garnetpalmetto 04-17-2005, 04:23 AM Thought I'd pass this on to you Devils fans. In Game 4 of tonight's ECHL Playoff game between the Alaska Aces and the Bakersfield Condors, Scott Gomez suffered a serious injury and was taken to the hospital. Apparently, the door to the Aces bench was open and Gomez was checked into the open area while attempting to get to the puck. Reports as to the extent of the injury vary right now, but from what I'm seeing on other boards, it's more than likely he fractured either a hip or his pelvis. I'll keep my thoughts and prayers with him, as it's a horrible way to end what's been a stellar season for him.
stardog 04-17-2005, 04:38 AM I was at the ECHL playoff game tnight between the Aces and Bakersfield Condors and midway through the second period, Scott Gomez was rocked hard by Bakersfield's Ashley Langdone. The strange angle which he hit the board caused the injury it seemed but it was a VERY hard check.
It was one of those situations where Gomez was turnig as he was hit (spinning from it) and he turned into it right as it was delivered so he was hitfrom the side and behind.
Now before anybody calls it a dirty hit, I will tell you as an impartial party that it was NOT a cheap shot, though in the coming days I can guarantee you that is what it will be characterized as simply because of the two parties involved (Langdone=500+PIMS).
This game was officiated so incredibly poorly that by the time the hit happened, the players were all taking liberties with one another, Gomez included. They saw that the ref wasnt going to call thngs so they policed themselves which is where things get into trouble.
The ref did not call a penalty on the initial hit as play went on for a good 15 seconds ithout his arm up and both teams playing with the puck. He saw the entire thing. It was the LINESMAN who blew the whiste and stoped play once they saw that Gomez was seriously hurt.
Te ref then decided to call a 5 minute major on the play despite not calling one initially and giving Lee (ACES) 4 minutes for roughing for attacking Langdone after the play.
Both of those calls were incorrect IMO.
Now, as far as Gomez goes, he obviously did not return to the game. There are reports from the local news that he is in a Bakersfield hospital though details are sketchy One station is saying he has a broken pelvis and needs surgery. Another is saying that he has a broken hip and a possible severed artery in his leg.If the artery IS severed then he WILL require surgery. The local hospital that he was supposedly taken to has no comment on his condition or even if he has been admitted.
One reporter said that this could be a career ending injury, but that is just his opinion and I do not know how wise it was for him to say that on the air considering that noone had any concrete proof of what his injury was at the time. All he had to go on was speculation and he goes and makes a wreckless comment such as this.
Langdone will probably be suspended although in my opinion he shouldnt be. Ive seen worse hits than that go completely unpunished. As I said there were many contributing factors, the biggest of which was an ACES player opening the door right before impact and cooincidently, that is where Gomez was planted into.
I am interested to see the national reports on this stemming from people who werent there.
At any rate, this was one of the chippiest games I have seen. The Aces have one of the better fighters in the league IMO in Mike Lee and another tough guy in Kieth McCambridge and former Flame draftee Ryan Bast (you all remember him, right?).
At any rate it was a great game which Bakersfield won in OT 4-3. Game 5 is Monday in Alaska with the series tied 2-2.
Here is hoping that it isnt as serious as reported and that Gomez gets well soon.
stardog 04-17-2005, 04:39 AM Thought I'd pass this on to you Devils fans. In Game 4 of tonight's ECHL Playoff game between the Alaska Aces and the Bakersfield Condors, Scott Gomez suffered a serious injury and was taken to the hospital. Apparently, the door to the Aces bench was open and Gomez was checked into the open area while attempting to get to the puck. Reports as to the extent of the injury vary right now, but from what I'm seeing on other boards, it's more than likely he fractured either a hip or his pelvis. I'll keep my thoughts and prayers with him, as it's a horrible way to end what's been a stellar season for him.
Yeah I was there and wrote what I saw in another thread.
Rabid Husky 04-17-2005, 05:19 AM He lwas released from the hospital under his own power but on Crutches at about Midnight Pacific time....so that is encouraging
ratsgirl 04-17-2005, 09:42 AM http://www.adn.com/front/story/6388911p-6267865c.html
Gomez's pelvis broken in OT defeat to Condors
Alaska star hospitalized by cheap shot
BAKERSFIELD, Calif. -- Alaska Aces leading scorer Scott Gomez suffered a broken pelvis early in the second period when Bakersfield's Ashlee Langdone hit him into the open door of Alaska's bench as the Aces dropped a 4-3 overtime decision to the Condors in Game 4 of the ECHL West Division semifinals.
Gomez was treated at Bakersfield's Mercy Hospital and Aces coach Davis Payne expected him to be released to fly back to Anchorage with the team early this morning.
"He does not want to stay in this town any longer than he has to," Payne said.
Payne said Gomez' long-term recovery prospects are good, but that like any broken bone it needs time to heal.
DARKSIDE 04-17-2005, 02:04 PM Does anyone know how severe a broken pelvis is? And this is another reason the players and the league must settle. Getting injured in these minor league games is ridiculous and jeopardizing your career and millions of dollars would be tragic. Best wishes to Gomer! :clap:
Rabid Husky 04-17-2005, 02:58 PM Interesting quote from the coach saying he didn't want to stay in the town any longer
Jamie1 04-17-2005, 04:40 PM My brother hasn't heard too much yet he told me they are still trying to find out what is wrong. I think with him walking with crutches to me atleast sounds good. I didn't see the hit yet.
Bileur 04-18-2005, 01:47 AM Does anyone know how severe a broken pelvis is? And this is another reason the players and the league must settle. Getting injured in these minor league games is ridiculous and jeopardizing your career and millions of dollars would be tragic. Best wishes to Gomer! :clap:
I hope it isnt one of those things that will make him vulnerable to hits from now on..
Interesting quote from the coach saying he didn't want to stay in the town any longer
I noticed that too. Very intersting.
Safir* 04-18-2005, 04:54 AM Scott,
I wish you all the best and a fast recovery. Are the Devils gonna send any of the medical and physio therapist staff over to Alaska or bring him to New Jersey for the rehab?
BTW I can sorta relate to you "Gomer", since I also recover from a fracture (leg.)
Does anyone know how severe a broken pelvis is? And this is another reason the players and the league must settle. Getting injured in these minor league games is ridiculous and jeopardizing your career and millions of dollars would be tragic. Best wishes to Gomer! :clap:
Jonathan Girard of the Bruins broke his pelvis last summer in a car accident, he missed the entire year last season and lost a lot of weight. He might have come back this season but it wasn't a guarantee. I assume Gomez's injury is nowhere near how serious Girard's was though a car accident is a lot more serious than a hit.
4check22 04-18-2005, 11:40 AM Jonathan Girard of the Bruins broke his pelvis last summer in a car accident, he missed the entire year last season and lost a lot of weight. He might have come back this season but it wasn't a guarantee. I assume Gomez's injury is nowhere near how serious Girard's was though a car accident is a lot more serious than a hit.Girard's pelvis was shattered (broken in 4 different places). Gomez's injury is likely to be less serious as you said. I'd assume it will be somewhere in the 6-8 week range for healing.
Girard's pelvis was shattered (broken in 4 different places). Gomez's injury is likely to be less serious as you said. I'd assume it will be somewhere in the 6-8 week range for healing.
That's good to hear, it would suck if Gomez suffered a career threatening injury at the ECHL level.
garnetpalmetto 04-18-2005, 01:34 PM 'There's no excuse,' Gomez says of hit (http://adn.com/sports/aces/story/6392105p-6271268c.html) (Requires free registration, but you can bypass it through bugmenot.com)
Major points from the article
-Gomez fractured his pubis bone
-Recovery will be anywhere from 4-6 weeks to 3 months
Not mentioned in the article
-Ashlee Langdone was suspended by the ECHL today "pending review" of the incident. He'll definitely miss tonight's Game 5 between the Aces and the Condors.
Jamie1 04-18-2005, 05:43 PM Yeah it is fractured not broken they didn't get the results until I think it was saturday night or early sunday he had to go through a cat scan I believe it was to see what was wrong. He is walking with a cane and should be out 3-6 weeks I think his dad said it was. Somebody in the devils org (probably Lou) told gomez he has to quit because he doesn't want him to get hurt again. His dad was on a morning radio show and said that so it looks like his aces career is over for now atleast. it is a good thing langdone didn't come up because he probably would have been jumped by a few different people they added security to the arena also it's almost like a scene from slapshot. about an hour and a half ago there was about 700 tickets still available but they were going fast.
Safir* 04-18-2005, 06:10 PM Yeah it is fractured not broken they didn't get the results until I think it was saturday night or early sunday he had to go through a cat scan I believe it was to see what was wrong. He is walking with a cane and should be out 3-6 weeks I think his dad said it was. Somebody in the devils org (probably Lou) told gomez he has to quit because he doesn't want him to get hurt again. His dad was on a morning radio show and said that so it looks like his aces career is over for now atleast. it is a good thing langdone didn't come up because he probably would have been jumped by a few different people they added security to the arena also it's almost like a scene from slapshot. about an hour and a half ago there was about 700 tickets still available but they were going fast.
Fractured= broken.
Jamie1 04-18-2005, 06:21 PM Fractured= broken.
true but the way I see it is that if it was fractured it is less severe than a total break. But that is probably just me.
Safir* 04-18-2005, 06:33 PM true but the way I see it is that if it was fractured it is less severe than a total break. But that is probably just me.
Maybe you are thinking about "splinter (off)"?
If a bone splinters off, it's a lot nastier, than just a fracture. Mostly the stay in the hospital and the recovery takes a longer, when that happens.
Jamie1 04-18-2005, 06:38 PM No I am not thinking of splintered I don't think. By defination it is broke but the bone is basically cracked but not all the way if that makes sense. Basically a break to me would be that the pelvis bone has completely broke if that makes sense I am not sure how to explain it. It is broke but not all the way.
Rabid Husky 04-18-2005, 06:47 PM Wow..didn't realize just what he did.....he probably deserves to be suspended a lot longer than one game
Safir* 04-18-2005, 06:55 PM Basically a break to me would be that the pelvis bone has completely broke if that makes sense I am not sure how to explain it. It is broke but not all the way.
Well once again. A fracture a scientific expression for a broken bone.
Maybe another body part might help us to understand the situation a little better.
When, I broke my leg I had two fractures. My shine bone had a helix shaped fracture, but not not all the way through. My calf bone was broken all the way through.
Maybe splinter off isn't the correct word either. Maybe it's shattered. :dunno:
Jamie1 04-18-2005, 07:09 PM [QUOTE=TomACE]Well once again. A fracture a scientific expression for a broken bone.
Yeah that is why I said technically you are right that it is broken these pictures should help
This picture to me would be broken http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/sandman441/untitled.bmp
And this one to me would be fractured.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/sandman441/xcfafds.bmp
I have never broken a bone but I think I may have been a little off base with my first definition of a broken bone.
Safir* 04-18-2005, 07:16 PM I really don't know man. I'm not a medical expert. Maybe we are both right. :D
If you like to get an answer, why don't you take this topic to the lounge maybe somebody can resolve this little mistery. :dunno:
FLYLine24 04-18-2005, 07:22 PM I'll have to back Sandman..I think he is correct. A fracture is a crack that doesn't go through the whole bone and a break is where its completely cracked. But im not 100% either.
Safir* 04-18-2005, 07:29 PM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fracture
A fracture is the separation of a body into two, or more, pieces under the action of stress.
The word fracture is often applied to bones of living creatures.
Jamie1 04-18-2005, 07:39 PM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fracture
It is right but that is for crystals
individual crystals fracture without the body actually separating into two or more pieces
In medicine, fractures are classified as closed or open (compound) and simple or comminuted. Closed fractures are fractures where the skin is intact and there is no bone poking out while open (compound) fractures involve wounds that expose bone. These carry an elevated risk of infection and require urgent surgical treatment. The only method of accurately diagnosing a closed fracture is by having an X-Ray photograph taken of the injury. Simple fractures are fractures that occur along one line, splitting the bone into two pieces while comminuted fractures involve the bone splitting into multiple pieces.
I think what that means is that yes it is in two seperate pieces but they are together while a broken bone would have the bone out of place maybe poking through the skin and maybe even having to surgically go in there and putting the bone back in place manually. That actually makes me more confused now though.
EDIT
From what I have been hearing if it was broke he would be out for a couple of months. But since it isn't he is only out for about 3 to 6 weeks.
Double Edit :naughty:
Ok I was mistaken he has a hairline fracture and that is this. This is what I meant I just thought it was a fracture
a fracture without separation of the frgments and the line of the break being very thin
Jamie1 04-18-2005, 10:44 PM If anybody wants to listen to the game tonight you can go to www.alaskaaces.com it should start in about an hour and a half.
Hyped 04-19-2005, 01:29 AM I've had the "pleasure" of playing with Ashley Langdone on our summer hockey team here in Edmonton. It was a few years ago already, but the guy was a loon then. He's not that big, but he's not scared of anything. Now, I didn't see the hit on Gomez, but if I was to take an educated guess (after putting up with his antics for a summer or two), I'd say Ashley tried to hurt Gomez purposely. The guy seems to lack a conscience when he laces up the blades. I hope Gomez is able to make a full recovery...
Jamie1 04-19-2005, 01:46 AM I've had the "pleasure" of playing with Ashley Langdone on our summer hockey team here in Edmonton. It was a few years ago already, but the guy was a loon then. He's not that big, but he's not scared of anything. Now, I didn't see the hit on Gomez, but if I was to take an educated guess (after putting up with his antics for a summer or two), I'd say Ashley tried to hurt Gomez purposely. The guy seems to lack a conscience when he laces up the blades. I hope Gomez is able to make a full recovery...
From pretty much topic I have read about this the main thing I heard was that he was a no talent goon who can't win fights. I have never heard of him or seen him play so I am just going on what other people say. If there is going to be redemption Mike Lee is more than capable of handling himself. Actually Lee had a tryout with the maple leafs and his uncle was his agent and told him I think to score or something my brother told him to fight Domi because he is talented but he is a better fighter he listened to his uncle and never got looked at.
Jamie1 04-19-2005, 02:55 AM Well if you didn't listen the Aces won 6-2 I didn't listen to the whole game but sounded like a good one. Plus right now it sounds really loud I can barely hear the announcer.
bleedgreen 04-19-2005, 03:58 AM its a broken pubic bone - not a pelvis. he will require some rest and be fine. greatly exaggerated injury - thank god.
http://www.nypost.com/sports/devils/42956.htm
Jamie1 04-19-2005, 04:12 AM its a broken pubic bone - not a pelvis. he will require some rest and be fine. greatly exaggerated injury - thank god.
http://www.nypost.com/sports/devils/42956.htm
It helps form the pelvis
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pubic+bone
Safir* 04-19-2005, 04:28 AM Sandman, they are several different types of fractures. One of the later posts clears that up. :)
Thank God, it's not too serious.
Get Well Scott.
Jamie1 04-19-2005, 04:30 AM Sandman, they are several different types of fractures. One of the later posts clears that up. :)
Thank God, it's not too serious.
Get Well Scott.
Yeah, I was talking about a hairline fracture but I thought a fracture was a fracture.
4check22 04-19-2005, 10:14 AM its a broken pubic bone - not a pelvis. he will require some rest and be fine. greatly exaggerated injury - thank god.
http://www.nypost.com/sports/devils/42956.htm (http://www.nypost.com/sports/devils/42956.htm)I hope this article is correct. Mark (N)Everson is a fabricationist if that is a word. I doubt Lou even spoke to him. Well, Okay, maybe I took that a little too far.
DevilsFan38 04-19-2005, 02:09 PM I wouldn't trust the Post, but here's a few more articles that say the same thing.
Star-Ledger (http://www.nj.com/sportsflash/devils/index.ssf?/base/sports-5/1113858633247150.xml&storylist=njdevils)
New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/19/sports/hockey/19devils.html?)
Jared Ramsden 04-19-2005, 03:27 PM On The Score, it says he's only going to miss 4 weeks..........
Jamie1 04-19-2005, 11:00 PM On The Score, it says he's only going to miss 4 weeks..........
yeah his dad yesterday said 3 to 6 weeks he will be out but he won't be playing again.
banana phone 04-20-2005, 12:53 AM good news that he doesn't need surgery.
Jamie1 04-26-2005, 03:34 AM Aces won tonight they swept the ice dogs. I didn't go to the game but on the news they showed gomez with his trophy and he was holding it on the ice showing it around I didn't see his dad or a cane but it was about a 5 second clip.
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