Kariya?

Does anybody know what Paul is up to during this lockout? I haven't heard anything about him or what he's doing. Where can we expect to see him once (if ever) hockey starts up again?

Check between Selanne's legs.... That's where he was last offseason.

I was wondering how long that would take... :D

he was skating with friesen, carney, leclerc, shields, giguere, karpa, selanne and some other guys at disney ice during this winter...

Check between Selanne's legs.... That's where he was last offseason.


:lol:

Burn

he was skating with friesen, carney, leclerc, shields, giguere, karpa, selanne and some other guys at disney ice during this winter...
Christ, what a loser convention that had to be.

Christ, what a loser convention that had to be.
:lol Good to have you back CFOB.

Christ, what a loser convention that had to be.
******* ;) :madfire:

Last news I heard on Kariya was that he was in Vancouver.

His agent and the canucks both commented to the media that they had discussion on him signing there, but the team didn't want to make a commitment until they knew what the new CBA would be like and if they could afford him... this news was released back in October at the early stages of the lockout.

The rumoured amount that both sides had agreed on was $4-4.5mill/yr on a 4 yr deal.... this only works for the canucks, if the cap is at or over $45mill, or if Naslund retires, and why the team decided to wait until the lockout was done to sign him.

Kariya wants a long term deal, but the canucks would only offer that if they knew the situation with the CBA.

take it for what it's worth... when you have a guy like Kariya in town, and the team has talked, the media will jump all over it... so I don't know what the reality is with the numbers and lengths they've actually discussed...

Last offseason, Whitney was also in Vancouver, and he went on a hockey talk show in Vancouver saying that he has had talks with the canucks and would like to play there... but it wasn't until later that the canucks said they had no interest in Whitney at the contract he was looking to get, and he signed with Detroit.

media in Vancouver love their hockey... so if Kariya is seen anywhere near the Vancouver organization, speculation starts to fly... although hearing from both sides - Kariya's agent and the canucks - that they have talked and are interested, there's gotta be something there.

My guess is that the canucks see Kariya as Naslund's replacement if Naslund retires (as he's hinted he would), and that's why the 4 yr term is being discussed... but as long as Naslund is here, it doesn't make sense for the canucks to give Kariya that kinda contract.

Kariya wants a long term deal, but the canucks would only offer that if they knew the situation with the CBA.

Oh sure, NOW he wants a long term deal. Now that he's seen as declining, potentially damaged goods.

Oh sure, NOW he wants a long term deal. Now that he's seen as declining, potentially damaged goods.

what else would you expect? that he wants the insecurity of a short term deal, now that he's gotten that UFA status he wanted, and doesn't have to sign for under the league's average to get it?

this is what I've heard anyways about it... from the numbers I've heard it is a risk signing him for that much, over that term, especially in a new CBA... although the canucks might not have much leverage if Naslund decides to retire.

what else would you expect? that he wants the insecurity of a short term deal, now that he's gotten that UFA status he wanted, and doesn't have to sign for under the league's average to get it?

Oh, I never expected anything but from the little punk. When he was still good, he always took short deals so that he would be paid according to his performance ... which was easy for him to say seeing as how the only way he could get a paycut was for the team to make him a free agent by not qualifying him.

Now that his plan to cash in big after riding Sakic/Forsberg's coattails to huge offensive numbers has gone belly-up, even he must realize that he's a risky investment, and the idea of a long-term deal (which he was always staunchly against, out of principle of course) is suddenly quite appealing to him.

Oh, I never expected anything but from the little punk. When he was still good, he always took short deals so that he would be paid according to his performance ... which was easy for him to say seeing as how the only way he could get a paycut was for the team to make him a free agent by not qualifying him.

Now that his plan to cash in big after riding Sakic/Forsberg's coattails to huge offensive numbers has gone belly-up, even he must realize that he's a risky investment, and the idea of a long-term deal (which he was always staunchly against, out of principle of course) is suddenly quite appealing to him.

I agree basically...

but you have to admit, from a strictly financial point of view he's been very successful.

He's probably made more money in his career up until now than most players his age, who have played the same number of years in the NHL... financially speaking the results seemed to come from a planned decision.

Last year was really his only contract year that didn't work out perfectly for him.... I'm sure he thought going in, that playing with Sakic or Forsberg and with Selanne, he had a good shot at hitting huge numbers, and then score that last big contract in free agency while still under the old system.... it didn't happen.

But on the flip side, he still gets that option at unrestricted free agency - which players his calibre never get at the age he's at... worst case for him he lost $5 or so mill last year, but still has UFA status... and he's more than made up for that loss with his contracts prior to that.

In his situation, would you do things differently? I think all in all, his decisions turned out well in the end for him. Sucks for the Ducks since he was a high drafted superstar out of the organization that didn't stick there through his prime years... but as a hockey player you gotta also think about what's best for you, financially, and in that regard I'm sure he's got no regrets with how things turned out.

Right now he's probably the top UFA left winger on the free agent market. He's probably one of the youngest star calibre UFAs... and he gets to head into a new CBA able to negotiate with any team in the league, as an UFA, under a new CBA. When things settle down and we know the cap numbers and the rest of the CBA I'm sure he'll analyze his options and find a team where he can get the most $$ with the most security.

seems to me that his agent's done his job here, and Kariya is in a pretty good situation... it's now time for him to want that long term deal as he's in the prime of his career right now... no surprise that he'd want it in Vancouver, where he grew up, and I wouldn't be surprised if privately he may even be hoping for Naslund to retire, so he's got more leverage to sign there. In the end though I think it'll still come down to the best overall situation for him, and if there's another team that can give him that long term security, the most $$, and the right role, he'll probably sign there.

Before, I thought he'd definetely be interested in coming back, but I didn't think there'd be alot of chance he'd be wanted back. Now, I think there's a great chance he'll be back. The new owner's wife is a huge Ducks fan, and I'm guessing she didn't start liking them after Kariya left. Well, either she's a hardcore fan and hates him, or she's a fan of his, and if it's the latter, if he wants to come back, he will be back.

Before, I thought he'd definetely be interested in coming back, but I didn't think there'd be alot of chance he'd be wanted back. Now, I think there's a great chance he'll be back. The new owner's wife is a huge Ducks fan, and I'm guessing she didn't start liking them after Kariya left. Well, either she's a hardcore fan and hates him, or she's a fan of his, and if it's the latter, if he wants to come back, he will be back.

I don't see it happening.

Need top 6 forward spots for Getzlaf, Chistov, Lupul, Perry, and the other young players while still having Rucchin, Feds, Leclerc and Sykora in the mix.

I think it's more likely for Paul to sign in L.A. then it is in Vancouver....

I think it's more likely for Paul to sign in L.A. then it is in Vancouver....

I wouldn't say more likely. He is from Vancouver and it may be time to go back home. He does like So. Cal so I'm sure he would take 5 or 6 million a year from LA if they are dumb enough to offer it.

I don't see it happening.

Need top 6 forward spots for Getzlaf, Chistov, Lupul, Perry, and the other young players while still having Rucchin, Feds, Leclerc and Sykora in the mix.

I don't think the needs of the team matters. Just down the street it's been proved you can go home again(Robataille), but that's not my point. The point is that if Samuelli's wife is indeed a Kariya fan, he'll probably come back.

Put yourself in that situation, but as owner of the Predators or something. And your favorite player(I'm assume McDonald because of the name) is UFA. You'd probably want to pick him up, right? But here's the thing: you might not because you know it hurts the team. I doubt Mrs.Samuelli's that hardcore of a fan, though, to realize that adding Paul might not help that much.

Then again, if she hated Paul for leaving, there's no chance he'll be back.

I don't think the needs of the team matters. Just down the street it's been proved you can go home again(Robataille), but that's not my point. The point is that if Samuelli's wife is indeed a Kariya fan, he'll probably come back.

Put yourself in that situation, but as owner of the Predators or something. And your favorite player(I'm assume McDonald because of the name) is UFA. You'd probably want to pick him up, right? But here's the thing: you might not because you know it hurts the team. I doubt Mrs.Samuelli's that hardcore of a fan, though, to realize that adding Paul might not help that much.

Then again, if she hated Paul for leaving, there's no chance he'll be back.

It depends on the relationship between the new owner and Al Coates. I like it a lot better when the owner allows the GM to do his job.

seems to me that his agent's done his job here, and Kariya is in a pretty good situation... it's now time for him to want that long term deal as he's in the prime of his career right now...

He'll be 31 in October of this year, so I'd say he's a bit past his prime. In fact, production wise his prime passed long ago.

I wouldn't say more likely. He is from Vancouver and it may be time to go back home. He does like So. Cal so I'm sure he would take 5 or 6 million a year from LA if they are dumb enough to offer it.True he's from Vancouver, but you ahve to figure that he conisders the L.A.-Anaheim area more of his home, I mean he's spent the past 10 or so years here right?

I have a distinct feeling Paul is going to be the Kings top "signing" when the NHL rolls back out.....

I wouldn't say more likely. He is from Vancouver and it may be time to go back home.
If that was the case, every Canadian player would be playing for the Leafs, Canucks or Habs or in baseball every guy would be playing for The Dodgers, Angels or Padres.
There was some news leaked that Kariya was very close to signing with the Kings. It's much more likely he signs in LA than in Vancouver

I hope he does sign in LA, he's a shell of the player he once was.

If that was the case, every Canadian player would be playing for the Leafs, Canucks or Habs or in baseball every guy would be playing for The Dodgers, Angels or Padres.
There was some news leaked that Kariya was very close to signing with the Kings. It's much more likely he signs in LA than in Vancouver

I'd stick to rebuild if I were you guys. Wasting 4-6 million a year on Kariya while only getting half of Palffy's production isn't the best idea.

I'd stick to rebuild if I were you guys.
I would too

On the Avs' board it says that Paul's brother, Steve Kariya, reported during an interview with a Finnish newspaper that Paul was too busy surfing this year to play hockey... :amazed:

On the Avs' board it says that Paul's brother, Steve Kariya, reported during an interview with a Finnish newspaper that Paul was too busy surfing this year to play hockey... :amazed:

Whats so shocking about that? I use that excuse all the time

On the Avs' board it says that Paul's brother, Steve Kariya, reported during an interview with a Finnish newspaper that Paul was too busy surfing this year to play hockey... :amazed:

yeah "surfing". He's riding Selanne's wood.

Sorry about the continued cracks, but I still havent forgiven that little ******* for leaving a Western Conference championship team because he wanted to be with his lover.

I would too
So would I.

I agree basically...

but you have to admit, from a strictly financial point of view he's been very successful.

He's probably made more money in his career up until now than most players his age, who have played the same number of years in the NHL... financially speaking the results seemed to come from a planned decision.

Last year was really his only contract year that didn't work out perfectly for him.... I'm sure he thought going in, that playing with Sakic or Forsberg and with Selanne, he had a good shot at hitting huge numbers, and then score that last big contract in free agency while still under the old system.... it didn't happen.

But on the flip side, he still gets that option at unrestricted free agency - which players his calibre never get at the age he's at... worst case for him he lost $5 or so mill last year, but still has UFA status... and he's more than made up for that loss with his contracts prior to that.

In his situation, would you do things differently? I think all in all, his decisions turned out well in the end for him. Sucks for the Ducks since he was a high drafted superstar out of the organization that didn't stick there through his prime years... but as a hockey player you gotta also think about what's best for you, financially, and in that regard I'm sure he's got no regrets with how things turned out.

Right now he's probably the top UFA left winger on the free agent market. He's probably one of the youngest star calibre UFAs... and he gets to head into a new CBA able to negotiate with any team in the league, as an UFA, under a new CBA. When things settle down and we know the cap numbers and the rest of the CBA I'm sure he'll analyze his options and find a team where he can get the most $$ with the most security.

seems to me that his agent's done his job here, and Kariya is in a pretty good situation... it's now time for him to want that long term deal as he's in the prime of his career right now... no surprise that he'd want it in Vancouver, where he grew up, and I wouldn't be surprised if privately he may even be hoping for Naslund to retire, so he's got more leverage to sign there. In the end though I think it'll still come down to the best overall situation for him, and if there's another team that can give him that long term security, the most $$, and the right role, he'll probably sign there.
Uhh the ducks offered him an 18 million dollar deal over 3 years before he bolted after making 10 million for several years...oh yeah he also gave his word he would re-sign and then left ASAP.

Anyways, I heard he's basically signed sealed and delivered to the flyers.

I don't see it happening.

Need top 6 forward spots for Getzlaf, Chistov, Lupul, Perry, and the other young players while still having Rucchin, Feds, Leclerc and Sykora in the mix.
Chistov doesn't deserve a top 6 spot, he has no heart. Hopefully Feds opts out as soon as he can so we can get someone who cares.

I'd say the Ducks should make a run for Steve Kariya :D he's grittier and he won the regular season scoring award in the SM-Liiga ^^