Chistov is Staying in Russia

Link (http://eng.bashvest.ru/showinf.php?id=1258)

He's not got a contract in the NHL, so he can go freely. We keep his rights.

This IMO is somewhat of a good thing. I might be wrong, but our cap concerns are pretty much over as of now. Sykora will likely remain a Duck now, but they still might get more wiggle room to add a guy who'd help if he came at the deadline. If we added a guy at the deadline, we'd only need to be slightly under the cap, anyway, so it really isn't even that big of problem.

Playing in the RSL for a season could boost his confidence, which is a good thing, and if we can persuade him to come back next season, we might end up with a much better player.

Also, Smirnov signed with Avangard Omsk, IIRC, for those who care.

good. I want Perry and Getzlaf on the team.

Chistov will be better off in Russia sharpening his skills. During his stint in the AHL, he was trying to find his identity. I don't know if he was trying to prove his toughness to Babs by getting into fights, but it kind of screwed him up. Anyways I hope we don't trade him for a worthless pick. Good luck Stan, and I hope you find your cheese.

In terms of Getzlaf and Perry, I think they need to stay in Portland. From reading the message boards in moosehockey.com , Kitty (Randy Caryle) liked to play his first 2 lines a lot. Therefore, Getz and Perry would hardly play in the NHL.

Just a thought

In terms of Getzlaf and Perry, I think they need to stay in Portland. From reading the message boards in moosehockey.com , Kitty (Randy Caryle) liked to play his first 2 lines a lot. Therefore, Getz and Perry would hardly play in the NHL.



I think he will roll 3 lines with the fourth line of Fedoruk, Moen and possibly Konopka getting maybe one or two shifts a period to make some noise.

If Perry and Getzlaf earn spots on the top 3 lines then great, if not then they can play on the first line in Portland and continue developing.

So it goes my favourite player in Anaheim, hope he changes his idea.

good, now they HAVE to put Getzlaf on the roster somewhere.

I just can't understand why people is so happy Chistov will stay in Russia this year.
This hurts big time our organization cause one of our top prospect won't play for us and maybe never will again, losing part of our future and a huge investment done with a high pick in a deep 2001 draft.
What a big mistake was for him to play in the AHL last year, better was to come back to Russia to regain some confidence and return to the NHL this year.
I really really hope that after a positive year in the RSL, he will decide to come back in Anaheim, the kid has all the skills in the world, he has just to put them all together.

And not that Chistov in the line-up means that Getzlaf is out of the team, he is a safe bet to be at least in the third line.

I just can't understand why people is so happy Chistov will stay in Russia this year.
This hurts big time our organization cause one of our top prospect won't play for us and maybe never will again, losing part of our future and a huge investment done with a high pick in a deep 2003 draft.



2001 Draft. and it was an average draft.

I think a lot of Duck fans want to move on and are ready for Getzlaf and Perry to play.

Of course 2001, don't know what I was thinking.
Anyway, average considering all the draft, look at the top prospects right now, many came out from that draft.

Bad move by Chistov IMO.

I don't think he wanted to be here, honestly. With the exception of his rookie year, he never played like it, and he never acted like it.

It's actually good news for Ducks, that makes it easier to get undre cap and they have extra room for the other young players.

I don't think he wanted to be here, honestly. With the exception of his rookie year, he never played like it, and he never acted like it.

Totally agree here, he coasted through his time in NA. The skills were there but the attitude never was. IMO he would still be here if he didn't spend his first season in the NHL. Making it to the Cup in a season then being demoted the next and spending the next in the AHL.

I don't think this opens up a spot for Getzlaf or Perry I think it opens a spot to sign someone else to bring in. Those two should spend the season in Portland.

Chistov was regressing with us. This is a good move and he can sharpen his skill the next few years in Russia. IMO, the guy just needs confidence. Beside, it wasn't like he was going to win a job in Anaheim this year.

good. I want Perry and Getzlaf on the team.
Getzlaf's a bit too expensive. Perry's cheaper than Chistov though, at about $600k.

If Chistov does come back, I don't see it being in Anaheim. With many young forwards coming through our system I think Burke would rather take the chance on a big N.A kid (Getz, Lupul, Perry, Ryan) than a small euro. I think we will trade him if he lets it be known he wants to come back. It has been pretty disappointing watching him go from the most exciting player on our team as a rookie, to struggling in the AHL. I still believe he can be a 6 forward, maybe one day he will prove it.

does anybody know how the relationship between babcock and chistov was? i remember babcock saying "if chistov isn't a star when he is 25, i'll blame myself for that..."

maybe chistov leaving has something to do with babcock leaving?

does anybody know how the relationship between babcock and chistov was? i remember babcock saying "if chistov isn't a star when he is 25, i'll blame myself for that..."

maybe chistov leaving has something to do with babcock leaving?
I think Babcock was referring to Chistov having the talent to be a star and blaming himself if he didn't get Chistov to work hard enough to realise his potential. He made a similiar statement about Lupul. One of the reasons I like Babs.

If Chistov does come back, I don't see it being in Anaheim.
Agreed. I don't think he'd want come back to Anaheim either.

Getzlaf's a bit too expensive. Perry's cheaper than Chistov though, at about $600k.

I thought Getzlaf and Perry both signed the maximum entry contracts for 03 first round picks?

I thought Babcock didnt like chistov?? I remember him saying he was tired of players not giving it their all, and it was obvious he meant chistov.

Getzlaf's a bit too expensive. Perry's cheaper than Chistov though, at about $600k.
I seriously doubt perry is ready, Getzlaf might be.

Chistov sucks, his attitude is laughable.

If Chistov does come back, I don't see it being in Anaheim. With many young forwards coming through our system I think Burke would rather take the chance on a big N.A kid (Getz, Lupul, Perry, Ryan) than a small euro. I think we will trade him if he lets it be known he wants to come back. It has been pretty disappointing watching him go from the most exciting player on our team as a rookie, to struggling in the AHL. I still believe he can be a 6 forward, maybe one day he will prove it.

What are you going to do about your name now?...

What are you going to do about your name now?...
Probably pimp Chistov still, see how he does. I don't think you can change your name or not? ...... Maybe I should change it to something about Smid, he is getting no love these days.

Probably pimp Chistov still, see how he does. I don't think you can change your name or not? ...... Maybe I should change it to something about Smid, he is getting no love these days.
I think you can. There have been threads about what posters should change they're user names to in the lounge. I think you just have to pm buffaloed or a global mod and ask them. But I agree with just keeping the name since you never know how he'll turn out in the end(unless he ends up with the Kings of course.)

Of course the Ducks jerseys I have are Chistov and Kariya.. damnit.

after being a fan for like 5 years, I bought my Kariya jersey during a playoff game during the stanley cup run year....

I remember saying to my friend, how is Kariya going to want to leave us now that we've become contenders...

I hope that f***ing a**hole breaks his leg again

I thought Getzlaf and Perry both signed the maximum entry contracts for 03 first round picks?
They both signed entry-level contracts. Getzlaf got the max; Perry's numbers are damn hard to track. The only link I ever found listing his salary was on foxsports.com, who list him at $684,000.

So, we can now package Sykora and Chistov, in return we can hope for prospect + pick.

I remember the first game of the 02/03 season when Chistov and Smirnov both had multi pt nights, their 1st NHL goals etc and looked to be future stars.

Fast forward not even 3 years and Smirnov is released and destined for a career in Europe and Chistov after two horrible seasons is returning home as well, who knows if he ever returns. Weird what happens.

But hey atleast you guys are only losing a fringe player to Russia, the Kings are likely losing a major part of their team.

hmm.. Is every russian going back home? :dunno:

Datsyuk,Malkin,Chistov.. :shakehead

I remember the first game of the 02/03 season when Chistov and Smirnov both had multi pt nights, their 1st NHL goals etc and looked to be future stars.

Fast forward not even 3 years and Smirnov is released and destined for a career in Europe and Chistov after two horrible seasons is returning home as well, who knows if he ever returns. Weird what happens.



I wouldn't say weird, I would say poor management. Those two should have been playing in the AHL not the NHL. Now granted things may not have changed much especially with Europe trying hard to keeep its players.

But mangement did a poor job in bringing those two into the fold. Ruined two great futures IMO.

I remember the first game of the 02/03 season when Chistov and Smirnov both had multi pt nights, their 1st NHL goals etc and looked to be future stars.

Fast forward not even 3 years and Smirnov is released and destined for a career in Europe and Chistov after two horrible seasons is returning home as well, who knows if he ever returns. Weird what happens.

But hey atleast you guys are only losing a fringe player to Russia, the Kings are likely losing a major part of their team.

You're right, Herby, we're only losing "fringe players" (Chistov & Smirnov) to Russia. (Yes, I know, the Ducks didn't make a Qualifying Offer to Smirnov so he became a Free Agent.) However, both of these "fringe players" were First-Round picks. To add insult to injury, we passed on Frolov (and others) to take Smirnov. The only reason Smirnov dropped to us (with the 12th pick overall) is because he had a questionable "work ethic". Now, four years or so after the fact, his work ethic no longer can be labeled "questionable". The only word that aptly describes it is "non-existent".

I love to see Chistov during the playoff 2 yr ago.....but after that...i saw him play and he was pathetic.... Sad story :cry:

They both signed entry-level contracts. Getzlaf got the max; Perry's numbers are damn hard to track. The only link I ever found listing his salary was on foxsports.com, who list him at $684,000.

I'm pretty sure Perry got the max from what I can remember reading at the time. Ducks wanted to get their 03 first round picks on contract before the lockout started and the easiest way to do that was to give them each the maximum.

after being a fan for like 5 years, I bought my Kariya jersey during a playoff game during the stanley cup run year....

I remember saying to my friend, how is Kariya going to want to leave us now that we've become contenders...

I hope that f***ing a**hole breaks his leg again
I thought Ducks management made him an unrestricted free agent?

I thought Ducks management made him an unrestricted free agent?

Bryan Murray didn't give Kariya his 10 million qualifier which did make Kariya a UFA. Murray thought they could then negotiate a long term deal to keep Kariya here for his whole career. Instead Kariya got whiny and offended and took off with his bestfriendforever Teemu to Colorado for 1.5 million.

I wouldn't say weird, I would say poor management. Those two should have been playing in the AHL not the NHL. Now granted things may not have changed much especially with Europe trying hard to keeep its players.

But mangement did a poor job in bringing those two into the fold. Ruined two great futures IMO.
I don't think management can be blamed for those two player's failures. Smirnov had questionable work ethic at the time we drafted him. Everyone knew that and it turned out to be true. I think he was destined for being a bust no matter where he played.

Chistov is a tough one. I don't know if the book is closed yet. Yes, management has something to do with him, but also a questionable work ethic is at play there.

. . . Instead Kariya got whiny and offended and took off with his bestfriendforever Teemu to Colorado for 1.5 million.
I guess it's OK to want to play with your brother but it's not OK to want to play with your bestfriendforever?

I guess it's OK to want to play with your brother but it's not OK to want to play with your bestfriendforever?
I'm pretty sure we offered Selanne 6m and Kariya 7m. One of the reasons Murray didn't qualify Paul was so he could use some of that money to bring Selanne back, or atleast thats my opinion. However in the Nieds case, the only place the brothers could be together was Anaheim. Also Nieds wanted to move to the west coast for family reasons anyway. These two cases are not similar in any way, especially if you look at the history of Kariya in Anaheim and Nieds in Jersey.

I guess it's OK to want to play with your brother but it's not OK to want to play with your bestfriendforever?
Oh my god. Ain't I heard enough about those two freaking guys for the rest of my life.

The man's a Predator. He's happy there. Teemu's a whatever. I'm sure he's very happy too, jabbering incoherently. Can this not die, two years later? The fans of the franchise are mostly pissed. The dynamic duo fanboys are mostly not. Can we just enter it into wikipedia or something and call it history?

I don't think management can be blamed for those two player's failures. Smirnov had questionable work ethic at the time we drafted him. Everyone knew that and it turned out to be true. I think he was destined for being a bust no matter where he played.

Chistov is a tough one. I don't know if the book is closed yet. Yes, management has something to do with him, but also a questionable work ethic is at play there.

How can management not be blamed here? They drafted Smirnov so they are to blamed for not seeing that this kid wouldn't pan out. Then they rushed him, along with Chistov.

Questionable work ethic is something that scouts need to see, it is their job to see this from the get go. Either way it goes back to what management does with these guys.

I think Ducks should completely stop drafting russians for the next 5 years or so, it seems awful lot of them are headcases with questionable motivation and also victims of the russian hockey federation playing politics.

Bryan Murray didn't give Kariya his 10 million qualifier which did make Kariya a UFA. Murray thought they could then negotiate a long term deal to keep Kariya here for his whole career. Instead Kariya got whiny and offended and took off with his bestfriendforever Teemu to Colorado for 1.5 million.
So the Ducks made him an UNRESTRICTED free agent.

I think that means he is then free to sign with whomever he wants.

So the Ducks made him an UNRESTRICTED free agent.

I think that means he is then free to sign with whomever he wants.

Wow...Guys, I think we have an expert here. :shakehead

I think Ducks should completely stop drafting russians for the next 5 years or so, it seems awful lot of them are headcases with questionable motivation and also victims of the russian hockey federation playing politics.
Well we have already started that trend recently, with Smid being our only euro who was taken high in the draft.

I guess it's OK to want to play with your brother but it's not OK to want to play with your bestfriendforever?

This is the last time I'm gonna give my opinion about this..

Kariya is hated here because he left a team that just went 7 games in the Stanley cup finals to join a contender?? What the hell? :dunno:

Yeah he wanted to play with his but buddy Selanne, but our GM made it clear that he wanted both selanne and Kariya back that year.

So the logic doesn't make since to me. He left a team that went 7 games in the finals to join a contender? Seriously isn't one game away from champions contender material?? :dunno:

Well we have already started that trend recently, with Smid being our only euro who was taken high in the draft.

After the August 15th purge of overage players, Anaheim will have an immensely small number of European prospects:
Smid, Korsunov, Alen, Mantymaa, Pesonen and Pohanka

So the Ducks made him an UNRESTRICTED free agent.

I think that means he is then free to sign with whomever he wants.

haha yeah thats what UFA means.

So the Ducks made him an UNRESTRICTED free agent.

I think that means he is then free to sign with whomever he wants.

Dude, just quit while you're ahead.

hmm.. Is every russian going back home? :dunno:

Datsyuk,Malkin,Chistov.. :shakehead


Um... Malkin was never over here.

How can management not be blamed here? They drafted Smirnov so they are to blamed for not seeing that this kid wouldn't pan out. Then they rushed him, along with Chistov.

Questionable work ethic is something that scouts need to see, it is their job to see this from the get go. Either way it goes back to what management does with these guys.
I think we're mostly talking semantics. Yes, management can be blamed for picking someone with questionable work ethic. But I don't think "rushing him along" or not "rushing him along" would have made a difference. I think he was destined for suckdom no matter what.

Chistov...the way he was rushed along may have made an impact...but the truly great players can overcome those deficencies.

I think we're mostly talking semantics. Yes, management can be blamed for picking someone with questionable work ethic. But I don't think "rushing him along" or not "rushing him along" would have made a difference. I think he was destined for suckdom no matter what.



I agree we could argue this forever. My point is just I feel they handled those two horribly. But I am one of the few guys that doesn't like rushing kids along on this board. 90% of people here want to see Getzlaf and/or Perry starting the season in Anaheim, I just think that is flirting with disaster.

It's all a matter of how you think these kids should be played.

I agree we could argue this forever. My point is just I feel they handled those two horribly. But I am one of the few guys that doesn't like rushing kids along on this board. 90% of people here want to see Getzlaf and/or Perry starting the season in Anaheim, I just think that is flirting with disaster.

It's all a matter of how you think these kids should be played.
Well, I think that kids should not be rushed along. There's something to be said for letting them earn their way into the NHL, and spend time in the minors.

Having said that, there are some kids who can play in the big leagues from the get go. But I think that is an extremely rare exception.

Another sport, but Magic Johnson was ready to play in the NBA from day 1. I don't think Mario Lemieux needed much time in the minors. But I think those exceptions are much more rare than actually occurs in reality.

Well I think the point is mute because Burke has already said he'd like to sign enough bodies so that the kids "can stay together".

Unless one of the group incredibly impresses carlyle, i really doubt they will rush any of them.

My point being made (somewhat sarcastically I will admit) is that if you want to retain a player you do not make him an unrestricted free agent. I thought was pretty obvious.

Kariya at $10 million was a huge overpayment, and he even agreed that it was best for the organization to have him sign for a bit less, and free up some money for a Selanne return. One could make a case that out of Bryan Murray's many great moves as Anaheim GM, and there are quite a few, that not qualifying Paul was definetely the best.

Dude, just quit while you're ahead.
My point being made (somewhat sarcastically I will admit) is that if you want to retain a player you do not make him an unrestricted free agent. I thought was pretty obvious.

So the Ducks made him an UNRESTRICTED free agent.

I think that means he is then free to sign with whomever he wants.
There was alledgedly a handshake deal, which kariya broke. That is why your boy brian burke was so outspoken about it, and why bryan murray was so pissed off.

My point being made (somewhat sarcastically I will admit) is that if you want to retain a player you do not make him an unrestricted free agent. I thought was pretty obvious.

But you miss the point that Ducks had just 2 options: make him an UFA by not qualifying him or giving him the 10M deal. It's not like Ducks WANTED to make him an UFA, he forced Ducks to do that by refusing a smaller, longer deal offered by Murray.

Here's an article from the LATimes on Chistov playing in Russia this season:http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ducks16aug16,1,3357227.story
"I have not given up on Stanislav Chistov," said Burke, who became general manager in June. "He had great promise when he arrived in the league. For one reason or another, it has not worked out for him until this time.

We will watch him this year and watch his progress."

Chistov, who had only two goals and 18 points with the Ducks in 2003-04, played in Cincinnati last season during the lockout and totaled 15 goals and 23 assists. He will spend this year with Magnitogorsk Metallurg of the Russian Hockey League.

"A guy like that has got to play among your top six forwards," said Burke, who scouted him in Cincinnati. "I've not given up hope that this player will help us someday."

The article also says that Pahlsson did not accept his qualifying offer of $459,800.

Also, the Ducks have permission to postpone Salei's deadline to accept his qualifying offer of $1.8 million to try and sign him to a long term deal.

The moves leave the Ducks with a little less than $4 million under the salary cap. Burke said he would like to be at about $37 million in payroll — $2 million below the cap — when the season begins and left open the possibility that he will make a trade to free up more money.

Here's an article from the LATimes on Chistov playing in Russia this season:http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ducks16aug16,1,3357227.story


The article also says that Pahlsson did not accept his qualifying offer of $459,800.

Also, the Ducks have permission to postpone Salei's deadline to accept his qualifying offer of $1.8 million to try and sign him to a long term deal.


so does this mean Sammy is gone? Is he a UFA now?

so does this mean Sammy is gone? Is he a UFA now?
No, because we gave him a QO. He's just not signed but we keep his rights.

My point being made (somewhat sarcastically I will admit) is that if you want to retain a player you do not make him an unrestricted free agent. I thought was pretty obvious.

This isn't an argument you can win. You obviously don't know the whole story, it isn't one of your points to argue like the CBA or Burke that you can copy and paste like crazy to prove a point.

As for Chistov, I really hope this kid can gain some confidence to come back and play like he did his rookie season. The talent is clearly there, he just needs to get it together in his head.

This isn't an argument you can win. You obviously don't know the whole story, it isn't one of your points to argue like the CBA or Burke that you can copy and paste like crazy to prove a point.
It is not difficult to understand. If you want to retain the rights to a player then you do it under the CBA rules then in force. The team knew the rules going in. They gambled and lost the player.

The fact remains it was the Ducks who made Kariya UFA. Not hard to grasp. Them's the rules.

No, because we gave him a QO. He's just not signed but we keep his rights.

THere was no reason for Pahlsson to accept the QO. The Ducks are lowballing him and he knows it. The worst he can make in the NHL is 450k so that's like 9k less than his QO.

I swear, every article where Burke is talking he makes one comment that reminds me that he's an a-hole. The one in the Times article linked above is this one about Samuel Pahlsson.

"I want him back but I'm not jumping off a bridge if he doesn't come back," Burke said.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ducks16aug16,1,3357227.story

I'm not trying to troll or anything, I've hated this guy since well before he became the Ducks GM. The I'd drive Trent Klatt to the airport line in Vancouver is another example of another comment about a player that just makes Burke look like a donkey. I'm sure he thinks his act is funny and I'm sure some people do find it funny. I'd rather have the GM and public face of my organization act with class and dignity rather than looking like an arrogant jerk. For the record I think Leiweke can act like an a-hole too but thankfully he's usually too busy doing other jobs for Anschutz that he's hardly asked about the Kings unless it's specifically at a Kings function. Mason and Ireland spend their time suggesting 10 cent beer nights and Joe McDonnell and the guy that used to be on with him usually would ask Leiweke about boxing.

It is not difficult to understand. If you want to retain the rights to a player then you do it under the CBA rules then in force. The team knew the rules going in. They gambled and lost the player.

The fact remains it was the Ducks who made Kariya UFA. Not hard to grasp. Them's the rules.

Everyone here knows the rules about not qualifying players. The fact remains you clearly don't know the backstory of what happened between Kariya and the organization which is why you won't win this argument.

Everyone here knows the rules about not qualifying players. The fact remains you clearly don't know the backstory of what happened between Kariya and the organization which is why you won't win this argument.

:deadhorse

Lets move on.

Everyone here knows the rules about not qualifying players. The fact remains you clearly don't know the backstory of what happened between Kariya and the organization which is why you won't win this argument.
Sure I do. It was well-reported at the time.

Sure I do. It was well-reported at the time.

Hell you don't, technically Ducks made Kariya an UFA but in practice Kariya forced Ducks to do it.

Btw, I'm glad Burke stays tough with Pahlsson, when your career high is 8g with averaging 17mins per game, you don't have much room to negotiate no matter how good you're defensively.

Btw, I'm glad Burke stays tough with Pahlsson, when your career high is 8g with averaging 17mins per game, you don't have much room to negotiate no matter how good you're defensively.

Agreed. Give Pahlsson a take it or leave it offer at 500,000. He accepts it fine if not he is off to Sweden and Ryan Getzlaf has the chance to earn the third line center spot at training camp.

So, realisticly... what are Chistov's chances of coming back to the NHL?

So, realisticly... what are Chistov's chances of coming back to the NHL?

This season?
Pretty much nil, unless he is crazy good or gets traded to someone who really wants him in the lineup.
Next season?
Depends a lot on how he does in Russia. This is a kid who didn't even produce at the AHL level when he was supposed to be lighting it up. If he doesn't step up, then he could be over there indefinitely.