Uh oh! Kings got Bure....Valeri, ah nevermind.

He should be a good addition to the Kings. Solid pickup IMO.

Will we be seeing Candice Cameron Bure at the Staples center?

Looks like they are going to lose Frolov to russia, this looks like the stop gap until they can get this kid back in a year or so.

If I didn't hate them so much I would feel bad for them.

Kings are trying to build the softest team in NHL's history...

Everywhere you look
There's a heart,
A hand to hold onto ...

Kings are trying to build the softest team in NHL's history...

It will be nice to be the physical team in So. Cal for a change...

Looks like they are going to lose Frolov to russia, this looks like the stop gap until they can get this kid back in a year or so.

If I didn't hate them so much I would feel bad for them.

Yeah their lineup would look a lot better if they had brought Palffy back.

Demitra is a good player, Roenick is just about done, Bure is a floater, Robitaille maybe has one more 20 goal season left in him, Brown will start to contribute.
I forgot their other top 6 forward would be Conroy...decent 2nd liner, I forgot that they had overpaid to get him out of Calgary last summer.

Next they will make a trade for Pronger.






Sean that is.

Not a bad pick up by them. He had 52 points in 68 games last season, not bad.

Next they will make a trade for Pronger.






Sean that is.
And Primeau and Fedorov.







Wayne and Fedor

And Jeff Daniels








The actor I mean.

Kings are trying to build the softest team in NHL's history...



True and they already have the coach who hates fighting.

True and they already have the coach who hates fighting.
It amazing that I keep proving you wrong on this topic and you keep bringing it up every week

Team Fight Totals
Anaheim Mighty Ducks 45
Los Angeles Kings 45

The Kings and Ducks had the same number of fights last year. If Andy Murray hated fighting what happened those 45 times? I don't remember him missing any games last year

Until next week...when you bring this up again

It amazing that I keep proving you wrong on this topic and you keep bringing it up every week

Team Fight Totals
Anaheim Mighty Ducks 45
Los Angeles Kings 45

The Kings and Ducks had the same number of fights last year. If Andy Murray hated fighting what happened those 45 times? I don't remember him missing any games last year

Until next week...when you bring this up again

I think it's more that Murray doesn't like to play enforcers like Flynn. A lot of those fights were the agitators Avery, Laperriere.

I think it's more that Murray doesn't like to play enforcers like Flynn. A lot of those fights were the agitators Avery, Laperriere.
It still makes Dirk wrong.

Looks like they are going to lose Frolov to russia, this looks like the stop gap until they can get this kid back in a year or so.

If I didn't hate them so much I would feel bad for them.
Whoops Frolov just signed

Whoops Frolov just signed

Ah craps!

:cry:

Whoops Frolov just signed

Well can't say I am surprised, no brainer. He is a great young talent I look forward to watching him this season.

I think it's more that Murray doesn't like to play enforcers like Flynn. A lot of those fights were the agitators Avery, Laperriere.

one could argue it's more because Flinn doesn't know how to skate, shoot or quite frankly play hockey, as opposed to coaching bias.
Quite similar to that guy Anaheim used to have that looked like George Michael on steroids....
It's one thing to dress someone who can drop the gloves. It's quite another to put the team at a deficient because that is the only thing that player can do. That's why I agree with the acquisition of Fedoruk (although I still think they paid too much). Fedoruk has at least shown he can handle the five minutes of icetime before he serves the five minutes in the box.

While we're on the subject, here's a nice article on Burnett from 5 years ago:
http://www.clevescene.com/issues/2000-10-19/news/feature.html

Whoops Frolov just signed

:D

It amazing that I keep proving you wrong on this topic and you keep bringing it up every week

Team Fight Totals
Anaheim Mighty Ducks 45
Los Angeles Kings 45

The Kings and Ducks had the same number of fights last year. If Andy Murray hated fighting what happened those 45 times? I don't remember him missing any games last year

Until next week...when you bring this up again



And i keep telling you that Brennan and Norton are gone face it your coach does not like playing enforcers

True and they already have the coach who hates fighting.


As KingsJohn once said, " Don't let facts get in the way of a good story".



:kings



:yo:

People who keep using fighting major total as some kind of evidence really need to get a clue.´

Avery and Lappy fought a lot but apart from that Kings were really *********, a far cry from the Grimson/Norton/Flynn days.

It amazing that I keep proving you wrong on this topic and you keep bringing it up every week

Team Fight Totals
Anaheim Mighty Ducks 45
Los Angeles Kings 45

The Kings and Ducks had the same number of fights last year. If Andy Murray hated fighting what happened those 45 times? I don't remember him missing any games last year

Until next week...when you bring this up again
the ducks were one of the wimpiest teams in the league last season, and you and I both know alot of those fights were middleweights like avery and lappierre.

People who keep using fighting major total as some kind of evidence really need to get a clue.´

Avery and Lappy fought a lot but apart from that Kings were really *********, a far cry from the Grimson/Norton/Flynn days.
Considering that Norton was on the team in the year I quoted that maybe you need to take you won advice about getting a clue.

p.s. It's Flinn

I'm glad Frolov signed with the Kings. Bring it on. The better players the Kings have, just means that the Ducks have to play that much better to beat them. Makes for better games. :clap:

The Kings are going to badly outclass us offensively.

Considering that Norton was on the team in the year I quoted that maybe you need to take you won advice about getting a clue.

p.s. It's Flinn

Wow, that's a good point considering he played 20 games for Kings :shakehead

Heavyweights (Norton+Brennan) accounted for a grand total of 14 fighting majors, hell Garrett Burnett alone had 22 fights and Ducks were widely considered one of the softest teams in the NHL anyway! Also Brennan and Norton played massive 38 games in TOTAL...Hey, you had one enforcer in almost half of the games, even Burnett was dressed for 39 games alone!

Yeah, Andy Murray sure loves his fighters! :shakehead

Maybe you should really dig a bit deeper in to statistics before using them as some kind of evidence to back up your claims.

Wow, that's a good point considering he played 20 games for Kings :shakehead

Heavyweights (Norton+Brennan) accounted for a grand total of 14 fighting majors, hell Garrett Burnett alone had 22 fights and Ducks were widely considered one of the softest teams in the NHL anyway! Also Brennan and Norton played massive 38 games in TOTAL...Hey, you had one enforcer in almost half of the games, even Burnett was dressed for 39 games alone!

Yeah, Andy Murray sure loves his fighters! :shakehead

Maybe you should really dig a bit deeper in to statistics before using them as some kind of evidence to back up your claims.

Speaking of looking into statistics, Norton and Brennan were both injured at points of of the 03-04 season and Norton was claimed off waiver and Brennan was dealt at the deadline. So the games they were available for were limited.

But back to the numbers that really matter The Kings and Ducks had the same number of scraps and even more importantly the Kings, the most injured team in the history of the NHL , finished ahead of the Ducks last year. I guess Andy Murray knows what he's doing.

And as CFOB Pointed out

The Kings are going to badly outclass us offensively.

But back to the numbers that really matter The Kings and Ducks had the same number of scraps and even more importantly the Kings, the most injured team in the history of the NHL , finished ahead of the Ducks last year. I guess Andy Murray knows what he's doing.

Wait, was I talking about Ducks vs. Kings in standings or offensive depth?? I don't think so.

A claim was made that Murray doesn't like fighting, you used statistics & Ducks as an example even though we were one of the softest team in the league last season to prove that this is not the case but failed badly.

Your enforcers had 14 fighting majors last year and 45 in total while Ducks enforcer had 22 FMs and 45 in total and you think that proves your claim?? Wow. :shakehead

I guess it's safe to say that in this case your attempt to change the topic is a white flag.

Wait, was I talking about Ducks vs. Kings in standings or offensive depth?? I don't think so.

A claim was made that Murray doesn't like fighting, you used statistics & Ducks as an example even though we were one of the softest team in the league last season to prove that this is not the case but failed badly.

Your enforcers had 14 fighting majors last year and 45 in total while Ducks enforcer had 22 FMs and 45 in total and you think that proves your claim?? Wow. :shakehead

I guess it's safe to say that in this case your attempt to change the topic is a white flag.

If you you look at the rankings on Hockeyfights.com the Kings and Ducks are both ranked 20th. It may be your opinion that the Ducks were one of the softest teams in the league but both the Kings and Ducks were a little below average.
The Kings had tough guys coming on and off the DL all year, Brennan, Norton and Lappy, so you can make the case that the Kings spread their toughness out while the Ducks kept most of their eggs in one basket. If Lappy, Brennan and Norton had stayed healthy and been with the team the entire year, the Kings would have likely had many more fighting majors.

It's not safe for you to assume anything, I was reminding you of the bigger picture that the entire point of hockey is win games.

If you you look at the rankings on Hockeyfights.com the Kings and Ducks are both ranked 20th. It may be your opinion that the Ducks were one of the softest teams in the league but both the Kings and Ducks were a little below average.

Yeah, we were 20th only because our tough guy was willing but wasn't very good meaning he lost more than he won. If you count the amount of fighting majors among enforcers, I bet Kings are lower than that. Again, that stat proves only that Kings & Ducks were in the worst third of the league in FMs.

The Kings had tough guys coming on and off the DL all year, Brennan, Norton and Lappy, so you can make the case that the Kings spread their toughness out while the Ducks kept most of their eggs in one basket. If Lappy, Brennan and Norton had stayed healthy and been with the team the entire year, the Kings would have likely had many more fighting majors.

1) Laperriere is not a tough guy in the same sense as Norton, Brennan or Flinn.

2) You had craploads of injuries yet Flinn didn't get icetime at all. What does that tell you?

It's not safe for you to assume anything, I was reminding you of the bigger picture that the entire point of hockey is win games.

Topic at hand was Murray & fighting, not the bigger picture of which I'm perfectly aware about thank you.

Yeah, we were 20th only because our tough guy was willing but wasn't very good meaning he lost more than he won. If you count the amount of fighting majors among enforcers, I bet Kings are lower than that. Again, that stat proves only that Kings & Ducks were in the worst third of the league in FMs.

1) Laperriere is not a tough guy in the same sense as Norton, Brennan or Flinn.

2) You had craploads of injuries yet Flinn didn't get icetime at all. What does that tell you?
1- Just because Lappy isn't a heavyweight doesn't mean he can't do the actions of most enforcers when the heavyweights are injured, which was the case

2- Flinn was injured in late in the 02-03 seasonand most of the 03-04 was spent in the AHL trying to get his NHL game back, the injury was re-aggraviated last year and he only appeared in 14 games. Flinn hasn't been healthy in years.



Topic at hand was Murray & fighting, not the bigger picture of which I'm perfectly aware about thank you.


Last time I checked the title of the thread was " Uh oh! Kings got Bure....Valeri, ah nevermind." so the thread is actually about the Kings offense.

1- Just because Lappy isn't a heavyweight doesn't mean he can't do the actions of most enforcers when the heavyweights are injured, which was the case

Lappy can't do the single most important thing which fighting opponents enforcers every night and walking away without killing himself. He's willing but he's no match for real enforcers. Just because you fight a lot doesn't mean you can do enforcer's job.

Last time I checked the title of the thread was " Uh oh! Kings got Bure....Valeri, ah nevermind." so the thread is actually about the Kings offense.

That's no excuse, the topic which we WERE talking about was fighting & Murray regardless of the name of the thread. And Kings getting Val Bure has very little to do with Murray's "bigger picture" anyway.

Good lord, what a battle going on here.

How about this....Kings can win all the fights, Ducks can win all the games.

Pepper I have a hard time understanding the importance of this argument. I mean honestly anyone watching the Ducks and Kings over the last 5 years would know the Kngs have always been the tougher team. The Ducks have been stuck with GM's i n love with softies for quite some time. With Bryan Murray we were getting away with that and even more so now with Burke but it will take some time to see these tougher guys in a Ducks uni.

The fact remains that Kings fans are using last seasons stats but lets look at this year.
Kings tough guys this year-Cowan-middleweight with concussion history, Avery-lightweight agitater.
Ducks tough guys-Fedoruk-Heavyweight, Moen-Middleweight,Marshall-Middleweight,Konopka-Middleweight and from what im hearing Burke is not done.


Unless Flinn plays i cant understand how anyone cannot call the Kings a soft team?
Also Kings fans forgot remember Andy Murray has been outspoken about his dislike for fighting.

So can this this be used for the big picture as far as winning games? Yes everyone knows the way to beat the Kings is to go after theyre star players who by the way are bigtime injury risks with no fear of retribution. The Kings have the coaching equivialant to Pierre Gauthier and i cant wait till injuries start mounting and kings fans calling for Andy Murray to get fired. :biglaugh:

[QUOTE=Professor John Frink]Good lord, what a battle going on here.

How about this....Kings can win all the fights, Ducks can win all the games.

QUOTE]


Id rather the Ducks win both for a change after years of tough kings teams always winning and abusing the Ducks physically

Konopka-Middleweight

That's good for a laugh, Avery would beat the snot out of Konopka. This board is seriously on crack when it comes to that kid.

How about we wait to see if he even makes the NHL team before we proclaim him a middle weight?

How about we wait to see if he even makes the NHL team before we proclaim him a middle weight?

well Konopka will fight anyone, he is about a middleweight. He fought Fedoruk in the AHL last year...funny they will likely be linemates this year.

The Kings are going to badly outclass us offensively.

I don't know about that. They'll definetely be better IMO, but there's alot of similar players(talent-wise) on both ends-

Fedorov and Demitra
Sykora and Roenick
Lupul and Frolov
Rucchin and Conroy

The Kings also have Luc and Val Bure in their top six, but guys like Leclerc, Niedermayer and Getzlaf won't be miles behind them, either.

IMO, these two teams are very close, and I don't think any rivalry in the NHL has two teams that are this close to each other. Should make for the 8 games they face each other to be some of the more intense ones.

[QUOTE=Professor John Frink]Good lord, what a battle going on here.

How about this....Kings can win all the fights, Ducks can win all the games.

QUOTE]


Id rather the Ducks win both for a change after years of tough kings teams always winning and abusing the Ducks physically

The can beat the **** out of us all season long as long as we win. You clearly miss the big picture when focusing just on toughness.

I was trying hard not to come into this thread.. as I feel its ridiculous that whenever somebody makes a thread about the opposing team all hell breaks loose..

The fight talk is stupid.. Playing enforcers is really a waste of all 25 seconds they go out there. In fact.. The only time Flinn should EVER be out there is when someone else takes a run at our (and vice versa if were talking about the Ducks putting their enforcers out there) star player. (i.e. Todd Simpson, and Palffy)

People in here are acting like fighting should be done in every period.

Id rather the Ducks win both for a change after years of tough kings teams always winning and abusing the Ducks physically

Right, but given the choice between the two, I'd rather win on the scoreboard...the win that counts.

And isn't the alltime W-L record head to head between Kings and Ducks about even?

The fact remains that Kings fans are using last seasons stats but lets look at this year.
Kings tough guys this year-Cowan-middleweight with concussion history, Avery-lightweight agitater.
Ducks tough guys-Fedoruk-Heavyweight, Moen-Middleweight,Marshall-Middleweight,Konopka-Middleweight and from what im hearing Burke is not done.


Unless Flinn plays i cant understand how anyone cannot call the Kings a soft team?
Also Kings fans forgot remember Andy Murray has been outspoken about his dislike for fighting.

So can this this be used for the big picture as far as winning games? Yes everyone knows the way to beat the Kings is to go after theyre star players who by the way are bigtime injury risks with no fear of retribution. The Kings have the coaching equivialant to Pierre Gauthier and i cant wait till injuries start mounting and kings fans calling for Andy Murray to get fired. :biglaugh:


HEY DIRK! ...........WHO REALLY GIVES A SH#T, UH! AND OH YEAH, GO KINGS!



:kings

The can beat the **** out of us all season long as long as we win. You clearly miss the big picture when focusing just on toughness.



With more head to head matchups this season you dont think physical play and toughness/intimidation are not important to winning games? Big picture is the key to beating the Kings is to run theyre star players all game plain and simple. Hockey is not a gentlemans sport and if the Kings our considered our "rival" they should play like it.

With more head to head matchups this season you dont think physical play and toughness/intimidation are not important to winning games? Big picture is the key to beating the Kings is to run theyre star players all game plain and simple. Hockey is not a gentlemans sport and if the Kings our considered our "rival" they should play like it.


For once, you guys are actually getting tough players and star players to Anaheim. Be content with that. Your team is really moving in the right direction. King-Duck games will be very intense this year, no doubt. Our star forwards aganist your star players will see to that. Flinn and Fedoruk will close the show. It will be INTENSE and thats a good thing.

:kings

I was trying hard not to come into this thread.. as I feel its ridiculous that whenever somebody makes a thread about the opposing team all hell breaks loose..

The fight talk is stupid.. Playing enforcers is really a waste of all 25 seconds they go out there. In fact.. The only time Flinn should EVER be out there is when someone else takes a run at our (and vice versa if were talking about the Ducks putting their enforcers out there) star player. (i.e. Todd Simpson, and Palffy)

People in here are acting like fighting should be done in every period.

To tell you the truth, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the guys in here thought that. I know some have suggested ridding Sami Pahlsson, who was arguably our MVP last year, for the very unproven Zenon Konopka, because he's more physical and can fight.

And isn't the alltime W-L record head to head between Kings and Ducks about even?

The Ducks held the edge the first few years of their existence, then the pendulum swung the other way as the Kings started to get decent again.

In any case, both teams have been largely mediocre, so it seems to me it's kind of like Clippers and Golden State fans trash talking each other over who sucked less.

The fact remains that Kings fans are using last seasons stats but lets look at this year.
Kings tough guys this year-Cowan-middleweight with concussion history, Avery-lightweight agitater.
Ducks tough guys-Fedoruk-Heavyweight, Moen-Middleweight,Marshall-Middleweight,Konopka-Middleweight and from what im hearing Burke is not done.


Unless Flinn plays i cant understand how anyone cannot call the Kings a soft team?
Also Kings fans forgot remember Andy Murray has been outspoken about his dislike for fighting.

So can this this be used for the big picture as far as winning games? Yes everyone knows the way to beat the Kings is to go after theyre star players who by the way are bigtime injury risks with no fear of retribution. The Kings have the coaching equivialant to Pierre Gauthier and i cant wait till injuries start mounting and kings fans calling for Andy Murray to get fired. :biglaugh:
JR might be the kings toughest player, no slight on him he's tough and plays a physical style but there are not many guys on the team that I see and go 'oh we better be careful'. Norstrom can be physical and so can Brown but nobody fears Avery, I am sick and tired of him,tyson nash, and matt cooke these agitators hide behind the instigator rule.

the kings have some fire power but roenick and bure are both injury prone and I'm not sure how good conroy is minus iginla.

JR might be the kings toughest player, no slight on him he's tough and plays a physical style but there are not many guys on the team that I see and go 'oh we better be careful'. Norstrom can be physical and so can Brown but nobody fears Avery, I am sick and tired of him,tyson nash, and matt cooke these agitators hide behind the instigator rule.

the kings have some fire power but roenick and bure are both injury prone and I'm not sure how good conroy is minus iginla.


Demitra is also very injury prone

The way i see it

Ducks offense is equal to the Kings offense
Ducks Defense >>>>> Kings defense
Ducks Goaltending >>>>>> Kings (Garon)
Ducks toughness >>>>>>> Kings

The way i see it

Ducks offense is equal to the Kings offense
Ducks Defense >>>>> Kings defense
Ducks Goaltending >>>>>> Kings (Garon)
Ducks toughness >>>>>>> Kings

I'd say that's a bit of an over-exaggeration, but here's how I see it:

Offense: Ducks < Kings
Defense: Ducks >> Kings
Goaltending: Ducks >> Kings


Even that might be disagreed upon, but it's just how I see it right now. Maybe only have one > on the defenses, though.

With more head to head matchups this season you dont think physical play and toughness/intimidation are not important to winning games? Big picture is the key to beating the Kings is to run theyre star players all game plain and simple. Hockey is not a gentlemans sport and if the Kings our considered our "rival" they should play like it.
arankys?

is that you?

The way i see it

Ducks offense is equal to the Kings offense
Ducks Defense >>>>> Kings defense
Ducks Goaltending >>>>>> Kings (Garon)
Ducks toughness >>>>>>> Kings
boy, i'd really love to get the regular season started... :madfire:

i wouldn't really break this down offense vs defense because the ducks should get quite a bit of offense from the blueline with ozolinsh,niedermayer and even vishnevski.

Forwards: Kings >> Ducks, why? The kings have more depth, their first line is better. But I think the ducks have more physical toughness from the forwards which can compensate for not alot of fire power, while the kings forwards are extremely injury prone, especially in the top 6.

Defensemen: Kings << Ducks, why? Anaheim has a legitimate #1 defensemen, the kings at this stage do not. Ozolinsh and Visnovsky are both good offensive defensemen, Visnovsky is better defensively. Carney(if his ankle is recovered) and Norstrom are a wash, I'll take Salei over Miller, Miller is always hurt and vishnevski has made large strides. Dempsey is a solid defensemen the kings will also be relying on Gleason, Grebeshkov and Corvo. the Ducks 6/7 will consist of jason marshall and Mark Popovic. I think Niedermayer tips the scales in this one.

Goalies:
Kings < Ducks, why? It's simple, at this point garon has not been a number 1 goaltender. I happen to like him but you always have to question if a goalie going from backup to starter can handle the load. Also looking deeper into Gigueres numbers after a horrible start he had a great finish the last 35-40 games. The question is, how much is he affected by pad restrictions because he is a big goalie.

I think the cap has created more parity so things are relatively even imo.

it's easy boys.. only way to settle this one is by watching our guys on the ice. May the best team win.

it's easy boys.. only way to settle this one is by watching our guys on the ice. May the best team win.
That's all you can do.

it's easy boys.. only way to settle this one is by watching our guys on the ice. May the best team win.

Agreed.

Pepper I have a hard time understanding the importance of this argument. I mean honestly anyone watching the Ducks and Kings over the last 5 years would know the Kngs have always been the tougher team.

Hey, nobody's denying that! And that's really not even the point of this argument since I've admitted Ducks softness a long ago.

The Ducks have been stuck with GM's i n love with softies for quite some time. With Bryan Murray we were getting away with that and even more so now with Burke but it will take some time to see these tougher guys in a Ducks uni.

Again, we agree 100%. This was about Andy Murray and fighting, not really about Ducks vs. Kings.

How about we wait to see if he even makes the NHL team before we proclaim him a middle weight?

Wait, what has that have to do with anything? Frank Bialowas plays in the AHL and we all know he's a full heavyweight. The weight class can be determined without NHL experience.

Btw, I agree that Avery shouldn't be a lightweight if Konopka is classified as middleweight fighter.

To tell you the truth, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the guys in here thought that. I know some have suggested ridding Sami Pahlsson, who was arguably our MVP last year, for the very unproven Zenon Konopka, because he's more physical and can fight.

For the love of god, stop making up that ****.

I didn't say we need to get rid of Pahlsson because he's not physical enough, I said that we can't have 8g player like Pahlsson centering our 3rd line! We need more offense from 3rd line centers but people here have this huge hard-on for Pahlsson because 'he's so good defensively'.

4th line should be physical energy line, if Konopka can play good defense he's a much better choice for the 4th line than Pahlsson.

Frank Bialowas plays in the AHL and we all know he's a full heavyweight.

Does it matter if he can't make the NHL? I don't think so. Not in a discussion about how soft/tough our NHL team is.

Btw, I agree that Avery shouldn't be a lightweight if Konopka is classified as middleweight fighter.

Exactly.

Does it matter if he can't make the NHL? I don't think so. Not in a discussion about how soft/tough our NHL team is.

Ummmm I kinda fail to see the relevance of whether he plays in the NHL or AHL...I mean Bialowas is a top heavyweight enforcer who's not good enough otherwise to make it to NHL but he's still a top heavy.

For the love of god, stop making up that ****.

I didn't say we need to get rid of Pahlsson because he's not physical enough, I said that we can't have 8g player like Pahlsson centering our 3rd line! We need more offense from 3rd line centers but people here have this huge hard-on for Pahlsson because 'he's so good defensively'.

4th line should be physical energy line, if Konopka can play good defense he's a much better choice for the 4th line than Pahlsson.

I don't think I'm making anything up. I distinctly remember you saying that we should let Pahlsson go, because you find him useless. Well, maybe you didn't say because he's not physical, but you have admitted you don't think one of our best players, and probably our top defensive player, doesn't fit in. Hell, you just said it in the above paragraph!

I don't think I'm making anything up. I distinctly remember you saying that we should let Pahlsson go, because you find him useless. Well, maybe you didn't say because he's not physical, but you have admitted you don't think one of our best players, and probably our top defensive player, doesn't fit in. Hell, you just said it in the above paragraph!

I said that he doesn't provide enough offense for the 3rd line and not enough physical play & energy for the 4th line.

Ducks can't afford to have very one-dimensional defensive specialist with extremely limited offensive upside when we're starved at offense anyway.

I said that he doesn't provide enough offense for the 3rd line and not enough physical play & energy for the 4th line.

Ducks can't afford to have very one-dimensional defensive specialist with extremely limited offensive upside when we're starved at offense anyway.

So, in other words, you don't want Pahlsson on this team. That's all I'm saying.

So, in other words, you don't want Pahlsson on this team. That's all I'm saying.

This is not personal against Pahlsson, I don't want any player with Pahlsson's limited offense & physical play to play Ducks next season. We could have him if we were an offensive powerhouse but we're not.

This is not personal against Pahlsson, I don't want any player with Pahlsson's limited offense & physical play to play Ducks next season. We could have him if we were an offensive powerhouse but we're not.

I know that much. All I'm saying is, when a guy says how some of us around here act like all the players should do is fight, and how toughness is overvalued(well, I say that) on this board, a good example is how some think one of our better players last season, and a good player for the Swedish National Team, shouldn't make the team over an unproven AHLer because he's not physical enough.

I know that much. All I'm saying is, when a guy says how some of us around here act like all the players should do is fight, and how toughness is overvalued(well, I say that) on this board, a good example is how some think one of our better players last season, and a good player for the Swedish National Team, shouldn't make the team over an unproven AHLer because he's not physical enough.

That's were you go wrong.

1) Ducks have been one of the softest teams in the league for long, we need all the toughness we can get at this point. If we were team like Flames, we could afford to have more soft players. Ducks can't afford that right now.

2) Ducks are starved offensively, we need all the offense we can get. If we were team like Colorado or Vancouver, we could afford to have more defensive specialists. Ducks can't afford that right now.

If we want to get tougher & get more offense, wouldn't Pahlsson be the most logical choice to be replaced since he doesn't bring anything in either category? We gotta start somewhere you know.

Secondly, Hedström is proven?? He has had one ok tournament, this 'proven swedish national team player' (in a team which was missing craploads of NHL players) scored a massive 3 goals and 4 assists in 9 games. 1 goal against the powerhouse known as Denmark (which sweden won 7-0) and 2 goals against Finland, both goals giftwrapped by horrible goaltending from Norrena.

Tell me again, how is Hedström exactly proven compared to guy like Kunitz who had much better stats in AHL?

Pahlsson also scored 7 points in that tournament, that should tell you everything about the offense Hedström produces.

Btw, I know you didn't watch the games, I did, practically all of them.

We have gone through this what 5 times already. Rönnberg, Jönsson, Davidsson, Tenkrat etc. all had great international resumes (much better than Hedström's btw), were hyped a lot and expected to be good players here but were total flops in Anaheim. Considering you have most likely seen this guy play exactly zero times, what makes you think he's gonna be better than those? Haven't we learned anything???

To tell you the truth, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the guys in here thought that. I know some have suggested ridding Sami Pahlsson, who was arguably our MVP last year, for the very unproven Zenon Konopka, because he's more physical and can fight.

The point im trying to make is.. Fighting turns away the casual fan (which the NHL is currentlry trying to attract) because they dont know that fighting is supposed to motivate a team.. They dont fight just for the sake of fighting.

God, is this argument still going on?

God, is this argument still going on?

unfortunately :shakehead

The point im trying to make is.. Fighting turns away the casual fan (which the NHL is currentlry trying to attract) because they dont know that fighting is supposed to motivate a team.. They dont fight just for the sake of fighting.
Every casual fan that I know likes to watch hockey for the fights. Just sayin'.

That's were you go wrong.

1) Ducks have been one of the softest teams in the league for long, we need all the toughness we can get at this point. If we were team like Flames, we could afford to have more soft players. Ducks can't afford that right now.

2) Ducks are starved offensively, we need all the offense we can get. If we were team like Colorado or Vancouver, we could afford to have more defensive specialists. Ducks can't afford that right now.

If we want to get tougher & get more offense, wouldn't Pahlsson be the most logical choice to be replaced since he doesn't bring anything in either category? We gotta start somewhere you know.

Secondly, Hedström is proven?? He has had one ok tournament, this 'proven swedish national team player' (in a team which was missing craploads of NHL players) scored a massive 3 goals and 4 assists in 9 games. 1 goal against the powerhouse known as Denmark (which sweden won 7-0) and 2 goals against Finland, both goals giftwrapped by horrible goaltending from Norrena.

Tell me again, how is Hedström exactly proven compared to guy like Kunitz who had much better stats in AHL?

Pahlsson also scored 7 points in that tournament, that should tell you everything about the offense Hedström produces.

Btw, I know you didn't watch the games, I did, practically all of them.

We have gone through this what 5 times already. Rönnberg, Jönsson, Davidsson, Tenkrat etc. all had great international resumes (much better than Hedström's btw), were hyped a lot and expected to be good players here but were total flops in Anaheim. Considering you have most likely seen this guy play exactly zero times, what makes you think he's gonna be better than those? Haven't we learned anything???
how much have you seen hedstrom?

Every casual fan that I know likes to watch hockey for the fights. Just sayin'.
Same here. It seems like that's the thing that draws them to hockey the most. I don't even think they really understand the game but they go to see the fights.

Demitra is also very injury prone

where does this injury prone come from? people act likes he misses 20 games a year becuase of injury. i would see how it woul dbe an issue if he missed alot of games and didt put up points his last 7 yrs hes been close to a ppg player and im happy about that.

The point im trying to make is.. Fighting turns away the casual fan (which the NHL is currentlry trying to attract) because they dont know that fighting is supposed to motivate a team.. They dont fight just for the sake of fighting.


Without fighting i think the NHL would sink

God, is this argument still going on?




:propeller

Every casual fan that I know likes to watch hockey for the fights. Just sayin'.


Its a shame they can't realize WHY they fight.. They just think 'oh thats cool two guys just fought.. I'll turn the channel now. I'll go some more exciting hands of poker.'

They need to attract people who like the game for what it is..

The point im trying to make is.. Fighting turns away the casual fan (which the NHL is currentlry trying to attract) because they dont know that fighting is supposed to motivate a team.. They dont fight just for the sake of fighting.

What a load of crap.

NHL has never been more popular than during the early 90's when there were twice as much fighting as currently. NHL's popularity and amount of fighting have a very strong positive correlation from the early 80's.

how much have you seen hedstrom?

I've seen him in few international tournaments (WCs, Eurotourney) and couple of SEL games.

What a load of crap.

NHL has never been more popular than during the early 90's when there were twice as much fighting as currently. NHL's popularity and amount of fighting have a very strong positive correlation from the early 80's.


I agree with you!



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I don't understand why there is so much disfavor with Sammi Pahlsson. He is by far one of the best penalty killers in the league. Further, he is very good on faceoffs. He may lack toughness, but he is a definite asset on the team, especially when we are short handed.

I don't understand why there is so much disfavor with Sammi Pahlsson. He is by far one of the best penalty killers in the league. Further, he is very good on faceoffs. He may lack toughness, but he is a definite asset on the team, especially when we are short handed.
I agree. The Pahlsson backlash is in full effect.

What a load of crap.

NHL has never been more popular than during the early 90's when there were twice as much fighting as currently. NHL's popularity and amount of fighting have a very strong positive correlation from the early 80's.

The greatest player to ever play the game was in his prime back then. People had a reason to watch OTHER than fighting.

How many people do you go up to with a hockey shirt on, and go 'whos your favorite team?" And you get a response like "Oh.. I only watch hockey for the fighting." People who think like that dumb down the game.

What a load of crap.

NHL has never been more popular than during the early 90's when there were twice as much fighting as currently. NHL's popularity and amount of fighting have a very strong positive correlation from the early 80's.
blame bettman and his beloved instigator rule.

The greatest player to ever play the game was in his prime back then. People had a reason to watch OTHER than fighting.

Gretzky played in one city at the time, how do you explain all those great ratings even when Gretzky wasn't playing??

How many people do you go up to with a hockey shirt on, and go 'whos your favorite team?" And you get a response like "Oh.. I only watch hockey for the fighting." People who think like that dumb down the game.

What an argument... :shakehead

Next time you see a fight break out, check out the crowd. Count the people you see turning away, shielding their eyes or booing. Then count the people cheering, standing, yelling wildly looking very excited.

I think the results might surprise you.

Gretzky played in one city at the time, how do you explain all those great ratings even when Gretzky wasn't playing??



What an argument... :shakehead

Next time you see a fight break out, check out the crowd. Count the people you see turning away, shielding their eyes or booing. Then count the people cheering, standing, yelling wildly looking very excited.

I think the results might surprise you.

Alright.. You win. Who needs goals, big hits, breakaways, big saves, fast paced end to end action, when you can just watch a FIGHT!?

Alright.. You win. Who needs goals, big hits, breakaways, big saves, fast paced end to end action, when you can just watch a FIGHT!?

he's not trying to make you feel stupid or anything. However IMO, he's right. I for one dont love the fights but they are fun to watch every once in a while. Fighting does have a place in this sport IMO. However, I agree with Pepper, the fans love the fighting.

he's not trying to make you feel stupid or anything. However IMO, he's right. I for one dont love the fights but they are fun to watch every once in a while. Fighting does have a place in this sport IMO. However, I agree with Pepper, the fans love the fighting.


I never said I didn't like fighting.. Its just people need to realize what its FOR.. Its to motivate a team after having a big goal scored on them, or one of your star players getting run at.

I never said I didn't like fighting.. Its just people need to realize what its FOR.. Its to motivate a team after having a big goal scored on them, or one of your star players getting run at.

It doesn't matter if casual fans realize why it's happening as long as they like it.

If some potential hockey fan is turned away from hockey because of fighting, there's a very good chance he wouldn't become a hockey fan anyway.

We can't go changing the fundamentals of our game just because some soccer fans don't like the hockey as it is.

Don't like it? Good, get the hell out then, we can't please everybody.

It doesn't matter if casual fans realize why it's happening as long as they like it.

If some potential hockey fan is turned away from hockey because of fighting, there's a very good chance he wouldn't become a hockey fan anyway.

We can't go changing the fundamentals of our game just because some soccer fans don't like the hockey as it is.

Don't like it? Good, get the hell out then, we can't please everybody.

Fighting is a 'fundemental' part of the game?