Final Russian roster

according to RussianProspects.com

Defence:

Belov Anton
Ezhov Denis
Megalinsky Dmitri
Panin Grigory
Rylov Yakov
Vorobiev Dmitri
Yemelin Alexei

Forwards:

Galimov Alexander
Khasanshin Ruslan
Lisin Enver
Malkin Evgeni
Nikulin Alexander
Ovechkin Alexander
Parshin Denis
Pestunov Dmitri
Radulov Alexander
Shafigullin Grigori
Shirokov Sergei
Voloshenko Roman
Yunkov Mikhail

Goalies:

Khudobin, Anton
Kuznetsov Andrey

So; no Misharin on defence, Khasanshin instead of Salnikov.

Yemelin makes the team :yo:

no Misharin on defence
This says he is.

http://www.russianprospects.com/public/news_content.php?id=1910&anchor=Main&PHPSESSID=a601fd7f586a1b1d099a0b136774d26e

Hehehehe, no Kostsitsyn :)

I liked the roster better the first time it was posted.

This says he is.

http://www.russianprospects.com/public/news_content.php?id=1910&anchor=Main&PHPSESSID=a601fd7f586a1b1d099a0b136774d26e
It's really interesting article, but 3G,8D and 13F is 24 players. So there is need in 2 cuts. And I get roster from RIAN (Russian Information Agency News) cause I know that it came from Gersonsky's mouth.

Hehehehe, no Kostsitsyn :)

Kostitsyn is from Belarus, not Russia.

Kostitsyn is from Belarus, not Russia.

Haha, serves him. Hey where's Kostapoulas? Oh wait there's no Greek hockey team! :lol

Hehehehe, no Kostsitsyn :)Hamilton released him to play for Belarus, his home country.

As for this team, yikes. I'd put my money on them beating Canada in the Final this year as Canada made a few surprise picks for their roster that I did not really agree with.

I'm extremely anxious to see this Nikulin-Malkin-Parshin line. What a ton of skill there.

Hamilton released him to play for Belarus, his home country.

As for this team, yikes. I'd put my money on them beating Canada in the Final this year as Canada made a few surprise picks for their roster that I did not really agree with.

France made weird picks for the Mundial in 1998 too...... and they surprisingly won! ;-)

France made weird picks for the Mundial in 1998 too...... and they surprisingly won! ;-)

Please, tell me who was a weird pick in 98 for France?? And they didn't win surprisingly! :shakehead

Hamilton released him to play for Belarus, his home country.

As for this team, yikes. I'd put my money on them beating Canada in the Final this year as Canada made a few surprise picks for their roster that I did not really agree with.

I find comments like this weird. Canada finished a VERY strong second last year and have 13 players back. KEY players at that- and the highest numer of any WJC team in memory.
The controversial picks (and yes, in fact EVERY team at the WJCs has controversial picks) are 4th line forwards. I mean, would Bolland over Ladd or Bernier oer Fraser really make the big difference when you have 3 returning fw lines and your top 4 df back? Look at the Russia roster by comparison. How many sure NHL guys on DF? Not even one. How many fws equal to Canada's best 20? Maybe 6.

This Russian roster doesn't impress me much at all after Ovechkin and Malkin. Compared to Kovalchuk's '83 -date Russian team these guys are pretty weak.

Of course, in one ame anything could happen. But a WOW for the Russianroster and a fear that the Canadian roster is too weak for them is..well... mind-bogggling to me.

This Russian roster doesn't impress me much at all after Ovechkin and Malkin. Compared to Kovalchuk's '83 -date Russian team these guys are pretty weak.

By this I assume you mean the 2003 WJC championship squad (which Kovalchuk didn't play on, but was eligible for)? Because the one year Kovalchuk played Russia stunk, and the next year they won gold but were less than impressive. But that 2003 team (Grigorenko, Trubachev, Koltsov, Ovechkin, Medvedev,Taratuhkin, etc.) might be one of the best WJC teams assembled in a long time.

Look at the Russia roster by comparison. How many sure NHL guys on DF? Not even one. How many fws equal to Canada's best 20? Maybe 6.

This Russian roster doesn't impress me much at all after Ovechkin and Malkin. Compared to Kovalchuk's '83 -date Russian team these guys are pretty weak.

How can you compare If, I assume, you have seen only Ovechkin from this roster. I haven't seen anyone from team Canada and I don't compare but what's your point based on? Stats, HF hype, "Times you've heard about this guy of HF" or something else? Where do find this numbers? 6, 20?
How many players you've seen to make this compare? I don't mean single clips - I mean full games.
And what does it mean "How many sure NHL guys on DF?" Better player were selected, not better prospects. Look at Lyamin other guys are better this year but , in case of his select, with all this hype around him, you or someone else would say that we have one guy at D with good future on NHL. His teammate Belov is better. The same story is about Glazachev. Young Galimov is better that Glazachev. He is one the reasons Glazachev was loaned. Glazachev has hype around him, but Galimov hasn't and does it mean that Galimov bad player?

Well our roster don't impress me much too after Ovehckin and Malkin but I understand that we can not select whole team where every player has the same level as Ovehckin and Malkin. It's normal.

FYI, U-20 team with Kovalchuk had sucked a lot at WJC 2001 and even wasn't in Top-4. U-20 WJC 2003 team was one of the better WJC teams I've ever seen. This team is a bit weaker but a lot better than WJC 2004 team.

How many fws equal to Canada's best 20? Maybe 6.

:lol: Vice versa! No, you're not a homer and you're not biased!

I wanna :lol and :cry: at the same time, but I think I'll just keep :lol :lol !

How can you compare If, I assume, you have seen only Ovechkin from this roster. I haven't seen anyone from team Canada and I don't compare but what's your point based on? Stats, HF hype, "Times you've heard about this guy of HF" or something else? Where do find this numbers? 6, 20?
How many players you've seen to make this compare? I don't mean single clips - I mean full games.
And what does it mean "How many sure NHL guys on DF?" Better player were selected, not better prospects. Look at Lyamin other guys are better this year but , in case of his select, with all this hype around him, you or someone else would say that we have one guy at D with good future on NHL. His teammate Belov is better. The same story is about Glazachev. Young Galimov is better that Glazachev. He is one the reasons Glazachev was loaned. Glazachev has hype around him, but Galimov hasn't and does it mean that Galimov bad player?

Well our roster don't impress me much too after Ovehckin and Malkin but I understand that we can not select whole team where every player has the same level as Ovehckin and Malkin. It's normal.

FYI, U-20 team with Kovalchuk had sucked a lot at WJC 2001 and even wasn't in Top-4. U-20 WJC 2003 team was one of the better WJC teams I've ever seen. This team is a bit weaker but a lot better than WJC 2004 team.

Actually, I've seen 18 of these guys live- from four to ten times each. I'm heavily involved ininternational hockey and I've been to Russia 4 times.
Now, the players on the roster are decent players but ....look at the DF. No one drafted in the 1st round, 1 late in the second. They are OK players- Emelin, Vorobiev, Belov, Megalinsky- but they were only 'good', not great, at the u-18s earlier this year in Slovakia. And in the 4or5 nations tournaments I've seen them in since- there is nobody in goal or on DF who is, or who copuld really be, considered a blue-chipper at all. Forwards too- after the big two, well, Yunkov, Radulov, and Voloshenko have proved their worth somewhat but are still only 18. Parshin is flashy but only 18.

Compared to the '83 squad (yes, I mean that immortal '83 team, not the WJC entry in 2003) this squad is, on paper, oneof the least worrisome Russian teams I've ever seen. You seem to confirm this at the end of your post-and NHL scouts confirm it too.

Still, I'm not saying they can't win. Upsets do happen- but this is hardly in anysense a powerhouse team from Russia. Compared to Canada this year- well, it would be a major upset if Russia beat them.

(P.S. The 82's were great too- Frolov, Zainullin, Yakubov, Vorobiev, Svitov et al.

Actually, I've seen 18 of these guys live- from four to ten times each. I'm heavily involved ininternational hockey and I've been to Russia 4 times.
Now, the players on the roster are decent players but ....look at the DF. No one drafted in the 1st round, 1 late in the second. They are OK players- Emelin, Vorobiev, Belov, Megalinsky- but they were only 'good', not great, at the u-18s earlier this year in Slovakia. And in the 4or5 nations tournaments I've seen them in since- there is nobody in goal or on DF who is, or who copuld really be, considered a blue-chipper at all. Forwards too- after the big two, well, Yunkov, Radulov, and Voloshenko have proved their worth somewhat but are still only 18. Parshin is flashy but only 18.

Compared to the '83 squad (yes, I mean that immortal '83 team, not the WJC entry in 2003) this squad is, on paper, oneof the least worrisome Russian teams I've ever seen. You seem to confirm this at the end of your post-and NHL scouts confirm it too.

Still, I'm not saying they can't win. Upsets do happen- but this is hardly in anysense a powerhouse team from Russia. Compared to Canada this year- well, it would be a major upset if Russia beat them.

(P.S. The 82's were great too- Frolov, Zainullin, Yakubov, Vorobiev, Svitov et al.

What was so great about the 83s and their 7th place finish? Games arn't played on paper.

:lol: Vice versa! No, you're not a homer and you're not biased!

I wanna :lol and :cry: at the same time, but I think I'll just keep :lol :lol !

Nhl scouts seem to think so (check not only recent drafts and rankings but also updates etc.Moreover, I do talk with a lot of int'l hockey personnel). The fact is that Canada is really stacked at FW (and DF) this year. Yeah, I'm Canadian but, sorry, that's not bias. That Canada's 85's in particular are outstanding is pretty much an accepted fact. That Russia's '85s and '86s are not so great is also pretty much widely accepted.

Things change though- Russia had better fws (and maybe df) than Canada in the '82 and '83 group. I'm not afraid of admitting that. Right now Canada has a bunch of great fws. That will change too.

Why assume that because I'm confirming what pretty much every knowledgeable hockey analyst says (including folks in international hockey)- that Canada is stacked this year (meaning '85 b-dates)- means that I'm biased (and that that is so so very funny)?

What was so great about the 83s and their 7th place finish? Games arn't played on paper.

Exactly!
This guy claims to be some pro scout ... but apparently he only watches the players, not the game.

What was so great about the 83s and their 7th place finish? Games arn't played on paper.

Under 18 tourneys, World u18s and so on. That team was just dominant. No other Euro tems beloned on the same ice. Saw them about 20 times. By the way, the team with mostly '83 b-dates won the WJC gold did they not (the Grigorenko, Poloushin, Chistov, Shishkanov, Artyukhin, Taratoukhin, Tyutin, Knyazev, Medvedev team)?

Under 18 tourneys, World u18s and so on. That team was just dominant. No other Euro tems beloned on the same ice. Saw them about 20 times. By the way, the team with mostly '83 b-dates won the WJC gold did they not (the Grigorenko, Poloushin, Chistov, Shishkanov, Artyukhin, Taratoukhin, Tyutin, Knyazev, Medvedev team)?

Oh never mind now I get it. I'm just getting the numbers mixed up. OK I agree with you now.

Exactly!
This guy claims to be some pro scout ... but apparently he only watches the players, not the game.

I didn't claim that- although in fact I once was. Anyway, correct me if I'm way out of my tree here-but didn't the Russians win the WJC gold when Grigorenko, Poloushin, Tyutin et al were on the team- yes or no?

Anyway, I'm trying make a point- that while Canada has the top players this year, Russia had the power in the 82 and 83 groups. I thought, as a Russian (I'm assuming) that you would agree with me on that and therefore not just assume that I'm being some mindless homer when I state Canada's strength vis-avis Russia this year.
But, strangely, you don't even seem to want to admit the skill of that 83 group (at least judging by your previous, caustic, post)- who were widely admired and feared in the hockey world at that time. I really don't understand where you are going with this argument...

I didn't claim that- although in fact I once was. Anyway, correct me if I'm way out of my tree here-but didn't the Russians win the WJC gold when Grigorenko, Poloushin, Tyutin et al were on the team- yes or no?

Anyway, I'm trying make a point- that while Canada has the top players this year, Russia had the power in the 82 and 83 groups. I thought, as a Russian (I'm assuming) that you would agree with me on that and therefore not just assume that I'm being some mindless homer when I state Canada's strength vis-avis Russia this year.
But, strangely, you don't even seem to want to admit the skill of that 83 group (at least judging by your previous, caustic, post)- who were widely admired and feared in the hockey world at that time. I really don't understand where you are going with this argument...

I know you were talking to him and not me, but for myself I'll just say that I was substracting the years incorrectly and getting the wrong team. That Russian squad was definitely one of the strongest teams ever assembled for junior competition.

But, strangely, you don't even seem to want to admit the skill of that 83 group (at least judging by your previous, caustic, post)- who were widely admired and feared in the hockey world at that time. I really don't understand where you are going with this argument...

I'm not going anywhere ... I don't even know who was in the 83 or 82 or 84 group except Frolov, Chistov and a couple of others.

All I know is that this year's team has Ovechkin, Malkin and a couple more on it, and no other country can match their firepower.

Just another point.

I know that the best players, or the most hyped players don't necessarily make the best team. But, if you look at the post that I originally responded to, it was he who actually stated that he was worried about Canada because a few lesser-lights (meaning lower draft position, less hype) snuck on to the Canadian roster.
By that token then, if the criteria for fearing or trumpeting up a team is its paper roster (and let's face it, that's largely what we are going on before the tourney begins) then Russia would/should come out as far less fearsome than Canada- as Russia has a LOT more unknown-to-most players on their roster.

I'm sure, as you said, that some of these lesser-known guys are good players- but until we actually see them, I can't undestand anyone looking at the Russian ROSTER-as the original poster was- and concluding "whew! scary!"- Ovechkin and Malkin aside.

P.S. I'm in quaint Estonia as I write this.

No man, my point is I've seen Malkin and Ovechkin and Lisin play this year in the Superleague for the 1st time (I don't live in Russia) ... and was extremely impressed with their skill compared to all the NHLers in that league.

Hehehehe, no Kostsitsyn :)

Hehehehe he isnt russian you bumbling bird brain

Well, this year Russian squad can be proud of it's attacking group. Talented, balanced, creative, there are also some good defensive-specialists. Many of these guys already proven in games against older players with big NHL experience. And that fact in my opinion gives a big advantage for Russian team.
But in general this team is weaker than 1982 or 1983. Not due only to a mediocre defence we have this year. Coaching is still a question for us though I think in that way this WJC would be better then last one. But I beleive we should rely on Khudobin perfomance very much, last year Barulin failed to do that.

I'm not going anywhere ... I don't even know who was in the 83 or 82 or 84 group except Frolov, Chistov and a couple of others.

All I know is that this year's team has Ovechkin, Malkin and a couple more on it, and no other country can match their firepower.

OK. Fine- you don't remember. But then don't make fun of my memory (regarding the '83s) which turned out to be correct.

Sure, Ovechkin and Malkin may be the two best players in the tournament. But doesn't that contradict what you wrote earlier about the "team being more than the sum of the hyped or famous players" (or similar words)?

By the way, sometimes scouting DOES mean weatching players rather than the ame itself. No harm in admitting that. It's a scout's job.

Finally- my 20 Canadia fws vs. Russia's 6. OK- Take the 13 who actually made it- add Bollland, Brule, Horton, Fehr, Stone, Picard, Bernier etc.---don't you think any of these guys match up well with Yunkov, Voloshenko, Lisin (from Russia's top 6) and AHEAD OF Russia's 3rd or 4th lines? I do. So, apparently, do NHL scouts. So too would the results of the summer U18 tourney in '03 seem to indicate. So too would the WJC ranking and performance by Canada last year (compared to Russia)- and with 9 forwards returning.

Nhl scouts seem to think so (check not only recent drafts and rankings but also updates etc.Moreover, I do talk with a lot of int'l hockey personnel). The fact is that Canada is really stacked at FW (and DF) this year. Yeah, I'm Canadian but, sorry, that's not bias. That Canada's 85's in particular are outstanding is pretty much an accepted fact. That Russia's '85s and '86s are not so great is also pretty much widely accepted.

Things change though- Russia had better fws (and maybe df) than Canada in the '82 and '83 group. I'm not afraid of admitting that. Right now Canada has a bunch of great fws. That will change too.

Why assume that because I'm confirming what pretty much every knowledgeable hockey analyst says (including folks in international hockey)- that Canada is stacked this year (meaning '85 b-dates)- means that I'm biased (and that that is so so very funny)?

OK, if you are more or less involved in international hockey and if you have been to Russia 4 times and saw those players playing I will accept the fact that you have you're own opinion based on what you saw and I will change the tone of my previous post. Example: I wouldn't have any problems with your statement that Bulgarian team is better and more talented than Czech team if you have been to Bulgaria and saw their players. I would disagree with that but still, I would eccept it as your opinion. And later on, we would discuss Bulgarian and Czech teams.

But here, on these boards, are tons of biased, cocky Canadians that make such posts based on apsolutely nothing with intention to provoke! You and your post seemed to be nothing different.

I disagree that Russia beating Canada would be a major upset. There are no major upsts among big 6.

Hehehehe he isnt russian you bumbling bird brain

Potty mouth. Anyways, how many points does Kost have with Hamilton? I heard he is really stinking it up in the AHL... that's too bad because I thought he'd be real great!

Potty mouth. Anyways, how many points does Kost have with Hamilton? I heard he is really stinking it up in the AHL... that's too bad because I thought he'd be real great!

You fight like a girl

That's an explosive roster. Radulov, Ovechkin, Malkin, Voloshenko? Wow.

Steblick is right. Canada has a hell of a team this year.. Yes, Russia's got Ovechkin, Malkin and a bunch of other puck wizards, but having Ovechkin on the team does not guarantee gold.

This isn't basketball, one or two players can't carry the team on their shoulders unless your name is Hasek and you don't have groin problems.

I'm just a poor college student in Canada, I can't afford to buy satellites to watch the Russian hockey games, but from what I've read, it seems that Russia has been able to put together a group of extremely talented forwards, and it seems that most, if not all of these guys are also responsible defensively and a lot of them also have good speed going for them.

On the dark side though, it also seems that some of these super talented guys have a tough challenge ahead of them as they will have to battle their size issues. While I don't see that as much of a problem against the European teams that will hopefully concentrate on the technical side of hockey rather than physical, the US and Canadian teams will surely be looking to punish everything that moves, and that could prove to be a big advantage for Canada.

And don't forget, Canada too has some excellent excellent forwards, Perry, Crosby, Carter, Richards, Getzlaf, Bergeron, Dawes and Stewart. Heck, I think I just named all of Canada's offensive corps, and all these guys are just as dangerous as the Russians, and most of these guys are also big physical players.

While I live here in Toronto, I was still born and raised in Russia, and will cheer for Russia forever no matter how much bullsh!t they throw at me, so I obviously want Russia to win here, but you just cannot underestimate Canada and it's chances of going gold no matter how many Ovechkins you have.

2001-2002 team may have been the best:

Volchenkov
Grebeshkov
Knyzev
Tyutin
Grigorenko
Suglobov
Svitov
Chistov
Perezhogin
Frolov
Polushin
Trubachev

When you look at those players from the roster they were downright scary....even without Kovalchuk.

I can't believe Khomutov didn't make it!

Potty mouth. Anyways, how many points does Kost have with Hamilton? I heard he is really stinking it up in the AHL... that's too bad because I thought he'd be real great!He's 19 playing in the AHL where the league this year is better than usual with the lockout. He has only one person to speak to on the team. He doesn't receive a lot of ice time. He's playing on an inexperienced team that hasn't played well all season. There are a lot of reasons he's not doing well, what can you expect from him this early? Perezhogin didn't take off last year in the same situation until the halfway mark.

I can't believe Khomutov didn't make it!
lol, I hope Team Russia hasn't watched him the last games....he has been horrible.

2001-2002 team may have been the best:

Volchenkov
Grebeshkov
Knyzev
Tyutin
Grigorenko
Suglobov
Svitov
Chistov
Perezhogin
Frolov
Polushin
Trubachev

When you look at those players from the roster they were downright scary....even without Kovalchuk.

Yeah the problem is that when the Russians play at home, they want to show off, and end up losing everything. Like in 2000.

Actually, I've seen 18 of these guys live- from four to ten timeseach. I'm heavily involved ininternational hockey and I've been to Russia 4 times.
I am sorry. It's my bad. I assume usual thing. It's interesting to know opinion from man who has seen both teams' players this year. Thanks for clarifications

Actually, I've seen 18 of these guys live- from four to ten times each. I'm heavily involved ininternational hockey and I've been to Russia 4 times.
Now, the players on the roster are decent players but ....look at the DF. No one drafted in the 1st round, 1 late in the second. They are OK players- Emelin, Vorobiev, Belov, Megalinsky- but they were only 'good', not great, at the u-18s earlier this year in Slovakia. And in the 4or5 nations tournaments I've seen them in since- there is nobody in goal or on DF who is, or who copuld really be, considered a blue-chipper at all. Forwards too- after the big two, well, Yunkov, Radulov, and Voloshenko have proved their worth somewhat but are still only 18. Parshin is flashy but only 18.

Compared to the '83 squad (yes, I mean that immortal '83 team, not the WJC entry in 2003) this squad is, on paper, oneof the least worrisome Russian teams I've ever seen. You seem to confirm this at the end of your post-and NHL scouts confirm it too.

Still, I'm not saying they can't win. Upsets do happen- but this is hardly in anysense a powerhouse team from Russia. Compared to Canada this year- well, it would be a major upset if Russia beat them.

(P.S. The 82's were great too- Frolov, Zainullin, Yakubov, Vorobiev, Svitov et al.
Any reason why Khomutov was left off the roster? I want to know if it came from NJ's side or Russia's.

With this roster, Russia > Canada

It's so obvious!

steblick, who do you scout for? what's your opinion of Vorobiev and Semenov (the Lada defenseman)?

With this roster, Russia > Canada

It's so obvious!
Its obvious that you truely don't know squat about the North American prospects. Canada's forwards can match the fire power with Russia and our defense is leagues upon leagues better then the russians. The only thing I feel Russia may have over Canada is more game breakers which can go a long way.

Its obvious that you truely don't know squat about the North American prospects. Canada's forwards can match the fire power with Russia and our defense is leagues upon leagues better then the russians. The only thing I feel Russia may have over Canada is more game breakers which can go a long way.

Another ultrabiased Canadian. Wake up man, with your best of the best players your country has failed to win this tourney since ... errr ... 1997 :lol:

Another ultrabiased Canadian. Wake up man, with your best of the best players your country has failed to win this tourney since ... errr ... 1997 :lol:
You don't know enough about the game to say I am biased. I follow all prospects and will tell you Russia is one dimentional. Czechs may have a better allround game then the Russias and I feel the Czechs are being overlooked in this tourney.

Vpered!!!!

Suggestion: try to contribute something to this thread, rather than attempting to turn it into a major pissing contest...

How can you compare If, I assume, you have seen only Ovechkin from this roster. I haven't seen anyone from team Canada and I don't compare but what's your point based on? Stats, HF hype, "Times you've heard about this guy of HF" or something else? Where do find this numbers? 6, 20?
How many players you've seen to make this compare? I don't mean single clips - I mean full games.
And what does it mean "How many sure NHL guys on DF?" Better player were selected, not better prospects. Look at Lyamin other guys are better this year but , in case of his select, with all this hype around him, you or someone else would say that we have one guy at D with good future on NHL. His teammate Belov is better. The same story is about Glazachev. Young Galimov is better that Glazachev. He is one the reasons Glazachev was loaned. Glazachev has hype around him, but Galimov hasn't and does it mean that Galimov bad player?

Well our roster don't impress me much too after Ovehckin and Malkin but I understand that we can not select whole team where every player has the same level as Ovehckin and Malkin. It's normal.

FYI, U-20 team with Kovalchuk had sucked a lot at WJC 2001 and even wasn't in Top-4. U-20 WJC 2003 team was one of the better WJC teams I've ever seen. This team is a bit weaker but a lot better than WJC 2004 team.

Kaiser, what kind of a player is Nikulin? How good is he? Why didn't Igor Mirnov make this team, is he too old?

Kaiser, what kind of a player is Nikulin? How good is he? Why didn't Igor Mirnov make this team, is he too old?
I think Mirnov is an 84

Is there a website where I can get all the rosters from the upcoming and all past World junior championships?

Is there a website where I can get all the rosters from the upcoming and all past World junior championships?

You can get canada's from 1974-2005 here:
http://www.hockeycanada.ca/e/teams/mens/junior/index.html

Where's Perveryshin?

steblick, who do you scout for? what's your opinion of Vorobiev and Semenov (the Lada defenseman)?

As I said earlier, I'm not a scout- although I have been. There are a few NHL, international, and other scouts on HF boards- I know their identities and I've met most of them- but please understand that one of the conditions of using this board (according to those who pay my travel, hotel and other expenses- i.e., it's not a full-time job) is not to give out roles, associations or identities. And also to keep certain things, including SOME comments on SOME players, quiet.

I didn't want to bring up my "role" but earlier someone mistakenly assumed that I hadn't seen Russian WJC players at all, when in fact I've seen them more than most Canadian junior players.

With this roster, Russia > Canada

It's so obvious!

I'd say only Ovechkin, Malkin and maybe Radulov would make Canada's team.

Ovechkin and Malkin would make any team, but I don't think Radulov would make team Canada..

PQ... or should I say MOGiLNY... :D what are your thoughts on Yunkov? Do you see him making an impact in this tourney? Where do you think he'll play? 2nd, 3rd, or 4th line?

Thanks in advance. :)

That Russia's '85s and '86s are not so great is also pretty much widely accepted.



Well since Russian 86 recently won U18 we can assume that Russia has the best 86 group of players in the world ;)

Canadian players of 85 are beatable and even by the Russian 85 group and it was shown at the U18 2003. Team Canada won that tourney but were not so mind booming. Russia had a better record there and beat Canada 6-3 with less impressive roster than this one, with several 5'6-5'8 players on the roster. Speed, tempo, creativeness - this is what can beat this team Canada. Russians are more improvisators than Canadians, Canada = Mike Tyson, Russia = Mohammed Ali ;))

You don't know enough about the game to say I am biased. I follow all prospects and will tell you Russia is one dimentional. Czechs may have a better allround game then the Russias and I feel the Czechs are being overlooked in this tourney.

Russia 12 golds, Canada 10 golds. Not bad for one-dimensional Russia.

Ovechkin and Malkin would make any team, but I don't think Radulov would make team Canada..

Radulov is a dominant prospect right now - top 20 in the world. Did you see him against the QMJHL?

As I said earlier, I'm not a scout- although I have been. There are a few NHL, international, and other scouts on HF boards- I know their identities and I've met most of them- but please understand that one of the conditions of using this board (according to those who pay my travel, hotel and other expenses- i.e., it's not a full-time job) is not to give out roles, associations or identities. And also to keep certain things, including SOME comments on SOME players, quiet.

I didn't want to bring up my "role" but earlier someone mistakenly assumed that I hadn't seen Russian WJC players at all, when in fact I've seen them more than most Canadian junior players.

steblik,

how can I drop you a line?

Russia 12 golds, Canada 10 golds. Not bad for one-dimensional Russia.
Not in general...this years team....sheeesh

Not in general...this years team....sheeesh

It's way better than the 2002 gold medal-winning team and their blueline in size and experience compares to the 2003 team.

It's way better than the 2002 gold medal-winning team and their blueline in size and experience compares to the 2003 team.
Noway it compares with the 2003 blueline. That blueline had Grebeshkov, Tyutin, Koltsov and Korneev. That was one of the strongest bluelines you ever asembled.

Noway it compares with the 2003 blueline. That blueline had Grebeshkov, Tyutin, Koltsov and Korneev. That was one of the strongest bluelines you ever asembled.

Well, it's easy to dismiss things without explaining yourself. Why do you think Lyamin and Pervyshin didn't make this team? Because it's stacked and they were not physical enough.

This blueline does not have the elite talent of the 2003 blueline but it has size and it has grit (which is the subject at hand btw).

Megalinsky - big, good skater, physical
Rylov - superleague revelation, physical
Vorobiev - big, mean monster
Panin - Vorobiev's usual partner, smart, crafty, uses his size
Misharin - bulky guy who gets his frame involved
Ezhov - prime puckhandler, not soft
Emelin - will be a beast. much like Korsunov in the 2003 lineup

Forwards are very sturdy, especially Ovechkin and Malkin who are both physical.

So... you're wrong.

Well, it's easy to dismiss things without explaining yourself. Why do you think Lyamin and Pervyshin didn't make this team? Because it's stacked and they were not physical enough.

This blueline does not have the elite talent of the 2003 blueline but it has size and it has grit (which is the subject at hand btw).

Megalinsky - big, good skater, physical
Rylov - superleague revelation, physical
Vorobiev - big, mean monster
Panin - Vorobiev's usual partner, smart, crafty, uses his size
Misharin - bulky guy who gets his frame involved
Ezhov - prime puckhandler, not soft
Emelin - will be a beast. much like Korsunov in the 2003 lineup

Forwards are very sturdy, especially Ovechkin and Malkin who are both physical.

So... you're wrong.
How am I wrong....3 of the defensmen from the 2003 defense will play in the NHL next season and probably become stars in the NHL. I have my doubts any of these defensmen will make it big in the NHL.

It's way better than the 2002 gold medal-winning team and their blueline in size and experience compares to the 2003 team.

2002 had a lot of big names (a lot of them returned in 2003). Even 2002 and 2003 rosters were pretty close on paper (some may argue that 2002 on paper was better than 2003), 2003 team had a better chemistry, discipline and displayed better performance. 2005 roster looks weaker for me than 2002, 2003 but stronger than 2004.

How am I wrong....3 of the defensmen from the 2003 defense will play in the NHL next season and probably become stars in the NHL. I have my doubts any of these defensmen will make it big in the NHL.

What exactly is your argument? You're splitting hairs. I can waste my time with you here arguing whether these guys are good enough to make the NHL (which they are) but that would be digressing from the topic that you brought up - the one-dimensionality of team Russia. I proved that you are wrong and now you are changing the topic to that of potential.

Hypothetically, even if they are not good enough, neither were Christian Dube and Jason Botterill and we all know how they did at the WJC's.

So... you're wrong.

What exactly is your argument? You're splitting hairs. I can waste my time with you here arguing whether these guys are good enough to make the NHL (which they are) but that would be digressing from the topic that you brought up - the one-dimensionality of team Russia. I proved that you are wrong and now you are changing the topic to that of potential.

Hypothetically, even if they are not good enough, neither were Christian Dube and Jason Botterill and we all know how they did at the WJC's.

So... you're wrong.
I'm not wrong.....which of your forwards have a physical/two way game compared to a team like Czech Republic, Canada and USA. Ovechkin and Malkin. The rest are offensive forwards.

2002 had a lot of big names (a lot of them returned in 2003). Even 2002 and 2003 rosters were pretty close on paper (some may argue that 2002 on paper was better than 2003), 2003 team had a better chemistry, discipline and displayed better performance. 2005 roster looks weaker for me than 2002, 2003 but stronger than 2004.

Big names mean nothing. 2002 had good prospects in it but most of them were too young - like Tyutin and Korsunov to dominate. In 2003 they jelled because they were older and played in the Superleague longer.

Vitaly Anikeenko is a big name. You don't see him on this roster? Why? Because rosters are not built on hype - they are built on players that are better suited at the particular time.

Big names mean nothing. 2002 had good prospects in it but most of them were too young - like Tyutin and Korsunov to dominate. In 2003 they jelled because they were older and played in the Superleague longer.

Vitaly Anikeenko is a big name. You don't see him on this roster? Why? Because rosters are not built on hype - they are built on players that are better suited at the particular time.
Or because he is having a horrible year going from top 5 in the draft to outside the 1st round. I guess you allready knew that. Or the fact that Lyamin didn't make the team because he played like trash in the remax series. I guess you knew that also because you are the know all end all of russian hockey.

I'm not wrong.....which of your forwards have a physical/two way game compared to a team like Czech Republic, Canada and USA. Ovechkin and Malkin. The rest are offensive forwards.

You're digressing again. No one is arguing that Russia will be a physical brickhouse like Canada. Russia will remain an offensively-minded team with a predominantly finesse style. It's been so in the past and it's worked for them.

Where you are wrong is dismissing them as one-dimensional which shows a lack of research on your part. The 2003 team was finesse but it was strong and it was physical when it had to be.

Or because he is having a horrible year going from top 5 in the draft to outside the 1st round. I guess you allready knew that. Or the fact that Lyamin didn't make the team because he played like trash in the remax series. I guess you knew that also because you are the know all end all of russian hockey.

He didn't play like trash - he just wasn't good enough. Anikeenko is actually quite decent - but he's young and he's struggling. Which was my point.

I'm just here to clear up the fallacies that are prevalent on boards like these. They are deadening intelligent hockey discussion. Start thinking - stop copying and pasting popular homerist opinion.

You're digressing again. No one is arguing that Russia will be a physical brickhouse like Canada. Russia will remain an offensively-minded team with a predominantly finesse style. It's been so in the past and it's worked for them.

Where you are wrong is dismissing them as one-dimensional which shows a lack of research on your part. The 2003 team was finesse but it was strong and it was physical when it had to be.
No, my researchis right. Go through the roster and tell me which forwards show an attemp at defense and physical play. You won't find many. You are wrong because you have no clue what one dimentional means.

He didn't play like trash - he just wasn't good enough. Anikeenko is actually quite decent - but he's young and he's struggling. Which was my point.

I'm just here to clear up the fallacies that are prevalent on boards like these. They are deadening intelligent hockey discussion. Start thinking - stop copying and pasting popular homerist opinion.
No he wasn't....I seen every game and Lyamin was hardly the force that many thought he would be considering he was such a high pick. Anyone will agree with me there who doesn't wear rose colored glasses.

He didn't play like trash - he just wasn't good enough. Anikeenko is actually quite decent - but he's young and he's struggling. Which was my point.

I'm just here to clear up the fallacies that are prevalent on boards like these. They are deadening intelligent hockey discussion. Start thinking - stop copying and pasting popular homerist opinion.
Only if you stop being a homer will I do so. Even other respected russian fans will tell you this team is not as strong as 2002 or 2003.

No, my researchis right. Go through the roster and tell me which forwards show an attemp at defense and physical play. You won't find many. You are wrong because you have no clue what one dimentional means.

Nikulin - this guy will be a checker. He plays the middle, wins faceoffs, gets involved. This is why the Senators drafted him. He's tough.
Pestunov - pure two-way centerman. he's a team vet and is experienced. not like nikulin and shafigulin - he's not in-your-face.
Shafigulin - he should be the most physical player on the team. if he's not he's failed.
Salnikov/Galimov - also checkers. made the team because they use their size. Are you sure you know enough about them to comment?

This is not including Malkin and OVechkin. VOloshenko and Yunkov are quite sturdy too. Shirokov - not very much but he's strong. Lisin has gotten stronger. Parshin is a strong little guy who gets involved and fights for the puck.

And lighten up - I'm not mad at you for being wrong. We all do it sometimes.

Only if you stop being a homer will I do so. Even other respected russian fans will tell you this team is not as strong as 2002 or 2003.

Do you know what 'begging the question' means? Well, it applies to what you've said above.

The 2002 team was lucky to win gold.

Nikulin - this guy will be a checker. He plays the middle, wins faceoffs, gets involved. This is why the Senators drafted him. He's tough.
Pestunov - pure two-way centerman. he's a team vet and is experienced. not like nikulin and shafigulin - he's not in-your-face.
Shafigulin - he should be the most physical player on the team. if he's not he's failed.
Salnikov/Galimov - also checkers. made the team because they use their size. Are you sure you know enough about them to comment?

This is not including Malkin and OVechkin. VOloshenko and Yunkov are quite sturdy too. Shirokov - not very much but he's strong. Lisin has gotten stronger. Parshin is a strong little guy who gets involved and fights for the puck.

And lighten up - I'm not mad at you for being wrong. We all do it sometimes.
Their physical within their own age class in russia. That doesn't make them physical. A player like Khomutov is physical and defensive aware in the CHL but in the AHL he is a liability.

Their physical within their own age class in russia. That doesn't make them physical. A player like Khomutov is physical and defensive aware in the CHL but in the AHL he is a liability.

I need to buy you a good cup of Russian tea so we could sit down and you could absorb this better. You won't believe how that stuff clears up the mind.

Bring on the World Juniors!!!... and hopefully intelligent discussion from now on.

steblik,

how can I drop you a line?

steblik, E-mail me: thestranger36@hotmail.com

Thanks - just wanted to introduce myself but can't do it here.

Well since Russian 86 recently won U18 we can assume that Russia has the best 86 group of players in the world ;)

Canadian players of 85 are beatable and even by the Russian 85 group and it was shown at the U18 2003. Team Canada won that tourney but were not so mind booming. Russia had a better record there and beat Canada 6-3 with less impressive roster than this one, with several 5'6-5'8 players on the roster. Speed, tempo, creativeness - this is what can beat this team Canada. Russians are more improvisators than Canadians, Canada = Mike Tyson, Russia = Mohammed Ali ;))

That Canada team was made up of CHL players whose teams hadn't made the CHL playoffs. It was a third-level team. If you look at the roster, very few of the best '85 b-dates were there for Canada.

Also, I don't think speed and tempo are the hallmarks of Russian hockey (vis-a-vis Canada's alleged grinding) anymore. The current Canadian top juniors can certainly skate and keep the tempo or be as creative as anyone, if not more with this group. On the other hand, I'd also admit that Russians can give or take body checks better than they used to.

The stereotypes are long gone.

By the way, to the gentleman who wished to drop me a line- I'd prefer not list an e-mail address here. What do you have in mind?

steblik, E-mail me: thestranger36@hotmail.com

Thanks - just wanted to introduce myself but can't do it here.
Why dont you just go to this site:

http://www.lavalife.com/

Why dont you just go to this site:

http://www.lavalife.com/

:handclap: ruthless Sammy as always.

That Canada team was made up of CHL players whose teams hadn't made the CHL playoffs. It was a third-level team. If you look at the roster, very few of the best '85 b-dates were there for Canada.

Also, I don't think speed and tempo are the hallmarks of Russian hockey (vis-a-vis Canada's alleged grinding) anymore. The current Canadian top juniors can certainly skate and keep the tempo or be as creative as anyone, if not more with this group. On the other hand, I'd also admit that Russians can give or take body checks better than they used to.

The stereotypes are long gone.

By the way, to the gentleman who wished to drop me a line- I'd prefer not list an e-mail address here. What do you have in mind?

Speed is still a Russian hallmark (or maybe part of style is better worded) but certainly not tempo - you're right. Hell, Russia had no tempo at the Canada Cup nor at Salt Lake.

The stereotypes are mostly gone but apparently not entirely... eh?

Listed my e-mail above. It's hockey-related. Thanks.

Big names mean nothing. 2002 had good prospects in it but most of them were too young - like Tyutin and Korsunov to dominate. In 2003 they jelled because they were older and played in the Superleague longer.

Vitaly Anikeenko is a big name. You don't see him on this roster? Why? Because rosters are not built on hype - they are built on players that are better suited at the particular time.

Well this team has also a lot of "too young" players.

Well this team has also a lot of "too young" players.

Not true.

http://www.iihf.com/Hydra/Tournaments_05/output/w20/hydra.iihf.com/data/iihf/output/xml/1000000020/IHM10000000200RUS_33_4_0.html

No a single draft-eligible (aside from older undrafted guys like Belov, Megalinsky).

That Canada team was made up of CHL players whose teams hadn't made the CHL playoffs. It was a third-level team. If you look at the roster, very few of the best '85 b-dates were there for Canada.


3rd level team?

MUNCE Ryan
BEAUCHEMIN Rejean

COBURN Braydon
BISSONNETTE Paul
BELLE Shawn
CHAPMAN Brennan
SEABROOK Brent
GREEN Mike
COULOMBE Patrick

PLATT Geoff
ROUSSIN Dan
BOLDUC Alexandre
STEWART Anthony
DIXON Stephen
GETZLAF Ryan
BERNIER Steve
CARTER Jeff
POULIOT Marc-Antoine
COLLITON Jeremy
CROMBEEN B.J.
TARDIF Jamie
CARCILLO Daniel

http://www.iihf.com/hockey/x/0203/W18/0203/scripts/rosters/pg000042.htm

Not true.

http://www.iihf.com/Hydra/Tournaments_05/output/w20/hydra.iihf.com/data/iihf/output/xml/1000000020/IHM10000000200RUS_33_4_0.html

No a single draft-eligible (aside from older undrafted guys like Belov, Megalinsky).

Who cares about being "draft-eligible", the young is young. You brought up a few young names from 2002. 2004 has plently of 18 years olds.

Who cares about being "draft-eligible", the young is young. You brought up a few young names from 2002. 2004 has plently of 18 years olds.

No team at the tournament consists of only 19 year olds. I don't follow.

3rd level team?

MUNCE Ryan
BEAUCHEMIN Rejean

COBURN Braydon
BISSONNETTE Paul
BELLE Shawn
CHAPMAN Brennan
SEABROOK Brent
GREEN Mike
COULOMBE Patrick

PLATT Geoff
ROUSSIN Dan
BOLDUC Alexandre
STEWART Anthony
DIXON Stephen
GETZLAF Ryan
BERNIER Steve
CARTER Jeff
POULIOT Marc-Antoine
COLLITON Jeremy
CROMBEEN B.J.
TARDIF Jamie
CARCILLO Daniel

http://www.iihf.com/hockey/x/0203/W18/0203/scripts/rosters/pg000042.htm

Fair enough. Better roster than I remembered. The Russians beat a strong Canadian team there. Nonetheless- generally speaking- Canada has the strongest '85 group. One loss here or there really doesn't change that (they won that tournament's gold medal, right?). Russia is always strong and is probably a bit better than Canada for '86. So far, for '87s I'd go with Canada but the U.S. isn't far behind. Don't know Russia's 87's too well yet.

I need to buy you a good cup of Russian tea so we could sit down and you could absorb this better. You won't believe how that stuff clears up the mind.

Bring on the World Juniors!!!... and hopefully intelligent discussion from now on.
I don't need to absorb any of this information any differently from what I have been doing. My original remark was that the russian team was one dimentional and I stand by those comments. Compared to other top level teams like USA, Canada and Czech Republic I feel Russia doesn't have the defensive awareness nor the strength away from the puck that these teams have. Their main force is offense, I am not saying they aren't strong at times. Strength on the puck and strength away from the puck are totally different things.

The remark you made about this team's defense being stronger then the 2003 defense core is still getting to me. I don't know what you mean by stronger. If you mean better allround then Im sorry by you are way off the ball. If by stronger you mean bigger and more physical. You may be correct by that isn't allways good. A team like USA who has great overall speed may have their way with a team like this. Even a team like Sweden who are known for a great transition game may have their way with this defense.

Canada has the strongest '85 group.

I am not argueing about that. I am only pointing that they are beatable and shouldn't wear the gold medals on their necks beforehand.

Fair enough. Better roster than I remembered. The Russians beat a strong Canadian team there. Nonetheless- generally speaking- Canada has the strongest '85 group. One loss here or there really doesn't change that (they won that tournament's gold medal, right?). Russia is always strong and is probably a bit better than Canada for '86. So far, for '87s I'd go with Canada but the U.S. isn't far behind. Don't know Russia's 87's too well yet.
I feel Canada is leaps and bounds ahead of compititon for 87. Sure USA has Fritsche, Kessel and Johnsson but Canada has the likes of Crosby, Brule, Bertram, Bourret, O'Marra ect. Russia is extremely weak with their 87 crew. You would probably know better then me but I think I heard that Russia may not have anyone in the first round during that draft year.

The remark you made about this team's defense being stronger then the 2003 defense core is still getting to me.

You're tough to talk to because you don't read. Re-read my posts and we can chat some more.

I don't think I was rude - not the intended impression. This is a happy time - World Juniors man! Celebrate! I've got my booze here.

It's way better than the 2002 gold medal-winning team and their blueline in size and experience compares to the 2003 team.
Got ya, I agree there. They are big and they are made up mainly of 85's. I don't think that gives them a distinct advantage though. I guess they figure they clear the net and allow Khudobin to make the first and only save. I think thier downfall is when they play vs a fast team, I feel that blueline will get burned.

I am also not angry at you, just friendly debate.

I think Radulov would make Team Canada, players like Alexander are welcome addition to any team. If he makes team Canada he barely makes it.

I feel Russia doesn't have the defensive awareness nor the strength away from the puck that these teams have. Their main force is offense, I am not saying they aren't strong at times.


Every Russian line has a good defensive specialist.

Got ya, I agree there. They are big and they are made up mainly of 85's. I don't think that gives them a distinct advantage though. I guess they figure they clear the net and allow Khudobin to amek the first and only save. I think thier downfall is when they play vs a fast team, I feel that blueline will get burned.

I am also not angry at you, just friendly debate.

Arguing distinct advantages is a matter of opinion. I do like this blueline - if it does't play well I will blame the coaches.

btw, Khudobin makes a great second effort every time. He should be better than Barulin.

Arguing distinct advantages is a matter of opinion. I do like this blueline - if it does't play well I will blame the coaches.

btw, Khudobin makes a great second effort every time. He should be better than Barulin.
I agree. I wasn't solid on Barulin at all but then again he didn't have much help on the blueline last year. That may have been their worst defense in a long time.

I just think a team like USA matches up perfect against Russia. USA has a fast puck moving defense and loads of speed to boot up front. Russia won't be able to overpower then downlow.

I think the Russians may not have as many complete two-way guys as Canada but that doesn't mean they are one-dimensional by any means. In fact, when I've seen Russia league games I find them to be a little TOO defensive-minded. Also, the reason a player like Gamilov was selected over a "sexy" player like Glazachev is precisely because he's a better two-way guy (and hence less well-known in N. America- cuz we gushover the flashy Russian guys and assume that no other type exists.

I think it's based on a sterotype similar to the one echoed earlier- that Canadian players are inferior skaters or can't handle tempo. Boy, has THAT changed (kind of like the post WW2 norion that Japan produced only crappy products).

Both hockey stereotypes are at least 10-20 years out of date.

I think the Russians may not have as many complete two-way guys as Canada but that doesn't mean they are one-dimensional by any means. In fact, when I've seen Russia league games I find them to be a little TOO defensive-minded. Also, the reason a player like Gamilov was selected over a "sexy" player like Glazachev is precisely because he's a better two-way guy (and hence less well-known in N. America- cuz we gushover the flashy Russian guys and assume that no other type exists.

I think it's based on a sterotype similar to the one echoed earlier- that Canadian players are inferior skaters or can't handle tempo. Boy, has THAT changed (kind of like the post WW2 norion that Japan produced only crappy products).

Both hockey stereotypes are at least 10-20 years out of date.
No, its based on their roster this year. I won't comment anymore untill I see them play in the tournament.

Their physical within their own age class in russia. That doesn't make them physical. A player like Khomutov is physical and defensive aware in the CHL but in the AHL he is a liability.

Don't most of the russian WJC team members play in the Superleague, which has many NHL regulars this year? Either way, it is *not* their age group for sure. In a way, you are making a point against yourself with Khomutov, since Superleague is considered the best league outside NHL (which would place it above AHL level btw).

My prediction-

1. Canada
2. Russia
3. USA

I like this Russian Team ,but the presence of such stars as Oveckin, Malkin doesn't mean guaranteed gold yet , because hockey is a command game, not individual.
Russian team definitely looks better than it did last year, but I 'm not sure, whether it's enough to beat the Canadians, because Canada has the strongest and the most powerful team since 1997 .

I feel Canada is leaps and bounds ahead of compititon for 87. Sure USA has Fritsche, Kessel and Johnsson but Canada has the likes of Crosby, Brule, Bertram, Bourret, O'Marra ect. Russia is extremely weak with their 87 crew. You would probably know better then me but I think I heard that Russia may not have anyone in the first round during that draft year.


I like how you name 3 players from the US that you know, then go on to name all these stars in the CHL (btw, you can have O'Marra :lol) and say "Well, they're leaps and bounds ahead, see! Look at all these great CHL'ers I named." You don't know any American players because you don't pay attention to anything else but the CHL and it makes you look stupid. Watch some college and european hockey then you can start running your mouth.

So I know he was supposed to join his team over here, but has Radulov been cut? The USA site (though using the old rosters) doesn't have him listed (here (http://www.usahockey.com/2005wjc/russia/main/rus//) ) and the hockey canada roster for russia (as of Dec. 21st) doesn't have him listed either, though they do list 3 goalies. The pdf is here
http://www.hockeycanada.ca/e/teams/mens/junior/2005/rosters/rus.pdf
So what gives :dunno:

So I know he was supposed to join his team over here, but has Radulov been cut? The USA site (though using the old rosters) doesn't have him listed (here (http://www.usahockey.com/2005wjc/russia/main/rus//) ) and the hockey canada roster for russia (as of Dec. 21st) doesn't have him listed either, though they do list 3 goalies. The pdf is here
http://www.hockeycanada.ca/e/teams/mens/junior/2005/rosters/rus.pdf
So what gives :dunno:

Hes on the team. Played yesterday against Sweden as 13th forward(?)