry, it can't possibly work since Smirnov and Balmochnyk failed also, never mind the fact that they were russians who had never played in north-american rink with NHL-rules before.

Good lord :shakehead

I am not claiming to know more than you or Burke, it's an opinion. And if we can concentrate on our 3rd line there is no reason why we couldn't on our top 2 lines.So your argument goes out the window there.

Wait, please tell me what we can do to our top2 lines given the salary cap limitations??

If you want a ton of scoring by all lines go watch the QMJHL, otherwise wake up and realize that you aren;t going to get that out of many third lines in the "N". The fact that you hate on Pahlsson to me shows your ignorance on what is valued in a checking role

Go watch QMJHL?? And you're a moderator here? :shakehead

Maybe it's time for you to wake up & smell the coffee, if we want to go anywhere next year we NEED more offense from ALL lines, including 3rd line. If you can't see that well then we can stop this discussion right now. I don't hate Pahlsson, I hate the fact that we have a small non-physical career-high 8g 3rd line center who's getting the free pass from people like you just because he's good defensively. Newsflash dude, that simply isn't enough!

Put Pahlsson to 4th line, there he can use his defensive skills and can hide behind Moen and Fedoruk when things get rough. Use him at PK if necessary. Bylsma did that (better than Pahlsson mind you), why can't Pahlsson?

Pwnasaurus
08-18-2005, 11:34 AM
Bylsma was not a better PK'er than Pahlsson is. Bylsma was good...Pahlsson is about the best we've had around here in that role. Put in nicer terms than our GM has....I would not overpay for Pahlsson but he's certainly nice to have as outside of when Fedorov wants to or when Rucchin is healthy enough to, he is our best defensive forward and is a tireless worker, something that we sorely lacked around here last year.

Kevin Forbes
08-18-2005, 08:02 PM
Officially signed and announced by Mightyducks.com

http://mightyducks.com/press/release/article.php?dir=200508&id=1008

Jerky Leclerc
08-18-2005, 09:17 PM
Officially signed and announced by Mightyducks.com

http://mightyducks.com/press/release/article.php?dir=200508&id=1008

Does this mean we're a lock for the Stanley Cup?

Jerky Leclerc
08-19-2005, 10:28 AM
From OC Register:

The Mighty Ducks announced the signing of Swedish right wing Jonathan Hedstrom to a two-year contract worth a guaranteed $1.025 million.

Hedstrom, 27, will receive $475,000 this season and $500,000 in 2006-07, as well as a $50,000 signing bonus.

Also the Ducks, Kings, Phoenix and San Jose will participate in their third annual rookie tournament Sept.7-11 in San Jose. Most of each club's top prospects are scheduled to participate in a round-robin competition that will culminate with consolation and championship games Sept.11.

Chistov23
08-19-2005, 01:52 PM
From OC Register:
So we can list his cap hit as 512,500 for each season?

Pepper
08-21-2005, 09:46 AM
So we can list his cap hit as 512,500 for each season?

Yes.

lux_interior
08-21-2005, 05:59 PM
So we're paying Hedstrom more than we offered Pahlsson. I know Burke wants to increase team toughness...but that doesn't exactly make sense.

Professor John Frink
08-21-2005, 07:28 PM
So we're paying Hedstrom more than we offered Pahlsson. I know Burke wants to increase team toughness...but that doesn't exactly make sense.

Well we offered Pahlsson a qualifying offer. No reason to offer him more from the start if he would accept this. He didn't now I beleive I read somewhere they are negotiating something similar to that they are paying Hedstrom.

lux_interior
08-21-2005, 07:33 PM
Well we offered Pahlsson a qualifying offer. No reason to offer him more from the start if he would accept this. He didn't now I beleive I read somewhere they are negotiating something similar to that they are paying Hedstrom.
True. But Burke sure took a hardball approach to Sammy. Not saying it's the wrong thing to do, but when you're paying Hedstrom that much...

TK79
08-23-2005, 09:02 AM
Ahh good ole Euro rivalry.

Hedström is a little b***h.. He's the kind of player who slashes you from behind and runs back to bench before you can catch him. He has no guts whatsoever, so he probably won't try pull the same s*** in the NHL that he did in Europe last season. I'm not crazy about J. Ruutu, but Hedström if wants to see a clown he should look in the mirror.

Kevin Forbes
08-23-2005, 09:23 AM
neat.

Seiza
08-23-2005, 09:50 AM
Hedström is a little b***h.. He's the kind of player who slashes you from behind and runs back to bench before you can catch him. He has no guts whatsoever, so he probably won't try pull the same s*** in the NHL that he did in Europe last season. I'm not crazy about J. Ruutu, but Hedström if wants to see a clown he should look in the mirror.

I actually have to agree, I have never liked Hedström as a player. Not sure why the ducks signed him. I would rather have Påhlsson any day of the week on my team.

Kevin Forbes
08-23-2005, 10:08 AM
I actually have to agree, I have never liked Hedström as a player. Not sure why the ducks signed him. I would rather have Påhlsson any day of the week on my team.

Hopefully the Ducks can have both.

Pwnasaurus
08-23-2005, 10:48 AM
Hedström is a little b***h.. He's the kind of player who slashes you from behind and runs back to bench before you can catch him. He has no guts whatsoever, so he probably won't try pull the same s*** in the NHL that he did in Europe last season. I'm not crazy about J. Ruutu, but Hedström if wants to see a clown he should look in the mirror.

The Swedish Elite League's not my bag baby, I swear!