Trade Lupul for Brewer?

Intersting idea suggested on the Oilers board.

Lupul for Brewer straight-up.

Makes sense from Ducks POV given that we lack a potential no.1 puck-moving D, also if both Perry are RWs we have enough depth there. OTOH, Lupul is showing some great promise and he could become a bonafide 1st line sniper.

So, would you do that trade and why/why not?

I dunno, Brewer's just turned 26, so he's not all that young ... if he were going to develop into a great #1, I think we'd have seen more from him by now. Still, he's a very good #2 or #3 guy to have, so I don't think it would be a disaster to get him, but he's not going to dramatically alter our fortunes either.

Guess it depends ... I'd rate Brewer's chances of being a #1 as pretty low, but then again Lupul isn't a sure-fire 30 goal guy in the NHL.

There's other things to consider too, like how easy it'd be to sign a top goal scorer vs. a #1 defenseman in free agency, and how much it would cost. Or how likely it is you'll be able to get one or the other in the draft. Or how long it would take for each type of player to develop. And in any case you have to keep in mind the overall concept for your team ... are you trying to build an offensive powerhouse, or a defensive one?

I'd rather wait and see how our defensive prospects (especially Smid, Popovic and Foster) turn out before making a trade like this. While they may not turn out to be #1 defenceman, I don't see that as being Brewer's future either. As mentioned, he's just hitting his prime years (approximately 25-31). I think we could be better served with an in-house solution.

I also don't think we have enough in the forward corps to replace Lupul and would be better served working to develop players to work alongside of him (Perry is still a hit or miss IMO, he need more work to make it to the NHL, plus he is more of a playmaker then a sniper)

No way, the ducks have no scoring punch other than sykora and federov. I think Brewer can be had for much less, someone like Chistov or Perry should do it. But then again, Lowe is an idiot and would probably screw up the trade like he did for comrie....

But then again, Lowe is an idiot and would probably screw up the trade like he did for comrie....

Lowe is a GENIUS! (from a Ducks viewpoint :D )

About the trade, are you nut Pepper? ;) Age difference and Lupul's potential can't be ignored, I would keep him without even thinking.

Uh, Lowe got a 1st rounder (Schremp), Woywitka and a 3rd rounder for a player who had very little value at the time due to his holdout. If anyone got screwed over, it was Clarke.

I also don't think we have enough in the forward corps to replace Lupul and would be better served working to develop players to work alongside of him (Perry is still a hit or miss IMO, he need more work to make it to the NHL, plus he is more of a playmaker then a sniper)

I wouldn't do this trade. I don't see how it benefits us. Forbesy makes some good points. Perry is far from a sure top-6 forward. We can't score, Lupul is a goal scorer. Lupul and Sykora are the only real shooters on our team. If we are going into rebuilding mode which I think we are with so many young players expected to be in the line-up when play resumes I don't see the point of the trade. I think it would be a lateral move at best with the potential to hurt real bad in the future.

Uh, Lowe got a 1st rounder (Schremp), Woywitka and a 3rd rounder for a player who had very little value at the time due to his holdout. If anyone got screwed over, it was Clarke.

I have to agree... I don't think Lowe did badly at all in the Comrie trade, especially given that the 1st rounder turned into Robbie Schremp. If you look at what Clarke got for Comrie in the Burke trade, then I think Lowe's trade looks even better.

As for the Brewer-Lupul trade, I'm probably underestimating Lupul quite a bit, but I'm not sure the Oilers make that trade. Brewer strikes me as being a bit too valuable to them right now to make a deal like that.

Only on HF is this a "no" from a Ducks POV.

Uh, Lowe got a 1st rounder (Schremp), Woywitka and a 3rd rounder for a player who had very little value at the time due to his holdout. If anyone got screwed over, it was Clarke.

Jeff Woywitka, Devan Dubnyk and a 3rd rounder vs. Ladislav Smid(or Lauri Tukonen, if he prefered him) and Corey Perry

I'd take the latter in a heartbeat. Even if Schremp replaced Dubnyk when weighing the scales, I'd still take what Anaheim offered.

Only on HF is this a "no" from a Ducks POV.

Lupul is a young, talented future star in this league. He definetely has the potential to score 40 goals in this league. Brewer is a solid defenseman, but has been very disappointing lately, and IMO isn't worth a potential 40-goal scorer in Lupul. Also, given what Lowe's pulled, I can't see Anaheim dealing with him for a long time.

Jeff Woywitka, Devan Dubnyk and a 3rd rounder vs. Ladislav Smid(or Lauri Tukonen, if he prefered him) and Corey Perry

I'd take the latter in a heartbeat. Even if Schremp replaced Dubnyk when weighing the scales, I'd still take what Anaheim offered.

Schremp was the pick that came with Philly's pick. Also, it's known that Lowe wanted to trade up to draft Stafford, and I'd have to think that's who he would have picked. Not to mention, the Ducks/Oilers trade also had a pick going to Anaheim.

Comrie for Woywitka, Schremp and a 3rd

or

Comrie and a 3rd for Stafford, and Perry.

I go with the Philly trade myself.

Only on HF is this a "no" from a Ducks POV.

I don't think it is just HF. I don't think either team would do this trade, it doesn't make sense for both teams.

Exactly. It doesn't address our biggest need. Even in a bad year we're not a bad defensive team. We're a terrible offensive team every single year.

Schremp was the pick that came with Philly's pick. Also, it's known that Lowe wanted to trade up to draft Stafford, and I'd have to think that's who he would have picked. Not to mention, the Ducks/Oilers trade also had a pick going to Anaheim.

Comrie for Woywitka, Schremp and a 3rd

or

Comrie and a 3rd for Stafford, and Perry.

I go with the Philly trade myself.


He likely wouldn't take Stafford. As much as he might've wanted him, I'm sure one of Ladislav Smid or Lauri Tukonen, who he'd never think he could've got at 14, would be more tempting to him. I'm guessing he'd go with Tukonen.

Schremp was the Philly pick, but he still could've gotten Schremp at 14. He just chose Dubnyk instead. Even if he makes the trade with Anaheim, he still could've had Schremp.

Even so, I'd definetely take Perry and Smid/Tukonen over Schremp and Woywitka.

Schremp was the Philly pick, but he still could've gotten Schremp at 14. He just chose Dubnyk instead. Even if he makes the trade with Anaheim, he still could've had Schremp.

If they chose Dubnyk over Schremp when they were both there at 14, why would they chose differently if they picked earlier as well? The truth of the matter is the Oilers had Dubnyk rated higher than both Montoya and Schwarz, and they didn't think he'd be there at 14 (that's why the jersey they gave DD didn't have his name on the back, but Schremp's did). Regardless of fact that the #1 goalie in the draft (in their opinion) was available, they still wanted to trade that pick and a 2nd to move up one spot to draft Stafford, so I have to think Drew would have been their pick at 9 even if Tukonen and Smid were there (this is the guy who took Niinimaki almost an entire round earlier than he was supposed to go).

There's also no telling where the Ducks would have drafted had they had Comrie in their lineup most of the year, and the ever overlooked fact that they didn't want to trade within their conference to a team they were competing with for a playoff spot.

Either way, I don't want to turn this into a debate over the Comrie trade because it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I don't make this trade because the ducks need goals and Lupul will get them more than brewer will

Defense hasn't been the problem, offense has. After Fedorov, Lupul is the best scorer on the team... (That's totally pathetic by the way) I don't count Sykora, because he needs the most perfect linemates in order to be a real good scorer. That and the fact that he has the balance of Matt Cullen. Sykora's #3. Then who's next?..... Exactly! We need shooting forwards. This team's poison has been the inability to beat goalies 1 on 1, or anything that's not a rebound or deflection, so I say no to brewer and no to dmen and yes to shooting forwards.

Ducks have been hurting for goals since the franchise was born. You do not trade a young player with a goal scoring touch like Lupuls. He should be a 30 goal scorer in the next few years.

Big "NO" to this trade.

Lupul is a young, talented future star in this league. He definetely has the potential to score 40 goals in this league. Brewer is a solid defenseman, but has been very disappointing lately, and IMO isn't worth a potential 40-goal scorer in Lupul. Also, given what Lowe's pulled, I can't see Anaheim dealing with him for a long time.

The only players in the NHL to score 40 goals last season were Kovalchuk, Iginla and Nash. Lupul is a nice prospect, but I think 40 goals is a huge reach.

The only players in the NHL to score 40 goals last season were Kovalchuk, Iginla and Nash. Lupul is a nice prospect, but I think 40 goals is a huge reach.

Yeah, these days 25-30 would be impressive enough. Projecting Lupul as a 40 goal scorer would be like projecting Brewer as a Norris candidate ... sure it might happen, but don't hold your breath.

no. :)

He likely wouldn't take Stafford. As much as he might've wanted him, I'm sure one of Ladislav Smid or Lauri Tukonen, who he'd never think he could've got at 14, would be more tempting to him. I'm guessing he'd go with Tukonen.

He was prepared to take Stafford with #7, which they had would have gotten from Florida if Olesz was gone.

As for the deal as it played out, I'm pretty happy with it, and if I were Lowe, I don't think I'd hesitate to do it all over again.

man people still on schremps jock?