UND vs Team USA Game Thread

Since the game will start in around 45 minutes, I feel it should have a thread. I think you can listen to it at the UND website.

http://www.fightingsioux.com/info/broadcast/

Don't quote me on that one though. I am waiting to see.

http://www.fightingsioux.com/sports/mhockey/release.asp?RELEASE_ID=3469

EXHIBITION GAME – Sunday, Dec. 19, 2004
North Dakota vs. USA World Junior Team
2:05 p.m. CST/Ralph Engelstad Arena – Grand Forks, N.D.
Radio: 96.1 FM in Grand Forks & Clear Channel network stations
TV: Midcontinent Cable in Grand Forks & Fighting Sioux Sports Network

Thats odd thet aren't on the air yet....they usually have a pregame show.

Damn...what's the deal??? Is the link working for anyone else?

Damn...what's the deal??? Is the link working for anyone else?
Nope, the site even said they could carry the game. I'm gonna flip.

THIS SUCKS!!!!!! I've been looking forward to it all day.

Is there at least a game sheet or a live scoring update anywhere?? I can't find anything anywhere..... :dunno:

not working for me either :(

Boys....pile in here for updates.

http://siouxsports.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3502

Boys....pile in here for updates.

http://siouxsports.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3502


What webcast is being referred to? How can that be accessed?

What webcast is being referred to? How can that be accessed?
With money....its 9 dollars american....I allready looked into it :)

1 - 0 USA

Sutter from O'Sullivan and Stafford

SUTER SCORES! from o'sullivan

1-0, USA

With money....its 9 dollars american....I allready looked into it :)


What's the link?

http://theralph.dataflix.com/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=468

if someone gets this, tell me what the quality is like. if it's good, i'll cough up the 8.95 to watch this game.

if someone gets this, tell me what the quality is like. if it's good, i'll cough up the 8.95 to watch this game.


I just bought it. Quality looks good. They just had Scott Sandelin doing a cheesy Subway commercial. :lol

Suter and O'Sullivan. Heh.

They're going to star in the NHL, some day....

2 - 0 USA

Hensick

Sioux on the PP

Hensick with the goal. 2-0 U.S. Montoya looking good.

USA killed off two PP in a row.....they go to thw PK once again though....lol

3 - 0 USA
O'Sullivan off a turnover from Murray

Montoya with the SO, Schneider is in nets now

I know it's just an exhibition, but I think the game today with ND exemplifies how the U.S. will play in the tournament. I think the U.S. defense will get bogged down in it's zone from time-to-time, will finish it's fair share of offensive chances, and get good goaltending and special teams.

Pretty good game. ND has nothing to be ashamed of, but couldn't finish their chances. U.S. looked good, although the PP looked sloppy. I'm sure that will be worked on. Montoya clearly looked much more comfortable in goal than Schneider, especially when playing the puck. The two youngest players on the U.S. team (Lee and Kessel) fit in very well. Kessel looks bigger than advertised and showed outstanding speed. He drove wide on the ND defense several times, Lee, while not exactly a thumper is very strong and played the body well.

To anyone that saw this game. How did Matt Greene look? I am curious to see how he stacks up against the best offense the USA can put together.

I know the final was 3-0 but I expected the US team to win here, so no real surprise. So any report on Greene would be great :)

thx

To anyone that saw this game. How did Matt Greene look? I am curious to see how he stacks up against the best offense the USA can put together.

I know the final was 3-0 but I expected the US team to win here, so no real surprise. So any report on Greene would be great :)

thx


Matt Greene and Matt Jones both played very well. You can tell they're both more physically mature than most of the U.S. players and they played like it. Andy Schneider also played well. The rest of the ND defense was getting victimized IMO. Several of the U.S. players were able to drive wide and create some quality scoring chances.

How did Shawn Weller play?

How did Shawn Weller play?


He was used mainly on the 4th line with Mike Brown and Jake Dowell/Phil Kessel. I didn't notice him a ton, but when I did, it was when he was banging along the boards, and with his size and strength, he was pretty successful at that.

How was Schremp?

The players that stood out the most to me in this game for the U.S. were Fritsche, Suter, Lee, O'Sullivan, and Stafford. Fritsche and Stafford used their considerable size and strength to create havoc in the offensive zone, and O'Sullivan was dangerous with the puck all game long. Suter was a rock on defense, and Brian Lee was surprisingly good. He didn't get beat one-on-one once, and made some passes.

How did Zajac look? I asked it on the other board but they are Sioux fans, an unbiased opinion would paint a better picture.

How was Schremp?


The play-by-play guys liked him quite-a-bit, although IMO, they don't really have an accurate understanding of his style of play. One time they said he reminded them of Claude Lemieux! Schremp played on a couple differant lines, and while he didn't generate a ton of chances, was used on all situations and did well. He did unleash his shot a few times and just missed. He still has nice chemistry with O'Sullivan, and that showed on the PP.

How did Zajac look? I asked it on the other board but they are Sioux fans, an unbiased opinion would paint a better picture.

To be honest, I didn't notice him a ton. ND, while cycling the puck well and having a ton of PP chances, didn't really generate alot of quality scoring chances. Zajac had a few shots, but they went wide, and his name wasn't mentioned a whole lot. The ND players that stood out to me were Greene and Jones.

I'm curious, RR, who was taking the bulk of the penalties for the US? Or were they spread around?

I don't know how RR feels...but I feel MUCH better about Brian Lee in particular.

I'm curious, RR, who was taking the bulk of the penalties for the US? Or were they spread around?


It wasn't one guy in particular. Shoot, one of the penalities was on Likens because he was playing without his helmet. I thought most of the calls (on both sides) were of the ticky tack type.

I don't know how RR feels...but I feel MUCH better about Brian Lee in particular.


Lee played very well. He didn't look out of place at all. He actually reminds of a bigger version of Suter. Not flashy, but ALWAYS in control.

How did Ryan Callahan look?

How did Ryan Callahan look?


Excellent. He's playing on the top line with Stafford and O'Sullivan. What I like about him is not only is he skilled, but he takes a beating to make a play. He reminds alot of Mark Parrish. The U.S. actually has quite a few players like Callahan: top notch scorers, but very gritty and willing to go into the trenches.

Here is recap off of USAhockey.com
http://www.usahockey.com/usa_hockey/international/main/home/05wjc_usaund_121904/

It also mentions in there that Suter was named captain, and O'Sullivan and Fritsche are the alternates, not sure if that has been mentioned anywhere else or not.

The players that stood out the most to me in this game for the U.S. were Fritsche, Suter, Lee, O'Sullivan, and Stafford. Fritsche and Stafford used their considerable size and strength to create havoc in the offensive zone, and O'Sullivan was dangerous with the puck all game long. Suter was a rock on defense, and Brian Lee was surprisingly good. He didn't get beat one-on-one once, and made some passes.

I know we all want Brian Lee to do well and prove that he deserved a spot on this team and I didn't see the game but its sounds like a bit of a reach for you to stay he "stood out" because he didn't get beat one-on-one and he made some passes. It almost sounds like the old Chris Rock take, "I didn't go to jail.....well you aren't supossed to go to jail, I didn't beat my kids.....well you aren't supossed to beat your kids." He didn't get beat one-on-one? He isn't supossed to get beat one-on-one! He made some passes?? For the US's sake I hope the kid can make some passes. Maybe I'm being a overly critical but sounds like Lee "fit in" not "stood out." Like I said though, I didn't see the game and I could be totally out of line.

I know we all want Brian Lee to do well and prove that he deserved a spot on this team and I didn't see the game but its sounds like a bit of a reach for you to stay he "stood out" because he didn't get beat one-on-one and he made some passes. It almost sounds like the old Chris Rock take, "I didn't go to jail.....well you aren't supossed to go to jail, I didn't beat my kids.....well you aren't supossed to beat your kids." He didn't get beat one-on-one? He isn't supossed to get beat one-on-one! He made some passes?? For the US's sake I hope the kid can make some passes. Maybe I'm being a overly critical but sounds like Lee "fit in" not "stood out." Like I said though, I didn't see the game and I could be totally out of line.


I think rather than saying that he 'stood out,' it's better to say he DIDN'T stand out..which..often...for a defenseman...is a good thing. I was pleasantly surprised, having seen the game.

get ready for your spanking usa :teach:

I know it's just an exhibition, but I think the game today with ND exemplifies how the U.S. will play in the tournament. I think the U.S. defense will get bogged down in it's zone from time-to-time, will finish it's fair share of offensive chances, and get good goaltending and special teams.

UND was missing a bunch of players and playing their 3rd game in three nights. I hope the US won easily.

UND was missing a bunch of players and playing their 3rd game in three nights. I hope the US won easily.
They hardly did.....UND got poor goaltending while USA's goaltending were excellent. UND probably had the advantage in scoring chances, they did have 1 more shot in goal. UND also had a bunch out injured.

Mike Brown - I notice he played on the fourth line. Did he have a good game? Is he likely to be benched alternatingly, or is he a mainstay on the fourth line?

Cory Schneider - He played a little bit, I'm told.. how did he play? He didn't allow any goals, so it can't be bad.

Wow, O'Sullivan got man handled on the faceoffs last night. He was 7 for 21 on the draws. I figure Zajac was out vs him the majority of the time....he went 14 of 19 at the dot. Zajac was also on the ice for both O'Sullivan's line's goals.

What number is Brian Lee? and Nate Hagemo. Thanks.

What number is Brian Lee? and Nate Hagemo. Thanks.
Lee was number 2 and Hagemo was 18.

box score
http://www.fightingsioux.com/sports/mhockey/boxscore.asp?GAME_ID=1376

I know we all want Brian Lee to do well and prove that he deserved a spot on this team and I didn't see the game but its sounds like a bit of a reach for you to stay he "stood out" because he didn't get beat one-on-one and he made some passes. It almost sounds like the old Chris Rock take, "I didn't go to jail.....well you aren't supossed to go to jail, I didn't beat my kids.....well you aren't supossed to beat your kids." He didn't get beat one-on-one? He isn't supossed to get beat one-on-one! He made some passes?? For the US's sake I hope the kid can make some passes. Maybe I'm being a overly critical but sounds like Lee "fit in" not "stood out." Like I said though, I didn't see the game and I could be totally out of line.


You don't think it's noteworthy that Lee didn't get beat once one-on-one and displayed excellent passing skills? Considering the jump up in the level of competition for him I think it is.

Mike Brown - I notice he played on the fourth line. Did he have a good game? Is he likely to be benched alternatingly, or is he a mainstay on the fourth line?

Cory Schneider - He played a little bit, I'm told.. how did he play? He didn't allow any goals, so it can't be bad.


Brown will be a mainstay on the fourth line. He'll be used to create energy and probably play against the other team's top line. Schneider played fine, but he's not as polished as Montoya, especially when playing the puck.

get ready for your spanking usa :teach:


Since you're such an authority on the subject............

UND was missing a bunch of players and playing their 3rd game in three nights. I hope the US won easily.


I don't see it that way. ND was missing some players, and I recognize the fatigue factor, but the U.S. squad was playing their first "game" together, so there was bound to be a bit of rustiness. We'll see how things go against Germany.

They hardly did.....UND got poor goaltending while USA's goaltending were excellent. UND probably had the advantage in scoring chances, they did have 1 more shot in goal. UND also had a bunch out injured.


Actually, while ND had the advantage in shots (due to a ton of power plays), the U.S. had more scoring chances. I thought the U.S. penalty killers did a nice job keeping much of the ND shots coming from the perimeter, rather than in the prime scoring areas.

Actually, while ND had the advantage in shots (due to a ton of power plays), the U.S. had more scoring chances. I thought the U.S. penalty killers did a nice job keeping much of the ND shots coming from the perimeter, rather than in the prime scoring areas.
I'm going by the Sioux site...they are sioux fans though and may be a little biased. You can't deny goaltending was an issue.

I'm going by the Sioux site...they are sioux fans though and may be a little biased. You can't deny goaltending was an issue.


Well, I watched the game, and I can tell you with a great deal of certainty that the U.S. had more scoring chances. That doesn't mean ND didn't have any, because they did, and Montoya in particular looked very sharp. One thing ND did that I was impressed by was their ability to cycle the puck. That could be an issue with the U.S. team against bigger opponents.

Sounds like that Hensick kid you like had a good game.Was he one of the better players?

Is Zajac usually that good on face-offs? [don't know much about him]. Cuz, that's highly unusual for O'Sullivan - so I have to think he may have been having some concentration issues last night. Or is Zajac really that good with them?

Is Zajac usually that good on face-offs? [don't know much about him]. Cuz, that's highly unusual for O'Sullivan - so I have to think he may have been having some concentration issues last night. Or is Zajac really that good with them?
Zajac is around 58% in the NCAA which is a really high percent.

Sounds like that Hensick kid you like had a good game.Was he one of the better players?


Hensick scored a goal, but other than late didn't do alot. He's there to put up points, and I think he'll do that.

Is Zajac usually that good on face-offs? [don't know much about him]. Cuz, that's highly unusual for O'Sullivan - so I have to think he may have been having some concentration issues last night. Or is Zajac really that good with them?


The U.S. team as a whole (IMO) didn't show alot of intensity last night, especially on defense. I've seen guys like Hagemo and Goligoski play several times, and they play with a lot more spirit then they showed against ND. I don't know if that was because it was an exhibition game or what, but I expect that to change when the games are "for real."

Does he leave a little bit to be desired defensively? (Hensick)

Does he leave a little bit to be desired defensively? (Hensick)


He's not a defensive stalwart by any means. He was benched this season for that very reason. He seems to have turned the corner a bit in that regard though, and wasn't cherry-picking it last night.

That's good,he'll have to play at least decent two way hockey in North Dakota or i assume Sandelin will limit his ice time at some point.Like you said,he's there to put points on the board not win the selke trophy but i'm sure Sandelin will demand "get back" effort from him or his offensive contributions could be nullified by goals the other way at bad times.

That's good,he'll have to play at least decent two way hockey in North Dakota or i assume Sandelin will limit his ice time at some point.Like you said,he's there to put points on the board not win the selke trophy but i'm sure Sandelin will demand "get back" effort from him or his offensive contributions could be nullified by goals the other way at bad times.

Sandelin is a pretty demanding coach (from what I understand). I doubt he'll accept less than 100% effort (in all zones).

You don't think it's noteworthy that Lee didn't get beat once one-on-one and displayed excellent passing skills? Considering the jump up in the level of competition for him I think it is.

Don't get me wrong, its good to hear that Lee was sound and it is noteworthy. However, you said he "stood out." I understand he is making a big jump but this is the World Juniors, the defensemen in this tournament are not supossed to get beat one-on-one. Don't get me wrong, I hope this kid has a great tournament, but saying he "stood out" because he did things that he is supossed to do seemed like an overstatment to me.

Don't get me wrong, its good to hear that Lee was sound and it is noteworthy. However, you said he "stood out." I understand he is making a big jump but this is the World Juniors, the defensemen in this tournament are not supossed to get beat one-on-one. Don't get me wrong, I hope this kid has a great tournament, but saying he "stood out" because he did things that he is supossed to do seemed like an overstatment to me.


We're arguing over semantics here. I think Lee stood-out because he didn't make any mistakes. For a player like Lee (given his age, experience, and level of competition) that's impressive to me. Trust me, I hope he does what he's "supposed to do" all tournament long.