Even Bob Mckenzie says Canada should have won last year!

In a recent interview with ISS, Bob Mckenzie says Canada should have won last year against the USA.

In a recent interview with ISS, Bob Mckenzie says Canada should have won last year against the USA.

I don't think that's an overly large stretch for Bob.

I'd like to think that most Canadians feel we should've won last year.

i think its obvious who dropped the ball (err...the puck) last year that cost Canada gold. i feel bad for the guy because of the great deal of pressure he'd been dealing with at the time. but canada lost because him for the most part.

As much as people want to deny it, last year was perhaps the biggest choke in hockey history since Steve Smith in 1986. I have no doubt about that, we should have won for sure.

Something tells me Team Canada's juniors have been cursed, like the Rangers from 1940-1994 and the Bo-Sox from 1918-2004.

In a recent interview with ISS, Bob Mckenzie says Canada should have won last year against the USA.


But they didn't................ Like Alexander Daigle said, no one (except Canadians apparently) remembers who comes in second (or want to disect the particulars of a loss in the gold medal game at the WJC's and rationalize it one year later).

As much as people want to deny it, last year was perhaps the biggest choke in hockey history since Steve Smith in 1986. I have no doubt about that, we should have won for sure.

Something tells me Team Canada's juniors have been cursed, like the Rangers from 1940-1994 and the Bo-Sox from 1918-2004.

Do you even know how to spell Sweden? :D

Do you even know how to spell Sweden? :D

Bah, ok, Canadian hockey history. :)

Bah, ok, Canadian hockey history. :)

Fair enough but personally I think the puck had eyes. Fleury and Seabrook(?) couldn't duplicate that if they tried more than once in a hundred attempts.

Fair enough but personally I think the puck had eyes. Fleury and Seabrook(?) couldn't duplicate that if they tried more than once in a hundred attempts.


Coburn.

I feel that Russia should have won its third in a row last year. I believe all of Canada feels the same about Canada.

I feel that Russia should have won its third in a row last year. I believe all of Canada feels the same about Canada.

Russia sucked last year big time. The team had no chemistry, all the pucks were going to Ovechkin, argues within a team... But still, the team so ********* up and with no chemistry almost got to the semis. How? On pure talent. And then they crushed Slovaks in a game for the 5th position.

Whenever a team is ahead by two goals entering the third period, they should always win, but stuff happens and people choke.

Whenever a team is ahead by two goals entering the third period, they should always win, but stuff happens and people choke.
Canada is the buffalo bills of junior hockey

Canada is the buffalo bills of junior hockey

Disagreed.

Whenever a team is ahead by two goals entering the third period, they should always win, but stuff happens and people choke.

I think it was one goal. And then they allowed two in the third period. I don't think Russians and Americans scored 3 goals in the third period. Being one goal ahead entering the third period is not such enormous advantage. But I agree.

Canada is the buffalo bills of junior hockey

I must have missed the Bills winning ten Super Bowls.

I think it was one goal. And then they allowed two in the third period. I don't think Russians and Americans scored 3 goals in the third period. Being one goal ahead entering the third period is not such enormous advantage. But I agree.

No, the score was 3-1 after two....

Gosh, how much longer is this loss going to be rationalized? It's already NEXT YEAR. Get over it, already. Canada didn't beat themselves. Give some credit where it's due. Jeez.

And then they crushed Slovaks in a game for the 5th position.

Russia won 3-2 ... I don't think the word "crush" best describes a 3-2 score

Gosh, how much longer is this loss going to be rationalized? It's already NEXT YEAR. Get over it, already. Canada didn't beat themselves. Give some credit where it's due. Jeez.

Team Canada choked big time and that's a fact. You can give all the credit in the world to the Americans, but that gold medal was Canada's until Team Canada choked (it's not only Fleury's fault, all the team stop to play in the 3rd, EVERYBODY on the team). USA boys can have all the credit they want, they won, but in all of our Canadian's heart we know who should have won.

Team Canada choked big time and that's a fact. You can give all the credit in the world to the Americans, but that gold medal was Canada's until Team Canada choked (it's not only Fleury's fault, all the team stop to play in the 3rd, EVERYBODY on the team). USA boys can have all the credit they want, they won, but in all of our Canadian's heart we know who should have won.


should have, could have, would have.

i suppose you're willing to admit the bruins choked in the playoffs, and that the canadiens deserved no credit for the series win?

i didn't think so.

The Bruins choked from game 2, they were just lucky to win 3 games in this best of 7, they played like crap while Montreal played good hockey. Back on topic: I didn't said that USA didn't diserve to win, they played a great tourney, I'm just saying that Team Canada add this game won before they litteraly stop to give an effort.

The Bruins choked from game 2, they were just lucky to win 3 games in this best of 7, they played like crap while Montreal played good hockey. Back on topic: I didn't said that USA didn't diserve to win, they played a great tourney, I'm just saying that Team Canada add this game won before they litteraly stop to give an effort.


How do you know that the Americans brought their best through the first two periods? I didn't see the same performance in the first half of that game that I saw in earlier games in the series. The loss can't be solely blamed on Fleury because the Americans were getting TONS of chances in the third. The speed of the Americans finally wore out the bigger Canadian defense...and that's why the team was assembled the way it was, this year. Slippery, lightning fast offense and vision-oriented passing defense. A good comparison was last year's cup...the Flames were a big, tough, grinding team with some offensive flair...and the Lightning were smaller, wilier and quicker. The Flames rode the Bolts out to start..but after a while they petered out. That's what happened last year at the WJCs...and could very well happen again.

Canada has not won a gold since 1997. :teach:

Russia won 3-2 ... I don't think the word "crush" best describes a 3-2 score

So they "crushed" the 6th place team 3-2 eh?

No wonder Wilka's disappointed they didn't win gold!

but that gold medal was Canada's until Team Canada choked
Actually, they don't award medals until after the game is finished.

Canada choked, but the Americans won. A lesser team wouldn't have come back like they did. The Americans were very, very talented. In fact, they were the favorites heading into the tournament according to many, though losing Howard to injury caused some to wonder since Montoya was quite young.

I don't think this type of insular debate helps. Canada should be focusing on how to beat the Russians and Americans this time around, not what they would've done differently against a team that isn't coming back to the tournament in the same form. I'm sure the Americans are focusing on how they will beat the Canadians and Russians this time around, and that the Russians are doing the same.

Actually, they don't award medals until after the game is finished.

Canada choked, but the Americans won. A lesser team wouldn't have come back like they did. The Americans were very, very talented. In fact, they were the favorites heading into the tournament according to many, though losing Howard to injury caused some to wonder since Montoya was quite young.

I don't think this type of insular debate helps. Canada should be focusing on how to beat the Russians and Americans this time around, not what they would've done differently against a team that isn't coming back to the tournament in the same form. I'm sure the Americans are focusing on how they will beat the Canadians and Russians this time around, and that the Russians are doing the same.


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Actually, they don't award medals until after the game is finished.

Canada choked, but the Americans won. A lesser team wouldn't have come back like they did. The Americans were very, very talented. In fact, they were the favorites heading into the tournament according to many, though losing Howard to injury caused some to wonder since Montoya was quite young.

I don't think this type of insular debate helps. Canada should be focusing on how to beat the Russians and Americans this time around, not what they would've done differently against a team that isn't coming back to the tournament in the same form. I'm sure the Americans are focusing on how they will beat the Canadians and Russians this time around, and that the Russians are doing the same.

LOL, if we concentrate real hard on these boards our team will do better?

Bottom line: The game is 3 periods. The winner is decided after ALL 3 periods... not after two. They didn't finish off the US... that's there fault. It's not some incredible miracle.

The US took it to them in the 3rd, and came out on top. Like it or not thats the way it is. That is how the game is played. The way that last goal went in sucked for Canada, but it could just have easily been scored a different way as the US just peppered Fleury. Stop complaining already and just root them on this year.

Canada has not won a gold since 1997. :teach:

That came out of absolutly nowhere.














BTW, I like fried chicken.

Bottom line: The game is 3 periods. The winner is decided after ALL 3 periods... not after two. They didn't finish off the US... that's there fault. It's not some incredible miracle.

The US took it to them in the 3rd, and came out on top. Like it or not thats the way it is. That is how the game is played. The way that last goal went in sucked for Canada, but it could just have easily been scored a different way as the US just peppered Fleury.
I do recall at least one eye-popping save by Fleury in that period.

In a recent interview with ISS, Bob Mckenzie says Canada should have won last year against the USA.


He said that because they were up 3-1 in the 3rd period. I distinctly remember him saying last year that most people had considered the USA the favorites to win last year and the reason it was so crushing for Canada to lose was because they were up 3-1 in the 3rd period. Any team should win any game with a 2 goal lead in the 3rd period. If you ask the experts from last year, the final result, USA getting Gold and Canada getting Silver was the way it was supposed to go, regardless of any events during the actual game.

Of course Canada should have won, they were clearly superior on paper on all areas. They didn't win because they didn't play up to their potential while team USA did that. Does that make team USA not deserving? Hell no, a better team on ice wins the games, not the better team on paper.

Canada should have won based on their huge talent superiority but fortunately games are still decided on the ice.

Canada has not won a gold since 1997. :teach:
How long have you been sitting on that gold mine of information Professor? :lol

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So, bottom line: last year, USA won gold by scoring more goals than Canada in the final. Also, last year was, you know, 12 months ago. Let's get on with our lives.

I feel that Russia should have won its third in a row last year. I believe all of Canada feels the same about Canada.

Russia lost to a team (Finland), because Russia wasn't a team (at all), while Finland was a great team (on the ice, not paper).

Personally, I don't understand the concept of 'should have won.' ... perhaps you could explain it to me...

Because every time I have watched a game, the eventual winner won because a series of occurences took place that alowed them to win the game. That could be poor goaltending on the opposing side, poor coaching, or an overwhelming spirit in the winning team... it doesn't matter.

To say a team 'should have won' is to deny the realism of linear time, and negate any results before and after the game.

The Canadian team 'should have' lost, because they did lose. The American team 'should have won' because they did win. To deny that would also be denying every hockey victory you hold close to yourself.

i think its obvious who dropped the ball (err...the puck) last year that cost Canada gold. i feel bad for the guy because of the great deal of pressure he'd been dealing with at the time. but canada lost because him for the most part.
Exactly,Brent Burns but I don't feel bad for him.He didn't just make one little
mistake, he sucked the whole game.

eh. you should all know as hockey fans that your team never gets beat by the other team. Your team beat themselves and gives the win to the other team.

How long have you been sitting on that gold mine of information Professor? :lol

Probably for about as long as HabLover has been stewing over Canada's LOSS in last year's gold medal game.

Canada is the buffalo bills of junior hockey
We've won tons of gold medals so that statement is about as innapropriate as can be.

We've won tons of gold medals so that statement is about as innapropriate as can be.


any mental sports fan who has knowledge of both the NFL and World Juniors would realize he means in the past couple years. :speechles

any mental sports fan who has knowledge of both the NFL and World Juniors would realize he means in the past couple years. :speechles

I realise that's what he means but he's still wrong isn't he? to have that statement be true would mean we would have had to have fallen flat on our face in all world juniors with no sucess but that's far from being the truth isn't it? You can try to twist this any way you want and knowing your history of Canada hating we know you will try but the fact remains we have the type of sucess you can only wish for your hockey team....that's what you don't like. Hopefully you can "mentally" deal with that but it seems from every post you make that it's not possible for you.Now,go hump someone else's leg or get a grip around here.

In the history of Junior hockey Canada has won 20 medals, Russia has won 22...USA has won 4. The Buffalo Bills of WJC hockey? No way.

History tends to repeat itself (not just recent history) and USA's roster looks pretty weak. I'll willing to bet they don't even make the finals.

Probably for about as long as HabLover has been stewing over Canada's LOSS in the last year's gold medal game.


so true. i notice he was eagerly waiting to poo-poo the USA's win over UND yesterday. Hopefully Team USA's players won't be bothered by it. Maybe they can console themselves by polishing their GOLD MEDALS :)

so true. i notice he was eagerly waiting to poo-poo the USA's win over UND yesterday. Hopefully Team USA's players won't be bothered by it. Maybe they can console themselves by polishing their GOLD MEDALS :)

What with them being so tarnished and all! :)

The thing that bothers me as a Canadian fan is that we have a hard time accepting that we lost last year. If the Americans were leading after two periods, and we came back to win, it would be considered a comeback of the ages. The Americans made their own good luck, and made our own bad luck. I tip my hat to your win last year, and hope we kick your butts hard this year. I can't wait for the tourney to start. Go Canada. ;)

Gosh, how much longer is this loss going to be rationalized? It's already NEXT YEAR. Get over it, already. Canada didn't beat themselves. Give some credit where it's due. Jeez.

I'm not gonna say that the US didn't deserve it, or anything like that, but we did score on ourselves.

The thing that bothers me as a Canadian fan is that we have a hard time accepting that we lost last year. ;)

Lost last year? What are you talking about?
:amazed:

so true. i notice he was eagerly waiting to poo-poo the USA's win over UND yesterday. Hopefully Team USA's players won't be bothered by it. Maybe they can console themselves by polishing their GOLD MEDALS :)


Yeah, I love how people that didn't even watch the freaking game were chiming in. What a joke.

In the history of Junior hockey Canada has won 20 medals, Russia has won 22...USA has won 4. The Buffalo Bills of WJC hockey? No way.

History tends to repeat itself (not just recent history) and USA's roster looks pretty weak. I'll willing to bet they don't even make the finals.


Who looks weak on the U.S. roster? I'd like to get your expert opinion on the subject. Would you have rather had Matt Lashoff over Casey Borer? Mike Brennan over Brian Lee? Robbie Earl over Chris Bourque? Maybe a guy like Joe Fallon in net?

In a recent interview with ISS, Bob Mckenzie says Canada should have won last year against the USA.

That's a no brainer, because they should have won.

That was last year and the game is in the books, so let's enjoy this year's edition of the WJC instead of bemoaning "what if's" and "what could have been's". That is why they play the game!! ;)

Gosh, how much longer is this loss going to be rationalized? It's already NEXT YEAR. Get over it, already. Canada didn't beat themselves. Give some credit where it's due. Jeez.

I fully agree we choked and I was cheering for the US to score to make the game interesting well they scored one and then twice and then thrice and we were screwed. I shoulda been careful what I wished for :dunno: . We are gunna get vengence on their ice this year.

Canada choked and US played with passion, thus leading to a US victory. Simple as that.

Let's just enjoy this year's WJrs.

This entire argument is preposterous. We all know that Wayne Gretzky was exclusively to blame for Team Canada's loss last year.

He's the one that told Patrick O'Sullivan "good luck in the World Junior Championships", when he spoke with him at the draft in 2003. So, yeah....I'm still gonna blame Wayne, you guys can continue on with the debate all you like...I know who the REAL culprit is. ;)

In a recent interview with ISS, Bob Mckenzie says Canada should have won last year against the USA.

Bob can say all he wants! Should have! Who cares, they didn't win and the USA did! Sorry Bob should have's doesn't mean squat! The only thing that does is a W and Canada did not get that!

This entire argument is preposterous. We all know that Wayne Gretzky was exclusively to blame for Team Canada's loss last year.

He's the one that told Patrick O'Sullivan "good luck in the World Junior Championships", when he spoke with him at the draft in 2003. So, yeah....I'm still gonna blame Wayne, you guys can continue on with the debate all you like...I know who the REAL culprit is. ;)

You can't blame Wayne completely. He just said "good luck". He didn't say "extraordinary good luck". He's only partially to blame. :D

Canada has not won a gold since 1997. :teach:

That's fantastic. Now, how many golds have the States won before '04? :dunno: