[GER] (un)drafted germans - stats and talk

hey!

i thought it's about time to have a thread about the drafted germans. i will update their stats regularly and i will add some interesting undrafted germans soon. i will delete players such as goc when they are regulars on their NHL team.

Nashville Predators:
D Alexander Sulzer (92/2002): Duesseldorf Metro Stars (DEL) - 38 5 4 9 66

Ottawa Senators:
D Stefan Schauer (162/2001): Nuernberg Ice Tigers (DEL) - 36 1 4 5 53
D Christoph Schubert (127/2001): Binghamton Senators (AHL) - 41 6 11 17 55

Philadelphia Flyers:
D Dennis Seidenberg (172/2001): Philadelphia Phantoms (AHL) - 40 6 17 23 22

Phoenix Coyotes:
F Eduard Lewandowski (242/2003): Cologne Sharks (DEL) - 38 17 18 35 24

San Jose Sharks:
G Patrick Ehelechner (139/2003): Sudbury Wolves (OHL) - 38 2.44 .920
D Christian Ehrhoff (106/2001): Cleveland Barons (AHL) - 41 9 12 21 48
F Marcel Goc (20/2001): Cleveland Barons (AHL) - 38 9 13 22 17
G Thomas Greiss (94/2004): Cologne Sharks (DEL) - 5 2.58 .915
F Kai Hospelt (216/2003): Cologne Sharks (DEL) - 10 0 0 0 4
G Dimitri Patzold (107/2001): Cleveland Barons (AHL) - 22 2.38 .919

Washington Capitals:
G Robert Mueller (275/2001): Krefeld Penguins (DEL) - 33 2.89 .902

Eligible 2005:

F Thomas Pielmeier: Mannheim YoungEagles (DNL) - 25 21 20 41 79
F Christoph Gawlik: Berlin Polar Bears (DEL) - 10 0 2 2 6
Berlin Polar Bears Jr (GER3) - 7 3 3 6 4
F Daniel Pietta: Krefeld Penguins (DEL) - 1 0 0 0 0
EV Duisburg (GER2) - 36 7 10 17 42
F Philip Gogulla: Cologne Sharks (DEL) - 36 0 1 1 10
Mosquitoes Essen (GER2) - 3 0 0 0 0
F Sandro Schonberger: Tolzer YoungLions (DNL) - 26 15 14 29 44
D David Cespiva: Mannheim Eagles (DEL) - 13 0 0 0 2
Schwenninger Wild Wings (GER2) - 2 0 0 0 0
Heilbronner Falken (GER3) - 24 3 4 7 99
D Justin Krüger: Davos Jr (SuiJr) - N/A
D Philippe Haug: Ravensburg (GER3) - 27 0 2 2 4
D Moritz Muller: Cologne Sharks (DEL) - 30 0 0 0 30
D Florian Ondruschka: Weiden (GER2) - 31 2 6 8 12

Eligible 2006:

F Felix Schutz: Landshut Cannibals (GER2) - 13 1 2 3 4

Interesting Overagers:

F Michael Hackert: Frankfurt Lions (DEL) - 36 14 14 28 20
F Christoph Ullmann: Mannheim Eagles (DEL) - 36 8 6 14 68
F Alexander Barta: Berlin Polar Bears (DEL) - 37 6 5 11 26
F Fabio Carciola: Mannheim Eagles (DEL) - 27 3 6 9 18
Heilbronner Falken (GER3) - 3 0 1 1 0
F Philipp Schlager: Mannheim Eagles (DEL) - 3 0 0 0 0
Heilbronner Falken (GER3) - 31 6 11 17 40
D Nicolai Goc: Freiburg EHC (GER2) - 36 0 1 1 28
G Lukas Lang: Nuernberg Ice Tigers (DEL) - 6 1.37 .948
G Yuri Ziffzer: Berlin Polar Bears (DEL) - 1 9.00 .700
Berlin Polar Bears Jr (GER3) - 18 ?.?? .???

*update* (1/3/05)

added '05 and '06 draft eligible players and overagers to the list.

Fantastic idea.

Add to Daniel Pietta his 1. BL Stats from Duisburg.

Pietta, Daniel EVD 32 6 9 15 36

Pielmeier's Stats in the DNL are

Thomas PIELMEIER 15 Jungadler Mannheim 21 35 18 17 46

Fantastic idea.


i know. ;)


Add to Daniel Pietta his 1. BL Stats from Duisburg.

Pietta, Daniel EVD 32 6 9 15 36

Pielmeier's Stats in the DNL are

Thomas PIELMEIER 15 Jungadler Mannheim 21 35 18 17 46

added both and even some other 2nd/3rd-tier/junior stats. hard to find any information about the DNL somehow.
do the cologne sharks have a farm team in the 2nd or 3rd-tier? and what about lukas lang, did he play somewhere else?

anyway, i'll add some more players soon. if you have any ideas, go ahead. this thread should become the ultimate source for our north american buddies, especially for those in san jose. :D

i know. ;)

added both and even some other 2nd/3rd-tier/junior stats. hard to find any information about the DNL somehow.
do the cologne sharks have a farm team in the 2nd or 3rd-tier? and what about lukas lang, did he play somewhere else?

anyway, i'll add some more players soon. if you have any ideas, go ahead. this thread should become the ultimate source for our north american buddies, especially for those in san jose. :D

the youngsters of cologne went to Duisburg earlier, this season some are also in Riessersee since the Haie took a financial holding of the SC.

For the DNL you can find all kinds of information here (http://www.deb-online.de/neu/ligenspielbetrieb/nachwuchs/dnl/teams.htm)

I'm not sure but maybe Alexander Barta can be added to the overagers?

the youngsters of cologne went to Duisburg earlier, this season some are also in Riessersee since the Haie took a financial holding of the SC.


oh nice, so they can decide between 2nd and 3rd-tier. that's a good way.


For the DNL you can find all kinds of information here (http://www.deb-online.de/neu/ligenspielbetrieb/nachwuchs/dnl/teams.htm)


ah thanks. it's not really a great source, but better than nothing.


I'm not sure but maybe Alexander Barta can be added to the overagers?

i will think about it. the problem is that he may be too old to be interesting for NHL teams and as long as he won't dominate in the DEL, he won't get any chance.

oh nice, so they can decide between 2nd and 3rd-tier. that's a good way.

afaik this season there's only one player with a Förderlizenz in our roster who is not playing DEL. Name's Thomas Fischer, he's playing at Riessersee (but is injured at the moment) ... oh, and Hrstka did play there too but is now in the DEL team.


ah thanks. it's not really a great source, but better than nothing.

At least there are links to all the DNL team sites ;)

i will think about it. the problem is that he may be too old to be interesting for NHL teams and as long as he won't dominate in the DEL, he won't get any chance.

He's three months older than Ullmann, his stats are about the same. In addition he gave the better impression at the World Cup (imho, since he also played more).

At last I don't know which criteria you use for the above list, so it's all upon you ;)

Gawlik netted two assists today in the Eisbaren win against Dusseldorf.

afaik this season there's only one player with a Förderlizenz in our roster who is not playing DEL. Name's Thomas Fischer, he's playing at Riessersee (but is injured at the moment) ... oh, and Hrstka did play there too but is now in the DEL team.


i did expect a lot more players with a FÖ in cologne. maybe zach is aging, eh?


At least there are links to all the DNL team sites ;)


true, but some team sites are just horrible, for example the one of the jungadler. :)


He's three months older than Ullmann, his stats are about the same. In addition he gave the better impression at the World Cup (imho, since he also played more).


ullmann was a borderliner for the list. it's just that i like him and i think he has some more upside.


At last I don't know which criteria you use for the above list, so it's all upon you ;)

hehe, i don't even know if i use any criteria. :D
the problem with overagers is that a 22y old player for example should be one of the better scorers in his league to be considered a shot for the draft. neither ullmann nor barta are better scorers, but they improved a lot and still can do better. i don't expect both to be drafted this year (besides the CBA drama), but i wouldn't be surprised if they would be. still i think that ullmann is the better player if he could develop all his strengths, so i'd be surprised if barta would be chosen and ullmann not. but i'll add barta to the list, because you convinced me. ;)

i did expect a lot more players with a FÖ in cologne. maybe zach is aging, eh?

Whow, hold on. I said, there's only one player with a FL NOT PLAYING DEL. We currently have 5 FL players in the DEL roster. I don't count Ohmann in there because he only got one for backing up Rogles while Greiss is at the U20.
Hrstka will go back to Riessersee as soon as our injured players come back but that could take a while...

Loke friends who attend some Junghaie-matchups told me the big problem for the future will be that there are no players of the quality as Hospelt or Muller at the Junghaie this year.

Whow, hold on. I said, there's only one player with a FL NOT PLAYING DEL. We currently have 5 FL players in the DEL roster. I don't count Ohmann in there because he only got one for backing up Rogles while Greiss is at the U20.
Hrstka will go back to Riessersee as soon as our injured players come back but that could take a while...


i'm well aware that cologne has a lot of FLers on their DEL-roster, but i expect from cologne and hans zach to have more FLer than other teams. but i could start another discussion about hans "mr.arrogant" zach, but i think it won't come to an end then.


Loke friends who attend some Junghaie-matchups told me the big problem for the future will be that there are no players of the quality as Hospelt or Muller at the Junghaie this year.

that won't be a problem because they will buy some guys from other teams. kassel has some nice young guys with DEL upside, so take them.
but in general i think that the german youth development slowed down again. it's true that more and more germans play in the DEL, but i don't see a lot of guys with the potential to play maybe NHL. 2001 was a big year, even 2003 was good, but that's it maybe for a while. the only hope is that some guys who went unnoticed by german national coaches will rise once in a while. maybe some guys who are not from the probably much scouted hockey centers (mannheim, berlin, cologne, bavaria in general).

Philippe Schlager
Alex Feistl
Nicolai Goc

that won't be a problem because they will buy some guys from other teams. kassel has some nice young guys with DEL upside, so take them.
but in general i think that the german youth development slowed down again. it's true that more and more germans play in the DEL, but i don't see a lot of guys with the potential to play maybe NHL. 2001 was a big year, even 2003 was good, but that's it maybe for a while. the only hope is that some guys who went unnoticed by german national coaches will rise once in a while. maybe some guys who are not from the probably much scouted hockey centers (mannheim, berlin, cologne, bavaria in general).


I don't think the youth development has slowed down. If you look at the 2001 draft, there were a lot of overage Germans drafted.
Ehrhoff's draft-year would have been 2000, Schubert's as well, Seidenberg's 1999 and Müller's 1998. These guys came out of nowhere, played great in the DEL and the World Championships. If it weren't for Germany playing such a surprising WC with a young core, I don't think all of these guys would have been drafted that year.

Philippe Schlager

he's already an overager and not even a regular for mannheim. but he's born late in 86, so i will add him to the overagers.


Alex Feistl


he's a late 85, so he should be a regular in the DEL as of now which he is not. but i don't know much about him, so tell me more.


Nicolai Goc

also an overager and just playing 2nd-tier league while his stats are not so good. but being a regular on freiburg's team is good nevertheless. have you seen him play? does he have similar upside to his brothers?

I don't think the youth development has slowed down. If you look at the 2001 draft, there were a lot of overage Germans drafted.
Ehrhoff's draft-year would have been 2000, Schubert's as well, Seidenberg's 1999 and Müller's 1998. These guys came out of nowhere, played great in the DEL and the World Championships. If it weren't for Germany playing such a surprising WC with a young core, I don't think all of these guys would have been drafted that year.

ok, that's a good point. but at least there's no development in the last few years. the national teams, no matter of what age they are, are still beaten ugly in most games and the gap between germany and other nations like switzerland is still huge. i don't see many players that are somehow promising prospects and could play in the NHL one day. the only position that germany can develop very nice is goaltending. that was and never will be a problem. but why aren't they able to develop some good forwards?

Michael Hackert should also be a overaged player with chances to be drafted!!He is really a big surprise....

Well, I personally have that feeling that it won't be long before both M. Hackert and Lewandowski (Pheonix pick) give North America a try. Especially this season, NHL organizations and GMs have little more to do other than lay off workers, and uhhhhh, scout Europe! Hackert and Lewandowski broke through last season, but both are having wonderful seasons this year. Both look to have over 40 points and both have earned the title of being considered "Power Forwards"!

Well, I personally have that feeling that it won't be long before both M. Hackert and Lewandowski (Pheonix pick) give North America a try. Especially this season, NHL organizations and GMs have little more to do other than lay off workers, and uhhhhh, scout Europe! Hackert and Lewandowski broke through last season, but both are having wonderful seasons this year. Both look to have over 40 points and both have earned the title of being considered "Power Forwards"!

For Lewandowski I more and more doubt that he ever will try NA. He's is a very down-to-earth boy and he will have his difficulties learning english. I don't think that the money aspect will be that big for him since after the new CBA rookies won't earn that much anymore and he can get some good money her too.
Afaik he already rejected an offer from the PHX the last summer.

Beyond that I really would like to see him here in Cologne a few more years ;)

N. Goc: Have seen him just once, but he did impress me with his patience and being very calm.
Often called the most talented Goc, so that´s my point why he should be included in this list (maybe not the most dedicated Goc...)

A. Feistl: Small forward, very gifted, plays rough and is really dedicated - size is IMO the only issue

I an online chat interview at www.adlerfans.de Jochen Hecht today was asked in which german DEL players he has the confidence to make the NHL. He answered "ullman, barta, hackert, müller". For Barta I guess he meant Alexander and for Müller most likely Robert.
Full log of the chat can be found here (http://adlerfans.de/forum/showthread.php?t=12112). Answers to questions delievered in the run-up of the chat will be published in the next days.

WOW :D :

Beim Eishockeyspiel in der Deutschen Nachwuchs-Liga (DNL) zwischen den Eisbären Juniors Berlin und den Jungadler Mannheim (6:8) kam es zu einer Massenschlägerei.

Ersatzspieler beider Mannschaften stürmten aufs Eis. Eisbären-Manager Peter John Lee kreidete den Nachwuchstrainern die Schuld für den Zwischenfall an: "Die sind dafür verantwortlich."

Insgesamt verhängte der Unparteiische 269. Strafminuten, sieben Matchstrafen und drei Spieldauerstrafen.

I thought the DNL was a "no-hitting" league, how did this happen?

WOW :D :



I thought the DNL was a "no-hitting" league, how did this happen?


Finally our youth players are showing some toughness.
:yo: :yo:

I thought the DNL was a "no-hitting" league, how did this happen?

Well, it's still the Eisbären.........

and Mannheim.

Too much exchange of players to have just a good game.
Hate, player exchange...dirty game.

maybe not the most dedicated Goc... which of the goc´s really is dedicated? marcel? i don´t think so; neither sascha...

Hehe - read carefully.

I didn´t say that one of the Goc is really dedicated.
I just did say that Nikolai Goc might not be the most dedicated of the three.

G Yuri Ziffzer: Berlin Polar Bears (DEL) - 1 9.00 .700
Berlin Polar Bears Jr (GER3) - 15 ?.?? .???


Berlin Polar Bears Jr (GER3) - 18 3.76 .???

Berlin Polar Bears Jr (GER3) - 18 3.76 .???

do you have a source for that?

update:
- added ondruschka, schonberger and hackert.
- david cespiva is now playing for schwenningen instead of heilbronn.
- fabio carciola is injured.
- patrick ehelechner was named an OHL all-star.
- still searching for stats of justin kruger (davos jr.)
- does someone know if felix schutz is playing elsewhere than just landshut in the 2nd-tier? he's not listed on the roster of their DNL team.
- is ziffzer backup in berlin or did he lose his job to dshunussow?

i just read that stefan schauer signed a new 2-year deal with nuernberg. good for him. he's getting a good amount of ice-time and is well-respected there.

fabio carciola is playing again tonight and yuri ziffzer is getting the start against iserlohn.

Carciola is injured?
Didn't he just score the gamewinner an hour ago?

- does someone know if felix schutz is playing elsewhere than just landshut in the 2nd-tier? he's not listed on the roster of their DNL team.


According to DEL Online DNL stats Schuetz played 3 games for the Landshut DNL team recording 5 goals and 4 Assists.

Carciola is injured?
Didn't he just score the gamewinner an hour ago?

yes he did. a week ago i heard he's out for a longer period and i was quite surprised when i checked the boxscore today. nice way to get back on track.

According to DEL Online DNL stats Schuetz played 3 games for the Landshut DNL team recording 5 goals and 4 Assists.

oh, i didn't check that. i was on the off.site of the young cannibals and he wasn't on their roster. therefore i thought he is not eligible to play or so.

yes he did. a week ago i heard he's out for a longer period and i was quite surprised when i checked the boxscore today. nice way to get back on track.


Wehre you heart that with the longterm injury? i spoked to him a week ago and there he told me that he returns against Cologne (yesterday)

According to DEL Online DNL stats Schuetz played 3 games for the Landshut DNL team recording 5 goals and 4 Assists.

he also played for Ingolstadt in DEB cup ,lately.

Eligible 2006:

F Felix Schutz: Landshut Cannibals (GER2) - 13 1 2 3 4

You can put on list Rene Kramer (Polar Bears Berlin) ,too. According to Uwe Krupp who coached him last summer ( U-18) very promissing D-men.

Philip Gogulla scored his first goal today. He seems to get much icetime lately, playing with Boos and Furchner.
Thomas Greiss played as well, making 36 saves in the 4-1 win.