How is it that

Moore and Labarbera are not considered as good as Parise & Ahonen? On these boards both are rated much lower than Parise and Ahonen, yet when you look at their stats, playing against the same competition, they appear to be better.Moore a center like Parise has 6 goals and 16 helpers for 22 points and a plus 11. Parise on the other hand has just 5 goals, 17 assists for the same 22 points, but is a minus 5! Moore is considered a 3rd line player while Parise is supposed to be a 2nd or 1st liner. In goal, it wasn't even close! Ahonen has a 2.90 GAA and a very good save % of .906, his record isn't great and neither is Albany's for that matter, but he's 3-7-1 giving up 31 goals in just 11 games and is playing behind another goalie! Labarbera, who is 4th or 5th in the NYR's depth charts is 15-4-1! His GAA is 1.48, half of the devils super prospect! Jason has 4 shutouts and Ari has none! Jason's save % is .946%! He's only given up 29 goals in 20 games.

What is even more amazing is that Hartford's defense has been racked by injuries and defections, our top 2 dmen are playing in russia, Pock and Lampman and Liffiton are out, while Taylor is playing tough with a broken facial bone. All the while Albany has been healthy on the d! Go figure!

well parise is also a rookie, while this is moore's second year. moore is also like 4 years older than parise, having finished playing his college career while parise cut his short to jump in to the AHL

moore scored 39 points in his rookie year, parise has 22 now, it seems likely parise will pass moore in rookie scoring stats during the year.

as for goaltending...well i do think ahonen is getting a bit overrated at this point...but playing for a crappy team doesn't help i'm sure, and i guess the argument would be something along the lines of "ahonen has the upside that labarbera doesn't have" and "labarbera plays for a very good defensive team which inflates his stats, while ahonen plays for a crappy team that hangs him out to dry all game"

parise is definatly a better prospect than moore...ahonen and labarbera is probably closer but ahonen likely does have more absolute upside than labarbera...though it's another question entirely whether he'll actually reach it. if he was the future #1 that some people seem to think he is, you'd think he'd do a little better

I can only offer-up that Parise is four years younger than Moore. I think Ahonen's a couple years younger than Labarbera too, but also, Ahonen's name is cooler and thus it sounds more like an NHLer than Jason.

But, there are people out there that see these guys play everyday. Some may put up decent numbers in the AHL, juniors, or whatever league, but do not have the competitive drive or ambition to take it to the next level. 80 points in the AHL does not equate to the same amount of NHL points for two different players, one may be 50 and the other may be 20. The intangibles, such as the ability to work hard and improving your game is what helps you make it. Some have enough skill and talent to score points against the lower competition in the AHL, but peak there, and that same talent just doesn't take it to the NHL. It's an art, not a science, which is what makes it so difficult.

well parise is also a rookie, while this is moore's second year. moore is also like 4 years older than parise, having finished playing his college career while parise cut his short to jump in to the AHL

moore scored 39 points in his rookie year, parise has 22 now, it seems likely parise will pass moore in rookie scoring stats during the year.

as for goaltending...well i do think ahonen is getting a bit overrated at this point...but playing for a crappy team doesn't help i'm sure, and i guess the argument would be something along the lines of "ahonen has the upside that labarbera doesn't have" and "labarbera plays for a very good defensive team which inflates his stats, while ahonen plays for a crappy team that hangs him out to dry all game"

parise is definatly a better prospect than moore...ahonen and labarbera is probably closer but ahonen likely does have more absolute upside than labarbera...though it's another question entirely whether he'll actually reach it. if he was the future #1 that some people seem to think he is, you'd think he'd do a little better


regarding Labarbera playing for a better defensive team, then isn't the same true of Marty? With all of the injuries to the Pack's D it is a testament to McGill's system that you can forcheck and play D as oppose to playing the crap, I mean trap!

Ahonen is overrared. I don't think he or Labarbera will ever make an impact beyond that of a back-up goalie in the NHL.

As for Parise vs. Moore their is no comparison unfortunately. Odds are against Moore to ever make the NHL as a top 6 forward, and he isn't really the type to be a 3rd or 4th liner. You generally want bigger defensive players in that role.

Parise is about as close as you can get to a guaranteed top 6 forward. He may even become a legit first liner in his career. I really think a lot of him, and we will probably see A LOT of him over the next 10-12 years if this league ever starts back up.

NJD prospects are often given more credit because they are the Devils. They have proven their ability to acquire and develop talent unlike us. Hopefully that opinion will be different in 5 years.

If stats meant everything then Jeff Hamilton would be a top liner in the NHL by now.

Despite being small, from the games I've seen him play he turns the puck over an awful lot. Most of the times in all the wrong places.

yeah i haven't been impressed with hamilton's play overall...he'll score some goals but he makes some bad decisions out there too

and doesn't get involved with the play. His only asset is that when the puck's on his stick in the offensive zone, he's not shy to shoot. But it needs to get there somehow and he's not much help.

yup, definatly...and his decisions on shooting are crap sometimes too. shoots when he should pass, etc

i guess it's not horrible, he has scored some clutch goals and all for the pack and doesn't seem to really be hurting them...i guess i'm just not broken up about him not being a rangers prospect, heh. he fills a role for the pack at this point but definatly doesn't look like a future NHLer, so no tears about him not being rangers property

Zach Parise is top 6 NHL forward while Dominic Moore is better suited as a two way third line player and there is nothing wrong with that

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