9/27 game - is anyone listening?

Does anyone have any type of link to the game or is anyone listening that can post?

Jori, my love, where are you??????

Jori, my love, where are you??????

Time to work :lol:

I'll post lines as I hear them; Foote and Blake are not playing tonight.

LA has had the early pressure. I can confirm the Tanguay/Forsberg/Hejduk line is together.

Willsie, Cummins and McCormick are also forming a line.

Goaltending matchup is Aebischer v. Cechmanek.

No Sakic, Kariya and Selanne tonight.

Looks like another line is Battaglia/Aubin/Worrell

The other line must consist of Svatos, Hinote and Hahl.

So...

Tanguay/Forsberg/Hejduk
Svatos/Hahl/Hinote
Battaglia/Aubin/Worrell
Willsie/McCormick/Cummins

Forsberg gets a double minor for roughing. Avery also gets a minor penalty...LA goes on the PP. They have controlled the play thus far.

Double minor for Forsberg with Avery?! Avery is an angle.

Same officiating crew the Avs drew 10 penalties with against SJ.

No Sakic, Kariya and Selanne tonight.

Looks like another line is Battaglia/Aubin/Worrell

The other line must consist of Svatos, Hinote and Hahl.

So...

Tanguay/Forsberg/Hejduk
Svatos/Hahl/Hinote
Battaglia/Aubin/Worrell
Willsie/McCormick/Aubin

Forsberg gets a double minor for roughing. Avery also gets a minor penalty...LA goes on the PP. They have controlled the play thus far.

This is the game when Liles, McAllister and DJ Smith win a job.

It's also an obvious battle with Willsie, McCormick and Aubin.

though you have Aubin on the 3rd and 4th...

McCormick takes a penalty, cross-checking.

though you have Aubin on the 3rd and 4th...


I fixed it, Cummins is playing on the 4th line.

This is the game when Liles, McAllister and DJ Smith win a job.

It's also an obvious battle with Willsie, McCormick and Aubin.

Thanks, Jori - glad to see you are Dario are covering for us.

I've got believe tonight is where 5 forwards are battling for 2 positions, barring keeping McAllister and/or Smith as swing guys. I just don't believe the AVS will go into the season with 5 real D and 2 guys who fill spots. The only issue that would keep me, as coach (or G.M.) from keeping Liles at this point would be one-way versus two-way contracts. Is that worth playing Smith/McAllister as D instead of Liles?

Cool Jori!

Abby is keeping the Avs in it. Getting outshot, been on the pk obviously.

Avs kill the penalty. Aebi has had to be sharp early as LA has controlled the game thus far.

Its not worth playing DJ Smith over anybody.

Anybody have a lineup for the Kings tonight. Yahoo! and NHL.com are a bit slow this evening and the Avs website didn't even bother.

So there are three players left to demote??

And it is between Aubin, Liles, McCormick, Smith, Svatos and Willsie??

Avs finally get a chance. Forsberg with a wraparound move on the backhand. Save by Monic.

McAllister gets in a fight with Redden, They immediately fell to the ice. Nothing to report.

Avery draws another penalty. Smith in the box. ANOTHER penalty on the Avs. This is out of control.

Avery has really gotten under the skin of the Avs tonight....first Forsberg and now DJ Smith has fell victim as he heads to the box.

Avery gets tied up with DJ Smith behind the play. Smith takes the penalty. Avery keeps skating around the play and yapping. Morris goes after him and is stopped, then Hinote gets in a wrestling match with him and they broke to commercial.

DJ Smith gets a double minor. Dan Hinote and Derek Morris are also in the box.

LA ended up with a four minute PP. Details on the penalties will be provided as informed.

Still only 5 on 4, not sure how the penalties played out. Abby is the only one keeping the Avs in this right now.

can't find a lineup anywhere on the Kings site, either.

Sorry

Smith--double minor for roughing
Morris-10 minute misconduct
Hinote-5 for fighting

Avery-5 for fighting--10 minute misconduct....

With less than a minute remaining on the double minor, Frolov is called for goalie interference. It doesn't stop here....Aebi gets called for the retaliation. So the Avs penalty killers don't get a break.

Forsberg with a drop pass to Hejduk, save Monic.


FINALLY the Avs off the pk.

0-0

Smith out of the box, teams at even-strength. LA is 0-4 on the PP, Aebischer has kept Colorado in this game.

Wow the Avs get to go on the PP :handclap: :joker:

Flinn in the box.

These refs are brutal. Another penalty now on the Kings. Man, these guys are whistle happy two games in a row.

Too good to be true...too many men on the ice for Colorado :joker:

Worrell on the powerplay! HA! :D


Refs blow the whistle again. Too many men on the ice Avalanche. This is sad now.

this sounds like a badly officiated high school game!!!

McCormick getting lots of PK, so it seems is Battaglia.

Avs kill it off....LA already has 20 shots in the game.

What LA takes a penalty...I can't believe this :D

Avs get their second pp opportunity :joker:

five penalties killed by the Avs in the first period.

ANOTHER penalty. Swallow the damn whistle Shane Hires(spelling?)

LET

THEM

PLAY.

Liles makes a head man pass to break out Worrell on a slap shot that's saved by Monic.

An UGLY period of hockey penalty wise.

And that ends the first period of action. The Avs will have some PP time to start the second period. LA outshot Colorado 20-7. LA 0-5 on the PP, so far Colorado is 0-1.

Correction. 21 shots against Colorado. We are about underway in the second.

wow, sounds brutal, jsut got back from work to check this out...

This is televised for you guys is it not??

Worrell lays on a monster hit. Gets a penalty.

Worrell takes a penalty....

I'll be in and out because I'm going to be away from the computer for a while.

Kings score on a rebound. Power play goal.

Robitide scored the goal.

Hey, guess what Kings just got called for a penalty. Avs on the PP.

Morris went to take a hit on Belange, he got the stick up and Morris is shaken. Avalanch on a 5-3. Morris skating slowly...

Morris still on the ice. After a time out the Avs on the PP.

Kings kill off 2 man advantage. Only one good shot on the two man. Not much on the 5-4.

Back to the even strength.

shots are 29 to 9 kings.

Avalanche called for another penalty, Aubin in the box. 7 penalties on the Avalanche with 14 minutes still left in the second period. Refs are going to wear out their whistles.

i think it is a little ridiculous that every game the Avs are taking 5 - 10 penalties and being outshot significantly. i know I'm making something out of nothing, but hopefully Granato works on this.....

Abby making great saves. Just stole a goal according to the broadcast crew. Still on the pk.

Avs kill off the penalty.

Half way through regulation now.

Time out. Couple chances by Bates and Wilsie. Was off on the shots before, it's now 28 shots to 14 Kings.

Forsberg is getting the usual Kings treatment. He retaliated, Forsberg's in the box. Four on four, Belangie in the box as well.

Kid line out... McCormick GETS A PENALTY SHOT...pulled down on a break away.


HE SCORE!!!!!!!SSSEDKLFJSL:DKJFSL:DJKFSLDKJFSDF

McCormick is getting a chance at a PS!!!

CODY SCORES!!!!!!! GAME TIED AT ONE!!!!

McCormick went in, deked monic to the backhand and went top shelf. "Goal Scorers goal". The kid gets the Avs on the Scoreboard.

Forsberg sounds ticked off. Holland gets a penalty going against Forsberg behind the net, was getting hammered. Hinote cruised in after the whistle to talk things over with the Kings :)

Avs on the PP, game tied at 1.

:yo: :yo:

is monic supposed to be Cechmanek...?

McCormick just officially won himself a spot on the Avs roster

Yeah, Monic is Cechmanek :)

Nothing productive on the PP. Kings have got a couple of two on ones... they are gaining some momentum...

Second period over. Game tied at 1.

Shots: 31 for Kings, 15 for the Avalanche.

I'm guessing McCormick gets the interview at intermission 8D

How do the defensemen sound? Liles, McAllister and Smith? Or is it too tough to tell with all the penalties?

How do the defensemen sound? Liles, McAllister and Smith? Or is it too tough to tell with all the penalties?

Tough to tell. Liles is getting a literal ton of ice time.

:yo: :yo:

is monic supposed to be Cechmanek...?

McCormick just officially won himself a spot on the Avs roster

Because he scored a goal in a preseason game?

I doubt it.

Kings buzzing in the Avalanche zone. Several wraparound chances on Abby.

Svatos breakaway chance...PENALTY SHOT!!

svatos getting a penalty shot

Svatos from center ice.... the kids in the spot light....


Moving right to left.... right handed shot....

Skating slowly at center ice.....



HERE HE COMES!!!!

Gloved by Monic, no goal.

Svatos from center ice.... the kids in the spot light....


Moving right to left.... right handed shot....

Skating slowly at center ice.....



HERE HE COMES!!!!

Gloved by Monic, no goal.

I like to get myself worked up ;)

Because he scored a goal in a preseason game?

I doubt it.
:rolleyes: They have to cut somone, and him being here this long shows that Granato is giving him a long look. This might put him over the edge.

I like to get myself worked up ;)

was it a good save or bad shot, or just a mediocre shot/save.

Abby stealing the show, making big saves left and right.

was it a good save or bad shot, or just a mediocre shot/save.

He didn't deke him at all and Monic stayed tall. Made it look relatively easy. Svatos shoots like Sakic and I'm guessing he tried to rifle a top shelf shot and didn't get it all.

DJ Smith got the stick up on a check in the corner.

Kings back on the power play.... Bleh.

So what's the total up to now?

Avs kill the penalty. I think that was 8 power plays for LA.

Avs kill the penalty. I think that was 8 power plays for LA.

thats ridiculous, its not even the third period...

shot clock in LA claims 45 shots for LA and 18 for Colorado.


Kings score. Belange redirected a shot off Abby.

Penalty in Kings. Monic for clearing it over the glass.

2-1 Kings.

just to correct your spelling of names dario...

robitaille not robitide
willsie not wilsie
belanger nor belange

avs pp coming up

just to correct your spelling of names dario...

robitaille not robitide
willsie not wilsie
belanger nor belange

avs pp coming up

Thanks, if you want my postings expect a lot of misspellings.

Forsberg dropped his gloves against Avery. Bates pulled Avery away from Forsberg.

First time Forsberg has EVER dropped gloves that I've heard of.

figures, avery's been running forsberg all night like the typical cheap POS he is.

Give Avery credit, he has really gotten Forsberg off his game tonight. Peter hasn't been a factor.

Keep posting Dario, I'll take the misspellings!!

I think the Avalanche are getting just a little ticked off with all this stuff, especially because it's preseason. Lappy just pushed Worrell and skated away when Worrell skated after him.

With Smith, McAllister and Worrell in the lineup I wouldn't be suprised if things got nasty very soon. Murray had best start giving some orders out there because it sounds like he has the orders against Forsberg.

Bates kicked out of the game for interfearing in the fight. Forsberg 5 for fighting, 10 game misconduct. Avery gets 5 and 10. Smith gets 2 for roughing, Lappy gets 2 for something. After all that it's all even and Bates is kicked from the game.

I think the Avalanche are getting just a little ticked off with all this stuff, especially because it's preseason. Lappy just pushed Worrell and skated away when Worrell skated after him.

With Smith, McAllister and Worrell in the lineup I wouldn't be suprised if things got nasty very soon. Murray had best start giving some orders out there because it sounds like he has the orders against Forsberg.

Bates kicked out of the game for interfearing in the fight. Forsberg 5 for fighting, 10 game misconduct. Avery gets 5 and 10. Smith gets 2 for roughing, Lappy gets 2 for something. After all that it's all even and Bates is kicked from the game.

ridiculous.......

I think the Avalanche are getting just a little ticked off with all this stuff, especially because it's preseason. Lappy just pushed Worrell and skated away when Worrell skated after him.

With Smith, McAllister and Worrell in the lineup I wouldn't be suprised if things got nasty very soon. Murray had best start giving some orders out there because it sounds like he has the orders against Forsberg.

Bates kicked out of the game for interfearing in the fight. Forsberg 5 for fighting, 10 game misconduct. Avery gets 5 and 10. Smith gets 2 for roughing, Lappy gets 2 for something. After all that it's all even and Bates is kicked from the game.

By against Forsberg, I mean the mugging technique we've seen in the past. In the preseason it makes little sense to me.

Kings are closing in on 50 shots for the night.

I don't see how you can get on LA's case for going after Forsberg; a smart team would try to take him out of his game. Now Colorado's best offensive player is gone. Peter has to be accountable for his part.

By against Forsberg, I mean the mugging technique we've seen in the past. In the preseason it makes little sense to me.

Kings are closing in on 50 shots for the night.


OK, I think the really crappy thing about this sort of thing in the preseason is that the Avs aren't even playing Blake, Foote, or the STP line. So they can totally focus on Forsberg line....


Aubin with a penalty. Kings on the PP.

Belanger and Worrell get matching penalties for pushing. Belanger was making fun of Worrell by stumbling and Worrell took exception.

my god, the refs need to pretend that those whistles are a big fat c*** and swallow it like they're used to. this is absolutely rediculous. there is NO reason to call every bump or every tap a penalty. hope like no other that these 2 boneheads NEVER ref a game together in the regular season.

Armstrong scores, that should wrap it up. Can't fault Aebi, otherwise this game would really have been ugly. Ugly game for Colorado as a whole, fortunately its preseason.

I don't see how you can get on LA's case for going after Forsberg; a smart team would try to take him out of his game. Now Colorado's best offensive player is gone. Peter has to be accountable for his part.


I got a problem with thug tactics in a preseason environment. I got no problem with Avery trying to get Forsberg off his game. I do have a problem with the other physical stuff that's being reported. I see the other side of the arguement but do you run a goaltender in the preseason? I don't think so. I can see why a guy like Avery would do anything they possibly could to win a position on the club however.

Well that was as ugly as it gets.

So how many actual fights?

Or were teams just taking runs at each other?

I'm actually surprised by this. I'm not sure if we've really built a heated rivalry w/ the Kings or not...I certainly wouldn't think so...maybe with the Nucks or Wild, but hmm...

So how many actual fights?

Or were teams just taking runs at each other?

I'm actually surprised by this. I'm not sure if we've really built a heated rivalry w/ the Kings or not...I certainly wouldn't think so...maybe with the Nucks or Wild, but hmm...

None really, just wrestling matches. Avalanche were on their heals the entire game really. There was a bit of a scrum at the end of the contest but was seperated quickly. Sure doesn't seem that there's any love lost between these teams. Hockey players have pretty long memories too.

When did Avery run the goaltender? I believe it was Frolov who got the interference call and I don't think many would accuse him of gooning it up. Maybe we were listening to a different game. I can't see where you can call fault with Avery when we know that at times Forsberg can be very gullible and allow himself to be drawn into such distractions. Forsberg initiates as much as he takes. Avery as far as I can tell did his job as an agitator in this game. We can accuse the refs of not letting them play, but at some point you have to point the finger at the players.

McAllister gets in a fight with Redden, They immediately fell to the ice. Nothing to report.

I'm sure your ears deceive you, Dario. Most likely was Kip Brennan, which probably sounds like Redden with the Avs announcing crew.

This is televised for you guys is it not??

The Avs never, ever ever ever, televise preseason games.




As for the mugging of Forsberg, I know the Kings played him tough with Avery and Laperriere on the same line the last time they played in the regular season. Knowing how Forsberg is, I think it's pretty over-the-top to say he's being mugged or ran at based on the Avs radio call. Have you ever known the Avs radio call to see Forsberg objectively? Same theory as having the Avs TV broadcasters watch countless replays of him crosschecking Chara in retaliation and then complain that he gets a penalty because they don't want to see what Forsberg does. Ditto his spear on Hatcher. I'm sure Avery has been aggravating him to no end, but I hate it when people start calling it a mugging or thuggery. It's that much worse when based on a radio call. I would never be so confident in somebody else's eyesight as to state things as fact based on someone else's call of the game. It likely was not as big a deal as the Haynes-Jones made it sound like. Not to suggest it's minor either, but I would think the reality lies somewhere in between.

OK, so who are the final 3 cuts, in your opinion(s)?

After tonight's game if DJ Smith isn't gone, somebody needs to smack Granato upside the head. The three rookies fighting for a spot (outside of Sauve) continue to impress, its going to be tough for the coaching staff to make a decision. You would still think they would probably cut Svatos and McCormick, but they are making it very difficult.

No, I used running the goaltender as an example of going over the line in preseason. Just pointing out that it is different and that there is a line. Avery did his job. I understand Peter's issues with that distraction. Forsberg was getting tied up behind the play, was getting the double penalties from retaliating and drew a penalty because of a hard and high hit. If any of this is historically accurate with what I've seen from the Kings in the past then I know exactly how they played Forsberg. I'm suprised they would employ it in a preseason game. Nothing stopping them, I just find it frustrating. I guess because it works.

i still hold out that Svatos will be playing 3rd line this year.

Forsberg dropped his gloves against Avery. Bates pulled Avery away from Forsberg.

First time Forsberg has EVER dropped gloves that I've heard of.

What will happen next? Foppa dropping the gloves?

Wow.

So how many actual fights?

Or were teams just taking runs at each other?

I'm actually surprised by this. I'm not sure if we've really built a heated rivalry w/ the Kings or not...I certainly wouldn't think so...maybe with the Nucks or Wild, but hmm...

I was at the game in Vegas last year and from what I gathered by talking to Kings fans, they view this as a very heated rivalry. I still don't see it that way though. In think our top three rivalries are DET, VAN, DAL in that order.

<b>Game Summary</b>

<i>Scoring</i>

Period 1

None

Period 2

LA 2:56 Luc Robitaille 3 (power play) (Derek Armstrong, Mattias Norstrom)
COL 15:35 Cody McCormick 1 (penalty shot)

Period 3

LA 9:12 Eric Belanger 1 (Sean Avery, Mattias Norstrom)
LA 16:49 Derek Armstrong 1 (power play) (Luc Robitaille, Trent Klatt)

<i>Power Play</i>

LA 2-8
COL 0-6

<i>Shots</i>

LA 46-21

<i>Goaltenders</i>

Cechmanek 20-21
Aebischer 43-46

<i>Up next</i>

The Avs return to action on Thursday night against the Stars. It's possible the final roster may be set before that game.

OK, so who are the final 3 cuts, in your opinion(s)?

how can you NOT cut willsie? he has shown absoultely NOTHING this preseason. he's as good as gone. smith as well. so that leaves us with aubin, cummins, and mccormick(yes, i AM saying FOR SURE that svatos has a spot based on his play)for the last cut. mccormick made it hard for them tonight by scoring on that penalty shot. they might jsut keep 24 around for the next game and then cut someone for the last game.

get me out of this town!!
i can't belive i drove 11 hours to watch a WWF match
what is it about this town that brings out the evil in people
Kings fans are bitter even win they win
is there anyone out there that
went to the game that has real computer
this web tv thing suck
unbelivable game
get me out of here!!!!!!1ut of here!!!!!!1

Reading a short summary, COL accumulated 83 penalty minutes in total...yeesh! I can't remember the last time the Avs were so...

Oh yea, that was Forsberg's 1st career fighting major too

get me out of this town!!
i can't belive i drove 11 hours to watch a WWF match
what is it about this town that brings out the evil in people
Kings fans are bitter even win they win
is there anyone out there that
went to the game that has real computer
this web tv thing suck
unbelivable game
get me out of here!!!!!!1ut of here!!!!!!1

Don't worry cazzy....Vegas doesn't make the LA fans act like that...LA fans ALWAYS act like that. They can't win without rubbing it in your face.

They sure were cocky.....let's see: we were minus Sakic, Kariya, Selanne, Blake, Foote, & Niko. Hmmm...how many goals should I add to the Avs total for tonight if they played? hehe ;)

get me out of this town!!
i can't belive i drove 11 hours to watch a WWF match
what is it about this town that brings out the evil in people
Kings fans are bitter even win they win
is there anyone out there that
went to the game that has real computer
this web tv thing suck
unbelivable game
get me out of here!!!!!!1ut of here!!!!!!1

Hehe, this stuff seems to come straight out of a science fiction movie!!

Don't worry cazzy....Vegas doesn't make the LA fans act like that...LA fans ALWAYS act like that. They can't win without rubbing it in your face.


Huh?
I beg your pardon :confused: ?






















3-1 !! :yo: :lol: :joker:
;)

I think the Avs will make their final cuts before Thursday's game. Popular opinion is that Granato wants to use the last two preseason games as a tune-up for the regular season with the 23 man roster.

Is Granato going to give some of the youngsters a chance? In my opinion DJ Smith and Willsie should be two of the three cuts. Still its hard to fathom this team starting with three or four rookies on the roster. My guess is that the final cuts will be Smith, McCormick, and Svatos. I don't know how you can keep Smith up when he will only play 2-3 minutes a game. I think Liles can handle more quality minutes and wont take as many idiotic penalties and actually has NHL calibur talent. We shall see.

Hershey training camp stats today I think (meetings, physicals). So cuts might be done earlier rather then later.

I think the Avs will make their final cuts before Thursday's game. Popular opinion is that Granato wants to use the last two preseason games as a tune-up for the regular season with the 23 man roster.

Is Granato going to give some of the youngsters a chance? In my opinion DJ Smith and Willsie should be two of the three cuts. Still its hard to fathom this team starting with three or four rookies on the roster. My guess is that the final cuts will be Smith, McCormick, and Svatos. I don't know how you can keep Smith up when he will only play 2-3 minutes a game. I think Liles can handle more quality minutes and wont take as many idiotic penalties and actually has NHL calibur talent. We shall see.

I have to agree, I think they like McCormick, but he could benefit from more ice time and experience on the AHL level. Same with Svatos, he only has 30 games of AHL experience, so I don't think it would be beneficial to him to only play a handful of minutes on the Avs third line with no power play time.

You may want to watch out for Willsie getting cut though, he really doesn't offer much and hasn't exactly impressed this preseason. He doesn't have much of a physical presence, and I think that is what Granato and Tochett are looking for with their third and fourth line players.

Aubin hasn't been all that impressive either, although he has been injured, I'm not sure Granato is a big fan of Aubin. Granato benched him quite a bit down the stretch of last season and for most of the playoff games, which doesn't appear to be a good sign. The other players that were the subject of Granato benchings down the stretch and in the playoffs last season were purged from teh roster (e.g. Keane, Messier, Parker).

I think it is possible you will see either Willsie or Aubin cut, and Smith may remain as a 7th defensemen.

The positive is that it appears that the Avs are planning on using Liles as their 6th defensemen as opposed to either McAllister or Smith, which is a huge positive. Anyways, I am at least hopeful that is the case, and that Liles is a regular in the lineup, otherwise I'm not sure what Granato has been doing with his defensive corp int he preseason. McAllister and Smith have put in more time at forward than defense.

I also think that Cummins will make the team, particularly after last night's game. If Granato is intent on having Liles in the lineup, he will want to have Cummins in the lineup as a middeweight compliment to Peter Worrell. That allows Granato to keep two tough guys in the lineup.

In the end I suspect you will see:

Forwards-

Forsberg
Tanguay
Hejduk
Sakic
Kariya
Selanne
Nikolishin
Battaglia
Hinote
Hahl
Worrell
Aubin/Cummins

D-men-

Blake
Foote
Morris
Skoula
Skrastins
Liles


Goalies-

Aebischer
Sauve

Extras-

Smith (as 7th or 8th defensemen)
McAllister (As backup enforcer to Worrell and as 7th or 8th defensemen)

Good points Goulet. I would probably lean towards Smith, Willsie and Aubin being cut myself. I pretty much agree with your lineup and as Dario mentioned, with Bears camp on the way, we could know what the final roster will be by today.

I don't see how you can get on LA's case for going after Forsberg; a smart team would try to take him out of his game. Now Colorado's best offensive player is gone. Peter has to be accountable for his part.

I think that is the legitimate concern as always. Can he keep his composure with the thuggery tactics used by other teams? I become upset when I see the Avs getting "mugged" out on the ice, but you know what, we better all get used to it.

It is not a big secret that when teams face the Avs this season and they see all the skill and talent they possess, they are going to target them physically and see if they can get them off their game. I don't have any great love for either Avery or Lapperriere when the Avs play the Kings, but you have to admire them for the effectiveness of their game. They are executing to perfection a game plan that the Avs better be prepared to face throughout the season.

If the preseason is any indication, the Avs may be in some trouble in facing the "mugging" tactics of other teams. Forsberg has always been volatile and has a tendency to lose his composure on the ice, and teams are going to hack and whack him from the opening whistle hoping they can get him off his game. Because guess what, it is a tactic that has proven success against Forsberg in the past.

But the Avs top-six forwards are all going to face physical tactics in games, it will be interesting to see how they overcome such strategies.

The fact is preseason or not, the Avs are taking a huge amount of penalties, and it isn't from the fringe types like McAllister, Smith, or Cummins. It is our big guns like Blake, Forsberg, and Foote racking up the minors. It appears that the team as a whole is lacking in discipline at times.

It is only preseason, so I will resist the temptation to overreact to the Avs play so far, but the fact remains in virtually every preseason game they have committed far to many penalties. The fact does remain however that preseason trends often carry over into the regular season.

We all know that the Avs are going to play a looser defensive system than most teams, but if they are also undisciplined and as a result playing short handed a good portion of the game, then teams will have successfully neutralized the Avs' skill advantages. It will also continue the trend of the team being badly outshot in games, which could prove disastrous over the long run.

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Forsberg dropped his gloves against Avery. Bates pulled Avery away from Forsberg.

First time Forsberg has EVER dropped gloves that I've heard of.
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What will happen next? Foppa dropping the gloves?
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Wow.

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That's what I was thinking....>insert the twilight zone theme music here<
I wonder if Foppa can actually fight a little. I know when I saw Blake drop 'em, I was shocked too. Maybe Foppa took some self defense or martial arts type training over the summer.

Of course, who can forget the Sakic/Gilmour fight in...what was it? 98 or 99? SuperJoe dropping the gloves is downright weird...even more weird than Foppa dropping them, IMO. I mean, Foppa gets po'd, so maybe you can expect him to finally snap and drop them, and promptly get pummeled. But Super? I mean, I don't know if I've ever really seen him look po'd.

I'm glad I didn't listen to the game last night...I woulda been spitting mad. :rant:

I am not good at watching/or listening to refs calling that type of game. I think this is a conspiracy by the refs to help other teams cope with the Avs firepower...keep the Avs shorthanded. ;)

Huh?
I beg your pardon :confused: ?

3-1 !! :yo: :lol: :joker:
;)

It must be nice to beat us in the preseason. I still prefer those wins in April and May myself.

Huh?
I beg your pardon :confused: ?
3-1 !! :yo: :lol: :joker:
;)

Ok, we'll see who's laughing when the REAL games begin. LA fans deserve to see the beating their team will recieve next season.

Svatos from center ice.... the kids in the spot light....


Moving right to left.... right handed shot....

Skating slowly at center ice.....



HERE HE COMES!!!!

Gloved by Monic, no goal.

If that was the call from the Avs Radio announcer that is the Worse Call I've ever heard. He came down and did the same thing is McCormick(Which Btw was not a goal scorers Goal. He went in and Shot high when he dropped the left shoulder) How Cechmanek gloved it was amazing because after he shot it the puck ended up the corner of the Rink. It clearly hit post. I thought most of the Penalties and the 2 Penalty shots were also good calls. Neither team was taking runs. Avery was just jawing with Forsberg and he must have said something that Forsberg didn't like. It ended up that Lappy started with Smith And about 2 seconds after that Avery and Forsberg went(Note if there is another fight in progress then the next fighters get automatic games misconducts) Well from what I saw Forsberg tried to fight. Avery I think was just toying with him for a while and when he started to throw punches(I think he got 2 in not really anything great but they connected) Battaglia then jumped in and that gave him 3rd man in and he got thrown out for that. Worrell towards the end of the game was with Forsberg and Hedjuk to make Avery Stop. And what happened is Worrell went off first and I believe Battaglia came on. Then the fights started so Worrell couldn't get back to stop anything. Which left Bates on the rink. Even though I am a Kings fan I believe all the Penalties to both teams were fair calls. I think both Refs handled the game as well as they could have.

Out of this game I think the only thing it showed was the effectiveness of the Laperriere Avery and Belanger line defensivly. Forsberg looked good and still had his chances and so did Hejduk and Tanguay. Someone will kill Avery by years end. I would not be surprised at all. Most of the Avs players that walked through the MGM seemed to be not receptive to anything. I was told Selanne and Kariya were really nice. All the Main Avs took the Backway into the Arena were all the Kings except Robitaille walked stright through the Casino.

In the Regular season The Kings Avs games will be intense. Most likely the team with home ice has the advantage due to line matchups Since Andy Murray lives by line match ups. Abischer(Sp) kept the score low.

Frolov stopped a little too late and did make contact with Abischer and the right call was made.

Liles made one play that I really liked and he created a scoring Chance basically all by his own with Patience. It really stuck out when he did it because he caught the Kings off guard.

Oh yeah and Cazzy most likely most of the Kings fans were drunk.

It must be nice to beat us in the preseason. I still prefer those wins in April and May myself.

Originally Posted by 1LS9
LA fans deserve to see the beating their team will recieve next season.

Wow, we're soon nettled..

If that was the call from the Avs Radio announcer that is the Worse Call I've ever heard. He came down and did the same thing is McCormick(Which Btw was not a goal scorers Goal. He went in and Shot high when he dropped the left shoulder) How Cechmanek gloved it was amazing because after he shot it the puck ended up the corner of the Rink. It clearly hit post. I thought most of the Penalties and the 2 Penalty shots were also good calls. Neither team was taking runs. Avery was just jawing with Forsberg and he must have said something that Forsberg didn't like. It ended up that Lappy started with Smith And about 2 seconds after that Avery and Forsberg went(Note if there is another fight in progress then the next fighters get automatic games misconducts) Well from what I saw Forsberg tried to fight. Avery I think was just toying with him for a while and when he started to throw punches(I think he got 2 in not really anything great but they connected) Battaglia then jumped in and that gave him 3rd man in and he got thrown out for that. Worrell towards the end of the game was with Forsberg and Hedjuk to make Avery Stop. And what happened is Worrell went off first and I believe Battaglia came on. Then the fights started so Worrell couldn't get back to stop anything. Which left Bates on the rink. Even though I am a Kings fan I believe all the Penalties to both teams were fair calls. I think both Refs handled the game as well as they could have.

Out of this game I think the only thing it showed was the effectiveness of the Laperriere Avery and Belanger line defensivly. Forsberg looked good and still had his chances and so did Hejduk and Tanguay. Someone will kill Avery by years end. I would not be surprised at all. Most of the Avs players that walked through the MGM seemed to be not receptive to anything. I was told Selanne and Kariya were really nice. All the Main Avs took the Backway into the Arena were all the Kings except Robitaille walked stright through the Casino.

In the Regular season The Kings Avs games will be intense. Most likely the team with home ice has the advantage due to line matchups Since Andy Murray lives by line match ups. Abischer(Sp) kept the score low.

Frolov stopped a little too late and did make contact with Abischer and the right call was made.

Liles made one play that I really liked and he created a scoring Chance basically all by his own with Patience. It really stuck out when he did it because he caught the Kings off guard.

Oh yeah and Cazzy most likely most of the Kings fans were drunk.

Questions for your Belanger25, since you are a Kings fan who attended the game, I was hoping to get your unbiased evaluations.

First off, was Aebischer as impressive as his shot total would indicate?

Secondly, how did Liles look to you overall (I noted that you made a remark regarding one play he made)?

The preseason games aren't televised for the Avs, so I haven't viewed Liles personally.

Questions for your Belanger25, since you are a Kings fan who attended the game, I was hoping to get your unbiased evaluations.

First off, was Aebischer as impressive as his shot total would indicate?

Secondly, how did Liles look to you overall (I noted that you made a remark regarding one play he made)?

The preseason games aren't televised for the Avs, so I haven't viewed Liles personally.

First Goal I missed because someone was going down the Isle and got in my way.

Second Abs Fault Belanger threw one of those weak backhanders and it his Abs Stick went in. 3rd Goal Kinda Broken it was on the PP. The puck hit something in front and He anticipated it going to Robitaille because in fact that was it's orginial destination so when it got through to Army he was out of position because where Luc was he woulda fired. So I don't think it was Abs fault either. The 2nd Goal was Poor. I think He played very well and deserved the number 3 star. Out of 46 Saves I estimate about 20 of them were really really good oppertunities and a lot he had to go cross crease and just got a hold of them. Then again the Kings held the puck in well on the PP and got a good amount of shots off.

Liles I think is a very good skater and I think he has good knowledge of the game. Didn't seem much to be caught. I didn't really notice him(I play hockey as true offense so I've never really noticed most of the Defensive Skills of the game unless a player completely screws up). Like Vishnovsky on both PS calls him and Strbak tried to much offense. And I didn't see any of that with Liles. I think he has good patience and didn't look that far out of whack during the play was going on. That one play that caught the Kings everyone expected a dump in and what ended up happening is he skated it towards the boards gained control gave to an offenseman then slid back to the point got the puck back then found a man in Deep who passed it to the front for a Point blank chance. If Cech doesn't block he he goes the Second assist and he caused the whole play.

I hope this helps

If that was the call from the Avs Radio announcer that is the Worse Call I've ever heard.

No it wasn't. They basically said the goaltender stayed tall, Svatos didn't deke but gave a quick top shelf shot that was gloved. As for McCormicks goal, I'm just repeating what was said.

No it wasn't. They basically said the goaltender stayed tall, Svatos didn't deke but gave a quick top shelf shot that was gloved. As for McCormicks goal, I'm just repeating what was said.

Cechmanek didn't get his glove on it, the puck hit either the post or the crossbar. I couldn't tell clearly from my vantage point. Would have loved to have seen both rookies beat him on the PS.

for what its worth, this wasnt the first time that Forsberg has dropped the gloves in the NHL.

March 26th, 1997. It was Larionov Dropping them with Forsberg, and Lemiuex skating over to the fight that started the brawl. Larionov was getting the best of Forsberg, which prompted CLaude to skate over, and subsequently turtle to McCarty.

part of me says way to go Abery. But the other part realizes thay if this was a regular season game, the Avs pay no attention to him, and Avery probably puts the kings short handed. Like he did so many times in Detroit.

but I still like the guy lol

for what its worth, this wasnt the first time that Forsberg has dropped the gloves in the NHL.

March 26th, 1997. It was Larionov Dropping them with Forsberg, and Lemiuex skating over to the fight that started the brawl. Larionov was getting the best of Forsberg, which prompted CLaude to skate over, and subsequently turtle to McCarty.

part of me says way to go Abery. But the other part realizes thay if this was a regular season game, the Avs pay no attention to him, and Avery probably puts the kings short handed. Like he did so many times in Detroit.

but I still like the guy lol

You're way off. Forsberg was on top of Larionov punching him in the face and everyone else was standing and watching. The refs are trying to seperate Forsberg and Larionov and then McCarty sucker punches Lemieux, he turtles, Roy skates to help Lemieux and Vernon meets him at center ice. Forsberg never got a fightig major for that scuffle, so the fight at the MGM would officialy be his first.

Cechmanek didn't get his glove on it, the puck hit either the post or the crossbar. I couldn't tell clearly from my vantage point. Would have loved to have seen both rookies beat him on the PS.

Ok I was gonna say that was horrible then if that is how the Avs raido announcer was.

I think both PS were Simple. And my opinion always has been on breakaways the Simpler the better. Svatos shoots 2 inches lower It's 2-1 Avs and the Game Probably Ends differently.

Avery thought actually waited for Forsberg to drop first Even thought it wasn't by much and made Forsberg take his Penalties first. The Double minor Forsberg got in the first. Forsberg kept punching him and Avery took it.

Ok I was gonna say that was horrible then if that is how the Avs raido announcer was.

I think both PS were Simple. And my opinion always has been on breakaways the Simpler the better. Svatos shoots 2 inches lower It's 2-1 Avs and the Game Probably Ends differently.

Avery thought actually waited for Forsberg to drop first Even thought it wasn't by much and made Forsberg take his Penalties first. The Double minor Forsberg got in the first. Forsberg kept punching him and Avery took it.

Agreed on both accounts. Svatos had him beat, and just missed with his shot. McCormick really impressed me with the patience he had. The kid made Cechmanek play his hand (pardon the pun) before he showed his.

Agreed on both accounts. Svatos had him beat, and just missed with his shot. McCormick really impressed me with the patience he had. The kid made Cechmanek play his hand (pardon the pun) before he showed his.

I think that was a good move by McCormick and my mom said to me. That looked too easy. He made just a simple little move. And I don't know why Cechmanek would end up going Down blocker side considering that McCormick is a right handed shot. It is too complicated to go Blocker side on a Breakaway up top. Down low which Cech bit at it easier but still it is more recognizable. Note counting any move to the Backhand. I've seen a lot worse on Penalty shots. Last year in the Preseason Frolov got pokechecked and Lehoux shot high and over the net.

Where to begin…..
Twelve hours of driving and one speeding ticket later and I’m still cranky about the game.

Mark this down in history because Polly-Anna cazzy is actually about to say something BAD about the Avs. I love the hard hits and fights in a game just like a lot of fans, but this WWF Smackdown in the desert was the responsibility of both coaches especially Granato. At one point in the game he had Worrell, McAllister, McCormick and Cummins out on the ice at the same time. I understand the anxiety behind wanting to make sure that your top two lines stay healthy all year and sending out a message but this is not the way to do it. And Murray was pulling the same thing. Why would he want to play Brennan, Avery and Flinn. Doesn’t he already know what these midnight beer league wanna-bes bring to the table? Meanwhile Dustin Brown and Noah Clarke are shmoozing in the VIP lounge. :dunno:
At least Granato was smart by not playing the STP line or Blake. I hope none of them were anywhere near the state of Nevada. Judging by what I witnessed, there’s no telling what any of the fans would have done if they saw Blake. I’m just glad there were metal detectors at the gates.
The whole Kings organization is just absolutely classless. From their fans, to the way they handle the whole Blake thing, down to the way their PA announcer mocked Peter Forsberg's name. I guess when Gretzky left he took all the classiness with him.

Even though the refs called a million penalties they did not have any control of this game at all. And what’s the deal with changing their mind on the delay of game penalty? The guy was in the box, the time was up on the scoreboard and then they changed their mind?? Cechmanek sent the puck over the glass and it did not hit anyone or anything on the way. Did they change this rule?

But the bottom line is the fact that Avery pulled the most despicable, cowardly, embarrassing, disgusting, pathetic thing there is to pull in hockey. As he and Forsberg were in the box yelling at each other Avery pointed at his stick and let Forsberg know that he was going to use it on him as soon as they got out. This is not a part of his job as an “agitator” this is just a cowardly act that doesn’t belong in hockey. This is no better than the guys who would say things to Theo Fleury about his past to get him off his game. I guess once and Red Wing always a Red Wing.

I don’t care about the three goals. Abby was amazing.

I agree with Jori on DJ Smith. However many penalties he wound up with, every one of them was a stupid one. He could have easily had two or three more but the refs either didn’t see them or just got tired of calling them.

Highlights of the trip were listening to a Kings fan complain about it being cold in the arena and seeing Ziggy heading back to his room looking like something the cat dragged in at 5:30in the morning just as I was leaving.

It may not sound like it but I had a great time. I try to follow the rookies as far as my little paycheck will take me and they did NOT disappoint. even in this crazy game. Getting to see two penalty shots by rookies and watching Liles continue his solid play was worth enduring everything else.

So the odometer on the Avs-head-mobile that I started at the beginning of my vacation reads 2,978. One trip to Vegas, a trip to Ft Collins, a trip to Vail and a butt load of trips to the practice facility. It’s time to go back to work. :cry: It’s been a great journey. Getting to meet some fellow HF-ers and getting to see all the amazing things in rookie camp, camp and preseason has made it the best vacation ever.

PS to any King fans that might be trolling. I won’t be reading any of your replies

PSS…I guess I’ll stoop to your level….

King-3 Avs-1 Ooooooooooo

Stanley Cups: Avs-2
Kings-zero

Where to begin…..
Twelve hours of driving and one speeding ticket later and I’m still cranky about the game.

Agreed with you on all accounts. Liles still looked great despite the lack of game flow. Neither coach was trying to hide the fact this was a fight, not a hockey game. And, those fans representing the franchise don't represent the rest of the hockey community very well.

There was an old woman behind me complaining about any Kings penalties. Everytime she did so, I made a very loud baby crying noise. The wife and I had great seats. About 15th row center ice behind the benches.

Oh, and that goalie problem we've had? There isn't one. Abby was freaking amazingly good. When did this happen? Looks like he's spent the offseason preparing for his new role.

Where to begin…..
Twelve hours of driving and one speeding ticket later and I’m still cranky about the game.

Mark this down in history because Polly-Anna cazzy is actually about to say something BAD about the Avs. I love the hard hits and fights in a game just like a lot of fans, but this WWF Smackdown in the desert was the responsibility of both coaches especially Granato. At one point in the game he had Worrell, McAllister, McCormick and Cummins out on the ice at the same time. I understand the anxiety behind wanting to make sure that your top two lines stay healthy all year and sending out a message but this is not the way to do it. And Murray was pulling the same thing. Why would he want to play Brennan, Avery and Flinn. Doesn’t he already know what these midnight beer league wanna-bes bring to the table? Meanwhile Dustin Brown and Noah Clarke are shmoozing in the VIP lounge. :dunno:
At least Granato was smart by not playing the STP line or Blake. I hope none of them were anywhere near the state of Nevada. Judging by what I witnessed, there’s no telling what any of the fans would have done if they saw Blake. I’m just glad there were metal detectors at the gates.
The whole Kings organization is just absolutely classless. From their fans, to the way they handle the whole Blake thing, down to the way their PA announcer mocked Peter Forsberg's name. I guess when Gretzky left he took all the classiness with him.

Even though the refs called a million penalties they did not have any control of this game at all. And what’s the deal with changing their mind on the delay of game penalty? The guy was in the box, the time was up on the scoreboard and then they changed their mind?? Cechmanek sent the puck over the glass and it did not hit anyone or anything on the way. Did they change this rule?

But the bottom line is the fact that Avery pulled the most despicable, cowardly, embarrassing, disgusting, pathetic thing there is to pull in hockey. As he and Forsberg were in the box yelling at each other Avery pointed at his stick and let Forsberg know that he was going to use it on him as soon as they got out. This is not a part of his job as an “agitator” this is just a cowardly act that doesn’t belong in hockey. This is no better than the guys who would say things to Theo Fleury about his past to get him off his game. I guess once and Red Wing always a Red Wing.

I don’t care about the three goals. Abby was amazing.

I agree with Jori on DJ Smith. However many penalties he wound up with, every one of them was a stupid one. He could have easily had two or three more but the refs either didn’t see them or just got tired of calling them.

Highlights of the trip were listening to a Kings fan complain about it being cold in the arena and seeing Ziggy heading back to his room looking like something the cat dragged in at 5:30in the morning just as I was leaving.

It may not sound like it but I had a great time. I try to follow the rookies as far as my little paycheck will take me and they did NOT disappoint. even in this crazy game. Getting to see two penalty shots by rookies and watching Liles continue his solid play was worth enduring everything else.

So the odometer on the Avs-head-mobile that I started at the beginning of my vacation reads 2,978. One trip to Vegas, a trip to Ft Collins, a trip to Vail and a butt load of trips to the practice facility. It’s time to go back to work. :cry: It’s been a great journey. Getting to meet some fellow HF-ers and getting to see all the amazing things in rookie camp, camp and preseason has made it the best vacation ever.

PS to any King fans that might be trolling. I won’t be reading any of your replies

PSS…I guess I’ll stoop to your level….

King-3 Avs-1 Ooooooooooo

Stanley Cups: Avs-2
Kings-zero

That sucks about the Speeding ticket. First off the PA Announcer is not the regular Kings PA Announcer. That was the PA announcer of the Los Angeles Dodgers. The Kings usual PA Announcer David Courtney also does the Anahiem Angels Games. And the Dodger PA announcer sucked I agree he didn't know anything. He was switching things all around.

The person complaining about it being cold in the Arena could be the stupidest thing I've heard. The game is played on Ice it isn't supposed to be warm. Stupid Kings fan.

Abby was amazing I agree there. He kept it close IMO.

First off I believe the Avs send their lineup to the Kings first so when Murray sees Cummins Worrell McAllister he has to put in Flinn and Brennan just in the case that someone starts something. So blame your own coach before you put any fault on the Kings. And Avery he has playing on the checking line and not as an enforcer. Think of it this way. If Worrell and Cummins sit then Brown probably gets in and only Flinn and or Brennan play. Murray actaully told Flinn not to fight tonight. And I heard that from Flinn himself.

As for this
"Even though the refs called a million penalties they did not have any control of this game at all. And what’s the deal with changing their mind on the delay of game penalty? The guy was in the box, the time was up on the scoreboard and then they changed their mind?? Cechmanek sent the puck over the glass and it did not hit anyone or anything on the way. Did they change this rule?"
You had to end up paying real close attention on that play or you totally miss what happened. It took me about 5 minutes to figure it out. If you notice on that play Smithson was given a Penalty before Cechmanek flipped the puck over the glass. So When Cechmanek touched the puck the play was blown dead. So considering Smithson had a penalty call against him Cechmanek handling the puck was control of the puck therefore that never happened. Right call by the Officails.

And last this bugs me right here.

The whole Kings organization is just absolutely classless. From their fans, to the way they handle the whole Blake thing, down to the way their PA announcer mocked Peter Forsberg's name. I guess when Gretzky left he took all the classiness with him.

How can you make a broad generlization about an organiztion that you only have seen or been around for 1 or 2 days max. Just what you see and hear on the TV can not make you say anything about another organization. Then could I say about the fans that all of them are stupid and are loud based on the 4 drunk Avalanche fans that wouldn't shut up about their offense yesterday(Yada Yada I know Sakic Kariya and Selanne didn't play) or could I say that basically you guys are all bandwagoners considering Colorado had a team in the 70's and they are now in New Jersey with 3 cups and you guys needed a transplant team from Quebec that was already loaded. No. I see people on this board and see there is knowledge. Look around and not just at 2 days. I saw Blake yesterday did I want to run and do something to him. No. I've met the man many times off the Ice and he is a very nice guy. The reason he is booed in LA was some of his conduct. He ripped the C of his chest in the preseason when he wasn't happy with a contract offer he was given. He had to be persuaded by Andy Murray to put the C back on his Chest. That and related that he said he was going to test the Free Agent market and then Resigned the night before didn't help him either. Robitaille left after the season is he getting Booed No he isn't Why. He didn't make any of his contract meetings public til he signed with Detroit and did he rip the A of his sweater. No he kept the A on. And I already covered about the PA Announcer.

Please Open your eyes first.

There was an old woman behind me complaining about any Kings penalties. Everytime she did so, I made a very loud baby crying noise. The wife and I had great seats. About 15th row center ice behind the benches.


You were sitting Close to me. I was behind the Avs Bench row X in U13.

And last this bugs me right here.

The whole Kings organization is just absolutely classless. From their fans, to the way they handle the whole Blake thing, down to the way their PA announcer mocked Peter Forsberg's name. I guess when Gretzky left he took all the classiness with him.



From my experiences, I agree with Cazzy. At the game 7 in 2001 there were 4 Kings fans sitting behind me being completely obnoxious. They were talking trash saying things like the whole state of Colorado sucks and went as far as mocking John Elway (eventhough it was a hockey game they were attending). At one point one of the guys was chanting "rednecks" at the Avs fans in my section. Then I went to the Vegas game last year and basically had the same experience as Cazzy (walking away thinking that all Kings fans are classless a-holes). At the Kings game this past season when Forsberg scored the hat trick there was a Kings fan in front of me being very rude and ended up punching an Avs fan that appeared to be at least 7 years younger than him (the Kings fan looked to be early 20's and was drinking beer so he had no business hitting a junior high kid).

I'm sure there are classy Kings fans out there, but you guys certainly seem to have a whole lot fans out there making that unimaginable. My experiences with Kings fans cover over 10 games and two states and I think that Kings fans ,as a whole, are classless. I don't think Cazzy made such a broad generalization.

I'm sure there are classy Kings fans out there, but you guys certainly seem to have a whole lot fans out there making that unimaginable. My experiences with Kings fans cover over 10 games and two states and I think that Kings fans ,as a whole, are classless. I don't think Cazzy made such a broad generalization.

I think you are making an inaccurate blanket statement. I am an Avs fan living in L.A., and the times I've seen games here, I've only noticed that the fans are more passionate than they are at Lakers or Dodgers games. Never had a problem with anyone.

Even the playoff game I went to 2 years ago wearing my Avs cap was a pleasant experience, no one gave me too hard a time, everyone was rooting on their team, and the building was electric. And the fans are pretty knowledgable. It's not like going to a Wild game, but considering this is L.A., not shabby at all.

That being said, I am sure there are obnoxious fans, maybe a lot of them, but what do you expect from a place as large as L.A.? Hopefully y'all won't judge all Kings fans because of a few bad apples, it's not really the way things are from everything I've seen.

From my experiences, I agree with Cazzy. At the game 7 in 2001 there were 4 Kings fans sitting behind me being completely obnoxious. They were talking trash saying things like the whole state of Colorado sucks and went as far as mocking John Elway (eventhough it was a hockey game they were attending). At one point one of the guys was chanting "rednecks" at the Avs fans in my section. Then I went to the Vegas game last year and basically had the same experience as Cazzy (walking away thinking that all Kings fans are classless a-holes). At the Kings game this past season when Forsberg scored the hat trick there was a Kings fan in front of me being very rude and ended up punching an Avs fan that appeared to be at least 7 years younger than him (the Kings fan looked to be early 20's and was drinking beer so he had no business hitting a junior high kid).

I'm sure there are classy Kings fans out there, but you guys certainly seem to have a whole lot fans out there making that unimaginable. My experiences with Kings fans cover over 10 games and two states and I think that Kings fans ,as a whole, are classless. I don't think Cazzy made such a broad generalization.

I attended my first Kings game at game five in the forum when Edmonton eliminated LA (Ironically at the hands of the Great One). Back then the Kings in their horrid color scheme had a knowledgable dedicated fan base, if a bit rowdy. Back then the Dodgers were doing very well as were the Raiders and Lakers. Because of this I would guess there was less of a bandwagon attendance. Sure there was still a segment of celeberty watching etc, but the King fans seemed great to me at the time (10 years old I think I was). After the LA Kings made it to the finals things changed in the fanbase that attended the Forum. As with all NHL clubs, tickets got more expensive and the attendees changed. It got better after Greztky moved and they had a bad season or two, but then the Kings eliminated Detroit in the first round and they got popular again. I know for a fact that there are some really great, die hard Kings fans that follow the club without the Oakland Raider fan mentality. Non-myopic fans who love the sport, not just the popularity. Then again, because of the population base and the new risen popularity of the franchise there's a pretty ugly segment that is often associated with the Lakers or back when the Raiders were winning football games in LA. I think it's just natural of all sports teams, it just gets overblown when the city of said teams contain like 10 million people. The potential for braggarts is much higher, the potential for game attendees gets to be much more about who you know, rather than are you a fan. I don't begrudge any King fans and I simply ignore those that are fans of convenience with little knowledge of the game. I wouldn't draw conclusions about everyone from that instance. I certainly can appreciate your frustration however.

There's one sub-group of Kings fans I could do without. That group is the one comprised of people that, for some reason, aren't repulsed by Matt Johnson's actions in ruining Jeff Beukeboom's career. I've read more than a few that have found some sort of humor or irony or whatever word they would use for it in that act. It was, and still is, one of the most gutless plays I've ever seen in the sport of hockey. And yet, every so often, I come across a Kings fan that talks up that play to be more than just an act of cowardice. I could really do without that group of Kings fans and I don't care how large or small that group is.

Beyond that, I wish people would stop assuming I'm a Kings fan. Otherwise, fans are fans. Most of them suck and team allegiance doesn't matter in terms of how much they suck.

I'm sure there are classy Kings fans out there, but you guys certainly seem to have a whole lot fans out there making that unimaginable. My experiences with Kings fans cover over 10 games and two states and I think that Kings fans ,as a whole, are classless. I don't think Cazzy made such a broad generalization.

Thats good to know that I am classless. I guess I should goto a Dodger game and sit there and watch the Beach Ball and try not to get shot by a Giants Fan.

Thats good to know that I am classless. I guess I should goto a Dodger game and sit there and watch the Beach Ball and try not to get shot by a Giants Fan.

Look at all this confusion. The dude that got shot a few weeks ago was a Giants fan.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/6879906.htm

And it really is funny to go to a game at Dodgers Stadium, there's not a whole lot of passion there. But a lot of beachballs! I'd have to say the most on-the-ball fans in LA are the Kings fans.

Oh yea, that was Forsberg's 1st career fighting major too

Really? He was on the ice for the game against Detroit in 1997. He fought with Igor. :rolleyes: I thought for sure he got one in that game.

Really? He was on the ice for the game against Detroit in 1997. He fought with Igor. :rolleyes: I thought for sure he got one in that game.

McCarty didn't even get a fighting major for the work he did on Lemieux. That's why the Avs were so irate when he scored the OT goal, because he should have had 3 fighting majors and an automatic ejection. Most of the players on the ice didn't get fighting majors during that brawl which was really weird. Most players got double minors for roughing and/or 10 min misconducts.

Look at all this confusion. The dude that got shot a few weeks ago was a Giants fan.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/6879906.htm

And it really is funny to go to a game at Dodgers Stadium, there's not a whole lot of passion there. But a lot of beachballs! I'd have to say the most on-the-ball fans in LA are the Kings fans.

See I have heard both that it was a Dodger Fan shooting a Giant fan and I've heard it the other way around.

McCarty didn't even get a fighting major for the work he did on Lemieux. That's why the Avs were so irate when he scored the OT goal, because he should have had 3 fighting majors and an automatic ejection. Most of the players on the ice didn't get fighting majors during that brawl which was really weird. Most players got double minors for roughing and/or 10 min misconducts.

I've never understood why McCarty became such a hero for what he did to Lemieux. Sure he got the better of Claude, but he basically jumped him from behind. Usually when someone attacks an unsuspecting person from behind they aren't celebrated for it. In my mind, neither McCarty nor Lemieux acted like men during that fateful "fight". Claude could have at least stood up and thrown a few punches, even if he still "lost". It is even more sickening that McCarty wasn't thrown out and eventually scored the OT winner. That changed both teams' seasons around. Mike Keane was certainly right, Detroit was gutless that night, for myriad reasons.

Also, Forsberg and Larionov were mostly wrestling before all hell broke loose that game. Neither player, IIRC, received a fighting major, just roughing minors. I think Saturday was Foppa's first 5 minutes for fighting (congrats Peter, now never do that again!) There was a Sports Illustrated article, from I think late 1996 or early 1997, about the dynamic duo of Sakic and Forsberg. I don't remember the context, but Peter was quoted as saying that he would "get his ass kicked" if he ever dropped the gloves. It was a pretty good article, I'm going to have to hunt for it.

I've never understood why McCarty became such a hero for what he did to Lemieux. Sure he got the better of Claude, but he basically jumped him from behind. Usually when someone attacks an unsuspecting person from behind they aren't celebrated for it. In my mind, neither McCarty nor Lemieux acted like men during that fateful "fight". Claude could have at least stood up and thrown a few punches, even if he still "lost". It is even more sickening that McCarty wasn't thrown out and eventually scored the OT winner. That changed both teams' seasons around. Mike Keane was certainly right, Detroit was gutless that night, for myriad reasons.



I agree completely. What's sickening to me is how he dragged Lemieux over to the boards and kneed him in the face and never got a major for that. That's why there was so much blood on the Big Boy advertisement.