Duck Transactions [Archive]

Jshibley

09-22-2003, 10:50 AM

Assigned centers Keith Aucoin, Tony Martensson, Joel Perrault, Igor Pohanka and Nick Smith, right wings Pierre Parenteau and Cory Pecker, left wings Casey Hankinson and Chris Kunitz, defensemen Juha Alen, Chris Armstrong, Shane O'Brien and Todd Reirden, and goaltender Eddy Ferhi to Cincinnati (AHL); released left wing Sandro Sbrocca.

I didn't know we signed O'Brien....thats pretty sweet, I liked him in the rookie tourny.....

Jerky Leclerc

09-22-2003, 10:54 AM

Looks like a few players are getting longer looks...aka Getzlaf, Holmqvist, Lupul, Popovic. How many cuts do we have left?

Jshibley

09-22-2003, 11:03 AM

Looks like a few players are getting longer looks...aka Getzlaf, Holmqvist, Lupul, Popovic. How many cuts do we have left?

The rookies still left are:

Lupul
Burnett
Getzlaf
Holmqvist
Mottau
Popovic
Bryzgalov
Severson

Jshibley

09-22-2003, 11:08 AM

Looks like a few players are getting longer looks...aka Getzlaf, Holmqvist, Lupul, Popovic. How many cuts do we have left?

If I counted right we have 30 players left on our roster, we have 27 not counting Leclerc Bylsma and McDonald....I believe that means we have only 4 cuts left.

vroom96

09-22-2003, 11:43 AM

If I counted right we have 30 players left on our roster, we have 27 not counting Leclerc Bylsma and McDonald....I believe that means we have only 4 cuts left.
Pretty much Bryz, Mottau and Popovic (unless we get a surprise) will be sent down. The big question is which forward? Tough call.

The other question is how will the waiver affect us?

Jerky Leclerc

09-22-2003, 12:20 PM

Pretty much Bryz, Mottau and Popovic (unless we get a surprise) will be sent down. The big question is which forward? Tough call.

The other question is how will the waiver affect us?

Not to forget Getzlaf. I have a sense Popovic will make it. I don't think the Ducks want to use Ward as the #7 Dman. He is a better utility guy like Trepanier.

moneyp

09-22-2003, 12:51 PM

We're not going to keep a rookie like Getzlaf or Lupul around just to sit on his ass, either. They're going to be in the lineup or they're down in Cincy (or in Getzlaf's case, juniors). This is one of the reasons we signed somebody like Craig Johnson. He doesn't mind sitting.

Right now, the math isn't adding up to me. I can't see us going into the season carrying three or four rooks on the roster and sitting two of them down. I guess I can see carrying eight D (Ward, Mottau) with Holmqvist as one of our "extra guys" and Lupul getting a third line spot. Ward can also fill in on the fourth line if need be.

Either that or we sign a vet.

vroom96

09-22-2003, 01:56 PM

Here are the guys left:

G: Bryzgalov, Gerber, Giguere
D: Carney, Havelid, Mottau, Ozolinsh, Popovic, Salei, Sauer, Vishnevski, Ward
F: Burnett, Chistov, Fedorov, Getzlaf, Holmquist, Johnson, Krog, Lupul, McDonald, Niedermayer, Pahlsson, Prospal, Rucchin, Severson, Smirnov, Skyora

IR: Byslma, Leclerc

I expect Bryz, Mottau and probably Popovic to be sent down. McDonald will probably not start the season in the lineup, so that leaves another forward/center to be sent down. Therefore, we'll end up with 2 goalies, 7 defensemen and 14 forwards/centers.

I'd really like to see Getzlaf get a taste for a few games before going back to the juniors but I am not sure who to send down if not him. I have not been impressed with Smirnov this training camp and would rather see him start the season in Cincy but I doubt that's going to happen. I also can't see the Ducks choosing Getzlaf over Lupul right now. Burnett is our enforcer. There are going to be some tough decisions coming.

I haven't looked at our first dozen games. If we're not playing a bunch of physical teams, it is possible we could drop Burnett and let Getzlaf stay and then call up Burnett afterward.

Jshibley

09-22-2003, 02:27 PM

Not to forget Getzlaf. I have a sense Popovic will make it. I don't think the Ducks want to use Ward as the #7 Dman. He is a better utility guy like Trepanier.

I think the next to be cut will be Bryzgalov, Mottau, and Getzlaf.... wich would mean that only one more player would need to be cut out of

Lupul, Holmqvist, Burnett, Severson, and Popovic.... Out of those 5 players thats a tough call....my best bet would be it depends on if we would rather have an extra D-man or if we think we need an enforcer.....i think the last cut will be either Burnett or Popovic.

Jshibley

09-22-2003, 02:36 PM

McDonald19

09-22-2003, 02:38 PM

Jshibley

09-22-2003, 02:43 PM

It would seem unlikely that the Ducks would sign Shane O'Brien to a contract and then have him play in the AHL, since he has Junior eligibility...but then it was strange that he wasnt sent back to Juniors with Tim Brent(since they are on the same OHL team)...

what do you guys think?

That is axactly what I was thinking. I figuered he would have another year in juniors before we signed him.....but if he was sent to cinci I would assume that he is allready under contract.....

Rooch

09-22-2003, 02:54 PM

Another thing.....we all know McDonald is the man, but even if he was healthy at the begining of the season, I think it may be a good idea for him to start the season in cinci, to kind act like a training camp for him. I am sure a lot of people may disagree, but I think that it might be best for him to get a few minor league games under his belt to make sure he's ready for the NHL again....

i agree with you. mcdonald needs to get ready for the hitting, and bulk back up to his playing weight. its gonna be real hard for him putting on 14 pounds and trying to duck another foote body bomb. put him in the minors for conditioning. they still hit pretty good in the "a" too, but its slower down there.

i really hope popo gets his shot. last year babcock siad he was good, but they had to cut him, and for mark to prove he belonged there. platooning him with vish would be a good idea, whereas ward would be a great utility.

also signing another vet would help, i'm not entirely sure Lupul is ready. looks like getz is the one with all the eyes on him.

moneyp

09-22-2003, 03:03 PM

I don't think Andy Mac is even part of the equation until he can skate with contact. Right now, there is no timetable on his return.

Hahahahahhaha

09-22-2003, 06:43 PM

Wouldn't he have to clear waivers?

Hank

09-22-2003, 07:17 PM

It would seem unlikely that the Ducks would sign Shane O'Brien to a contract and then have him play in the AHL, since he has Junior eligibility...but then it was strange that he wasnt sent back to Juniors with Tim Brent(since they are on the same OHL team)...

O'Brien is older than Brent and that makes all the difference. Since he's going to be 20 on 9/15 (the cut off date if I remember right) he can play in the AHL. Brent was drafted a year earlier but still will only be 19 as of the cut off. In his case he has to go back to the OHL.

McDonald19

09-22-2003, 07:28 PM

Sounds good to me...thanks for the info...
at 6'2 232 O'brien is definetly ready physically to play in the AHL. :D

McDonald19

09-22-2003, 07:34 PM

Wouldn't he have to clear waivers?

I think he would have to now that you mention it...I was already 95% sure he wouldnt play in the AHL for any reason this year...if he would have to pass waivers then im 100% sure he will be Injured Reserve or NHL but no AHL.

lux_interior

09-23-2003, 09:02 AM

Tiki

09-23-2003, 09:41 AM

If I'm not mistaken, I don't think Getzlaf is under contract yet. In which case it would seem unlikely that he would start the season in the NHL. They would have to sign him to an entry level contract first.

When the Islander signed Tim Connolly after his draft it was a down to the last minute deal. I belive that Ryan would have to be signed before that season starts but that type of thing has happened before.

Still I don't see him makeing a team like the Ducks, but its not completely out of reach.

Hank

09-23-2003, 09:47 AM

When the Islander signed Tim Connolly after his draft it was a down to the last minute deal. I belive that Ryan would have to be signed before that season starts but that type of thing has happened before.

Part of the issue is can they (do they want to) fit anther $1+ million salary into the budget right now. Getzlaf wil certainly get the rookie cap plus bonuses and I don't think they'll want to pay him that. Not with Smirnov and Lupul already signed.

lux_interior

09-23-2003, 10:02 AM

Part of the issue is can they (do they want to) fit anther $1+ million salary into the budget right now. Getzlaf wil certainly get the rookie cap plus bonuses and I don't think they'll want to pay him that. Not with Smirnov and Lupul already signed.
Not unless he REALLY impresses this pre-season and camp. BTW, how much is the rookie cap?

Hahahahahhaha

09-23-2003, 10:16 AM

Around 1.2, isn't it?

McDonald19

09-23-2003, 02:44 PM

The O.C. Register article today explained things pretty well:

the roster is at 29.
McDonald, Leclerc and Bylsma will be on the I.R.
that leaves 26.
Bryzgalov, one D and one F will be cut.
:teach:
So which D and which F?

Its either Popovic or Mottau and either Getzlaf or Lupul.

Id pick Popovic and Lupul to stay on the team for now...Mottau as first AHL defensive callup if there is an injury...and Getzlaf given the opportunity to have a strong year in Juniors.

Do you guys think those are the right 4 players to choose from...any other candidates? Seems like the team wants to keep an agitator(Severson) and an enforcer (Burnett)...Holmqvist?Smirnov?

Hank

09-23-2003, 03:29 PM

The O.C. Register article today explained things pretty well:

the roster is at 29.

Either the OCR or I can't count, I have the roster at 30.

1. Prospal
2. Fedorov
3. Sykora
4. Niedermayer
5. Rucchin
6. Chistov
7. Pahlsson
8. Krog
9. Johnson
10. Smirnov
11. Lupul
12. Holmqvist
13. Burnett
14. Severson (to be cut)
15. Getzlaf (back to Juniors)
16. Leclerc (IR)
17. McDonald (IR)
18. Bylsma (IR)

19. Carney
20. Ozolinsh
21. Salei
22. Havelid
23. Sauer
24. Vish
25. Ward (can play F or D)
26. Popovic (I'd keep as 8th defenseman over Severson)
27. Mottau (to be cut)

28. Giguere
29. Gerber
30. Bryzgalov (to be cut)

stalbert1

09-23-2003, 03:56 PM

Mighty Ducks of Anaheim - Assigned defenseman Mike Mottau to Cincinnati of the American Hockey League.

Getzlaf is most likely to return to junior, Mark Popovic and Ilja Bryzgalov to Cincy.

Hahahahahhaha

09-23-2003, 04:07 PM

Either the OCR or I can't count, I have the roster at 30.

1. Prospal
2. Fedorov
3. Sykora
4. Niedermayer
5. Rucchin
6. Chistov
7. Pahlsson
8. Krog
9. Johnson
10. Smirnov
11. Lupul
12. Holmqvist
13. Burnett
14. Severson (to be cut)
15. Getzlaf (back to Juniors)
16. Leclerc (IR)
17. McDonald (IR)
18. Bylsma (IR)

19. Carney
20. Ozolinsh
21. Salei
22. Havelid
23. Sauer
24. Vish
25. Ward (can play F or D)
26. Popovic (I'd keep as 8th defenseman over Severson)
27. Mottau (to be cut)

28. Giguere
29. Gerber
30. Bryzgalov (to be cut)
It's a leap year, so Gerber doesn't count.

Jshibley

09-23-2003, 04:15 PM

It says here that there is only 28 left:

CINCINNATI, Ohio - The Cincinnati Mighty Ducks were assigned defenseman Mike Mottau by the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim on Tuesday.

Mottau had six goals and 30 assists in 61 games between Hartford and Saint John of the AHL last season. The 6-foot-0, 193-pounder also appeared in four games with Calgary, going scoreless.

A native of Quincy, Massachusetts, the 25-year-old Mottau won the Hobey Baker Award as the nation's top U.S. collegiate player in 1999-00 at Boston College as a senior, becoming the first defenseman to win the award since Tom Kurvers in 1984.

With the assignment of Mottau the Mighty Ducks now have 28 players on their training camp roster, including 20 players assigned by Anaheim.

Cincinnati opens its seventh AHL training camp Monday, September 29 at the Mighty Ducks Skating Center (2250 Seymour Avenue). All training camp workout sessions are open to the public.

The Mighty Ducks open the 2003-04 regular-season at 7:35 p.m. October 11 at Cincinnati Gardens vs. the Toronto Roadrunners.

Jshibley

09-23-2003, 04:19 PM

Mighty Ducks of Anaheim - Assigned defenseman Mike Mottau to Cincinnati of the American Hockey League.

Getzlaf is most likely to return to junior, Mark Popovic and Ilja Bryzgalov to Cincy.

This is the most likely scenerio, I am sure Popovic will be called up sometime during the season.

McDonald19

09-23-2003, 05:30 PM

Mighty Ducks of Anaheim - Assigned defenseman Mike Mottau to Cincinnati of the American Hockey League.

Getzlaf is most likely to return to junior, Mark Popovic and Ilja Bryzgalov to Cincy.

Was Mottau sent to Cinn. today? He wasnt in the group of 14 cuts from yesterday... :dunno:

McDonald19

09-23-2003, 05:34 PM

If it comes down to choosing between Burnett or Severson for the enforcer role...the Ducks have to keep Burnett...Severson would get knocked out if he dropped the gloves with someone like George Laraque, Scott parker, etc...but I wouldnt mind Severson as an agitator with Burnett as the enforcer if they can keep both. :yo:

stalbert1

09-23-2003, 05:36 PM

Was Mottau sent to Cinn. today? He wasnt in the group of 14 cuts from yesterday... :dunno:

Mottau was assigned today!

Hahahahahhaha

09-23-2003, 05:44 PM

So assuming Hank's guesses are correct we have (just so I can visualize it):

1. Prospal
2. Fedorov
3. Sykora
4. Niedermayer
5. Rucchin
6. Chistov
7. Pahlsson
8. Krog
9. Johnson
10. Smirnov
11. Lupul
12. Holmqvist
13. Burnett
14. Leclerc (IR)
15. McDonald (IR)
16. Bylsma (IR)

17. Carney
18. Ozolinsh
19. Salei
20. Havelid
21. Sauer
22. Vish
23. Ward (can play F or D)
24. Popovic (I'd keep as 8th defenseman over Severson)

25. Giguere
26. Gerber

And when our 3 IR guys return, they could displace anyone 9-13 on that depth chart.

That's a decent lineup.

lux_interior

09-23-2003, 06:05 PM

So assuming Hank's guesses are correct we have (just so I can visualize it):.......

You must be a "visual learner." ;)

That is a good lineup. I like Burnett as the enforcer. Ah, the boys in eggplant are back in town.

moneyp

09-23-2003, 09:32 PM

Severson isn't going to be cut. He's been playing his ass off and has been far more noticeable than Burnett. So Burnett's the better puncher. Big deal.

And they're not going to keep Popovich around as an 8th d-man. He's either in the lineup or down in Cincy.

Getzlaf back to juniors, Popovich to Cincy to be called up if there's a lengthy injury.

lux_interior

09-23-2003, 11:54 PM

Keep both Severson and Burnett, Ducks need more physical play anyway.

Send Holmqvist to Cincy, he hasn't been anything special during the camp or in the pre-season.
Didn't he set up Smirnov on the PP goal against the Kings? Just one play, I know. I thought he was alright. Goals win games, not physical play. I just think the Ducks need as much offense as they can get, and going with both Severson and Burnett, who don't have as much skill offensively as Holmquist could hurt the team.

McDonald19

09-24-2003, 01:25 AM

Didn't he set up Smirnov on the PP goal against the Kings? Just one play, I know. I thought he was alright. Goals win games, not physical play. I just think the Ducks need as much offense as they can get, and going with both Severson and Burnett, who don't have as much skill offensively as Holmquist could hurt the team.

Martennson set up that goal by Smirnov.

In my opinion Holmqvist should adjust better to the North American style of hockey playing on the top two lines at Cinn...rather than playing a couple minutes a night on our fourth line...there just isnt any room for him amongst the top 9 forward spots...

I like the idea of Johnson centering Severson and Burrnett... :yo: :yo:

Hahahahahhaha

09-24-2003, 07:00 AM

I'd rather see us keep our status as one of the least-penalized teams.

190Octane

09-24-2003, 07:46 AM

Burnett is needed up here and keeping Popovic up here to sit in the press box makes no sense.

1. Fedorov
2. Sykora
3. Chistov
4. Rucchin
5. Niedermayer
6. Prospal
7. Pahlsson
8. Krog
9. Johnson
10. Smirnov
11. Lupul
12. Holmqvist
13. Burnett
14. Severson
15. Leclerc (IR)
16. Andy Mac (IR)
17. Bylsma (IR)

18. Carney
19. Ozolinsh
20. Salei
21. Havelid
22. Sauer
23. Vish
24. Ward (not very good at forward, should keep him as the 7th d)

25. Giguere
26. Gerber

We need some kind of physical presence during the regular season which Burnett and Severson will provide.

Jshibley

09-24-2003, 10:56 AM

I agree with vishinator on the line-up, and I think it looks really good at the moment. :)

Kevin Forbes

09-24-2003, 11:09 AM

was Johnson really that impressive?
I thought he would be a fringe player for sure...

Jshibley

09-24-2003, 11:14 AM

was Johnson really that impressive?
I thought he would be a fringe player for sure...

He's gonna give us that vetran prescence we need. Would you feel safe with a 4th line of all rookies? I see him centering the 4th line for Burnett and Severson. He's a fast guy and he seems to be very noticeable when he's on the ice. Zero offense, but thats okay for the 4th line. I like him in the Line-Up nice Bylsma replacement.

stalbert1

09-24-2003, 11:46 AM

He's gonna give us that vetran prescence we need. Would you feel safe with a 4th line of all rookies? I see him centering the 4th line for Burnett and Severson. He's a fast guy and he seems to be very noticeable when he's on the ice. Zero offense, but thats okay for the 4th line. I like him in the Line-Up nice Bylsma replacement.

I like Johnson on the 4th line as well. Until last year he was considered a pretty important member of the Kings and a solid, speedy defensive player. With his career on the line, he may just have a great year for us and be a valuable veteran presence.

Fedorov/Rucchin/Pahlsson/Johnson - all fast, all solid defensively and all strong on the puck. Babcock must be happy with this position. :handclap:

cheesymc

09-24-2003, 12:29 PM

We have alot of injured players which will make it interesting when they come back if the current roster is playing well.

Has anyone seen Johnson play? Ive seen him only a few times... but is he more physical than Byslma? I know hes sored over 10 goals several times before, so he makes Bylsma replaceable

I think Lupul may get a few games in but it doesnt seem like theres any space, unless Holmqvist really sucks. Has anyone seen Holmqvist play? Please tell me that he can play physical.

I think Burnett may just be a 13-14th man... seeing maybe 40 games or so, so I hope Cam can really step it up.

Oh ya, how has Sauer looked? Did he get a meaner? We really need at least on imposing blueliner.

Hahahahahhaha

09-24-2003, 01:03 PM

What are 4th liners but fringe players anyway? He's fast and big and willing. That's all you need on the 4th line, and all you can hope for from a 500k vet.

moneyp

09-24-2003, 01:24 PM

lux_interior

09-24-2003, 01:44 PM

We have alot of injured players which will make it interesting when they come back if the current roster is playing well.

Has anyone seen Johnson play? Ive seen him only a few times... but is he more physical than Byslma? I know hes sored over 10 goals several times before, so he makes Bylsma replaceable

Johnson and Bylsma are both very good defensively. Both are good PK'ers. Johnson has more speed than Bylsma. But I think Bylsma is a bit more physical. Johnson brings a bit more offense than Bylsma. I wouldn't expect more than 5-6 goals from Johnson, and no more the 3-4 goals from Bylsma. Personally I think Bylsma is a better leader than Johnson, but both are good. I think the two are pretty much interchangeable parts as fourth line forwards and PK specialists.

McDonald19

09-24-2003, 03:26 PM

Ignoring the top six (and assuming Getzlaf goes back to juniors), here are the eight players competing for the back two lines:

Pahlsson, Krog, Smirnov, Lupul, Johnson, Holmqvist, Severson, Burnett.

Pahlsson and Krog are locks. The remaining six our competing not only against each other, but also against the possibility of bringing in another vet if they can't hack it. Looking over these eight, there isn't one player I'd be thrilled to see play in the top two lines in the event of a long-term injury.

If Babs and BM have faith in this group, I'll go with what they think, but it isn't exactly awe-inspiring. I don't know why everyone has said that "some good players are going to be cut." It seems to me a few questionable players are still hanging around.

assuming Getzlaf goes back to juniors...only one of these forwards needs to be sent to Cinn. right? I have a bad feeling they will send Burnett to Cinn. and then we will get pushed around all season...but hopefully if they are smart they will send Holmqvist to Cinn. instead and then Lupul will end up there eventually when McDonald, Leclerc get back.

McDonald19

09-24-2003, 03:34 PM

Im trying to picture the forward lines:

Niedermayer-Federov-Sykora
Prospal-Rucchin-Chistov
Krog-Pahllson-Lupul (Smirnov)
Severson-Johnson-Burnett (Holmqvist)

I.R.: McDonald, Leclerc, Bylsma

We should be able to carry 2 extra forwards and 1 extra D...
(Smirnov, Holmqvist, Ward)

Popovic to Cinn.
Bryzgalov to Cinn.
Getzlav to Juniors.

am i counting right? do we even have to send one of Lupul,Holmqvist, Severson or Burnett to Cinn. ? :dunno:

moneyp

09-24-2003, 03:52 PM

assuming Getzlaf goes back to juniors...only one of these forwards needs to be sent to Cinn. right?

No, none of them do. We have a twenty-three man roster. We have room for Ward and two extra forwards.

cheesymc

09-24-2003, 09:54 PM

Do you guys think we can trade some excess players? can we get a legit enforcer that can play some like Andre Roy for say Mcdonald and Byslma? If so it would allow us to have Burnett play in Cincy.
Oh ya, what happened to Kunitz? Did he not impress? Strange that Senja is doing so much better supposedly...

I think Holmqvist, Kunitz, Martensson and Lupol should only see a little time in the begining (like no more than 5 games) and at the end of the season like the last game so that players like Federov and Sykora dont get hurt.

Getting a guy like Roy means that our lineup should be more clear like this:

1. Prospal
2. Fedorov
3. Sykora
4. Niedermayer
5. Rucchin
6. Chistov
7. Pahlsson
8. Krog
9. Johnson
10. Smirnov
11. Roy
12. Severson
13. Leclerc (IR)
14. a few games for Lupol, Kunitz, or Holmqvist

19. Carney
20. Ozolinsh
21. Salei
22. Havelid
23. Sauer
24. Vish
25. Ward (he'll only see about 60 games slit on F and D)
27. Mottau (call up only, maybe <10 games)

Kevin Forbes

09-25-2003, 06:06 AM

cheesy,
somehow I don't think we're going to get Roy for MacDonald and Bylsma
Both M & B are injured, one of them is only a 4th liner at best, the other one could never reach the 2nd line duty again because of his brain scrambling.
And the Worrell deal may have set a bit of a precident for the value of an enforcer. However, Roy did have a run-in with Lightning coac Totorella last year and he didn't play much during the playoffs and they also have Chris Dingman...

soya_sauce_chicken

09-25-2003, 06:27 AM

I would rather have Getzlaf than Lupul from the way he has been playing in the pre-season..
I think Lupul needs to go to Cincy

Hahahahahhaha

09-25-2003, 07:10 AM

I have a bad feeling they will send Burnett to Cinn. and then we will get pushed around all season....

Did we get pushed around last season? I don't remember that.

Professor John Frink

09-25-2003, 07:28 AM

Did we get pushed around last season? I don't remember that.

Agreed, the day of the enforcer is slowly ending. We didn't have Sawyer for half the season and we did fine. Part of it is the fact that the Ducks don't take a lot of penalties, so there aren't a lot of scuffles or fighting going on in the first place.

I want the biggest contributor, I don't care if they decide it is a goon or a guy who can play on the PK or just an intense forechecker, as long as it isn;t someone who is a liability I am fine.

Jerky Leclerc

09-25-2003, 07:32 AM

But the Ducks weren't targets last year. We snuck up behind alot of teams who were supposidly "contenders." After our run last year, I think a few teams will be gunning for our spot in the playoffs.

cheesymc

09-25-2003, 07:35 AM

i know they are both injured but im just speculating on the value they would bring if get got back into form and whether it was enough for a guy like Roy

i think with the ward/roy tandem it would be enough...

a fourth line with Severson/Ward Johnson and Roy would be solid i think... we would have speed and toughness (Johnson and Roy have both scored over 10g a season too)

Smirnov Krog Leclerc (i dont think theres enough creators on this line)

Sykora Ruch Neider (big line that can shield Sykora)

Prospal Fedorov Chistov (theres lots of creativity and puckhandlers)

lux_interior

09-25-2003, 09:22 AM

Answer me this:

How the hell is Holmqvist supposed to create offense from the 4th line playing 5-8mins per night? 4th liners are strictly role/energy players, it doesn't make ANY sense to put guy who's NOT physical at all and not really an energy player there. It's like putting Burnett to 1st line, just as bad.

Some people seem to think that physical play is some completely different part of the game which does not affect the team in any way - we'll you're dead wrong.

Physical play (hits, fights etc) gives the team more energy by adding adrenaline. Whenever you see someone throw a big hit it makes the whole building much more alive and it gives the players extra pump to their game. It also makes opponents more wary, this leads to more room for your skill players. Also having an enforcer gives the team extra confidence, you know there's a guy who can send a message if the opponents get too rowdy. Imagine this: opponents 3rd-4th liner roughs up Chistov and you have Holmqvist doing absolutely nothing to send a message that Ducks skill players can't be treated like that. Or you can send Burnett out there to rough up one of the opponents, just to send a message that we don't tolerate that kind of crap from you. It creates confidence and that leads to better play when they don't have to look over their shoulders to see whether opponents are after them or not.

Holmqvist needs to play in one of the 3 first lines - otherwise he is completely useless.
Good points.

Jshibley

09-25-2003, 09:32 AM

Good points.

Yes, but not exactly always true....I wouldn't say Krog was useless on the 4th line last year. He isn't exactly the most physical guy in the world. I think Holmqvist ideal spot would be on a 3rd line. but I also think he would be more out of place on the 2nd line than on the 4th. He has size so he won't be pushed around too easily, his resposible definsively I don't think it would be a bad idea to have him on the 4th line.

190Octane

09-25-2003, 10:06 AM

This is how I would line them up:

Chistov-Fedorov-Sykora
Prospal-Rucchin-Niedermayer
Smirnov/Holmqvist-Pahlsson-Lupul
Burnett-Krog-Johnson

Jshibley

09-25-2003, 11:35 AM

This is how I would line them up:

Chistov-Fedorov-Sykora
Prospal-Rucchin-Niedermayer
Smirnov/Holmqvist-Pahlsson-Lupul
Burnett-Krog-Johnson

thats a very good line-up I think I would do this though

Chistov Fedorov Niedimayer
Prospal Ruchin Sykora
Krog Pahlsson Lupul
Burnett Johnson Severson

Smirinov and Holmqvist as the spares

Leopold Stotch

09-25-2003, 01:11 PM

thats a very good line-up I think I would do this though

Chistov Fedorov Niedimayer
Prospal Ruchin Sykora
Krog Pahlsson Lupul
Burnett Johnson Severson

Smirinov and Holmqvist as the spares

Good line-up, but maybe switch Pahlsson and Krog. Krog is an awesome faceoff man, and that skill is wasted as winger pretty much. Pahlsson can play wing as well, so it would really benefit.

lux_interior

09-25-2003, 01:35 PM

thats a very good line-up I think I would do this though

Chistov Fedorov Niedimayer
Prospal Ruchin Sykora
Krog Pahlsson Lupul
Burnett Johnson Severson

Smirinov and Holmqvist as the spares
My only bone of contention with this is Smirnov and Holmqvist should go to Cincy if they're not going to play. And, I think Smirnov is at the stage of his career where he should be given a reasonable chance to play everyday in the NHL.

190Octane

09-25-2003, 03:01 PM

I agree.. I think Pahlsson and Krog both are best used at center.

Hahahahahhaha

09-25-2003, 03:44 PM

Physical play (hits, fights etc) gives the team more energy by adding adrenaline.

See, that's weird. I remember us having plenty of energy last season.

McDonald19

09-25-2003, 03:49 PM

McDonald and Bylsma won't be traded while they are injured...and I think the Ducks want to see if McDonald can come back and have a strong season before they think about trading him.

by the way why do some people keep calling him MacDonald...theres no "A" :D

McDonald19

09-25-2003, 03:52 PM

My only bone of contention with this is Smirnov and Holmqvist should go to Cincy if they're not going to play. And, I think Smirnov is at the stage of his career where he should be given a reasonable chance to play everyday in the NHL.

I agree Holmqvist and Smirnov should be playing 20 minutes a night in the AHL rather than 5 minutes a night on our fourth line...send those two to the AHL...im sure if it doesnt happen now, atleast one of them is destined for the AHL when Leclerc, McDonald come back.

McDonald19

09-25-2003, 03:55 PM

McDonald19

09-25-2003, 03:59 PM

Did we get pushed around last season? I don't remember that.

It depends whether u want Kurt Sauer fighting our battles...he doesnt really know how to fight but he jumped into altercations and lost a couple of fights and was bleeding after one vs the Columbus BJS...

also Carney was bloodied in a fight at the end of one game where Giguere got bumped and he jumped the guy...i think it was Carneys only fight of the season so im sure someone on here remembers...

Id rather have someone else fighting our battles...

Severson-Johnson-Burnett 4th line :yo:

moneyp

09-25-2003, 05:08 PM

I agree Holmqvist and Smirnov should be playing 20 minutes a night in the AHL rather than 5 minutes a night on our fourth line...send those two to the AHL...im sure if it doesnt happen now, atleast one of them is destined for the AHL when Leclerc, McDonald come back.

Holmqvist is already 26 or something, right? It's not like he's going to get a hell of a lot better in the AHL. I really don't mind him as a spare.

We need another vet!

Kevin Forbes

09-25-2003, 06:14 PM

I'd rather see
Chistov-Fedorov-Niedermayer
Prospal-Rucchin-Sykora
Smirnov/Holmqvist-Pahlsson-Lupul
Johnson-Krog-Severson/Burnett

I'm not sure about Holmqvist and Lupul on the same line...
Smirnov should get a chance at a regular spot, IMO
Burnett probably isn't going to be a regular player (probably used similar to Sawyer in his first year with the team)
I think our pivot position should remain like that though, Krog and Pahlsson did wonderful in their respective positions, but if one has to move to the wing, it should be Pahlsson

McDonald19

09-25-2003, 08:19 PM

Holmqvist is already 26 or something, right? It's not like he's going to get a hell of a lot better in the AHL. I really don't mind him as a spare.

We need another vet!

Holmqvist just turned 24...he slowly got better every year he played in Europe...give him a full year in the minors on their first or second line...then next year he can be an effective 3rd line player in the NHL...right now if he stays with the team hes not going to have much of an impact at all...he needs to get used to the North American game.

I still think hes a big part of the future for the Ducks...hes a late bloomer who is still developing his game at 24...let him develop in the AHL...

which FA forward do u see us adding for depth? I cant think of anyone...too bad Steve Thomas wants to stay near Canada.

Pwnasaurus

09-26-2003, 07:48 AM

I'd rather see
Chistov-Fedorov-Niedermayer
Prospal-Rucchin-Sykora
Smirnov/Holmqvist-Pahlsson-Lupul
Johnson-Krog-Severson/Burnett

I agree with our editor on this one....

I think these lines lend good balance and have the potential to create good chemistry as well with the fellow countrymen playing together...

lux_interior

09-26-2003, 12:21 PM

I still don't understand why we got Johnson...
An experienced vet role player, who can fill in, in the case of injury, or if enough of our young players aren't cutting it. Depth (in a word.)

vroom96

09-26-2003, 01:13 PM

An experienced vet role player, who can fill in, in the case of injury, or if enough of our young players aren't cutting it. Depth (in a word.)
Plus, it won't hurt him to sit in the pressbox as much as it would one of our prospects.

Jshibley

09-26-2003, 01:27 PM

Plus, it won't hurt him to sit in the pressbox as much as it would one of our prospects.

Exactly, I think Johnson is a great pick-up. like i said before he's just a Bylsma replacement.....but thats a good thing.

Jerky Leclerc

09-26-2003, 01:28 PM

Exactly, I think Johnson is a great pick-up. like i said before he's just a Bylsma replacement.....but thats a good thing.

Johnson is on a two-way contract right?

Hank

09-26-2003, 01:42 PM

Johnson is on a two-way contract right?

Yes, he makes 500k in the NHL or 90k in the AHL.

lux_interior

09-26-2003, 01:45 PM

Yes, he makes 500k in the NHL or 90k in the AHL.
Ouch! That's, what, an 82% drop? That would motivate the heck outta me.

Hahahahahhaha

09-26-2003, 02:01 PM

We would have had even more with couple of bangers on the 4th line.
That's not given. Bangers can suck energy out with stupid penalties.

Kevin Forbes

09-27-2003, 02:51 AM

I agree with our editor on this one....

I think you all should follow the example of this post
this board would be a lot better if everyone agreed with me
:handclap:

Jerky Leclerc

09-27-2003, 04:04 AM

Bryzgalov was sent back to Cincy according to the LA Times.

Now the only decision left is between Lupul, Getzlaf, and Popovic.

stalbert1

09-27-2003, 04:04 AM

The Cincinnati Mighty Ducks were assigned goaltender Ilya Bryzgalov by the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim on Friday.

Bryzgalov, a second-round pick by Anaheim in 2000, appeared in 54 games with Cincinnati last season, going 12-26-9 with a 2.82 goals-against average and .910 save percentage. The 6-foot-3, 194-pound third-year pro ranks first on Cincinnati's all-time career goaltending leader list in games (99), minutes played (5,419), losses (42) and ties (13).

The Mighty Ducks training camp roster now stands at 36 players, including 22 players assigned by Anaheim.

The Mighty Ducks will open their seventh American Hockey League training camp Monday, September 29 at the Mighty Ducks Skating Center, starting at 10:00 a.m.

All training camp workout sessions are open to the public.

source Cincinnati Mighty Ducks

hockeynut62

09-27-2003, 06:00 AM

The Mighty Ducks training camp roster now stands at 36 players, including 22 players assigned by Anaheim.
source Cincinnati Mighty Ducks

Any where to get a list of the 36 Players on the roster?

Fan.At

09-27-2003, 06:32 AM

Any where to get a list of the 36 Players on the roster?
http://www.mightyducksfansite.com/roster.htm

Not official, but seems ok...

hockeynut62

09-27-2003, 11:42 AM

http://www.mightyducksfansite.com/roster.htm

Not official, but seems ok...

Thank you

McDonald19

09-27-2003, 04:52 PM

Jshibley

09-28-2003, 12:11 PM

I hope Bill Cass and Sandro Sbrocca make the Cinn. team. They both had pretty decent rookie camps from what I've heard...and Sbrocca stuck around the real training camp for awhile too.

Good to see that the Ducks are giving them tryouts in the AHL rather than just getting rid of them.

I would like to see them make the team too, i liked them both in the rookie tourny......anybody have any info on that 6'3" russian defeneseman that is trying out???

hockeynut62

09-30-2003, 08:08 AM

I would like to see them make the team too, i liked them both in the rookie tourny......anybody have any info on that 6'3" russian defeneseman that is trying out???

any word on the cinci camp yet

soya_sauce_chicken

10-02-2003, 10:26 AM

Bryzgalov was sent back to Cincy according to the LA Times.

Now the only decision left is between Lupul, Getzlaf, and Popovic.
if i were to choose 1 i would go with Getzlaf...
if 2 Getzlaf and Lupul..

Jshibley

10-04-2003, 02:08 PM

Did we sign minisota goalie derek gustafan? I can't find any links, but it says we did on the trades/freeagents hfboards.

Kick Save

10-05-2003, 10:45 AM

soya: I've been just as impressed by Getzlaf this pre-season as anyone. It's hard to believe this kid was just drafted three months ago. However, it doesn't make a lot of sense to keep him on the Ducks roster for the following reasons:

1. He isn't under contract. (Yes, I am aware that Bryan Murray has been in contact with his agent.) Signing him will cost the Ducks somewhere in the $1.3 million range. That would make the payroll that much higher this year.

2. The CBA expires at the end of this year. It's doubtful that there will even be a season next year. When the new CBA goes into effect, there probably will be a number of significant changes. These COULD include some type of salary cap, a lower minimum age to attain Unrestricted Free Agency status and some type of rookie salary cap. I can't speak for the NHLPA, but something tells me they'd be more than willing to compromise on rookies' salaries in exchange for a lower age for UFA status.

3. Getzlaf has a bright future. He needs to hone his skills. He needs plenty of ice time. He's unlikely to get enough ice time in the NHL playing on the third or fourth line.

4. Even if the Ducks are able to sign him, there's no middle ground: he can't be sent to the minor leagues. He either plays in the NHL or returns to his Junior team. If he plays anything more than 10 NHL games, he can't be returned to his Junior Team (Calgary Hitmen).

5. If you want an example of a youngster whose career was screwed up by having him play in the NHL straight out of Juniors, look at Manny Malhotra.

6. Yes, a handful of guys successfully make the jump straight to the NHL, but (1) they are few and far between, (2) the vast majority of the time, they are amongst the top three picks in the entry draft and (3) they generally play for weak teams (because weaker teams generally pick higher and tend to have more holes in their lineup). Getzlaf is unlikely to get sufficient ice time in Anaheim this year.

Lupul is already under contract, he's older and he's more mature (hockey wise). In light of these considerations, you should go with Lupul over Getzlaf.

Kevin Forbes

10-05-2003, 10:47 AM

good post KickSave!
I agree

Hank

10-05-2003, 11:55 AM

2. When the new CBA goes into effect, there probably will be a number of significant changes. These COULD include some type of salary cap, a lower minimum age to attain Unrestricted Free Agency status and some type of rookie salary cap.

There is already a rookie salary cap (although bonuses are unlimited) and contract length is fixed as well. I can't speak for the NHLPA either, but I'd gladly stick it to the older players in exchange for getting the rookie cap removed. Just image paying a Kovalchuk-type 4mm in salary instead of 1mm in salary and 3mm in bonuses given the rules governing qualifying offers. This would also increase the league average salary and probably increase the number of Group V UFA's by a good amount.

Comrie in Edmonton is a good example of this scenario. He wants talks on his next contract to start based on his income (salary plus bonuses) but Edmonton is sticking much closer to his salary alone because they can. Basically, the cap screwed Mike and takes away a lot of his bargaining power.

The bottom line is if Getzlaf had showed enough to earn a contract, he would get one (as did Brown in LA). He's been good, but not great so he'll go back to Junior.

Kick Save

10-05-2003, 01:00 PM

There is already a rookie salary cap (although bonuses are unlimited) and contract length is fixed as well. I can't speak for the NHLPA either, but I'd gladly stick it to the older players in exchange for getting the rookie cap removed. Just image paying a Kovalchuk-type 4mm in salary instead of 1mm in salary and 3mm in bonuses given the rules governing qualifying offers. This would also increase the league average salary and probably increase the number of Group V UFA's by a good amount.

Comrie in Edmonton is a good example of this scenario. He wants talks on his next contract to start based on his income (salary plus bonuses) but Edmonton is sticking much closer to his salary alone because they can. Basically, the cap screwed Mike and takes away a lot of his bargaining power.

The bottom line is if Getzlaf had showed enough to earn a contract, he would get one (as did Brown in LA). He's been good, but not great so he'll go back to Junior.

You raise some excellent points, Hank. Yes, there already is a rookie salary cap; but nothing says that it can't be lowered---particularly if it is a bargaining chip given in exchange for other concessions by the owners.

While you'd "gladly stick it to the older players", I think the "older players" carry almost all the weight in NHLPA decisions. BTW, I'm not sure there's anything wrong with that. The veterans have taken their knocks and paid their dues.

It's not my intention to take anything away from Brown---he's had a phenomenal pre-season---but Brown's situation and Getzlaf's are very, very different. First, with injuries to Allison & Deadmarsh, the Kings have very little scoring punch. Second, the Ducks are a better team and don't have any urgency to "rush" a prospect along. Third, the Ducks already HAVE Lupul. He's under contract and he's NHL-ready. I'm not sure the Ducks are ready to carry both Lupul & Getzlaf.

Even if Getzlaf had been "great", I'm not sure that signing him and playing him in the NHL is the best thing for his future development. He has a bright future in Anaheim. There's no need to rush him.

Hank

10-05-2003, 04:15 PM

While you'd "gladly stick it to the older players", I think the "older players" carry almost all the weight in NHLPA decisions.

But we're talking about a very select group of of veteran players getting "screwed", those from 28-30. Anyone older than 31 won't be affected either way. So it comes down to who the Union will favor to get the most money for the most players. I certainly don't know which way they'll go, but I don't assume out of hand that they'll side with older players to the detriment of younger ones.

Even if Getzlaf had been "great", I'm not sure that signing him and playing him in the NHL is the best thing for his future development. He has a bright future in Anaheim. There's no need to rush him.

I agree completely, BTW. I mentioned Brown only because it shows that in a different situation (for all the reasons you stated) rookies are still getting contracts. The CBA is in the minds of all GMs but they still have to put a team on the ice THIS season.

hockeynut62

10-05-2003, 06:39 PM

[QUOTE=McDonald19]
I hope Bill Cass make the Cinn. team.

Bill was let go today by cinci. I would like to thank all you guys that had good things to say and kept all of us at home up to date on how he was playing

Kevin Forbes

10-05-2003, 06:52 PM

MIGHTY DUCKS OF ANAHEIM ANNOUNCE ROSTER MOVES

ANAHEIM, Calif. - The Mighty Ducks of Anaheim announced today that the National Hockey League (NHL) club has made the following roster moves:

Cam Severson (LW) - Assigned to Cincinnati (AHL)
Mark Popovic (D) - Assigned to Cincinnati (AHL)
Ryan Getzlaf (C) - Assigned to junior team (Calgary - WHL)

Severson was sent down to make room for McDonald apparently

Jerky Leclerc

10-05-2003, 07:24 PM

Good moves. We can recall Popovic any time. Getzlaf had a great camp and I can't wait to see him in the folds next summer. Go Andy Mac...

Hahahahahhaha

10-05-2003, 07:58 PM

So who's left then?

Nieds-Fedorov-Sykora
Prospal-Rucchin-Lupul
Chistov-Pahlsson-Krog
Burnett-Johnson-Holmqvist

Carney-Ozolinsh
Sauer-Havelid
Vish-Salei
Simpson

Am I forgetting anyone? And if Andy is ready, then who loses? Dump Holmqvist to the minors and drop Krog to the 4th line? Or start Andy on the 4th line. Or...

EDIT: forgot Smirnov and Ward.

190Octane

10-05-2003, 09:48 PM

McDonald19

10-06-2003, 12:56 AM

My best guess (and not how I would line them up, but what I think will happen) is:

Smirnov-Fedorov-Sykora
Propsal-Rucchin-Niedermayer
Chistov-McDonald-Lupul
Johnson/Burnett-Pahlsson-Krog

extras: Burnett/Johnson, Holmqvist

I don't see Smirnov staying up with the big club just to sit in the press box. If he wasn't going to play up here, he'd be down there getting PT.

If McDonald is healthy he deserves the top 6 line time more than Smirnov...I really hope Smirnov doesnt start the season with Federov...what has he done to deserve 1st line time?

also I think Burnett will play a lot of games now that Severson is gone...unless we are playing a really soft team, Burnett should be in the lineup. alternate scratching Holmqvist, Smirnov and Johnson, and Burnett(only vs very non physical teams)

190Octane

10-06-2003, 05:18 AM

If McDonald is healthy he deserves the top 6 line time more than Smirnov...I really hope Smirnov doesnt start the season with Federov...what has he done to deserve 1st line time?

also I think Burnett will play a lot of games now that Severson is gone...unless we are playing a really soft team, Burnett should be in the lineup. alternate scratching Holmqvist, Smirnov and Johnson, and Burnett(only vs very non physical teams)

Smirnov isn't up here to be scratched. I agree that if McDonald is healthy he should be in the top 6 but like I stated above, it's what I think WILL happen as opposed to what I think SHOULD happen.

Hank

10-06-2003, 06:36 AM

My best guess (and not how I would line them up, but what I think will happen) is:

Smirnov-Fedorov-Sykora
Propsal-Rucchin-Niedermayer
Chistov-McDonald-Lupul
Johnson/Burnett-Pahlsson-Krog

extras: Burnett/Johnson, Holmqvist

No way Smirnov will be on the 1st line during the season, he showed nothing to warrant that during pre-season games.

Coming out hot should be a big priority and for that the Ducks will need a top line that produces almost every game.

Prospal Fedorov Sykora
Chistov Rucchin Niedermayer
Pahlsson McDonald Lupul/Smirnov
Burnett Krog Johnson/Holmqvist