Make Ladd the 13th forward.

I'm sure I am not the only one who has been completely underwhelmed by Andrew Ladd. He was pretty much invisible in the game against Finland and the only time I noticed him against Switzerland was when he was coughing up the puck. He reportedly didn't play particularly well at the camp and he didn't do a whole lot to improve his standing here. I really think Sutter needs to make him the 13th forward.

Perry has played pretty well and it is obvious he has infinite more skill than Ladd. (I also think talk of him being a liability are grossly exaggerated) If Perry doesn't have a regular spot in the top-4 lines, I'm going to be pretty dissapointed.

Here are my suggestions for lines:

Bergeron - Crosby - Colliton
Dawes - Richards - Stewart
Perry - Carter - Getzlaf
MacArthur - Fraser - Dixon

I really like the idea of slotting Perry in alongside Carter & Getzlaf. He adds a lot more skill to the line and gives Canada three dominant offensive lines. Getzlaf & Carter are also well rounded enough to negate Perry's (overstated) shortcomings.

I'm sure I am not the only one who has been completely underwhelmed by Andrew Ladd. He was pretty much invisible in the game against Finland and the only time I noticed him against Switzerland was when he was coughing up the puck. He reportedly didn't play particularly well at the camp and he didn't do a whole lot to improve his standing here. I really think Sutter needs to make him the 13th forward.

Perry has played pretty well and it is obvious he has infinite more skill than Ladd. (I also think talk of him being a liability are grossly exaggerated) If Perry doesn't have a regular spot in the top-4 lines, I'm going to be pretty dissapointed.

Here are my suggestions for lines:

Bergeron - Crosby - Colliton
Dawes - Richards - Stewart
Perry - Carter - Getzlaf
MacArthur - Fraser - Dixon

I really like the idea of slotting Perry in alongside Carter & Getzlaf. He adds a lot more skill to the line and gives Canada three dominant offensive lines. Getzlaf & Carter are also well rounded enough to negate Perry's (overstated) shortcomings.

I agree, Ladd looked very out of place tonight and Perry has impressed even though i'm not a fan of his. I like the idea of him playing with Getzlaf and Carter, who are both defensively responsible and can find the back of the net. Perry can set them up and they can finish.

Blows my mind how he went 4th overall.

Blows my mind how he went 4th overall.

Blows mine how many Ranger fans still want him over Montoya...

At the very end of the game, he showed why some said that he could develop into a power-forward, he had a good shift where he overpowered the opposition while going around the net, he was alone in the offensive zone though.

Blows my mind that Carolina didn't trade down and draft Stafford.

Blows mine how many Ranger fans still want him over Montoya...
I still don't see how Ladd got taken over guys like Olesz, Tukonen, Montoya, etc.

Just say no to Andrew Ladd. ™

Why do you think Columbus traded down? (They originally had the 4th pick) Smart move by MacLean, picking up a better player in Picard, 8th overall.

I'm sure I am not the only one who has been completely underwhelmed by Andrew Ladd. He was pretty much invisible in the game against Finland and the only time I noticed him against Switzerland was when he was coughing up the puck. He reportedly didn't play particularly well at the camp and he didn't do a whole lot to improve his standing here. I really think Sutter needs to make him the 13th forward.

Perry has played pretty well and it is obvious he has infinite more skill than Ladd. (I also think talk of him being a liability are grossly exaggerated) If Perry doesn't have a regular spot in the top-4 lines, I'm going to be pretty dissapointed.

Here are my suggestions for lines:

Bergeron - Crosby - Colliton
Dawes - Richards - Stewart
Perry - Carter - Getzlaf
MacArthur - Fraser - Dixon

I really like the idea of slotting Perry in alongside Carter & Getzlaf. He adds a lot more skill to the line and gives Canada three dominant offensive lines. Getzlaf & Carter are also well rounded enough to negate Perry's (overstated) shortcomings.

Completely agree. He's not fast, he doesn't have great hands, he's not that smart, and he's incredibly stiff out there. If Colliton is in the line-up, Ladd should defenitely be the spare forward.

I'm sure I am not the only one who has been completely underwhelmed by Andrew Ladd. He was pretty much invisible in the game against Finland and the only time I noticed him against Switzerland was when he was coughing up the puck. He reportedly didn't play particularly well at the camp and he didn't do a whole lot to improve his standing here. I really think Sutter needs to make him the 13th forward.

Perry has played pretty well and it is obvious he has infinite more skill than Ladd. (I also think talk of him being a liability are grossly exaggerated) If Perry doesn't have a regular spot in the top-4 lines, I'm going to be pretty dissapointed.

Here are my suggestions for lines:

Bergeron - Crosby - Colliton
Dawes - Richards - Stewart
Perry - Carter - Getzlaf
MacArthur - Fraser - Dixon

I really like the idea of slotting Perry in alongside Carter & Getzlaf. He adds a lot more skill to the line and gives Canada three dominant offensive lines. Getzlaf & Carter are also well rounded enough to negate Perry's (overstated) shortcomings.

Couldn't agree more. Especially with the Perry slotting.

Couldn't agree more. Especially with the Perry slotting.

I agree, especially with Ladd, he looks out of his league almost with this skilled Canadian team. I REALLY like Perry with Crosby and Bergeron. I'm hoping that they could stay together even when Colliton returns. Could Colliton play on the 4th line where McCarthur is? McCarthur deserves to be on one of those top two lines and could fill in the spot where Ladd is currently very nicely.

Blows my mind how he went 4th overall.

Carolina has one of the worst and smallest scouting staffs in NHL, I think they basically go with the independant scoting service scouting, so it is not surprising they took him so early, what is surprising is how high he was rated by many of the independent scouting services.

It was tough to watch him miss that pass from Perry when he was parked at the side of the net.

Get your stick on the ice and pay attention lol.

He has done nothin except for finish his checks.

I agree he looked lost and a couple of times he completly lost sense of where the puck was when he had scoring chances. He should be the 13th forward because he is not that great when he is not scoring.

MacArthur is the man. I did not know alot about him before he is impressing me more and more as they play. He seems like a good bet to be a 3rd liner in the NHL.
He is great at killing penalties and loves the physical play.

Completely agree. He's not fast, he doesn't have great hands, he's not that smart, and he's incredibly stiff out there. If Colliton is in the line-up, Ladd should defenitely be the spare forward.

I also completely agree. Wally112pac mentioned that one play with Perry that sticks out in my mind especially.

I'm also going to say that I've been underwhelmed by the Carter line in general Ryan Getzlaf hasn't really gotten going yet, and Carter has been carrying that line. Personally I'd love to try and break it up a bit, try something new completely.

Maybe something like

Bergeron - Crosby - Getzlaf
Dawes - Richards - Stewart
Perry - Carter - Colliton
Macarthur - Fraser - Dixon

Maybe putting Getzlaf with Crosby and Bergeron could light a fire under him, plus I think he'd look great on that line.

I also completely agree. Wally112pac mentioned that one play with Perry that sticks out in my mind especially.

I'm also going to say that I've been underwhelmed by the Carter line in general Ryan Getzlaf hasn't really gotten going yet, and Carter has been carrying that line. Personally I'd love to try and break it up a bit, try something new completely.

Maybe something like

Bergeron - Crosby - Getzlaf
Dawes - Richards - Stewart
Perry - Carter - Colliton
Macarthur - Fraser - Dixon

Maybe putting Getzlaf with Crosby and Bergeron could light a fire under him, plus I think he'd look great on that line.

Personally, I almost suggest moving Macarthur up to where Colliton is playing. I think Colliton's size is kind of unnecessary if Perry and Carter are there, and Macarthur's more gifted.

Personally, I almost suggest moving Macarthur up to where Colliton is playing. I think Colliton's size is kind of unnecessary if Perry and Carter are there, and Macarthur's more gifted.

Yeah I actually thought of that too, and the more I think about it, the more I like it.

Crosby's line will light it up but dont underestimate the Oreo Line....

Blows my mind that Carolina didn't trade down and draft Stafford.


Meanwhile Columbus traded down 4 spots and got a better player.

Here are my suggestions for lines:

Bergeron - Crosby - Colliton
Dawes - Richards - Stewart
Perry - Carter - Getzlaf
MacArthur - Fraser - Dixon


I'd suggest a swap of Perry and Stewart.. Stewart played with Carter and Getzlaf last year and they were awesome together, don't see the problem with a reunion.

Wow, all aboard the Ladd-hating bandwagon..

It's two exhibition games, I havn't seen him play often but two exhibition games shouldn't alter opinions on a guy that drastically

Wow, all aboard the Ladd-hating bandwagon..

It's two exhibition games, I havn't seen him play often but two exhibition games shouldn't alter opinions on a guy that drastically
Well, I think his fairly average season has a lot to do with it too. He just hasn't lived up to expectations, so far anyway.

Wow, all aboard the Ladd-hating bandwagon..

It's two exhibition games, I havn't seen him play often but two exhibition games shouldn't alter opinions on a guy that drastically

A lot of people had reservations about his inclusion on the team from the outset. (due to average season + reportedly poor camp) The exhibition games are just further examples.

And I really don't think it's hating on Ladd. This is a stacked Canadian lineup and, if you aren't pulling your weight, you are going to sit on the bench. Corey Perry has, without question, outplayed Ladd to this point and it would be doing Perry (and the team) a disservice to give Perry 13th forward minutes while letting Ladd play a regular shift.

I still believe Ladd can become a fine player in the NHL. But, right now, he is simply being outplayed by the rest of the forwards and should be relegated to the 13th forward slot.

I'd suggest a swap of Perry and Stewart.. Stewart played with Carter and Getzlaf last year and they were awesome together, don't see the problem with a reunion.

That was Brent Burns on the "Goof Troop" line. Stewart has always been with Richards and Dawes.

I like the idea of putting Perry with Getzlaf, as they're familiar with each other, and Carter makes it a very nice line. I did think Perry did well on the top line, so I'd rather keep him there, though. Colliton would be perfect on a line with Fraser and Dixon IMO.


My lines for X-Mas Day:

Bergeron-Crosby-Perry.......This would have to be one of the most amazing scoring lines Canada's ever put on ice, the top two scorers in the CHL and the one pro player on the team

McArthur-Carter-Getzlaf.......Getz and Carter work great together, while adding McArthur's energy and skill would make it a nice line; McArthur also reminds me of Brent Burns, their "Goof Troop" linemate.

Dawes-Richards-Stewart........I like the line, and they have chemistry, but I think the emergence of these two lines bumps these guys down to the third unit

Colliton-Fraser-Dixon.......Very awesome checking line, could definetely wear down other teams' top units

Ladd........Very unimpressive through two games, so he rides pine for now

I still believe Ladd can become a fine player in the NHL. But, right now, he is simply being outplayed by the rest of the forwards and should be relegated to the 13th forward slot.

Comparing him to the players involved is fair and I have no problem with that. However, a lot of it is bashing considering many are hating on Carolina for taking him at #4, he was pretty much a consensus 4th pick, someone was gonna take him there and I don't think it's fair to compare him to Picard considering Ladd is at WJC and Picard is not.

By the way, I am a Picard fan, I like him much better than Ladd. This isn't an argument of whether Picard is in fact a better prospect, but rather the validity of an argument that holds its basis on one player's performance in the WJC when the other player being compared isn't even participating.

That was Brent Burns on the "Goof Troop" line. Stewart has always been with Richards and Dawes.


Oh yes, I was a little iffy with my memory there and wasn't even too sure Stewart was with them but I couldn't think of anyone else it could have been.

But ya now that my memory is jogged back a bit, Burns sure was the one with them, I take back my comment :)

In that case, I'd keep willie's lines

Wow, all aboard the Ladd-hating bandwagon..

It's two exhibition games, I havn't seen him play often but two exhibition games shouldn't alter opinions on a guy that drastically

Well, in the two games I've seem him in this week he's been not just ineffective, but costly. His positioning has been poor, his passes have been off mark, he has had no finish and (most importantly) he's been losing every battle along the boards and in the corners. He's bigger than Dawes but Dawes keeps digging and wins. Ladd doesn't seem to.

Well, in the two games I've seem him in this week he's been not just ineffective, but costly. His positioning has been poor, his passes have been off mark, he has had no finish and (most importantly) he's been losing every battle along the boards and in the corners. He's bigger than Dawes but Dawes keeps digging and wins. Ladd doesn't seem to.

So the battle he won to help set up carter's 2nd goal was what? He has been effective physically and solid defensively and is very strong on the cycle which is what that line will be money at in the tournament.

Wow, all aboard the Ladd-hating bandwagon..

It's two exhibition games, I havn't seen him play often but two exhibition games shouldn't alter opinions on a guy that drastically

Yeah, I've really been impressed by Ladd when I've seen him. I find that he always seems to win battles along the boards and is a good physical presence. He is also pretty sound positionally. I see him as a great lunch bucket guy who is willing to take a beating to finish a play and has the hands to do the job as well.

I still don't see how Ladd got taken over guys like Olesz, Tukonen, Montoya, etc.

I'll try to show you :)

Ladd was widely acknowledged as a top 5 pick..

Olesz was .. until he got violated by Dion Phaneuf and there were questions about injuries and him being soft.. which are ridiculous, I'd like to see anyone get up from that hit

Tukonen was .. his drop is pretty much impossible to explain but LA got quite lucky.. anyways, Ladd was taken over him because many felt Ladd's defensive game was stronger and Ladd showed versatility along with glimpses of power forward potential

Montoya was .. but a goalie is just not what Carolina was looking for I suppose, yes in the first round you should generally go with the rule of thumb of going with best available, but to many scouts, Ladd was just that


I don't think there's a problem with arguing that a guy shouldn't be playing for Canada because he isn't one of the top-12 guys to put out on the ice, however I do feel there is a problem with proclaiming him unfit to be chosen where he was, it hasn't even been a year yet guys.. take it easy

He did definitely look out of place during the game. I was very disapointed. He was running into Carter and Getzlaf more than being part of the play.

But there are some that say they sould put Perry on that line instead, I think put Colliton on that line and keep Perry with Bergeron and Crosby (he looked very good with them).

I don't know what was up with Ladd, having not seen his play during the camps and the first exhibition game, I thought most of the critiques of him were slightly biased (you know the 'easterners'). But now I see that they were right. I hope he pulls it together.

Blows my mind how he went 4th overall.

The role he is playing with Team Canada is from Sutter and he is not on the Getzlaf and Carter line to score goals and dance around with the puck, but to crash some bodies and play good defence. Ladd can definitely score, 31 g's last year in the dub at 18, but he is playing a role like Burns did on that line last year/

Wow, all aboard the Ladd-hating bandwagon..

It's two exhibition games, I havn't seen him play often but two exhibition games shouldn't alter opinions on a guy that drastically

Yeah, he made Team Canada, he sucks!!!! :mad:

Where is Bernier, Pouliot, Brule, Stone, Fehr, etc.??? Oh yeah, I forgot, at home eating turkey lurkey!! :cheers:

I'll try to show you :)

Ladd was widely acknowledged as a top 5 pick..

Olesz was .. until he got violated by Dion Phaneuf and there were questions about injuries and him being soft.. which are ridiculous, I'd like to see anyone get up from that hit

Tukonen was .. his drop is pretty much impossible to explain but LA got quite lucky.. anyways, Ladd was taken over him because many felt Ladd's defensive game was stronger and Ladd showed versatility along with glimpses of power forward potential

Montoya was .. but a goalie is just not what Carolina was looking for I suppose, yes in the first round you should generally go with the rule of thumb of going with best available, but to many scouts, Ladd was just that


I don't think there's a problem with arguing that a guy shouldn't be playing for Canada because he isn't one of the top-12 guys to put out on the ice, however I do feel there is a problem with proclaiming him unfit to be chosen where he was, it hasn't even been a year yet guys.. take it easy
Thanks for your opinion.
I disagree, but that you have provided some good information. Having seen Ladd a few times, I don't know A TON about him, but he seemed to only play well with Getzlaf really, and struggle without him. The reason everyone is dumping on him is, he is a great player, but many think that he is not a top 5 pick. So people have higher-expectations for him, then, say they would have for him if he was a mid 1st round pick.

So the battle he won to help set up carter's 2nd goal was what?

That was Getzlaf, not Ladd.

I don't see how you can not give Perry minutes right now. He lead the team in scoring in the two camp exhibition games, and has followed it up with 2 multi-point nights in the two team exhibition games.

The role he is playing with Team Canada is from Sutter and he is not on the Getzlaf and Carter line to score goals and dance around with the puck, but to crash some bodies and play good defence. Ladd can definitely score, 31 g's last year in the dub at 18, but he is playing a role like Burns did on that line last year/

Burns didn't play that role last year. Even with Carter on the line, Burns was the one leading the rush up the ice and into the offensive zone with that line. That line really didn't have a presence like that last year. All three are more of bigger guys who play finesse games. All three were expected to crash some bodies and play defense and to score goals.

I know it seems like an "hate on Ladd" thread but really he has no buisness being on that team. Stone had a better camp than him and should have been there instead. I wonder if it was because he was the only true left winger out of the bunch that he was picked. I even wonder if Chipchura would have made this team...or even picard...

I always said the same thing about Andrew Ladd. He was the "flavour of the year". Yes, he had a great year (mainly because of Getzlaf), but this year even on a strong team and with an unbelievable center, he failed to produce points. 2 years ago, this kid was in Junior A and we can understand why. People got too high on him and if he makes the NHL, he will never be more than a 3rd line winger.

The role he is playing with Team Canada is from Sutter and he is not on the Getzlaf and Carter line to score goals and dance around with the puck, but to crash some bodies and play good defence. Ladd can definitely score, 31 g's last year in the dub at 18, but he is playing a role like Burns did on that line last year/

Are you kidding me? Burns played a very big role last year. I remember how he was the dominant physical force. Comparing him to Andrew Ladd is a shame.

Ladd is a one year wonder.

Burns didn't play that role last year. Even with Carter on the line, Burns was the one leading the rush up the ice and into the offensive zone with that line. That line really didn't have a presence like that last year. All three are more of bigger guys who play finesse games. All three were expected to crash some bodies and play defense and to score goals.

Yeah, Burnsy absolutely lit it up last year at the WJC, what, ummmm....let's see....a bit fat 0 for goals scored!! I guess you were the only one expecting him to score goals last year. Burns has never scored even a decent amount at the junior or pro level, so if you were expecting him to score last year, you were so wrong! He was a big body, energy guy, crashing opponents whenever he had the chance. He may have led some rushes up the ice, but he definitely wasn't the one finishing them. All three guys last year used their big frames to hit the other team, but Carter and Getz were not as active as Burns, so don't even go there.

Yeah, Burnsy absolutely lit it up last year at the WJC, what, ummmm....let's see....a bit fat 0 for goals scored!! I guess you were the only one expecting him to score goals last year. Burns has never scored even a decent amount at the junior or pro level, so if you were expecting him to score last year, you were so wrong! He was a big body, energy guy, crashing opponents whenever he had the chance. He may have led some rushes up the ice, but he definitely wasn't the one finishing them. All three guys last year used their big frames to hit the other team, but Carter and Getz were not as active as Burns, so don't even go there.

You make it sound like Burns was Jordin Tootoo out there.

Crashing bodies isn't Burns game. He can be physical, but more or less when he needs to be, especially since his conversion to defense in Houston. And if you don't remember seing Burns leading the majority of rushes for that line, then you are severely forgetful, or maybe just blind. Why do you think he had so many assists last year? Because he was leading the rushes (with all three being excellent skaters), and Carter and Getzlaf finishing off those chances.

I tend to think that you have probably never seen Burns play other then the WJC's last year where he was snake bitten for a goal, but he still played well. The reason Burns' draft ranking went up so high in 2003 was because he was among the top scorers in the OHL's second half, so he clearly can score. He was also a force in the playoffs for Brampton.

So you didn't expect Burns to score last year? What type of moron doesn't expect a forward to score on a scoring line? Isn't that his primary job? to puck pucks in the net. Especially a player coming from the NHL. So is Andrew Ladd just on that line to hit people and stay off the score sheet? Let Carter and Getzlaf do all the offensive work and Ladd just hits people eh? Don't put the puck in the net. If Sutter wanted that he would have simply taken Zach Stortini or something, not someone like Ladd. If you are playing on a scoring line, you have to be expected to produce offensively. Obviously there are other sides to the game, physical and defensive awareness, but your main job as a line is to produce.

Ladd is a one year wonder.
Wrong. The kid has the skill to go places, as well as the size. Next year he'll be one of the best players on the team(excluding Crosby).

Wrong. The kid has the skill to go places, as well as the size. Next year he'll be one of the best players on the team(excluding Crosby).

He's not eligible next year.

Ladd is a one year wonder.

Wow, great arguement. :shakehead

Wrong. The kid has the skill to go places, as well as the size. Next year he'll be one of the best players on the team(excluding Crosby).

That's your opinion.

We will find out in 3 years.

Wow, great arguement. :shakehead

Where is your argument to say he isnt??

16 and 17 he wasnt on the radar....18 he breaks onto the scene with 80 pts in 70 gams. Then at 19 disappears again.

Well, I think his fairly average season has a lot to do with it too. He just hasn't lived up to expectations, so far anyway.
whose expectations? he hasnt played a pro game yet. how does everyone judge a guy at 19, 20? everyone must be that age or younger, cuz i have a hard time seeing how a grown adult could look at ladd and say - he just isnt good enough. if edm had drafted him at either of their spots, or the leafs somehow traded up and took him in the teens - everyone would be calling him a steal and debating how good he'll be as a pro. i think basically because carolina took him, and they suck and everyone hates them, he inherits the general disdain for the team. as a cane fan, and a fan of hockey, i think he is perfectly fine for the canes. he is a solid prospect and imo a sure fire guy to at least make the top 6 on the canes. how can anyone complain about that? so what if he was fourth, everyone after the top 3 was a crapshoot. who cares if he never scores more than 20 a season. everything ive heard is that he can play strong, but isnt consistent (like every kid his age), has a decent scoring touch (he'll help the canes), and is a solid allaround player. not good enough for your team? got too many of those guys? fine, the canes sure as hell dont - the bashing is getting old.

The expectations for 4th overall picks isnt to take a step backwards.

He is well under a ppg and last year he was OVER a ppg.

I think most people had expected Ladd to continue to put up the points this season, not take a huge step backwards.

Just the way I see it though.

The expectations for 4th overall picks isnt to take a step backwards.

He is well under a ppg and last year he was OVER a ppg.

I think most people had expected Ladd to continue to put up the points this season, not take a huge step backwards.

Just the way I see it though.
really, has every 4th overall pick taken huge steps forward ijn the year after? the only negative reports ive seen on ladd this year have been people around here criticising his selection. all the reports ive read on other web sites are saying he has gone sideways, and might have been better served going pro, because his game is more suited to it. who cares what his points are. im a whaler/ canes fan and jeff oneill went 5th to us in 94. he scored something like 140/150 pts a year both before and after his draft year. he didnt do diddly as a pro until he was 24 or 25. was he a waste? was jason bonsignore, the 4th overall pick in that draft a better selection? there is no track record or list of objectives for a 18 year old kid to follow post draft to better avoid critisicms of people who have never, or will ever come close to accomplishing what any of these kids already have.
ps his stats arent nearly bad enough to say he went backwards, and his pm stats would suggest he is working on being a decent all around player with toughness.

there is no track record or list of objectives for a 18 year old kid to follow post draft to better avoid critisicms of people who have never, or will ever come close to accomplishing what any of these kids already have.

So because I am not as good a hockey player as Andrew Ladd it doesnt give me the right to talk about how his game has gone the last year??

The boards would be VERY slow if we couldnt comment on players better than us.

So because I am not as good a hockey player as Andrew Ladd it doesnt give me the right to talk about how his game has gone the last year??

The boards would be VERY slow if we couldnt comment on players better than us.
the point was that you said he hasnt lived up to be 4th overall. take a look at all the 4th overall picks(or third and fifth for that matter), come back with the stats and lets make an honest judgement on not only what the proper expectations are for the 4th pick in the months being drafted - but lets chart out his whole career. if thats the basis for being against him, back it up so we all know what a 4th overall should doing at this point. despite of being the only forward from the 04 draft(obviously crosby is another young player) to even make this team, he still gets nothing but greif from people. these are exhibition games for the love of god. who knows what sutter told him or any of them to do.

the point was that you said he hasnt lived up to be 4th overall. take a look at all the 4th overall picks(or third and fifth for that matter), come back with the stats and lets make an honest judgement on not only what the proper expectations are for the 4th pick in the months being drafted - but lets chart out his whole career. if thats the basis for being against him, back it up so we all know what a 4th overall should doing at this point. despite of being the only forward from the 04 draft(obviously crosby is another young player) to even make this team, he still gets nothing but greif from people. these are exhibition games for the love of god. who knows what sutter told him or any of them to do.

Maybe i expected more of Ladd. Everyone has thier opinion.

Him being a surprise on the scene last year has me skeptical. No on even knew who Andrew Ladd was when he was 16 and 17. Then All of a sudden at 18 he rips up the WHL. The same for Benoit Pouliot this year. People have him ranked so high. For all we know he could be a 1 year wonder, like I THINK Ladd will be. Many will disagree with me though.

Maybe i expected more of Ladd. Everyone has thier opinion.

Him being a surprise on the scene last year has me skeptical. No on even knew who Andrew Ladd was when he was 16 and 17. Then All of a sudden at 18 he rips up the WHL. The same for Benoit Pouliot this year. People have him ranked so high. For all we know he could be a 1 year wonder, like I THINK Ladd will be. Many will disagree with me though.

It's not exactly a piece of cake to do what Ladd did last year. Granted he did have some help with Getzlaf there, one does need a tremendous amount of skill to amount to his totals. If he was capable of doing what he did, then I'm sure he's capable of something worthwhile in his career.. but whether that means NHL for him or not is something no one can predict, and only take a chance on him, like the Canes did... and like 29 other teams do every year

Maybe i expected more of Ladd. Everyone has thier opinion.

Him being a surprise on the scene last year has me skeptical. No on even knew who Andrew Ladd was when he was 16 and 17. Then All of a sudden at 18 he rips up the WHL. The same for Benoit Pouliot this year. People have him ranked so high. For all we know he could be a 1 year wonder, like I THINK Ladd will be. Many will disagree with me though.
thats the best reponse youve had - its honest. i have no problem with you thinking it was too much too soon, and he hasnt done enough for you personally to think he will be whatever apparantly aa 4th overall should be. i responded to you because you jumped on his back with everyone else for a pretty weak reason. i think you cant judge anyone at 19/20 as people in general, let alone on what kind of hockey players they will be at 25. some of my response were to everyone, not just you. imo, he was a worthy selection at his spot, and only time will tell anyway.

Perry has impressed even though i'm not a fan of his.

Put me on a line with Crosby and Beregon and I'd impress you too.

It's not exactly a piece of cake to do what Ladd did last year. Granted he did have some help with Getzlaf there, one does need a tremendous amount of skill to amount to his totals. If he was capable of doing what he did, then I'm sure he's capable of something worthwhile in his career.. but whether that means NHL for him or not is something no one can predict, and only take a chance on him, like the Canes did... and like 29 other teams do every year

there is an endless list of players who accomplished far more in the juniors and haven't amounted to much in the pros.

Put me on a line with Crosby and Beregon and I'd impress you too.
Depress me maybe.... :)

Put me on a line with Crosby and Beregon and I'd impress you too.

Wow what a surprise Dion again disrespecting a London Knight, even on this subject you make no sense, I guess you did not see the highlights of the training camp , or the past 2 games, Perry has played well, and has earned more ice time, only one guy in the CHL is posting better numbers, and Perry is not a one year wonder, he was among the best the past 2 years. I will admit I did not think Perry would make the team, he is not a great skater and his balance sucks, but there is no arguing his hands and his on ice vision, judging what I have seen the past 2 games Perry can hold his own and should be playing with these 2 guys, although I have no problem with him playing with Crosby and Bergeron on the PP, and moving him to another line to balance the scoring..

What's everyone's thoughts on Ladd's performance today?

I think he just looks out of place, he got an assist on Carter's goal but it wasn't anything impressive, just a short pass. He coughed up the puck a couple times and at one point he iced it for absolutely no reason.. I believe he was trying to dump it in but he was still a step or two on the wrong side of the red line.

His play leads me to believe he may be showing signs of nervousness?

What's everyone's thoughts on Ladd's performance today?

I think he just looks out of place, he got an assist on Carter's goal but it wasn't anything impressive, just a short pass. He coughed up the puck a couple times and at one point he iced it for absolutely no reason.. I believe he was trying to dump it in but he was still a step or two on the wrong side of the red line.

His play leads me to believe he may be showing signs of nervousness?

Well he impressed me on the penalty kill, and I thought he was a lot more aggresive today. But he still isn't impressing me on that scoring line with Carter and Getzlaf. I agree that he just looks out of place there.

Here's to hoping that Colliton can recover and Ladd can be used strictly as someone who can get Penalty killing time, and to jump start physical play if its needed on one of the 4 lines.

Wow what a surprise Dion again disrespecting a London Knight, even on this subject you make no sense, I guess you did not see the highlights of the training camp , or the past 2 games,


I see once again a Knight fan missing the point and getting too worked up about something they don't understand.

No where in my statement did I say anything disrespecting to Corey Perry. I said Crosby and Bergeron are so good, and have such a great chemistry together that pretty much anybody could be added and they'd do well. Put me on a line with Perry and Schremp in London and I'd rack up points too. When you put 2 high end players together, there is a real good chance the 3rd member will benefit greatly.

Here's a less complicated way of putting it;

Take Perry off the Bergeron/Crosby line. Does that line struggle, or does it continue to click? Smart money is the latter.

Put Perry on another line. Does Perry turn that line into the best line on the team, or is it possible that line stays as the 2nd line or worse? Again, smart money is on the latter.

Crosby and Bergeron make that line. Perry does make it better, but by no means does that mean no one else couldn't do the same.

Perry has played well, and has earned more ice time, only one guy in the CHL is posting better numbers, and Perry is not a one year wonder, he was among the best the past 2 years.

BTW, Corey Locke wasn't a one year wonder, and he never made the WJC team.

I will admit I did not think Perry would make the team, he is not a great skater and his balance sucks, but there is no arguing his hands and his on ice vision, judging what I have seen the past 2 games Perry can hold his own and should be playing with these 2 guys, although I have no problem with him playing with Crosby and Bergeron on the PP, and moving him to another line to balance the scoring..

Think maybe that's why he was cut last year (ie bigger ice surface making a weak skater look worse)? Think maybe his slow foot speed may be a problem against a faster team, and might mean he goes back to the 13th forward position.

Please, from now on, don't look at Corey Perry from the London Knights (a team you've supported loyally over the last 2 years), look at him as the guy on Team Canada wearing number 24. In other words, take the rose coloured glasses off when evaluating hockey players.