Martin Brodeur in doping control test

There's an article on RDS.ca (http://www.rds.ca/hockey/chroniques/177930.html) that says that Martin Brodeur was drawed to pass in a doping control test today, and that Brodeur is worried and filled a report because a Latvian player gave him a bottle of water during the game against Latvia and that he's a bit worried about the results.

The article states that the results of the test are still undisclosed.

I'd be worried also if someone from another team gave me a bottle but I don't think he's going to fail the test.

*twich* :eek: :eek: :eek:

I hope he gets busted, everybody knows what he is doing. :sarcasm:

...Martin Brodeur was drawed to pass in a doping control test today, and that Brodeur is worried and filled a report because a Latvian player gave him a bottle of water during the game against Latvia and that he's a bit worried about the results.
WHAT???? If he was worried about the bottle, or at all suspicious, why did he drink it?

He shouldn't be at all worried if he wasn't doping. It sounds like such an excuse-making ploy.

Why suspect a water bottle from a Latvian player during the game when there are NO RESULTS to the test yet? Doesn't he expect the test to come back clean?

Is Brodeur suddenly overly paranoid? Or is he preparing an excuse?

There's an article on RDS.ca (http://www.rds.ca/hockey/chroniques/177930.html) that says that Martin Brodeur was drawed to pass in a doping control test today, and that Brodeur is worried and filled a report because a Latvian player gave him a bottle of water during the game against Latvia and that he's a bit worried about the results.

The article states that the results of the test are still undisclosed.

First of all, why would he be stupid enough to accept a bottle from anither teams player, and he's probably just making excuses cause he thinks somethings gonna show up in his test. If he gets kicked out for doping, I'll hate him forever.

First of all, why would he be stupid enough to accept a bottle from anither teams player, and he's probably just making excuses cause he thinks somethings gonna show up in his test. If he gets kicked out for doping, I'll hate him forever.
Goaltenders benefit more from doping than skaters due to the physical demands of the position. Especially aging goalies.

I don't think he'll be man enough to admit it if he has. If the results are negative, he simply disrespected the Latvian player by voicing suspicions prematurely about a guy who did a nice thing (handing him a water bottle).

This whole situation is distasteful. Hope he apologizes if he didn't dope or is kicked out of hockey if he has.

Let's put yourself under Brodeur's skin for a minute...

1) A Latvian player offers you a water bottle. You drink it at first, thinking it was a sign of respect or something like that.

2) After the game, you think about what happened. What was in the bottle?

3) The next morning, you're called to pass a drug test.

Things could have gone like that IMO, and we would all be stressed with this situation.

And you have to take into consideration that maybe if he was doped, he felt it, that's why he's so supspicious about the bottle.

But if he really dope himself, he should be kicked out of the NHL for sure, even if he's one of my favs.

it whould be a sad ending to his career...

Let's put yourself under Brodeur's skin for a minute...

1) A Latvian player offers you a water bottle. You drink it at first, thinking it was a sign of respect or something like that.


Where does the bottle come from? Did the Canadian bench just pass the guy a bottle to give to Brodeur? or did it come from the Latvian bench. I think its common sense to not go drinking water bottles from other teams, especially ones that have been skated out and given to you... :huh:

Where does the bottle come from? Did the Canadian bench just pass the guy a bottle to give to Brodeur? or did it come from the Latvian bench. I think its common sense to not go drinking water bottles from other teams, especially ones that have been skated out and given to you... :huh:

if I was thirsty, I whouldn't give a ******* about WHAT it was I was drinking :biglaugh:

Where does the bottle come from? Did the Canadian bench just pass the guy a bottle to give to Brodeur? or did it come from the Latvian bench. I think its common sense to not go drinking water bottles from other teams, especially ones that have been skated out and given to you... :huh:

I'll try to translate the part of the article...

"Brodeur tells that something happened just before the beginning of the 3rd period. He was heading to his net when a player from Team Latvia gave him a water bottle. At the moment, he took the bottle and put if on his net."

Brodeur also says something interesting.

"They saw me allow four goals and considering the way I was playing on those four goals... I can't blame them for picking me in the test." talking the comittee that supposedly picks "random player" for the test.

If he gets busted...then its only him to blame, no little excuses that cant be proven. Face the consequences for your actions like a man. (Of course this is all IF the tests comes back positive)

As great a goalie Brodeur is, it'll be his problem if he gets tested as positive for performance enhancing drugs.

I could really care less. Bring on Luongo and Turco if that's the case.

********. :shakehead

i guess brodeur and cloutier could have a discussion on the wisdom of accepting the "help" of the opponents. :biglaugh:

I would be very dissappointed if Brodeur was doping. I would definately change my opinion on him when rating him.

if it does come back postitve for dopping, one would have to wonder how long he' had been doping for...

I don't think he's necessarely talking like a guilty guy, I mean it could happen right? You never know what some people might do to get themselves an advantage of some sort...

I would think Brodeur would be concerned about possible stimulants added to the water rather than steroids; it would be pretty obvious, if the test comes back for the remnants for deca-durabolin or equipoise, that it wasn't added to the water. Either way, I wouldn't fault Brodeur because many, many athletes are on performance enhancing drugs and I would prefer to see the best, not the best naturally.

If Brodeur were to not say anything beforehand, it will come off as an excuse. If Brodeur does mention it, you have what we have here: people griping that he sounds guilty. With performance enhancing drugs, the players are in a no-win situation, as most people are vehemently against the drugs without really knowing why.

I don't think he's necessarely talking like a guilty guy, I mean it could happen right? You never know what some people might do to get themselves an advantage of some sort...

Please, if it comes back positive (which I highly doubt it will) it's pretty obvious that he's setting up an excuse. Come on, the Latvians snuck banned substances into a water bottle then gave it to Brodeur?

...many, many athletes are on performance enhancing drugs and I would prefer to see the best, not the best naturally.
You are in the minority.

Please, if it comes back positive (which I highly doubt it will) it's pretty obvious that he's setting up an excuse. Come on, the Latvians snuck banned substances into a water bottle than gave it to Brodeur?

Yes, It's pretty sad that a nice, sportsmanlike gesture becomes a conspiracy theory in Brodeur's mouth. I hope he's "clean" but it was not classy at all. Shame Brodeur.

I'll be shocked if this comes to be anything more than it is.

...many, many athletes are on performance enhancing drugs and I would prefer to see the best, not the best naturally.



What?

I've never heard this aspect of the argument articulated. I am curious...why? Do you cheat on tests to be "the best?" What about others? Would it be fine if others cheated on every exam they ever took to be the "best" if you were stuck with your own hard work and effort?

I personally want to see the best natural athletes in the game, regardless of what that game is--hockey, football, fox hunting, what have you. Anyone found cheating has no place.

I'll be very disapointed if he's not clean. If he's found positive the real question is how long as he been doing it?

I have a strong feeling it will come back negative.

But say, hypothetically, it does come back positive. Would some people then start coming forward? Former trainers, former teammates? What if some of these accusations reach back a number of years? If he admits to it or its proven beyond a reasonable doubt, do they take away his trophies from the "tainted" period?

I reiterate that I am quite confident that he is innocent, but I don't have the foggiest on how it would all play out.

Certainly wouldn't improve hockey's soured imagine in the US.

Either way, I wouldn't fault Brodeur because many, many athletes are on performance enhancing drugs and I would prefer to see the best, not the best naturally.


I hope you still feel that way when you find out your heart surgeon cheated during his exams in medical school.

I hope you still feel that way when you find out your heart surgeon cheated during his exams in medical school.

That is hardly the same thing. The analogous situation would be if he took speed to cram for his exams and stay awake the next day.

That is hardly the same thing. The analogous situation would be if he took speed to cram for his exams and stay awake the next day.

No, it's a fine analogy. Both are using illegal/unethical outside sources to enhance their performance at a crucial time, instead of relying on their best "natural" ability.

He's innocent until proven guilty. Some people sound like he's 5 seconds away from being shot. :shakehead

He's innocent until proven guilty. Some people sound like he's 5 seconds away from being shot. :shakehead
Nobody was accusing him. He was just randomly selected.

Then he says a Latvian gave him a water bottle and then he insinuates that the committee may not have picked him randomly.

Let's hope he's just being paranoid, and a bit disrespectful.

I'm pretty sure players were tested before the Olympics so if he is found to be doping you can rest assured it's a fairly recent thing.

I'm pretty sure players were tested before the Olympics so if he is found to be doping you can rest assured it's a fairly recent thing.
ALL players at the Olympics? I don't think so. Same random selection process.

This may sound like an extremely arrogant and egocentric view, but hear me out.

Put yourself in Brodeur's shoes. You've been called the best International goalie in the world by some pundits. You've won most accolades a goaltender can get. You go into a tournament and get fleeced for several goals by a country that shouldn't be a problem(not disrespect to the Latvians on my part, I'm speaking as a hypothetical cocky Brodeur, here). You get fleeced for four goals, you certainly don't feel like you were in top form. The next day you get called for a dope test. Three schools of thought emerge:

1.) I did dope. Damn, they're going to catch me. How do I cover my ass?

2.) I didn't do dope. Nothing to worry about, I just had a bad game.

3.) I didn't do dope. But I didn't feel in top form, so how could I have possibly got it?

Personally, I think it's Number 2. Brodeur's been in the bigs and on the international stage for quite some time; definitely not stupid enough to knowingly take drugs before games.

~Canucklehead~

I'm pretty sure players were tested before the Olympics so if he is found to be doping you can rest assured it's a fairly recent thing.

I think all the players that played in the World Cup were also tested altough I could be wrong.

Brodeur would never do anything like it. Watch the test results come back negative. No big deal.

I think all the players that played in the World Cup were also tested altough I could be wrong.

I thought in the Olympics, all medalists are tested as well.

What would he test positive for? Gravy?

What would he test positive for? Gravy?

Yeah, gotta get big for approx. 10 games. Big season. :biglaugh:

I heard he made a joke about it .saying they must think he's on something because of the way he played :biglaugh:

I'm pretty sure Brodeur made up the water bottle story as a joke. I guess some didn't find it funny.

I'm pretty sure Brodeur made up the water bottle story as a joke. I guess some didn't find it funny.

Well when you say something and you've got the media around and people can see you they can tell you're joking. But when a reporter writes the quote down and puts it in print and the article does not mention something like Brodeur was laughing when he was making the comments, the comments could be interpreted very differently without the context in which they were spoken. Brodeur usually seems like a happy go lucky guy and probably was joking. However I can see where if he was joking and those comments when taken out of context would seem like he's acting very paranoid or has something to hide.

I remember a situation a while back, I think it was before the 98 Olympics, where in the middle of the summer someone from either the IOC, IIHF or one of the Swedish athletic governing bodies tried to drug test Mattias Norstrom and a few other Swedish players at a national training camp they were having. They called the NHLPA and said that due to the agreement they had whomever was trying to do the testing (I forget whom it was) had no right to test the players out of competition and so they refused the test. The Swedish media was "What do these players have to hide?" and so on even though the players were not supposed to be subject to testing then. Norstrom has been tested in World Championships and Olympics since then and has come up clean but they looked suspicious because they didn't take the test. Brodeur may or may not be guilty but an innocent situation can often look bad before the test results come out.

Busted ...

They'd better not link that cesspool black hole that is Baseball to Hockey.

No way, no how.

Huh. I thought it was a joke too. Saying sarcastically that they tested him because he played so "well". Didn't hear the water bottle part, but that also sounds like something Brodeur might joke about. Picking the start of the third period because that's when he let in the two long-range goals. Weird story.

I would think for sure they all got tested when they won the Olympic gold.

I smell troubles .... :shakehead he preparing an excuse because there are NO RESULTS to the test yet

I would think for sure they all got tested when they won the Olympic gold.

There were tests in Olympic games, but I'm pretty sure that they didn't test everyone in any team, just random picking after game, maybe two or three players after medalround games. That said, it's funny how Wings worst two weeks of the season in NHL were the two weeks before Olympic games, they did have 14 players (if I recall it right) playing in Olympics.

Since NHL doesn't do any dopingtests, I don't believe that there's too many clean players during the normal season. However, everyone of them knows that there's a possibility that you're tested during World Championships, I'm sure they all realize it and take it under consideration.

Originally Posted by hooty mcboobs
Either way, I wouldn't fault Brodeur because many, many athletes are on performance enhancing drugs and I would prefer to see the best, not the best naturally.

OK so what about the ones who dont want to take it becuase it can cause serious set backs in later life? They train just as hard and are just as in their right to be on a level playing field. Next you'll say you want the rink slanted in one direction so it gives an advantage to one side because that way it would be more entertaining and who cares if some people are at an un-natural disadvantage.

It's not the WWE or the circus. It's a professional sport that entertains and alot of money is made and lost in these sports.


Hopefully this is just a mountain out of a mole hill and words have been taken out of context and Brodeur is clean. I'll reserve my opinion and judgement on him until I hear the results of this test.

What an idiot! "Latvian guy did it".

No matter the results may be, I have less respect for Brodeur than I had day ago.

Who said goaltenders benefit more from doping than skaters? It's totally the opposite!

There were tests in Olympic games, but I'm pretty sure that they didn't test everyone in any team, just random picking after game, maybe two or three players after medalround games.

Aren't doping tests mandatory for every olympic medal winners ?

Please, if it comes back positive (which I highly doubt it will) it's pretty obvious that he's setting up an excuse. Come on, the Latvians snuck banned substances into a water bottle then gave it to Brodeur?

I've heard some extremly lame excuses in the past from athleets every where. Like having sex the night before or having a steak in the Neatherlands...

But are you guys sure he wasn't joking? Like I had a bad game, must have been the waterbottle and on top of it all now a test! (Big smile from Brodeur) Then a young reporter sent out to cover a got damn hockey tournament in the middle of nowhere have a chance to get a headline and he can't be sued for nothing... (Thats my bet atleast)

I am also 100% sure that the Canadian doctors do a throughout research of what substances players have used before the tournament. Remember that a coldmedecine thats bought over the counter and without a doubt used by teams in the NHL can get you banned for 2 years if you play in the WCH. A ban that willapply in the NHL.(or atleast should according to a still standing contract between the IIHF and the NHL where NHL and IIHF respect each others bans...)


Then he says a Latvian gave him a water bottle and then he insinuates that the committee may not have picked him randomly.


Players aren't "randomly" picked. Thats what they say but muscular players are for example always tested more then thin players ect.


But say, hypothetically, it does come back positive. Would some people then start coming forward? Former trainers, former teammates? What if some of these accusations reach back a number of years? If he admits to it or its proven beyond a reasonable doubt, do they take away his trophies from the "tainted" period?

I reiterate that I am quite confident that he is innocent, but I don't have the foggiest on how it would all play out.


I have a feeling that if Brodeur is caugt NJ Devils go nuts and try every possible option not to get him suspended in the NHL. Before athleets from the US was not tested properly because the risk of who ever did the test risked beeing sued in the states. There is always resoniable doubt when it comes to these things and who knows how jury is gooing to react... Could there have been something in the waterbottle?

Are doping tests mandatory for every olympic medal winners ?

In individual sports, yes. I don't know if they test everyone in team competitions, couldn't find that from Wada's page.

Goaltenders benefit more from doping than skaters due to the physical demands of the position. Especially aging goalies.

I don't think he'll be man enough to admit it if he has. If the results are negative, he simply disrespected the Latvian player by voicing suspicions prematurely about a guy who did a nice thing (handing him a water bottle).

This whole situation is distasteful. Hope he apologizes if he didn't dope or is kicked out of hockey if he has.

Agreed.

I would think Brodeur would be concerned about possible stimulants added to the water rather than steroids; it would be pretty obvious, if the test comes back for the remnants for deca-durabolin or equipoise, that it wasn't added to the water. Either way, I wouldn't fault Brodeur because many, many athletes are on performance enhancing drugs and I would prefer to see the best, not the best naturally.

If Brodeur were to not say anything beforehand, it will come off as an excuse. If Brodeur does mention it, you have what we have here: people griping that he sounds guilty. With performance enhancing drugs, the players are in a no-win situation, as most people are vehemently against the drugs without really knowing why.

I would prefer to see the best naturally. Messing with doping is cheating, plain and simple. I would fault anybody using doping.

They'd better not link that cesspool black hole that is Baseball to Hockey.

No way, no how.

Cause there's no banned substances being used in hockey....

Or not.

Here's (http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/World/2005/05/01/1021048-sun.html) another article on this, from it it sounds like Brodeur was joking.

"I let four of them in. I think that's why I got drug-tested after the game,'' joked Brodeur.
''Because they saw all four goals and said: 'Test him right away.' ''

This is the biggest overreaction ever. People get selected for testing all the time, it never makes the news.

So what is the news here exaclty? Brodeur got tested, some reporter asked him about it and he made a joke that he played bad so they figured they would test him right away. All of a sudden some internet message board explodes with controversy about it.

Where's the story about some random third line winger from Slovenia being selected for testing? Because right now that's no more newsworthy than Brodeur being tested.

OMFG. He's talking like a guilty guy. Questioning the selection process before the results are even known?

He has so far insinuated major twisted underhanded conduct on the part of a Latvian player and unfair, biased conduct on the part of the drugtesting committee.

If the results end up negative, he should apologize. Or else he isn't the classy guy I thought he was.

If he's guilty then he's lying through the yinyang to try and put a different spin on the media coverage that'll be storming in.

So if the results end up negative are you going to apologize for insinuating that he is guilty?

So if the results end up negative are you going to apologize for insinuating that he is guilty?
:shakehead I qualified my statements with "if". Either Brodeur didn't, or else a reporter didn't, failing to indicate the context of a joke.

Hoping this is all just a joke that was misrepresented. That's the only way Brodeur's comments don't affect his character.

if you start making excuses before the tests and already accuse somebody of putting something in what you drink, you can clearly imagine what's in Brodeur's mind : he already knows the result, which will have nothing to do with that water

Brodeur isn't starting today against Slovenia.

Coincidence? I think so.

While his statement sounds remarkably like Ben Johnson's in 1988 about the infamous switching/tampering of the water bottle, this reaction to Brodeur's comments is quite the overreaction. My goodness are people ever impatient for test results.

I hope he gets busted, everybody knows what he is doing.

what, humping his inlaws? ;)

meh, i can see the joking about the poor game and all, but joking about the water bottle? that doesn't really seem like much of a joke...I just can't quite see how someone can twist that into a joke.

but it doesn't mean anything either...considering the kinds of stuff that can show up on drug tests even when the athletes aren't doping, I'm sure everyone gets nervous when they find out they're going to be tested. "oh god, what about that cold medicine i took the other day?" etc etc.

Brodeur isn't starting today against Slovenia.

Coincidence? I think so.

Canada always plays their second goaltender in games they feel are for sure wins. Jesus.

Considering no other media outlet is picking up the bottle story and that when reading the original article in French it reads as a mock-scandal piece, not even in the headline section of RDS, but the opinion pieces, this was obviously Marty joking around.

The Albino is correct.

It is also penned by a writer who often pokes fun at his colleagues in his local media for mud raking 'journalism'. Good fun on a slow news day.

Until someone can come up with another source for this story I'm going to shut this down. It's pure speculation at this point in time and most likely a hoax. PM me if you find another source and I'll reopen it.

I re-opened this as The Hockey News had a blurb on the story

http://www.thn.com/en/headlines/detail.asp?id=27804&cat=954945254360


BRODEUR WORRIED Marty Brodeur was the Canadian who was drug-tested after Saturday’s 6-4 win over Latvia. And Brodeur was a little worried that something might come up on the test because of an incident during the game.

Brodeur drank from a Latvian water bottle and then realized the error he made. When he went to the drug-testing office, he informed officials of the miscue and filed a report on what happened.

In the end, it didn’t matter


From the sounds of it he passed the drug test, so all the speculation can be put to bed.


EDIT - Thank you Bling for passing that info on.

This is the biggest overreaction ever. People get selected for testing all the time, it never makes the news.

So what is the news here exaclty? Brodeur got tested, some reporter asked him about it and he made a joke that he played bad so they figured they would test him right away. All of a sudden some internet message board explodes with controversy about it.

Where's the story about some random third line winger from Slovenia being selected for testing? Because right now that's no more newsworthy than Brodeur being tested.

U need to calm down, the "big news" is about him making excuses, not that he is being tested, we all know that players get tested.

As for the coincidence that Luongo was in net, that was decided before hand.

I re-opened this as The Hockey News had a blurb on the story

http://www.thn.com/en/headlines/detail.asp?id=27804&cat=954945254360



From the sounds of it he passed the drug test, so all the speculation can be put to bed.


EDIT - Thank you Bling for passing that info on.

I was in doping control a number of years ago (not for hockey) and was not too worried, I had nothing to hide, but still felt somewhat relieved when the test came back negative. It plays on your mind, not because of the likelyhood of a positive test, but because of the ramifications of a positive test result. Any Canadian Athlete testing positive would be in the news. Marty would have been a front page headline even if it was cold medicine and trace quantities. So your first reaction has to be "alright, what have I eaten or drank lately". I know they are schooled on what they can have but it still effects you and must be much moreso if you are a household name.

BRODEUR WORRIED Marty Brodeur was the Canadian who was drug-tested after Saturday’s 6-4 win over Latvia. And Brodeur was a little worried that something might come up on the test because of an incident during the game.

Brodeur drank from a Latvian water bottle and then realized the error he made. When he went to the drug-testing office, he informed officials of the miscue and filed a report on what happened.
So Brodeur was just being paranoid - not joking - after all. What I first suspected.

The kindness of the Latvian was just that, not some machiavellian ploy as Brodeur thought it might have been.

I still think Brodeur should apologize or at least realize he needn't have mentioned to the media his suspicions of what was a nice act.

U need to calm down, the "big news" is about him making excuses, not that he is being tested, we all know that players get tested.

As for the coincidence that Luongo was in net, that was decided before hand.

:biglaugh:

Yeah ok. Luckily I was able to avoid a heart failure. I will renew my sedative perscription and not lose any more sleep over this issue.

Having worked in the media a few years ago, I still find it sad but really hillarious to see the overreaction when people blow things out of proportion or take things out of context.

:biglaugh:

Yeah ok. Luckily I was able to avoid a heart failure. I will renew my sedative perscription and not lose any more sleep over this issue.

Having worked in the media a few years ago, I still find it sad but really hillarious to see the overreaction when people blow things out of proportion or take things out of context.

Valium and trazodne work good.

So Brodeur was just being paranoid - not joking - after all. What I first suspected.

The kindness of the Latvian was just that, not some machiavellian ploy as Brodeur thought it might have been.

I still think Brodeur should apologize or at least realize he needn't have mentioned to the media his suspicions of what was a nice act.

You have got to be the most irritating user on this forum. Even more annoying than half the know-it-all clowns on the Ranger Board. Give this holier than thou attitude a rest.

Brodeur has a hall of fame career, makes millions of dollars from it and most of all likes the reputation that he's built for himself. Why leave any of that to chance?

This entire thread is ridiculous and so are your posts.

You have got to be the most irritating user on this forum. Even more annoying than half the know-it-all clowns on the Ranger Board. Give this holier than thou attitude a rest.

Brodeur has a hall of fame career, makes millions of dollars from it and most of all likes the reputation that he's built for himself. Why leave any of that to chance?

This entire thread is ridiculous and so are your posts.
No need for that man. VanIslander is a good poster with knowedgable opinions (for the most part ;)). If you want to argue with him, do so in a constructive matter. Don't take stupid shots at him.

thanks jtuzzi21
Brodeur has a hall of fame career, makes millions of dollars from it and most of all likes the reputation that he's built for himself. Why leave any of that to chance?
Look out only for number one, even if you have to tell reporters that a Latvian may have spiked the water bottle offered you, just to cover your butt. Fine. But not consistent with the nice-guy gentleman he's been pegged to be.

It's one thing to report it to the committee, it's another to tell the media about it early.

But, as I've repeated mentioned, this is such a minor point.

Right from my first post on the subject, I've suspected he was just being paranoid. BigE, you think it justified. Alright. Just realize that this wouldn't have been a topic of discussion if he hadn't expressed his worry to the media. I'm just glad I'm not Latvian to consider it a slight.