WJC Bronze Medal GDT: USA vs. Czech Republic

Thoughts anyone?

who cares. :dunno:

it's not being shown on tv eh?

and it's in the middle of the day? :shakehead

it's not being shown on tv eh?

and it's in the middle of the day? :shakehead

Yeah for us Canadians it is. WHo cares if its the middle of the day, whats your point. :lol

:dunno: The Americans are so far off their game, I'd say it could be an 7 or 8 to 1 win for the Czechs. :eek:

I think the Americans will suck it up and pull out a 'W' vs. the Czechs and claim the bronze.

Score 5-3.

Yeah for us Canadians it is. WHo cares if its the middle of the day, whats your point.

cuz some of us work in the middle of the day? :shakehead

Is there some reason this thread does not deserve a sticky? (It seems as all other GDT's are stickied with the local time included.)

:handclap: I've been pulling for the Americans to win all tournament, but my brain says they've thrown in the towel after Belarus and have given up. Hope I'm wrong. :) I think the Americans will suck it up and pull out a 'W' vs. the Czechs and claim the bronze.

Score 5-3.

:handclap: I've been pulling for the Americans to win all tournament, but my brain says they've thrown in the towel after Belarus and have given up. Hope I'm wrong. :)


Have you watched the rest of the tournament? The U.S. thumped the Swedes and were down a goal to Russia in the 3rd period of the semis. They didn't throw in the towel. The team competed, and lost to a superior team, in a game Montoya played very well in. I think they'll be pumped to win bronze and avenge an earlier loss to the Czechs.

Any live Radio Feed I can catch of this game?

A link would be great :)

If the whole game is as exciting as the third period of the USA/Czech game the other day, this ought to be one of the best games in ages.

I guess i wonder how mentally "into it" the U.S is going to be for this game.I know they are capable of winning this game but i just get this feeling that anything other then gold isn't enough for them this year.....this team has tasted winning and does'nt want anything else i think,especially being at home.I think the Czechs will be a bit more motivated and win.The crowd has to get behind them to give them that boost i think they will need.

:shakehead Come on. Have you watched the rest of the tournament? A good midget team may have given the Swedes a game. The Swedes have zero passion. The US had nearly half a game to tie up the score and couldn't even sustain any offensive pressure against Russia. Russia is not a superior team to the Americans. In this tournament the Americans had A: terrible goaltending, B: poor coaching, C: no team chemistry/unity, and not the passion/intensity we are used to seeing from a US squad. Czechs 8...USA 1. Only because the Americans are in complete dissarray. :joker: Have you watched the rest of the tournament? The U.S. thumped the Swedes and were down a goal to Russia in the 3rd period of the semis. They didn't throw in the towel. The team competed, and lost to a superior team, in a game Montoya played very well in. I think they'll be pumped to win bronze and avenge an earlier loss to the Czechs.

Any live Radio Feed I can catch of this game?

A link would be great :)


I'm looking for one too.... :)

the US might take out their frustrations on the czech team though (meaning they might play very hard to win it after being frustrated by russia)

could go either way i guess...did losing to russia really take the wind out of their sails or are they going to be pissed off and fired up to beat someone up over it (again, not saying beat up as in physically, i just can't think of a better way to put it right now)

I'm looking for one too.... :)

http://www.team1200.com/home/index.asp

it will be on the team 1200, its probably a main feed from somewhere, most likely the fan 590.

Any live Radio Feed I can catch of this game?

A link would be great :)

USA Hockey (http://www.usahockey.com/)

:shakehead Come on. Have you watched the rest of the tournament? A good midget team may have given the Swedes a game. The Swedes have zero passion. The US had nearly half a game to tie up the score and couldn't even sustain any offensive pressure against Russia. Russia is not a superior team to the Americans. In this tournament the Americans had A: terrible goaltending, B: poor coaching, C: no team chemistry/unity, and not the passion/intensity we are used to seeing from a US squad. Czechs 8...USA 1. Only because the Americans are in complete dissarray. :joker:


I've had a revelation! Instead of David Quinn, the U.S. brass should have named beerpaul to the coaching staff! I'm glad you have it all figured out.

Well, some of you folks are just peachy...thrown in the towel? So far off of their game that a midget team could beat them? Not motivated to win a measly bronze medal in front of their home fans? There must be some dark humor that I just don't get. NOONE WANTS TO FINISH FOURTH OR ON A LOW NOTE. There is plenty to play for still, and with a day of rest under their belts, this ought to be a good game. The loss against Russia was obviously heartbreaking, but I think the boys were just out of gas. Playing your 4th tilt in 5 nights will do that.

:p: As Chris Farley once said: "Watch and learn". :joker: I've had a revelation! Instead of David Quinn, the U.S. brass should have named beerpaul to the coaching staff! I'm glad you have it all figured out.

thanks guys for the links :)

5-2 Czech.

Olesz x3, Vrana and Kvapil for the Czech.
Kessel and Stafford for the US.

3-2 Czech, Schwarz will stand on his head.

Olesz, Vrana, Petruzalek

Stafford, Hensick

Disappointed we are not playing for gold, but I'll be happy if we can at least win the bronze. Let's go boys!! :handclap:

4:2 Czech Republic

2-1 Czech
Olesz with two goals
Kessel puts one home for USA

I have no audio here at work, so if anyone's listening please update us! Thanks!

Czechs have started with good movement.
What do you think, is it a disadvantage for USA that there is no bronze game culture in North America?
1-0 for Czechs by Polak on PP.

1-0 Polak

1-0 Polak

:banghead: that didn't take long.

Another PP coming up for the Czechs..... the US has to stay out of the box.

Another PP coming up for the Czechs..... the US has to stay out of the box.

are they playing pretty undisciplined hockey so far or are they crap calls??

czechs 1-0 i thought I just heard

Offtopic but I like those USA jerseys. Very simple and nice.

Offtopic but I like those USA jerseys. Very simple and nice.


are they the blue 1932 lake placid jerseys with the USA crest on thr front?

are they playing pretty undisciplined hockey so far or are they crap calls??
No idea........ I'm listening on the radio, so it's a little difficult to tell! :)

are they the blue 1932 lake placid jerseys with the USA crest on thr front?
Well, they're blue so I think they are. :)
Edit : with big numbers on the back

No idea........ I'm listening on the radio, so it's a little difficult to tell! :)

got ya ;)

3.59 2 min USA 15. WELLER, Shawn Roughing
3.26 1 - 0 PP1 Czech Republic 26. POLAK, Michal Game Winning Goal
(27. FROLIK, Michael)
(8. SMID, Ladislav)
2.14 2 min USA 6. BORER, Casey Slashing

Some teams never learn.

Well, they're blue so I think they are. :)

I'm sure those are the ones because the other blue ones have USA written really big on the front. I really like those 1932 jerseys.

3.59 2 min USA 15. WELLER, Shawn Roughing
3.26 1 - 0 PP1 Czech Republic 26. POLAK, Michal Game Winning Goal
(27. FROLIK, Michael)
(8. SMID, Ladislav)
2.14 2 min USA 6. BORER, Casey Slashing

Some teams never learn.

Where can you find a stats update Jacob??

Thx in advance!

3.26 1 - 0 PP1 Czech Republic 26. POLAK, Michal Game Winning Goal

Surely you jest

Everyone in the US-look at what we get to watch instead of the game :madfire: :madfire: :banghead: :banghead: :madfire:

*sigh* I'm at work, depending on the 'excellent' iihf site. Damn shame. This is probably one of the best games in the tourney.

I'm sure those are the ones because the other blue ones have USA written really big on the front. I really like those 1932 jerseys.
Yep, that's the one. I like simple style more than fancy mid-90's eyeburners.

Surely you jest


well, it is the "potential" game winner if the US is shut out. (which I hope doesn't happen) :D

shots are 10-1 so far

http://www.iihf.com/Hydra/Tournaments_05/output/w20/hydra.iihf.com/IIHF_Core/jsp/content/web_output/Live.jsp@compId=1000000020&gameId=1000000238

Yep, that's the one. I like simple style more than fancy mid-90's eyeburners.

agreed

here's this year's jersey worn by the world cup team and the WJC team. I don't really like it.

Another PP for Czech

EDIT: my bad...

Czech penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct, in other words, diving.

shots are 10-1 so far


:eek:

agreed

here's this year's jersey worn by the world cup team and the WJC team. I don't really like it.
That's not the WJC jersey. It's all dark blue with white. No read on the shoulders and it has the tie. It's nice. I like the White USA ones, but my favorite are the blue NOT the 1932 ones, the other ones.

Is it me or does the guy calling the game online say Marek Schwarz's name strange?

Kaspar has been playing physical and defensive but I would like to see him break out and score another here.

Schwarz has been quite good on those couple of US' chances so far.

On the USA side, I'd say Porter and Weller have played well. (They stand out from rest of the team)

another USA penalty

That's not the WJC jersey. It's all dark blue with white. No read on the shoulders and it has the tie. It's nice. I like the White USA ones, but my favorite are the blue NOT the 1932 ones, the other ones.

you're right here's the WJC jersey. It's a little better.

the 30's jersey that the US is wearing right now are pretty cool

USA to PP. Vrana to box for boarding.

1-1 Porter

1-1 on PP.
Scored by Porter.

1-1 Porter
Damn you :D

Is it me or does the guy calling the game online say Marek Schwarz's name strange?
hes saying Shartz
---USA scores---

Shartz with abig save on Callahan ;) :D

hes saying Shartz
---USA scores---

It took 2 games before the ESPN guys started pronoucning borer's name correctly.

way to go on the goal by porter :handclap: and idea on who got the assists?

And we're back in action!
Unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for Olesz at 20.00
Dunno what he did.

Referee is ruining this game. :cry:

2-2. 4-3 PP goal by Stafford.

Frolik scored 2-1

2-2 Stafford from Suter and O`Sullivan

Another assist by Suter and another clutch goal by Stafford....

What a dive by O'Sullivan. Really the best and most gracious dive so far in the tournament. PERFECT 10!

How does Montoya look in goal?

What a dive by O'Sullivan. Really the best and most gracious dive so far in the tournament. PERFECT 10!

If you can't beat em', then join them.

How does Montoya look in goal?
Quite a nice game but some I'll have to point out something:
- if he goes to ice, it takes years for him to stand up again
- awful stickhandling (or puckhandling) behind the net. Some crazy passes straight to Czech players.

Some good saves though.

What a dive by O'Sullivan. Really the best and most gracious dive so far in the tournament. PERFECT 10!

A Russian fan really should not be talking about "diving". I cannot COUNT how many dives I have seen the Russians get away with throughout this tournament. Granted - Even the US commentators said the play was a dive ;)

has Lukas Kaspar been noticeable?

Quite a nice game but some I'll have to point out something:
- if he goes to ice, it takes years for him to stand up again.
I, too have been less than impressed by Montoya's reflexes and quickness in this tournament. He looks downright creaky out there.

Maybe it's a confidence issue, because I don't remember noticing it last year.

Quite a nice game but some I'll have to point out something:
- if he goes to ice, it takes years for him to stand up again
- awful stickhandling (or puckhandling) behind the net. Some crazy passes straight to Czech players.

Some good saves though.

Cool, at least he's really picked it up the last few games

How about Schwartz?

I'd like if the gameday threads said what time the games were on

How was the Polak goal?

What a dive by O'Sullivan. Really the best and most gracious dive so far in the tournament. PERFECT 10!

He took lessons from your boys.


I can't take hearing those girls talking in the online broadcast, it's really annoying me lol.

It took 2 games before the ESPN guys started pronoucning borer's name correctly.

way to go on the goal by porter :handclap: and idea on who got the assists?

hensick and hunwick...TSN had "hunswick" listed for a while :joker:

Jeff Likens is the worst player on the ice for either team. His attempts to clear the puck out of his zone are pathetic and a ten year old would have better success. His outlet passes, believe it or not, are worse. He basically handed the puck to Michael Frolik on the second Czech goal and said, "here, go score, I'm terrible".

Everyone wants to kick Montoya when he's down, but he is constantly hung out to dry by this HORRIBLE HORRIBLE excuse for a defense. He has let in a few softies this tournament, but make no mistake....the defense is what has hurt the US more than anything in this WJC, not Al.

Jeff Likens is the worst player on the ice for either team. His attempts to clear the puck out of his zone are pathetic and a ten year old would have better success. His outlet passes, believe it or not, are worse. He basically handed the puck to Michael Frolik on the second Czech goal and said, "here, go score, I'm terrible".

Everyone wants to kick Montoya when he's down, but he is constantly hung out to dry by this HORRIBLE HORRIBLE excuse for a defense. He has let in a few softies this tournament, but make no mistake....the defense is what has hurt the US more than anything in this WJC, not Al.

Yet for some reason they continue to pair him with Suter.......Why?!?!?!

How's Olesz looking so far?

Yet for some reason they continue to pair him with Suter.......Why?!?!?!


Well, in case you hadn't figured it out, the US coach Sandelin, is awful. For a coach that is supposed to be at a high level, he has really embarassed himself by showing he completely does not belong.

On a side note, Mike Brown did something to Olesz in the 2'nd and Olesz has not returned. The announcers say that it is possible that he may return, but it is questionable.

How's Olesz looking so far?

Better then Likens I gather ;)

Yet for some reason they continue to pair him with Suter.......Why?!?!?!
They need to pair him with a strong D-man to cover his worthless a$$.

Another useless penalty by Kevin Porter, elbowing. You'd think he'd have smartened up after that awful cross-checking penalty he took in the 2'nd that negated the US powerplay. What are these guys thinking out there.

Couple big saves by AL on the powerplay.

PP Czech

How's Olesz looking so far?

KO'd by brown
don't you want to know how other players are doing, or is it just all olesz, all the time? homer ;) :joker:

He took lessons from your boys.


:handclap:

They should start of thinking about hockey lessons too.. :D

KO'd by brown
don't you want to know how other players are doing, or is it just all olesz, all the time? homer ;) :joker:


How about Schwartz and Polak?

How about Schwartz and Polak?
Schwarz is having a normal game. Couple of good saves. Nothing spectacular though.

Schwarz is having a normal game. Couple of good saves. Nothing spectacular though.


Thanks.

Thanks.

Sounds like Stafford is playing an excellent game!

The Czechs seemed very lazy on that 2 on 1.

Stafford almost scoring. Just sliding couple of inches away from the post.

Sounds like Stafford is playing an excellent game!


Not really, he blasted that one goal, but other than that he hasn't done much.

T.J. Hensick, just flew around a Czech defender and barely misseed a goal, he beat Schwarz 5-hole, but it just rolled wide.

Stafford almost scoring. Just sliding couple of inches away from the post.
It was Hensick, not Stafford

Nice move by Petrozelic.(sp)

It was Hensick, not Stafford
Sorry, my fault, I focused to the Finnish commentator who said it was Stafford.

Yet for some reason they continue to pair him with Suter.......Why?!?!?!

enoch,same thing i've been wondering the entire tournament...it must be because they were linemates at U. Of Wisc. and the dumbazz coach figured they'd have chemistry or something...should have taken about 3 shifts to figure that likens was a drag on the entire team

USA controlling the game now.

How have defensemen Martin Tuma and Martin Lojek looked for the Czechs?

I havent been watching the game but why isnt Olesz playing?

Fritsche stopped point blank, by Schwarz.....Stafford with the nice set up.

Jake Dowell got absolutely hammered by a Czech defender trying to make a move. These grinder guys should just stick to what they know.

Olesz is done for the game, but is still in uniform in case of a shootout.

Another big save by Schwarz on Porter.

USA controlling the game now.


They should be the best Czech player is gone.....but they still cant put one in.

I'm rooting for the US to win this so that Schneider and Brown can get medals

They should be the best Czech player is gone.....but they still cant put one in.

uuummm Schwarz > Olesz

To O.T. we go.......US dominated play in the 3'rd but couldn't put one in. The choices for lines seems really odd to me. Kessel is playing on a line with scrubs, and I don't understand it. Put him out there with Schremp.

I havent been watching the game but why isnt Olesz playing?
I'm interested as well. I'm guessing it has something to do with his unsportsmanlike conduct..?

uuummm Schwarz > Olesz


Olesz leads the tournament in goals (tied). He is a vast majority of their offense. Without him on the ice the US just mauls Vrana and his other linemates whereas they couldnt if he was out their. The play of the Czechs has evaporated with his loss.

So in this game right now, it would be

OLESZ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

SCHWARZ

But thanks for coming out.

I'm interested as well. I'm guessing it has something to do with his unsportsmanlike conduct..?

He was hit quite hard and I think one of his shoulder is sore. I don't know the extent of the injury though.

Olesz hurt his wrist, that`s why he isn`t playing.

EDIT: wrist, not arm

I'm interested as well. I'm guessing it has something to do with his unsportsmanlike conduct..?

Apparently he got hammered by Brown.

I'm interested as well. I'm guessing it has something to do with his unsportsmanlike conduct..?


He got tied up with Mike Brown and Brown hurt him somehow.

Wow, what a save by Luchy. lol

Jake Dowell missed a wide open net. Schwarz out of position and a defender slid across the ice.....of course Dowell, the grinder and non goal scorer couldnt lift it a foot off the ice, where the rest of the net was wide open, AWFUL.

What an individual effort by Petr Vrana to win this game..

WHAT A MOVE!!!!! :handclap:

And the Americans season ends on something that epitomizes the tournament.

An awful play by the defence followed by an embarassing goal allowed by Montoya.

Wow, Likens got beat cleanly.

Congratulations Czech Republic.

Petr Vrana walks right around the worst player in US WJC history, Jeff Likens and scores.

Jeff Likens is the wrost player I have EVER seen.

Montoya just became a Jim Carey.
Ouch! :amazed:

Likens ......... :mad: :mad: :mad: ......... Montoya :mad: :mad:

These two guys almost single-handedly killed the US in this tournament.

yey! go Vrana! :handclap:

Likens blows it and Montoya blows it. Vrana scores the winner.
Well, USA played a good third period and they almost scored in OT, but this is hockey. It was Czechs turn.

Really unfortunate loss. :(

Olesz leads the tournament in goals (tied). He is a vast majority of their offense. Without him on the ice the US just mauls Vrana and his other linemates whereas they couldnt if he was out their. The play of the Czechs has evaporated with his loss.

So in this game right now, it would be

OLESZ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

SCHWARZ

But thanks for coming out.

Do you want to reconsider now?

And the Americans season ends on something that epitomizes the tournament.

An awful play by the defence followed by an embarassing goal allowed by Montoya.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Hard to say who looked worse on that play, Likens or Montoya. :(

amazing...why if that kid even on the ice in that situation??...his man must have scored 12 of the goals the US allowed in this tournament

Montoya just became a Jim Carey.
Ouch! :amazed:


How can you look at that play and say anything about Montoya.....you're an ambarassment to Canadians everywhere. Did you not see Jeff Likens shat himself and let Vrana walk by him, then refuse to try to make up for it?

Great goal ends a good game, congratulations to Czech Republic!!! :handclap:
Stafford was a positive surprise for me :)
Were those Czech coaches taunting and showboating after the goal? ;)

How can you look at that play and say anything about Montoya.....you're an ambarassment to Canadians everywhere. Did you not see Jeff Likens shat himself and let Vrana walk by him, then refuse to try to make up for it?

You got to be joking. Montoya's 5 hole was wide open. Saw it on the reverse net camera......oh btw, Vrana fanned on the puck! Your an embarrassment for being a hockey fan.
Fact is, Montoya should of EASILY had that. :dunce:

How can you look at that play and say anything about Montoya.....you're an ambarassment to Canadians everywhere. Did you not see Jeff Likens shat himself and let Vrana walk by him, then refuse to try to make up for it?
That should not have gone in.

What does his comment have anything to do with being Canadian?

And the Americans season ends on something that epitomizes the tournament.

An awful play by the defence followed by an embarassing goal allowed by Montoya.

Well put... totally agree with you

Do you want to reconsider now?


No, not at all, because if Olesz was in the 3'rd I don't think it would have went to overtime.

Schwarz looked very average to me. Sure, he made a few decent saves, nothing spectacular. He was down and out in OT and his defense bailed him out by stopping an American lug that couldn't raise the puck 12 inches.

Olesz was much more important to this team that Schwarz.

Likens Sucks

Well, the two things why US lost. The defense was horrible this whole tournament, and both goalies played terrible. Thats never a good mix.

Congrats Czechs! And Likens embarrasses himself, yet again.

Congratulations to the Czech Republic and its "hokej" community on this win especially with the loss of Ivan Hlinka this year. The medal is well deserved.

You got to be joking. Montoya's 5 hole was wide open. Saw it on the reverse net camera......oh btw, Vrana fanned on the puck! Your an embarrassment for being a hockey fan.
Fact is, Montoya should of EASILY had that. :dunce:


There should never have been a shot at all. And if you watched the replay, you'd clearly see Likens weak hack, which resulted on the fan by Vrana. Lucky bounce.

Nice move by Vrana, awful tournament for Likens, resulting in two of the 3 goals tonight.

Well, the two things why US lost. The defense was horrible this whole tournament, and both goalies played terrible. Thats never a good mix.

And the coach sucks. But yeah you can't win if the team plays that way.

Congrats to the Czech's. :)

Frolik Is The Reaaaaall Deeeal !

No, not at all, because if Olesz was in the 3'rd I don't think it would have went to overtime.

Schwarz looked very average to me. Sure, he made a few decent saves, nothing spectacular. He was down and out in OT and his defense bailed him out by stopping an American lug that couldn't raise the puck 12 inches.

Olesz was much more important to this team that Schwarz.


He made more than 30 saves and didn't give up a softy. Yeah, that sounds pretty average to me.

Way to Go Schwarz!!! :handclap:
could someone make me a cool Czech Schwarz avatar for this special occasion :D

Id make one myself but I dont have photoshop or anything :dunno:

i watched the first 2 periods than had to do homework so i can watch the canada game....can anyone tell me what happened in the 3rd and what the final score was? thanks

Americans are big and strong and skilled. They will win a lot of medals in the future.

Vrana is a great player. He was always dangerous when he got a break from the wing. Very good on 1-on-1 situations. Congrats to czechs.

It was very average, actually Koutsky (sp?) looked as good, if not better in the 1'st game against the Americans....which is why Olesz' scoring is more important to the Czech's in the tourny than Schwarz' goaltending...especially when the have a good backup.

Frolik is awesome...i cant believe hes an 88 :bow:

i watched the first 2 periods than had to do homework so i can watch the canada game....can anyone tell me what happened in the 3rd and what the final score was? thanks


3-2 Czechs in OT. Jeff Likens pooped his shorts ONCE AGAIN leading to a breakaway for Petr Vrana who scored the winner.

Frolik is awesome...i cant believe hes an 88 :bow:


Yeah he is. He will give Kessel a run for his money in 2006....if Kessel declares.

if the U.S. got "average" goaltending they might be playing for gold in about an hour. For me the entire defense minus Suter was pretty horrible. Please tell me Jack Johnson is better that those guys--any hope next year?

3-2 Czechs in OT. Jeff Likens pooped his shorts ONCE AGAIN leading to a breakaway for Petr Vrana who scored the winner.

cool thanks man

Video of the goal...
http://user.fundy.net/ranold/MontoyaSieve.wmv

KO'd by brown
don't you want to know how other players are doing, or is it just all olesz, all the time? homer ;) :joker:
Well, Tuma and Lojek too, but I never get a response for them.

I only care about Schremp, O'Sullivan, Olesz and Frolik in this game, and Olesz was the only one that hadn't been talked about in this thread when I posted it.

But yeah, I admit it, I am definately a pretty big homer, but only in terms of liking players for my team. I don't put FLA as a better team than anyone else just cause I like them and don't get blinded by homerism in trade proposals.

That sucks that Olesz got hurt. :madfire: Mike Brown sucks.

goalie should have had that

Missed the game. But, I am looking forward to watching Petr Vrana in a Devils uniform. One of these days!

Video of the goal...
http://user.fundy.net/ranold/MontoyaSieve.wmv

Thanks! Wow....Montoya looks awful.

That play never should have happened... that one is on Likens as far as I'm concerned...

not a good goal to give up but i've seen goalies in the NHL do the same thing

That play never should have happened... that one is on Likens as far as I'm concerned...

of course he is part blame, but that was a fluff shot Mont let in.

That play never should have happened... that one is on Likens as far as I'm concerned...


Not only should it have never happened, but Likens is sticking the hell out of Vrana, who knows where the puck is going to go.

The only thing MOntoya could have done was rush out and poke the puck away...but he obviously didn't trust Likens enough to keep his man tied up. I can't blame him, I wouldn't trust Likens to be able to tie his own skates.

Montoya clearly didn't expect that to go five hole, and neither did Vrana. Kudos to Likens for that one.

That play never should have happened... that one is on Likens as far as I'm concerned...

I agree with all of you, Likens and Montoya were pretty weak but why is it nowadays that rarely on a good move by player, that player never receive the credit he should receive. The goaltender always weak, a goaltender is never allowed to give a 5-hole goal, never ever....

We will start enjoying good offensive game whenver we will start applauding the one that score, not criticizing the ones that gave the goal.

That being said.......My god did Likens looked awful and Montoya was definately off balance but congrats to the Czech on a great move by Vrana from the Halifax Mooseheads :yo:

Don't forget the incredible save by Hluchy on Dowell just before that goal. They deserved it.

Montoya clearly didn't expect that to go five hole, and neither did Vrana. Kudos to Likens for that one.


Finally someone has a brain.

Just a few thoughts from me about this game and the tournament in total, inregards to team USA.

Despite scoring I wasn't really impressed with Porter. He took a couple of needless penalties.

Once again, Kessel impressed me. It seemed that with almost every US chance Kessel was involved. I'm truly looking forward to seeing him at next years WJC.

Suter really impressed me all tournament long. He's really solid back there. He would shut down many of the oppostions crafty players on the rush. The fact that the rest of the US defensive corps was weak probably made him look even better.

I really like Dan Fritche after this tournament...

As for Montoya? Yeah, he had a bad tournament. However from what I saw most of his problems can be fixed. The Rangers have Benoit Allaire as their Goalie coach. He will fix what's wrong with Montoya and the Rangers will have a good goalie in their system.

That's just my opinion...

How can you look at that play and say anything about Montoya.....you're an ambarassment to Canadians everywhere.

Weirdest comment of the thread...

The Americans were very weak in goals and on D, but they at least got the decency to show up for that game. Nice effort, they just didn't have the needed ressources. Nice to see a game that isn't a complete blow-out in this tournament for a change. I feel USA's fate could have been different with Parise in and Montoya not struggling as much. He's better than what he showed. I don't think he's to blame for that loss though. The team as a whole had limited potential.

Time for Canada to bring the pain!!!!!!!!!.Prediction:Phaneuf lays out Ovechkin

Not only should it have never happened, but Likens is sticking the hell out of Vrana, who knows where the puck is going to go.

The only thing MOntoya could have done was rush out and poke the puck away...but he obviously didn't trust Likens enough to keep his man tied up. I can't blame him, I wouldn't trust Likens to be able to tie his own skates.


:lol

From what I have seen of Montoya he seems to have 3 problems. High glove, 5 hole and rebounds. His posistioning and reflexes are fine. The rebounds can be taught.

The bigger concerns are the holes. 5 hole and high glove. 5 hole he can like work on by adjusting his stance a bit. The glove side seems to be a speed issue. I am not goalie coach so I don't know how arm speed can be worked on.

If he can fix those issues he'll be fine. He is still only 19.

As I predicted... Montoya blew it... and the American defense looked extremely weak on paper.

That was about as ugly of a goal as it gets, GAPING 5 hole.

That was about as ugly of a goal as it gets, GAPING 5 hole.

Very nice breakaway though.

Scores!!!!! Getzlaf 1-0 Canada

Scores!!!!! Getzlaf 1-0 Canada
umm wrong thread? :dunno:

Montoya played pretty terrible in that tournament. I'm shocked he went ahead of Schwarz and I was draft day too.

Montoya is garbage. I'd be nervous as heck if I was NY right now. I have NO idea how Montoya went ahead of Schwarz and sure am glad those rumors about FLA getting Montoya didn't come true.

Olesz got injured too, OMG HE'S FRAGILE I'm nervous for you guys. :help:

Olesz got injured too, OMG HE'S FRAGILE I'm nervous for you guys. :help:
Don't be. He'll be fine : ;)

I think Montoya should be too back at U of M.

Regardless of how critical I was of him and how bad he did play, he is still a top goalie prospect and so many prospects have bad WJ and still turn out allright to say the least as others have amaizing ones and become busts. Montoya will recover in a week or 2 IMO back home and hopefully will become good again as I actually did like Montoya before. It's too bad that he had so much pressure though as it was on National television and he had pressure to equal an amaizing performance last year and the same thing happened to him as what happened to Anthony Stewart though Stewart did turn it around in the last couple games and Montoya looked good in parts of some of the games too.

Don't be. He'll be fine : ;)

I think Montoya should be too back at U of M.

Regardless of how critical I was of him and how bad he did play, he is still a top goalie prospect and so many prospects have bad WJ and still turn out allright to say the least as others have amaizing ones and become busts. Montoya will recover in a week or 2 IMO back home and hopefully will become good again as I actually did like Montoya before. It's too bad that he had so much pressure though as it was on National television and he had pressure to equal an amaizing performance last year and the same thing happened to him as what happened to Anthony Stewart though Stewart did turn it around in the last couple games and Montoya looked good in parts of some of the games too.


i'm pretty critical of montoya...BUT...be fair. it's one bad tournament, and Fleury was awful last year...Lehtonen had a bad tournament in his second showing, as well. It seems like there's a curse on goalies at the WJC in their sophomore effort. He'll be fine.

Not surprised to hear Likens blew it on two goals. I think that statistically..if you looked back..he was on the ice for most of the goals against. Sandelin should be burned in effigy for continuing to put him on the first pairing. Even Lee looked better with Suter than Likens did. The sad thing is..this will just give more fodder to everyone talking about how overrated Suter is just because he was on the ice while goals were scored.

Yeah, like Phaneuf or even Scott Stevens could have covered Likens' sorry ass. Worst. Defenseman. Ever.

Pleasantly surprised by Borer and Hagemo. Goligoski was invisible and disappinting, Hunwick..was he even on the team? I don't know. Hopefully next year...Lee will be a year older and wiser..his size will be valuable..and Jack Johnson will take Suter's place.

And Jeff Likens will have retired from hockey to join the carpet sales business.

Thing is, Montoya hasn't been playing well all year. That IS a concern, not just the WJC alone.

Atta boy Vrana! Should've been on this team last year.....

Thing is, Montoya hasn't been playing well all year. That IS a concern, not just the WJC alone.

Atta boy Vrana! Should've been on this team last year.....


Really? You must catch a lot of US college hockey up there in Halifax, huh?

OR...you're just speculating based on what messageboard clowns have said. Montoya hasn't been bad at Michigan this year, at all.

I guess it all depends on how you define "bad". I happen to think very highly of Montoya but he has been very inconsistent at Michigan this season and has looked bad on a few occassions.

And people can say all they want about Likens but that puck has to be stopped by Montoya. Weak.

And people can say all they want about Likens but that puck has to be stopped by Montoya. Weak.

But that's under the erroneous assumption that EVERY shot can be stopped. Granted...Montoya let in several soft goals...but some of those rested solely on the defense's shoulders, as well. Notably the shoulders of one Jeff Likens.

Thing is, Montoya hasn't been playing well all year. That IS a concern, not just the WJC alone.

Atta boy Vrana! Should've been on this team last year.....
His shoulder wouldn't allow him. From what I heard he would have been a lock for last years team and was on the roster till the final days where the rosters had to be trimmed.

i think likens did every thing he could to stop vrana, he hooked him pretty hard, thats why the shot was fluffed. of course he shouldnt have been beat in the first place. i like montoya, and hope he ca turn it around, but there is no other way to say it.....he really struggled all tourny. he never looked confident, even in the good games. not that schneider looked any better.