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ALLDUCKS 04-07-2005, 12:59 AM - Ducks sale to be put to a NHL board of governors vote April 20
- Al Coates gone
- Tim Ryan expected to be named team president once sale is approved
- Kevin Gilmore (Kings Assistant GM) said to be first choice for new GM. Samueil's Group expected to seek permission to from Kings to speak with him.
- Neil Smith to be interviewed this week for GM
- Brian Burke also being considered for GM
- Dean Lombardi interested in GM position
http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/d...ports-nhl-ducks (http://www.latimes.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ducks/la-sp-ducks6apr06,1,3491021.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nhl-ducks)
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Bobby Ryan Getzlaf 04-07-2005, 02:41 AM Interesting. I'm hoping Burke decides he wants to work in Anaheim, or at least Lombardi. Either one would be a superb choice. Although, I thought Lombardi just wanted to be a scout now. Odd that he's interested in the job, but if the new ownership wants him, I see it being a good fit.
Ducks_è_Halos 04-07-2005, 02:44 AM I want Brian Burke.
Chistov23 04-07-2005, 02:58 AM Thanks for the find ALLDUCKS. Well in a way I am glad to see them caring about the team even though we are in the lockout. I am not to happy with them cutting ties with coates like they are though. Why not keep him for the job he did before Murray left? I also would like to have Burke, Lombardi wouldn't be a bad choice either. I don't know much on the Gilmoure fellow and wouldn't really want to see Smith come in.
McDonald19 04-07-2005, 03:02 AM What did Coates do wrong?
He did the Gerber and Havelid trades right? Ok trades in my opinion.
edit: Prospal trade as well.
Please not Lombardi. Under him, the Sharks were always competent, but never more than that. And he had a bad habit of throwing in draft picks into nearly every trade, often for older players near the end of their contracts.
During one 3-4 year stretch, he gave up nearly 2 years worth of draft picks in various trades, always in deadline deals to help the Sharks squeak into the postseason and save his job, while hurting the team long-term. I mean, were John Maclean, Mike Vernon, or Adam Graves really going to get the Sharks any closer to a Cup?
This is the same GM that essentially gave away a shot at Lecavalier, gave away a bunch of players to rent Belfour for a few weeks, and overpaid in trades to get guys like Mike Vernon. He blew a lot of money on 7 figure deals for 4th liners like Ewen and Harvey, then cried about how he didn't have enough money to sign Nabokov or to go land an impact UFA that could have put them over the top.
The one time he rolled the dice and took a risk on a major impact player was when he traded for Selanne ... who as we know was declining fast. I just don't think this guy does his homework scouting wise, which isn't surprising since he didn't start out as a hockey guy, he began in the NHL as a contract negotiator/lawyer first.
Gimme Burke, or even Smith, instead of Lombardi.
Pepper 04-07-2005, 11:12 AM Neil Smith - no frigging way! That guy did horrible in Rangers.
Burke sounds cool, he likes physical teams and Ducks are slowly becoming more and more physical.
Neil Smith - no frigging way! That guy did horrible in Rangers.
Sure, he burned the team's future for the present. But at least in doing so, he brought his team a Cup, which is more than most GMs who try to do the same are capable of.
Burke's clearly the best fit, though, and not just in the hockey sense.
Old Hickory 04-07-2005, 01:46 PM Interjecting as a neutral third party, you guys can think I am not since as I am Kings fan.
Burke is not the best choice. I know the guy is charasmatic and everyone likes him. Remember he did not build the Canuck team, Keenan did. He inherited a great team and didn't make the obvious necessary changes to take that team to the next level. I have long been a critic of Burke, the Canucks are one of my favorite teams.
Take a look at this thread, it's a little extreme, but it makes some good points
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=121633&
I am little more pro Lombardi than mmbt, he drafts well, but from what I heard most of the trades he made to acquire older players were pressure to win now from the former owners
Neil Smith is interesting. Don't judge him by the end of his tenure in NY. He did a great job building that Rangers team that won the cup.
Coates didn't do anything wrong Mc Donald19, it's common for new ownership to want to bring in "their" people to make the stamp on the franchise.
Kevin Gilmore would be a very good GM, for selfish reasons I would rather he stay with the Kings :)
Tawnos 04-07-2005, 02:04 PM Neil Smith did a great job with the Rangers. His draft record was extremely solid in the early days. He drafted Amonte, Weight, Kovalev, Zubov, Marchant, Norstrom, Sundstrom etc. He made the deals for Messier, Graves, Beukeboom and Larmer. His deadline deals in 94 should go down as the epitome of what you're supposed to do on deadline day. Every single one of his trades made an impact on the Cup win. He brought in Gretzky and that led his team to the Conference finals in 1997. Yes, he essentially drove Mess out of town and that started this horrible run. But his tenure with the Rangers was great, and anyone who says otherwise forgets their history.
S.S. Giggy 04-07-2005, 02:20 PM I'm going to be a little more biase towards Smith and Brian Burke.
They did build their teams into solid cup contenders from time and time again.
Lombardi did build the Sharks, but remember that downfall when he had that contract conflict with Nabokov that caused the Sharks to plow downwards. I'm not sure about him.
Kevin Gilmore is someone that I've never even heard of so I don't know.
Neil Smith did a great job with the Rangers. His draft record was extremely solid in the early days. He drafted Amonte, Weight, Kovalev, Zubov, Marchant, Norstrom, Sundstrom etc.
He started out as a highly regarded scout, so it's not surprising that he'd have a decent track record in drafting.
Burke is not the best choice. I know the guy is charasmatic and everyone likes him. Remember he did not build the Canuck team, Keenan did. He inherited a great team and didn't make the obvious necessary changes to take that team to the next level.
His one big failing was not seriously addressing the problem in net, but that's not a huge issue if he were to land the Anaheim job. That is, unless he traded away Giguere.
Old Hickory 04-07-2005, 04:13 PM His one big failing was not seriously addressing the problem in net, but that's not a huge issue if he were to land the Anaheim job. That is, unless he traded away Giguere.
Remember they didn't have a second line for years either.
Bobby Ryan Getzlaf 04-07-2005, 08:38 PM What did Coates do wrong?
He did the Gerber and Havelid trades right? Ok trades in my opinion.
edit: Prospal trade as well.
He didn't do anything wrong, but it's obvious they's rather have someone else. It's not like they're releasing him, either. They just aren't renewing his contract. It also looks like they want to start anew.
Pepper 04-08-2005, 06:01 AM I hear Tony Tavares & Pierre Gauthier are available...
Hockeyfan02 04-09-2005, 01:01 AM What did Coates do wrong?
He did the Gerber and Havelid trades right? Ok trades in my opinion.
edit: Prospal trade as well.
Well I didn't like the dealing of Prospal. Sure it's to my other favorite team the Lightning, but basically the Ducks paid him 6.5 for one year and now the Lightning get him at a reduced price with the bulk of the contract already paid. I didnt think he needed to be moved especially since this team already lacked offense with him. Once he got comfortable, he played well during the 2nd half.
But I agree Coates didnt do anything wrong to make him lose the job. It's more of ownership wanting to make a bang and have "their guy" as GM instead of a GM inherited from the previous regime. Seems like each candidate has a fault. Burke and Lombardi couldn't get their contending teams to the next level. Smith won a cup, but pretty much screwed the organization for years to come. Don't know much about the Kings asst. gm, but I'd rather go with a proven guy who has his faults than an unknown.
Street Hawk 04-09-2005, 01:42 AM Please not Lombardi. Under him, the Sharks were always competent, but never more than that. And he had a bad habit of throwing in draft picks into nearly every trade, often for older players near the end of their contracts.
During one 3-4 year stretch, he gave up nearly 2 years worth of draft picks in various trades, always in deadline deals to help the Sharks squeak into the postseason and save his job, while hurting the team long-term. I mean, were John Maclean, Mike Vernon, or Adam Graves really going to get the Sharks any closer to a Cup?
This is the same GM that essentially gave away a shot at Lecavalier, gave away a bunch of players to rent Belfour for a few weeks, and overpaid in trades to get guys like Mike Vernon. He blew a lot of money on 7 figure deals for 4th liners like Ewen and Harvey, then cried about how he didn't have enough money to sign Nabokov or to go land an impact UFA that could have put them over the top.
The one time he rolled the dice and took a risk on a major impact player was when he traded for Selanne ... who as we know was declining fast. I just don't think this guy does his homework scouting wise, which isn't surprising since he didn't start out as a hockey guy, he began in the NHL as a contract negotiator/lawyer first.
Gimme Burke, or even Smith, instead of Lombardi.
Don't want to burst your bubble, but Burkie is also known for throwing draft picks around.
In 1999, he gave up a 2nd for Crawford. But, it was worth it.
In 1999 he also he got bluffed out by Dudley and gave up 2 3rd rounders to make sure he could get the Sedin twins after landing the Blackhawk's #1 pick.
In 2000, he dealt a pair of draft picks to the Devils for Sharifjanov.
In 2001, he had 3 2nd round draft picks that year, but send 1 off for Drake Berehowsky. Sent another 2nd along with Aucoin to TB for Cloutier. Then sent the last one to Florida to get Alex Auld.
In 2002, he deals the #1 pick for a 3/4 liner in Linden.
In 2004, deals a pair of 2nd and 3rd rounders to get Sanderson and Rucinsky.
Burke's best assets are that he wants to bring exciting hockey to the fans. So, Babcock has to dump the trap style or get dumped himself. Burke, tries hard to get the players locked up to fair contracts.
So, as long as the Ducks have a solid scouting staff, Burke will leave them alone and let them do their job. Just keep him away from trading too many draft picks and you should be fine.
Don't want to burst your bubble, but Burkie is also known for throwing draft picks around.
Yeah, but when he does it it's much more justifiable. Lombardi threw away a ton of picks on guys who were going to be UFAs within a year or so, so he could have had them for nothing in the near future. That's a wee bit different than giving up picks for longer term assets like the Sedins. There's also quite a bit of difference between giving up picks for veterans when the Canucks had become good, and giving up picks for veterans when the Sharks were still a mere bubble team with no real shot at a long playoff run.
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